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Nice game, we’re now so steady that i could turn it off at the end of the 3rd quarter knowing we were going to win. ☺️
And now, checking the box score, i’m seeing that it was the Precious revenge game. 😀 So used to that happening to us, i didn’t even thought about it as a possibility. 😛
I’d rest iHart on Tuesday no matter what. If we can’t beat the Nets with a Precious/Sims combo at the 5… Plus, I’d love to see our poor man’s Joker be at reasonable strength when he has to go up against the real deal.
RJ had a nice line, but watching him i really didn’t miss him. Doesn’t look like a difference maker to me. Not like OG can be on the defensive end. I’m still happy about the trade, although i was a little sad to see Quick in another uniform. 😢
3 more turnovers and Randle would’ve had a quadruple-double… which is kind of a thing (as Brian would put it! LOL).
Yeah, we need to protect iHart, but will Thibs do it? I don’t think so.
9-2 since the trade. 50 wins is becoming more of a possibility. Half a game out of the 4th seed.
It’s pretty annoying that we keep winning, but Cleveland is also on a 7 game win streak and Philly on a 5 game streak.
Went to see what’s going on in Cleveland. Man they got an even nicer schedule than us in January. Washington 2x, San Antonio, Brooklyn, Chicago, Milwaukee without Giannis, Atlanta. That is a nice run of cupcakes to pad the wins til they get healthy.
They are crushing these teams, though. MoV during streak is 20.4 pts.
Guess they’re not going away.
Hubs that’s fine. We’ll just have to smack them up in the first round again!
It’s funny to read Bruce Brown’s quotes after the game. He clearly seems to be convincing the Knicks to get him.
Unless we believe that Bruce Brown can really play PG — which he has admittedly done for a bit in other stops — I’m not sure he’s the move. But Begley makes it sound like that’s where our attention is focused now.
Man, I’d be bummed if we burned Grimes to acquire Bruce Brown…
I agree, Alan. Brogdon makes much more sense.
The rumors out of Utah – that they want Grimes and a first for Clarkson – are also ridiculous. Clarkson is terrible. I hope the Knicks run away.
If Grimes is being included in the talks, I’d want to get someone more significant than Brown for sure, that would just be replacing a hole in the rotation by creating another hole. I’d only include Grimes if it was a bigger move like Dejounte Murray.
Otherwise, just dangle the Fournier contract and see what can be had for it plus some seconds or one of the protected firsts.
I’d definitely prefer someone other than Brown who is only so good and isn’t necessarily a cure for what ails us in the way Brogdon seemingly is. The price would need to be very low, a couple 2nd rounders and Fournier.
Last night was a good illustration of the minor conundrum of taking the time to evaluate what we have (and hence need) versus quickly trading for capable players before overuse results in more glaring needs. The play of Precious was a complete surprise to me, while the play of Deuce makes me wonder. I would hate to take a bigger swing than we need to by giving up Grimes in order to protect JB.
It would feel like Rose is saying, “We like the trade we made for OG, but we left ourselves without a backup PG or enough scoring off the bench. So now we are going to throw all that patience out the window and make an ill advised trade to address a short term problem of our own making”.
It’s weird,
CAA got him a very good contract with Indiana (2Yrs/45M*), who took him to be the “veteran presence in the room” and then shipped him away lightning-quick.
I’m pretty sure I’m missing something, but I don’t get it at all**…
* A contract deemed an overpay in all corners of the NBA world.
** If not on the viewpoint of the CAA’s brotherhood.
But if you use Fournier in a Brown deal, you are basically trapped with this roster unless someone good gets bought out since you would no longer have any outgoing salary to trade.
Our bench is thinner than tissue paper right now, and upgrading Grimes with Brown would hardly make a difference. The irony is that Brown replacing Grimes would probably make Fournier a viable 2nd unit option, yet you can’t get Brown without including Fournier.
Speaking of Fournier, I know he missed all of his shots, but the one thing we know he can do is shoot. He easily generated some clean looks, though, in contrast to Grimes and McBride.
