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  • Contrary to Billion Dollar Investments in Warriors’ Home, Knicks … – EssentiallySports
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  • Knicks-Raptors lawsuit: Answering 6 lingering questions – The Athletic
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  • New York Knicks Sue Toronto Raptors Alleging Stolen Scouting … – Claims Journal
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  • 4 Bold Jalen Brunson Team USA Predictions At 2023 FIBA World Cup – ClutchPoints
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  • Which Knicks players played for the Nuggets and also won 55+ games in a season? NBA HoopGrids answers for August 25 – Sportskeeda
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  • Record 55 NBA players to compete in 2023 FIBA Basketball World … – NBA.com
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    Record 55 NBA players to compete in 2023 FIBA Basketball World …  NBA.com

  • Giannis Antetokounmpo Raises Knicks’ Hopes After Revealing Future Plan – Heavy.com
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, August 24, 2023 7:52:00 PM

    Giannis Antetokounmpo Raises Knicks’ Hopes After Revealing Future Plan  Heavy.com

  • New York Knicks’ RJ Barrett Reveals ‘Most Special Basketball Moment’ – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, August 24, 2023 7:21:08 PM

    New York Knicks’ RJ Barrett Reveals ‘Most Special Basketball Moment’  Sports Illustrated

  • Community Day In Harlem At Holcombe Rucker Park: Honoring NY … – Harlem World Magazine
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, August 24, 2023 7:05:05 PM

    Community Day In Harlem At Holcombe Rucker Park: Honoring NY …  Harlem World Magazine

  • Giannis Antetokounmpo officially on Knicks’ trade radar after bold comments – Daily Knicks
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, August 24, 2023 6:09:01 PM

    Giannis Antetokounmpo officially on Knicks’ trade radar after bold comments  Daily Knicks

  • A look at the Knicks’ most underrated player – Yardbarker
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    A look at the Knicks’ most underrated player  Yardbarker

  • A look at the Knicks’ most underrated player – Empire Sports Media
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    A look at the Knicks’ most underrated player  Empire Sports Media

  • Knicks sue the Raptors for allegedly installing a ‘mole’ – Deadspin
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    Knicks sue the Raptors for allegedly installing a ‘mole’  Deadspin

  • New York Knicks’ Jalen Brunson Learns Family Secret at FIBA World … – Sports Illustrated
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  • Why ‘rest advantage’ could be Knicks 2023-24 schedule worry – New York Post
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    Why ‘rest advantage’ could be Knicks 2023-24 schedule worry  New York Post

  • Knicks’ RJ Barrett Named to Top 10 NBA Wings Under 25 With Highest Ceilings – Heavy.com
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    Knicks’ RJ Barrett Named to Top 10 NBA Wings Under 25 With Highest Ceilings  Heavy.com

  • Knicks championships, NBA Finals appearances, history and more – Daily Knicks
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    Knicks championships, NBA Finals appearances, history and more  Daily Knicks

  • 3 Critical adjustments the Knicks must make ahead of 2023-24 season – Daily Knicks
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    3 Critical adjustments the Knicks must make ahead of 2023-24 season  Daily Knicks

  • 43 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2023.08.25)”

    Macri and much of Knick Twitter has already gone on high alert regarding the Giannis comments about not wanting to stay in Milwaukee if it means he never wins another title.

    I remain incredibly skeptical that he’d want to come here, just based on the apparent bad blood over how Phil “mistreated” Thanasis. But if that was overblown, then by god, you move heaven and earth and anyone not named Jalen Bruson to make that happen.

    Giannis’ comments seemed completely benign but the writing is on the wall. Jrue is 33, Lopez is 35, Middleton is never available. He’s about to waste one of his prime years on this supporting cast. He won’t waste another one.

    I am surprisingly optimistic that Leon will make this happen next summer. But I also think it’s Giannis or bust for him.

    With Milwaukee – and only with Milwaukee – we actually do have a surplus pick with massive trade value: the 2025 top 4 protected Bucks pick.