If the Knicks are really interested in Bruce Brown, why not see if we can pry Smart from Memphis instead? Like routing him to the Grizzlies in a deal for Smart or sending Grimes and Fournier with a pick straight up for Smart? I’m perfectly ok with riding it out until he returns the end of Feb. Then by the playoffs we can maybe start Smart next to Brunson and Mitch will be back- giving us 6 solid defenders in the rotation. I can live with that even if Smart’s not as good a shooter as DDV in that starting lineup
Wins are good and Brunson is a god.
I’m not ready to jump on the Precious’ bandwagon, not just after a game against a team that, with Poeltl out, has NOTHING under the boards (61-31 advantage Knicks), I need more evidence.
I’ll wait for our two home games against Denver and Miami (after what should be a walk in the park in Brooklyn) to have a better idea of who we really are, for now I still think we need a scorer/creator from the bench* and a backup-C if Mitch can’t come back (we can survive with Achiuwa/Sims if we’re sure Mitch will return).
* And in my opinion Brogdon, Rozier, Clarkson, not counting DJM, are all better suited for the role than Bruce Brown.
Interesting, PJ, I’ve thought about Smart as a possibility. He’s not really a creator or a shooter, but more of a PG than Brown. His contract isn’t great, but I’d at least have to kick the tires on that one…the Celts thing would be hard to get over…
But at least Smart can play starting PG if Brunson gets banged up for a few games. Brown definitely can’t. And I think that’s a critical concern…how do we keep from going on a bender if Brunson has to miss a couple of weeks? Whoever we acquire has to be a viable answer to that question.
“I’m not ready to jump on the Precious’ bandwagon, not just after a game against a team that, with Poeltl out, has NOTHING under the boards (61-31 advantage Knicks), I need more evidence.”
I have all the evidence I need to conclude that Precious is not very good.
I don’t like the idea of selling low on Grimes at all. His 2p% is down from 64 to 44 and there’s a good chance it’s noise or attributable to the offensive scheme.
If you have to do it to get Brogdon and they throw in Reap, I’ll swallow it. But the idea of selling low on him to get a player as limited as Bruce Brown offends me.
Brown has a team option for next year, so we’d still have the outgoing salary for a move in the summer.
I mean… we have the G-League assists-per-game leader just twiddling his thumbs up in Westchester… that’s right, it’s BRANDON GOODWIN.
“Brown has a team option for next year, so we’d still have the outgoing salary for a move in the summer.”
Right, but I’m talking about improving the team before the deadline, as I don’t see Brown offering much of what we truly need, which is a viable backup PG who can start in a pinch.
He’s an overpay because Indy was able to get him on a 1yr deal that gave them a lot of flexibility in the trade market. He was maybe the only player on the market that fit their defensive needs, which is a guy who can guard everyone. They moved him because Siakam is a lot better.
Fwiw, Hollinger’s system valued Bruce Brown at $17.7M
Smart is cooked.
But speaking of Smart, I’m surprised so many are down on Deuce after one bad game. I get that he’s limited, but he’s no worse than Smart at the same age, and Smart was a productive player for many years… and Deuce is already a much better 3pt shooter than Smart was. It’s not inconceivable that Deuce will become a better ball handler and an average passer.
I guess the problem is that we need a solid answer off the bench now, and Deuce is still a bit of a project. Brogdon really is a perfect fit, but he will cost at least one unprotected first, probably more.
Except he doesn’t score and he isn’t a real PG, either.
Bruce Brown solves no problem that we currently have.
I wonder what it would cost for a Tyus Jones-Marvin Bagley III package…obviously not interested in Bagley long-term unless Johnny Bryant could fix him, but he gives you at least some outgoing salary and Jones would fit the bill right now…
“Smart is cooked.”
Obviously I’d have to know more about him before taking a swing, but he’s only 29…is something chronic involved? If not, we’re talking about a 15-20 mpg backup and salary to include in a deal…and maybe there would be an asset coming back…
At 23 Smart averaged 5.8asts/36, Deuce averages 3.4asts/36.
Deuce’s entire offensive package is taking 3s and pull-up midrange jumpers. He can’t get by anyone, ever.
Maybe some Bruce Brown screens can open up his playmaking (I think Precious’s screens are terrible), but there’s been no evidence Deuce can play PG.
The iHart thing gives me bad vibes…I mean, didn’t Mitch first get diagnosed with a “sore ankle”?
The Athletic has his expected value listed as one late first.
Z-man, stop putting shit like that out into the Universe! It’s just a minor sprain!!!!
“Z-man, stop putting shit like that out into the Universe! It’s just a minor sprain!!!!”
I know, I know….but this team’s medical updates are so unreliable…and iHart is our current iron man…and Thibs is nuts….
No Brown or Burks or any stopgap old guy, please. Thibs offense sucks because everyone stands around while the one “good” player isos all the shots. So I don’t think we need a new worse “good” guy to fill that function on the 2nd unit, especially if he costs us draft capital.
IMO the bench mobs in recent years worked best when they played substantially differently than the starters: Running with Obi, passing at pace with iHart, Hart, and IQ, etc. — all good against benches of other teams.
Many here think Deuce sucks at this and will never get better, but he had a couple of good-ish games for JB. Roll with him a bit longer.
Also, can’t Devo and/or Hart run the point more. Devo, in particular, seems a quality passer who can run and certainly can get a bench offense functioning in half court rhythm. Stagger Devo and OG a bit more with the second unit. We prolly just need to scrape together 3 minutes or so to keep the Maestro and Randle under 40 most nights.
And yes, I get it — minutes may not be a problem — Iverson, yada, yada. Maybe that’s true. I’m not trying to re-litigate.
I do, however, pray for iHart’s health.
Randle’s turnovers last night were great comedy, especially the one when he tried to decapitate Precious. I mean it’s OK in a game against a bad team but if he’s going to try to be Magic against real competition it’s going to cost us.
I wonder what people asking for Clarkson (nobody in this blog, I think) actually see. His TS+ the last four years are 96, 94, 96 and 91. He is a bad defender. His assist numbers are meh other than this year. He turns over the ball quite a bit. What is there to like at all?
there’s a reason his nickname if “flamethrower”…if he’s on..he can be like vinnie the microwave off the bench….like a poor man’s lou williams…as he is not really under control like lou…but he can score better than anyone on our bench right now and doesn’t need to be assisted on (cue somebody to go get stats to disprove all of the above)…
I also think Murray would be a nice fit if he can still be a productive defender.
You can pull him out rather quickly if you need more shooting (DDV) or better defense (Deuce/Hart) and then have him lead the 2nd unit. He fits nicely next to Deuce, Jalen, or DDV, and if Jalen goes down, you’ll be ok.
Don’t we have a Grimes/1st/Fournier offer on the table? That seems reasonable. For LA to beat that, they would probably have to part with Reeves, which doesn’t seem likely.
I would be shocked if the Knicks traded for Clarkson…especially because Ainge is on the other end of the deal.
I think a lot of the rumors out there are related to strengthening bargaining position vs. the players that Leon really wants. It’s bad negotiating to let a potential trade partner know that you are only interested in their asset. I think Leon sees exactly what we are seeing…that Brogdan is a perfect fit…but he’s letting the Blazers know that if the price is too high, he’ll be comfortable in going to plan B or C. Same with the Hawks and DJM…
I think this was indicated in the trade for OG…the Knicks were simply not going to give TOR some crazy pick package, nor were they going to overpay IQ and eliminate him from being dealt until next year.
I won’t believe that they are seriously considering trading Grimes and Fournier for Brown (or even just Fournier) until I see it. I think that on the quiet there are some desperate sellers out there who can be had if Leon is patient.
What is there to like about Clarkson? Hmm.
Pointz?
Tats?
Dunks?
Utah has been on a tear and are now in 9th, I don’t think they’re sellers.
I wouldn’t give up much for him either way. Definitely not what Ainge wants.
Last year Grimes had 24 dunks, this year he has 1. That’s pretty bizzare at his age.
Clarkson provides scoring in limited bursts, which can be valuable, but it’s on low efficiency and it’s Utah we’re dealing with, so I’m very out on him.
The trade that is made has to keep in mind that we need to somehow roll Fournier’s deal for at least next year, so it can’t be an expiring contract because then we’ll just be capped out with no flexibility.