    I would vastly prefer Giannis over Embiid. I don’t think anything will happen until next summer, more because of Philly and Milwaukee than about us. That’s kind of the timeline I prefer….there is still work to do in finding out the value of our players (individually and collectively) and draft assets.

    I am still withholding “secondary” judgment on the Leon regime until Opening Day 2023, as there is still a chance that a significant move will happen before then. But I can’t imagine giving them less than a B at this point. Even as is, this is a solid roster that is eminently rootable and has some upside. And we have the assets to compete with anyone in a deal for a superstar. The only move that I have rued from the get-go is picking Obi over Hali. I don’t give a shit about the draft day trade-outs, and don’t give a shit about spots 12-18 on the roster. I’ve come around on Thibs because he is a good choice for a hybrid approach so long as you manage his warts, and that seems to have happened to an acceptable (but far from perfect) degree…his “preferred mercs” are gone, the rotation is chock full of good choices who will all get minutes, and the deep bench of Sims, Deuce, and whoever of Roby, Knight or DaQuan steps up…plus there is still an open roster spot for someone like Garuba (not my guy, but whatever) or a Taj type. Last year at this time, some folks were worried about the Scott Skiles effect, but that doesn’t seem to have materialized. Could it still happen? I guess, but it seems like having transferred the on-court leadership from Julius to Brunson should kick that can down the road for at least another year. So he is a fine, if not perfect coach for this stage of the rebuild.

    As to “final” judgment of the Leon regime, “missing out” on Spida kicked that down the road as well (it would have been a D if the trade went through) so now it’s about a) how this team does and/or b) what kind of blockbuster happens, and how that turns out. There’s no way for me to pass final judgment as things stand.

    Signing Giannis in free agency would be the dream. Not having to trade a bunch of picks and players for a player on his level would make us instant favorites to win the title.

    I could see him leaving. That team is getting old.

    I would think he would be over whatever beef he has with us. That was literally 2 regimes ago.

    Titanic battle between last season’s opening night starters beginning soon.

    This kid Fournier looks good…who does he play for?

    He plays for our very own Westchester Knicks. We probably should’ve locked him up for multiple years

    Signing Giannis in free agency would be the dream.

    I rarely say something is certain but Giannis will certainly not be a free agent. This will be dealt with next summer, before the final year of his contract. Either they will retool, or he will leave.

    My sense is that if they can successfully retool he would stay. But my prediction is that they won’t be able to, and he’ll demand a trade.

    What we need is for the Bucks to be fully healthy during the playoffs and get knocked out before the conference finals or get mauled in the conference finals. We want it to be very clear to Giannis this team is not good enough anymore. He’ll understand the combination of not good enough and old means a rebuild or a wasted year or two trying again. They disappointed last year, but he was hurt. That meant nothing in terms of his belief about the team coming into this year. And he’s right about that. Healthy, they are a very major contender. As far as he’s concerned, he may believe they are the best team in the NBA and just need to be at 100%.

    Whether he would want to come to NY is an entirely different matter.

    Rj with a quietly efficient 1/10 shooting night, 2/4 FT. Nice to know the off-season work with Hanlen is paying off.

    Going 1-10 from the field is a big part of what RJ does, Hanlen isn’t gonna just kick it to the curb

    On today’s Sam Vecenie pod, him and Danny Leroux seem to agree the Knicks are best positioned for Embiid. Interestingly, they’re a fair bit higher on the value of the protected picks than the Knickerblogger hive mind. Well worth a listen regardless of where you stand on all that, there’s plenty of intelligent commentary about the Harden situation too.

    I tend to agree with Hubert that Giannis isn’t hitting unrestricted free agency simply because megastars just don’t do that anymore, but I wouldn’t rule it out entirely. He might be genuinely undecided on Milwaukee next summer such that he values the extra flexibility over maximizing his earnings.

    Trade for Embiid and sign Giannis, IMO. Please do not ask me to layout how this is possible.