I don’t hate the Smart idea, but he’s injury prone and I fear he’s at a stage of his career where he won’t be able to provide the scoring we need. Brogdon and Rozier are still better choices for me.
Grimes seems all f’d up in the head right now. Really sad to watch. I think the trade rumors, along with Donte going off and seeing IQ and RJ getting traded has been too much for him. It isn’t helping that he has absolutely no spacing in the second unit and can’t create space for himself. But he can’t continue clanking open looks like he has been recently.
I don’t understand Brown’s fit at all. The team’s most glaring need is clear as day–someone who can create offensive advantages in the non-Brunson minutes. That’s not Bruce Brown, as talented as he is in other ways. FWIW, I have followed his career extremely closely and am a huge fan of his generally.
It’s so unclear to me I’m inclined to think something is being missed in the reporting. At a minimum, we would have to make another addition who can generate some offense in the non-Brunson minutes. Maybe in conjunction with someone like that, Brown could make some more sense.
I still can’t really fathom adding another non-center opposing teams feel comfortable helping off from 3. We could basically never play Hart and Brown together IMO, which immediately makes the rotation math hard.
Why disprove the truth? 😀
Quick notes about former 6MOTY (2021) Jordan Clarkson:
– this is his 11th consecutive season at 20+ PP36M (and his career average for minutes is 27.6, he doesn’t play sparingly).
– 46 “20+” and 10 “30+” games in the last two season (good for 56 times in 95 games over 20P)
– Bad defender, extreme streaky shooter, can create for himself
– May he solve some bench issues? YES
– May he create new issues? Maybe (our bench stinks right now)
– Thibs’ kind of player? NO
– Danny Ainge is a rascal? YES
Rozier isn’t much different and his contract is higher, Brogdon’s better if/when healthy.
I doubt he’ll come, and more so that he’ll come at the right price, but he’s not Killian Hayes, come on…
Can the NBA investigate Bruce Brown for tampering with the Knicks? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen an interview like that before.
TNFH, I truly hope the FO processed how bad we are without Brunson on the floor. I like that they are giving Deuce a shot at it, but come on.
Rozier has a bad contract and has a career .537 TS%. Hard no for me.
I understand that people are kind of conditioned to believe ball movement is an inherently good thing and like most people I find it aesthetically pleasing, but it’s really just one means to the end of efficient offense and quite frequently does not lead to that end.
The passes per game leaderboard has very little overlap with the offensive rating leaderboard this season. The Clippers are dead last in passes with the 5th best offensive rating. The Kings are first in passes with the 14th best offensive rating.
So here I am again defending the coach I didn’t want hired and continue to believe has major flaws: I think Thibs comes at least pretty close to optimizing our offense given our personnel. We have guys who draw disproportionate defensive attention when they isolate, so that’s our primary method of generating offensive advantages. I don’t think our offense would be as good if Thibs insisted on Brunson and Randle whipping the ball around for the sake of doing so.
Atlanta has placed Trae Young in the league’s concussion protocols.
DJM will have the keys for the next few games.
I mean, a lot of this was accumulated during the Obama administration. Over the last 5 seasons he’s at .555, and that’s with last year being something of anomalous disaster. He’s racked that up while taking tons of unassisted, tough shots.
In 3 of the last 4 years he’s been in the top-40 by offensive EPM. He’s always struggled defensively but we’re well accustomed to workarounds for weak guard defense at this point.
I don’t think his contract is a problem. Guys who shoot a lot of threes and make a lot of threes are basically always in demand. Is there any contender that wouldn’t want Scary Terry right now?
Like anyone realistically available he’s got his warts, but we need a microwave scorer type and he’s a pretty good one.
Nor do I. My argument was that, short of a Brunson or Randle, our second units have often had better luck playing in a different way than the starters: running; ball movement. I would rather Thibs encourage more of this difference now, rather than us finding a “lesser” Brunson or Randle for the bench mob.
FWIW I joked last night about Randle watching old Magic Johnson DVDs, but it did *look like he was looking for and making more passes to the right places by some kind of design rather than just chucking whenever he was bottled up. Maybe Thibs is teaching a bit, after all.
Rozier would be perfectly fine as our backup PG on the court. The contract is pretty bad for a backup though.