    I know this isn’t musicblogger, but first JK, congrats on the new-found zen perspective. I’ll do my darnedest to try and emulate.

    Second, just was sent something and fell down the deep well of Scary Pockets, funk covers and mash-ups of almost everything with a series of seemingly random off-the-street vocalists who are all singularly brilliant. Know anything about them? Where do they find those voices?

    Trade for Embiid and sign Giannis, IMO. Please do not ask me to layout how this is possible.

    The league isn’t ready for this lineup:

    Deuce
    DaQuan
    Jericho
    Giannis
    Embiid

    guess the hive is back to trading RJ for a stale bag of potato chips.

    Only because he’s back to playing like a stale bag of potato chips

    strat i listen to a lot of waspy podcasts and they say you’re still part of the hive

    For either Giannis or Embiid,

    RJ Barrett
    Immanuel Quickley
    Mitchell Robinson

    2 unprotected own picks (2024, 2026)

    1 own top 10 protected (2028)

    4 protected picks from other teams
    (Dallas/Washington/Bucks/Wizards)

    2 pick swaps (2025/2027)

    Has to be a wining bid, – just can’t see anyone else topping it.

    Scary Pockets is an ongoing collective made up of some of the best players in the local jazz and funk scene here in LA, which is incredibly robust at the moment. Very much in the style of the legendary Vulfpeck. I play in a band called Fan Fiction that kind of exists in this scene, although we don’t play very often. We’re often on the bill with Scary Pockets-related musicians like Nick Campbell and Larry Goldings. I also play with Maya Rudolph’s Prince cover band PRINCESS, and the drummer of that band Rob Humphreys is a Scary Pockets regular.

    There are so many talented players and singers here in LA that they have no problem finding amazing guest vocalists. Everybody knows somebody who’s dope.

    strat i listen to a lot of waspy podcasts and they say you’re still part of the hive

    Ha

    I didn’t even look at yesterday’s thread after I posted.

    I’m OK with keeping RJ or trading him, but I don’t think I’m ever going to like Randle and RJ on the same team., especially with Mitch as the C. Other than that, I can handle an occasional 1-10 night. Several in row has an impact on my thinking.

    (The Pat Gray podcast is pretty funny if you are right of center or even an equal opportunity hater of all of them like me, but I’d recommend against Michael Savage and a few others).

    Thanks, JK, always great to get a backstory. It does seem as if the LA scene is pretty amazing.

    And your constraint is approaching legendary…

    I’ve been wondering why the Knicks sued Toronto instead of, say, complaining to the league. There’s a new article in The Athletic that suggests to me why. The Knicks only know for sure what they can learn from their systems. They can see what was sent to Toronto and when, but they can only speculate on how many people in Toronto knew about it and how widespread was the intention to cheat, because they don’t have access to internal Raptor communications. The lawsuit brings discovery and that will help finding that stuff out. The penalties for the bad behavior might be different if it was just one or two rogue actors on the Toronto end or if it was an institutional mandate. The Knicks suspect more than one or two Toronto staff are involved, and the lawsuit should help them find out. It seems like they don’t have faith an NBA investigation will do the same thing.

    The full story is here:
    https://theathletic.com/4804285/2023/08/25/knicks-raptors-lawsuit-questions/

    JK, I have a question for you. A buddy of mine has posted videos of some random kid playing a Mark Knophler solo from Sultans of Swing or something like that, and I have responded that copying something that someone else has invented is not nearly as hard as it looks, i.e that other than the Jimi Hendrix’s of the world, duplicating a riff or solo is something that most professional level musicians can do. Can you shed some light on that? In other words, can someone at your skill level pretty much copy 99% of the riffs and solos out there? And if not, what’s the nature of the obstacles from player to player?

    PS built into that question is the reality that “copying” to the layman doesn’t necessarily pick up on nuances that only a professionally trained ear could discern. In other words, you can copy Mark Knophler but not really hit the highly technical parts of his mastery, meaning that it sounds identical to the untrained ear but really isn’t…

    Oops, sorry for the misspelling…although the manner in which you pointed it out says more about you than about me…

    Can you shed some light on that? In other words, can someone at your skill level pretty much copy 99% of the riffs and solos out there? And if not, what’s the nature of the obstacles from player to player?