There’s probably a little juice we can squeeze out of iHart, running some PNRs with Small Hart, etc. but generally I just don’t think anyone in our second unit has the ability to generate the kind of advantages that make ball movement fruitful.
Deuce, Grimes, Hart…these are just not guys that force defenses into tough choices. They can toss the ball around all they want but if you can’t get into the teeth of a defense and/or make them fear your ability to break them down one-on-one, it’s not going to lead to much.
I’m in total agreement with Noble here. People like to remember the Spurs for example as a team that moved the ball unselfishly, and while that is true, the whole reason it could happen in the first place is because you could throw the ball in the post to Duncan and he’d either be doubled or left with a favorable scoring opportunity, and that opened up the entire game for everyone else. When Duncan started declining, they had Parker who was incredibly fast and could blow past defenders and Ginobili who could do the same in creative ways, and later Kawhi.
Teams have to find a way to get the ball moving, and for that to happen there has to be a initiation of a play of some sort, it could be a guard driving past a defender, it could be a pick and roll, a post action, the fabled pinch post of the triangle, etc. The ball can’t move if all 5 defenders are simply able to stay in front of the 5 offensive players because none of them provide a threat to initiate a play that moves the defense around.
This is the guy we need for the second unit, the “play initiator”, the role that Quickley often did so well. McBride and Grimes have shown they can’t or won’t do it, Hart can maybe do it a bit on pick and rolls but it’s far from good enough.
This may be true, but all of Deuce, Grimes, Hart, Devo, OG, and now even Precious (!) have had solid *offensive games in January. I’d like to watch them play together a bit more, rather than watch Bruce Brown or Terry Rozier.
But that may just be me.
To run a good offense, you need to get into the paint on a drive, dive, or post-up. Nobody on the 2nd unit can do that.
Instead the good offensive games come from knocking down 3s off of curls and stepbacks, or they play with the starters and feed off of the better initiators on those units.
I’m all for giving them till the deadline to work it out, but it’s nowhere close to passable and I’m not sure how much longer we can pump minutes into the starting unit without further injury. We’ve already seen 2 of them go down during this stretch.
His name is pretty cool
I think the good thing is that Thibs seemed to have figured out that Randle + second unit doesn’t work. It becomes like the Atlanta playoff series: Julius can be easily doubled and he is not fast enough to find the open shooters.
I’m just against getting a bad player who is seen as a “facilitator” because he hoists a lot of shots. Clarkson would remind us of the worst RJ games on a regular basis.
Also agree with Noble. Just don’t believe Deuce can get into the paint as we need him to.
A few years ago they only reason I wasn’t more angry about The Incineration is because I assumed we had some kind of under the table agreement for Terry. We desperately needed a PG, and he seemed good enough, and expendable with LaMelo going there. Also, no such illicit agreement existed. All in all, I’m happy it worked out as it did, since Brunson is awesome, but I’d still be happy with Rozier as a backup. He’s got some useful skills.
It all depends on what’s going out. Wouldn’t be good to lose Grimes for Terry or Bruce or most of the options, really… Add Terry while keeping Grimes, though, seems about optimal.
This.
i think that specific culture around the san francisco bay dates to around 800 – 1800 CE…that may not be the actual name though…some spanish thing…
okay, that is cool and revealing to know…costly to maintain, what a great guardian for the home/community though…those folks probably figured out how to hunt with wolves…
i have to be honest – the one thing about archeology that truly creeps me out, the digging up of burial sites…great data, bad mojo…
since they found those footprints down in white sands new mexico dating to around twenty thousand BCE, the retreat of the ice during that time period…makes you wonder if there were not already folks there long before the last glacial maximum and things started to die off and freeze in the area around twenty two thousand BCE or so…i haven’t looked at the stuff for that specific region…
it’s like the new york harbor – a land of plenty for early inhabitants…the water line has changed a bunch, ice has come and gone, good spot for vegetation, good spot for animals, good spot for people…from how far back, who knows now…
anyways, good win for the niners last night…if i had to choose a place to live though: go bucs 🙂
Knicks now 8th in both offense and defense rating.