    Interesting question.

    For starters, I’d say this: all players have a ceiling to their technique or what we also call “chops.” In the professional world, I’m not really an elite “chops” player by any stretch of the imagination. My strengths are time-feel, versatility, and (I’ve been told) taste. Guitar is my second instrument, and I’m not the kind of player who can perfectly mimic the most difficult Eddie Van Halen solos, or play like John McLaughlin or Yngwie Malmsteen or any of those elite shredders. That’s simply beyond my ceiling of technique. There are some other styles that are really difficult to play, like for instance bluegrass flat picking. I don’t think my fingers could ever move that fast if I practiced the rest of my life.

    But short of that kind of stuff, I’d say that yes, I could probably play 99% of what’s out there. I could definitely play the “Sultans Of Swing” solo, and during the pandemic I actually got into a hobby of learning a bunch of difficult but not impossible guitar solos, and it was a lot of fun. I got really into Larry Carlton’s solos, learned his solos from “Kid Charlemagne” and “Don’t Take Me Alive” and I also went back and learned some Zeppelin and Hendrix and Clapton solos. Those are all attainable to somebody like me if I put in the work. At least, I can get my fingers on all of the frets at the right time. “Kid Charlemagne” took me a while to get together, I had to practice that for hours to be able to get through it.

    To actually PLAY like, for instance, Hendrix or Stevie Ray Vaughan or Prince or something… that’s a whole other thing. Those are guitarists that have incredibly strong voices, extremely forceful phrasing and command of their tone and so on. Like Jeff Beck, for instance: I could probably learn most Jeff Beck songs note for note, but he’s a magician when it comes to phrasing, the most accurate string bender who ever lived. He also often has his amp dialed in so it’s right on the verge of feedback, so he’s able to coax that feedback out of it in just the right amounts at just the right times to generate extra overtones and really make his playing sing. That stuff is basically impossible to emulate. Those are really my favorite kinds of guitarists, the guys who have something beyond technique, who have a strong voice as players.

    Knopfler is kind of unique in that he doesn’t use a pick, and he’s not classically trained, so his fingerpicking is a bit unorthodox. I like his playing a lot, even though I’m not a big Dire Straits fan.

    But, like with RJ and Jimmy Butler, it’s a lot easier to emulate a song that it is to emulate a career!

    (Edited to add the exclamation mark)

    Yeah, I guess that’d be the hard part trying to really nail “Sultans Of Swing,” the fact that he doesn’t use a pick. Same with Lindsey Buckingham, to really nail his sound you can’t use a pick.

    One of the most impossible things to play that doesn’t even sound that difficult is “Never Going Back Again” by Fleetwood Mac, which is just the most insane Travis picking thing. This guy in this YouTube video does a great job of explaining why it’s so impossible to play, and why it’s so great:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeNyc9pXm1w&t=435s

    Songwriter Lindsey Buckingham told Rolling Stone:

    That was a very naive song. I had broken up with Stevie and maybe met someone. It could have been someone who really didn’t mean a thing.

    Co-producer Ken Caillat told Rolling Stone he made guitar techs restring Buckingham’s guitar every twenty minutes when recording this song:

    I wanted to get the best sound on every one of his picking parts. I’m sure the roadies wanted to kill me. Restringing the guitar three times every hour was a bitch. But Lindsey had lots of parts on the song, and each one sounded magnificent.

    i remember after hearing that song for the first time being really surprised i liked it so much…it sounded so different from anything else i had heard before…

    that’s a bit chilly: hooked up with someone who didn’t really mean anything

    Waspy podcast is oxymoronic

    Great music riff

    Also, I am in Greece and watched Greece vs Jordan. Rondae Hollis Jefferson looks like Jordan in FIBA

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