ISO basketball isn’t a problem, it just puts a lot of pressure on Jalen Brunson to be a god. He obviously can do it, but eventually the rest of the team has to step up.
The Clippers have Harden, Kawhi, PG, and Westbrook. They should ISO all day.
Purposeful ball and player movement is how you generate good looks for players that can’t create efficient shots for themselves. The Knicks have plenty of those.
Of course, if you have a 3-4 versatile offensive players on the court you can have a top offense without a lot of movement. You can also move the ball all day and suck if you have no shooters. But imo an offense where 3 guys stand around watching Brunson and Randle score 30 each is not a good strategy, especially come playoff time when at least one of them might get locked down or miss a couple of games.
Watching Brunson these last few games has been a double edged sword for me. He’s been amazing, but what he is doing right now is not going to get us where we want to go. You need that kind of ability on a key possession here or there, not as a game long strategy.
If I’m not wrong, post trade Brunson has a top 10 assist rate in the league. He’s passing plenty.
Put it this way:
the problem isn’t ISO basketball.
the problem is ISO basketball when 8 of your top 10 players are terrible at ISO basketball, and one of the other 2 is a mixed bag.
Brunson since the trade is averaging 8.4 asts with a 35.5 Ast%.
Yeah since the trade Brunson is averaging 8.4 assists vs 2.6 turnovers per game. Also 29 PPG on a 61% TS. I hope he does not change a single, solitary thing he is doing.
I am all the way out on Clarkson, don’t think I would accept his contract for free.
We can theoretically land Alexander Bortelstein and Rozier without giving up any player we care about–Evil Donte for Borchs, Fournier/Archie/Sims for Rozier (would have to be either a 3-way because Burks for Evil Donte straight up violates the 200% + $250K rule for trading salaries under $7.5M). Obviously whether or not the other teams had any interest would then boil down to draft compensation.
It sounds like at this point Grimes is definitely a goner though, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes out in a Rozier trade in lieu of a first.
For whatever its worth Ian Begley today wrote that the 2 players Knicks are monitoring the most closely are Brown and Burks. If they get Brown to basically be the backup PG it seems like it would be imperative to also add a shooter and Burks would fit the bill. A bench of Brown, Burks, Hart and whoever the backup center is wouldn’t be too bad.
Clarify, please.
My thing is we can’t reasonably expect Brunson to keep this up.
Are you saying we shouldn’t want him to?
Leon is great at playing his cards close to the vest, but it really seems like we’re not into Brogdon at all.
Yeah, I’ve seen many rumors too about Clarkson and Rozier but hardly any about Brogdon.
Clarkson would be pretty aughts knicksy. Never liked his game.
Bringing both Burks and Brown makes me more intrigued on this scenario. Burks has really settled as a 40% 3pt shooter these last couple of seasons and he, Brown and Hart could share the ball handling passably for the 2nd unit with some staggering of minutes with Brunson, Randle and DDV. Burks poor defense won’t matter because Brown is pretty damn good at defending and so is Hart. Brown can also help lighten the load of minutes for Anunoby ideally.
Not sure what Masai would want for Brown and it better not be very expensive, but I can get behind this idea.
Geo, the Clovis First doctrine has been pretty thoroughly debunked in the last couple decades, starting with Adovasio’s work at Meadowcroft. It’s clear that people came over BEFORE the last Ice Age and not after – which is to say, a lot longer than 14,000 years ago.
Agreed Bruno, bringing in Brown as the only move wouldn’t make much sense but adding him along with someone like Burks makes much more sense at least to me.
I guess if you wanted a backup PF & PG Brown sort of solves both problems… don’t think that’s our main problem though.
If a good deal for Murray or Brogdon is available, I think we should jump on it. If there is no good deal available, I have no problem finishing the year with what we have now and addressing the teams needs in the offseason. I just don’t see the point in rushing to make a deal now. We are no contenders yet.
fish, trees, animals, rocks, water, air, the sub-atomic world – all interesting stuff, the human story though – that is very unique…at least this solar system, this era of time…
the period around 25 to 30k is interesting in regards to human migration in the americas – were they here? how in the heck did they get here? how early did they come to be here?
maybe it’s like the horse, maybe they were here, then they weren’t, then they came back…
i remember the girl found in the cave down in northen mexico from around 10k bce or so i think, i kind of remember them saying she had south east asian dna bits in her…
i’m not that enthusiastic about being on water, so it’s hard for me to contemplate sea faring people from that far back, but who knows…
i’ve never even looked at the southern ice sheet encroachment during the last couple glacial episodes, maybe there was a southern path that folks could walk from asia to southern america…
it’s tough rama, we are limited by what we can find – however, technology is definitely our friend when it comes to figuring out the past…radar in its many forms is so amazing…
that new luminescence dating stuff is what helped them figure out the wooden structure recently found in africa was from 300k bce…it’s so neat to think folks, not necessarily human, may have been chilling on their porch, that long ago…eating, smoking, drinking, playing…and trying not to get ate themselves of course…
I don’t think they should be irrational at the deadline, but even if the Knicks aren’t a bona fide contender, they are not that far off, and it’s not outside the realm of possibilities that they get a bit lucky (KP or Embiid getting injured, for example). You also never know what the future will bring in terms of contention. Given where they are, I think the should be aggressive while keeping the big picture in mind. They don’t need THAT much – a late first plus Fournier could land you something that might meaningfully improve the odds in the postseason. For something that is less obvious at this point (backup center?), they can look at the buyout market…
Both Burks and Brown are excellent 2-way bench pieces, way better than Deuce and Grimes. Neither is really a PG, though.
So…
1 Brunson / Brown
2 DiVicenzo / Burks
3 Anunoby / Hart
4 Randle / Precious
5 Hartenstein / Robinson
Hmm… that is a very Thibs-y team!
It’s still a mezzanine team but it’s definitely a Power Mezz squad that could make some noise.
You’re essentially running out a quasi contender until you can hopefully package Randle, Brown, and Burks with picks to get a superstar.
It’s not terrible but it’s not exactly thrilling, either.
Backup center really depends on whether or not Mitch is coming back. If he is, we can look at the G-league or try the buyout market and see if Sims or Precious can cobble together some decent backup minutes. If not we need to be more aggressive in finding someone who can play if iHart say sprains an ankle.
Brown seems like a great player to have on your bench, but he sounds almost identical to Hart except that he can supposedly play PG. I’m not sure if that’s really the case though. If it’s not the case, I’m not sure how you can reason that we’d need both Brown and Hart, both of whom are worse shooters than Grimes.
Yeah, agreed, that’s really my confusion on the topic.
if you get brown duece and burks out there maybe they combine to form one PG
I don’t think we need a point guard per se. We need someone who can generate offense on their own. That kind of player is often a point guard, but I think someone like Burks could make the 12 or so non-Brunson minutes…palatable, and that number will probably be closer to 8 in the playoffs.
Brown has some point guard-y qualities, but I still can’t talk myself into it, and believe me, I want to! We’re talking about one of the best players in the history of my alma mater’s basketball program.
But him and Hart would both come off the bench and thus be impossible to not play together, which means we’d have two hesitant/non-shooters on the court right off the bat before accounting for a center. Seems like we’d be paying a fair amount to go from an offensively deficient bench to a more souped up offensively deficient bench.
Bagley was a guy i thought was going to be a legit big coming out of Duke. Earlier this week, I was curious (randomly) to find out what’s been his issue. So i went on Reddit (forgive me lol) to see why he hasn’t panned out. What Kings fans said basically that while he’s a good athlete that can jump, he’s bad defensively, never developed his off-hand or passing, and that he and his dad think he’s better than what he’s shown in the pros. They indicated he never really developed in the years in Sacramento, partly because of team ineptitude, and partly because of him. Basically, a guy who got by in being superior athletically in hs and college but never developed the skills to be a good NBA 4.
I suppose you could play a Deuce-Brown-Hart-OG-Mitch lineup and hope it’s a 4-3 game until the starters came back.
Hey geo, pls correct me if I’m wrong but don’t you stay in north Hollywood? I just dropped the wife and lil guy at El Portal for a mommy/baby play date at some kiddie play they’re having. I’m killing time at this cigar lounge off the 170 until they’re done.
The Nets need a point guard, a new coach and a brain transplant…
And yet they won’t trade Mikal.
awwww, that sounds cool cdiggy…i’m out here by san bernardino, in redlands…thankfully not in san bernardino, but rather by it 🙂
i’m pretty close to the 10…
Considering the ball movement discussion earlier, I thought this was an excellent thread that shows how there’s a lot going on behind the ISOs the Knicks run.
https://x.com/knickfilmskool/status/1749205129440682282
We’ll yearn for the days of Thibs’s iso offense when he introduces the noso offense, which involves holding the rock for 24 seconds till the clock expires to avoid live ball TOs and stalling for Brunson to return.
Yeah, love watching the game film threads from KFS. Shows how there’s alot more nuance to the Knicks offense than just ISO but good luck convincing some people here about that..
I don’t watch much NFL but this seems like the game to watch
Geez, I’d hate to be a Bills fan right now…
Bills are right up there with the all time cursed franchises
How did it go wide right again… Jesus this is some really cruel shit for the Bills fans.
wait bruno – how do you even know about that?
the poor bills, folks from all over the world are familiar with their struggles from decades ago…
didn’t that kicker have trouble all year…green bay had a shaky kicker too…playoffs are a bad time for shaky kickers…
I can get +1000 on the Clippers winning the title right now and I’m kinda into it. No bets when I’m buzzed, though. Gotta sleep on it.
if you are still up, i have a question for you hubie…
if you could revisit a location – where would that be?
if you could visit a new to you location – where would that be?
Well geo, I’m not that young so I do remember that game in 91 lol, and surprisingly enough the NFL has been covered in Brazil for a pretty long time, since the 80s. Of course I only heard the phrase “wide right” later as the internet showed up and I saw the English commentary.
interesting bruno, i had you as being forty something maybe…you seem a little too hopeful and open minded to be older than that 🙂
have you visited the states?
You are correct, but for some reason I have extremely vivid memories of memorable sports moments from my childhood, I remember watching a lot of games with my father when I was a child, NFL, NBA and a ton of soccer games obviously.
I’ve been to the states a couple of times, New York twice when I was younger, Miami for work and San Francisco and San Diego to present my masters at a conference, but it’s been a while, last time was 2013, the height of the Melo era lol
you know bruno, thinking on it, i haven’t watched many sporting events with anyone else…the people i’ve been around most over the years just weren’t in to it i guess…
did watch the mike tyson/buster douglas fight with mom…ma kept going on about how buster was going to do something special for his mom, i forgot what the story was at the time, she was sure of it though…
i kept saying how impossible it was…until it started happening…
My family are all big boxing fans. We got it from my dad, who watched the fights religiously and raised us on a diet of Roberto Duran and Muhammad Ali. When I was 8 years old my dad pulled me out of school to go watch Duran train in Miami for what eventually became known as the No Mas fight.
I was a teenager when Mike Tyson came on the scene, and I loved him because I was very familiar with Jim Jacobs, who was on his management team. Jacobs owned a huge archive of fight films and they’d show them on TV every now and then. I loved these old fight films, was entranced by them.
So when Tyson emerged and was also passionate about those same fight films, he was like my guy. I loved him. But as he got more famous and fired his inner circle and moved onto Don King, I felt like he just wasn’t the same. Few other people saw it, but I could see signs of his decline as early as 1988. I could see he was getting lazy, that his technique was getting ragged, and that he could be frustrated in the ring. He was still racking up knockouts and winning fights easily, but he looked beatable to me.
I picked Michael Spinks to beat him, which turned out to be the worst sports prediction of my lifetime. Spinks was way too small and way too scared to last long in the ring with Tyson. When Buster Douglas beat him, I was as shocked as everybody else, but also felt like I saw it coming. I didn’t think Buster would be the guy to do it, but I felt strongly that somebody was going to take advantage of Tyson’s technical flaws sooner or later.
The Buster Douglas fight is still the most memorable sporting event of my lifetime. Second place for me is the Bill Buckner game, which I saw the end of on a school trip when I was 14. Turned on the TV and it was the Mets’ turn to bat in the bottom of the 10th down 2 runs.