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  • NBA Free Agency: Knicks are loaded with assets, but would be smart to resist get-rich-quick impulse – CBS Sports
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, June 29, 2023 1:56:00 AM

    NBA Free Agency: Knicks are loaded with assets, but would be smart to resist get-rich-quick impulse  CBS Sports

  • With limited salary cap flexibility, Knicks look to level up – Amsterdam News
    [news.google.com] — Thursday, June 29, 2023 12:00:00 AM

    With limited salary cap flexibility, Knicks look to level up  Amsterdam News

  • Curry to New York? Could Knicks Sign Shooter Seth (No, Not Steph … – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 9:29:58 PM

    Curry to New York? Could Knicks Sign Shooter Seth (No, Not Steph …  Sports Illustrated

  • Walt ‘Clyde’ Frazier will broadcast Knicks games ‘as long’ as possible – New York Post
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 9:13:00 PM

    Walt ‘Clyde’ Frazier will broadcast Knicks games ‘as long’ as possible  New York Post

  • ‘Stop That Idiot!’ Celtics Fans Nervous About Porzingis Trade – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 8:51:57 PM

    ‘Stop That Idiot!’ Celtics Fans Nervous About Porzingis Trade  Sports Illustrated

  • Knicks’ free-agent quest for shooter could force trade to clear rotation spot – New York Post
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 8:49:00 PM

    Knicks’ free-agent quest for shooter could force trade to clear rotation spot  New York Post

  • A three-team trade involving Knicks that was quickly doused with cold water – Daily Knicks
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 8:00:41 PM

    A three-team trade involving Knicks that was quickly doused with cold water  Daily Knicks

  • Clyde Frazier plans to continue working Knicks games “as long as I can” – Posting and Toasting
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 7:52:07 PM

    Clyde Frazier plans to continue working Knicks games “as long as I can”  Posting and Toasting

  • Knicks Rumors: NBA Champion Has ‘Interest’ in Coming to New York – Heavy.com
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 7:13:27 PM

    Knicks Rumors: NBA Champion Has ‘Interest’ in Coming to New York  Heavy.com

  • Knicks Trade Idea: Evan Fournier Goes South for Doug McDermott – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 6:48:41 PM

    Knicks Trade Idea: Evan Fournier Goes South for Doug McDermott  Sports Illustrated

  • Knicks front office gets highly unusual praise amid trade rumors – Daily Knicks
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 5:00:48 PM

    Knicks front office gets highly unusual praise amid trade rumors  Daily Knicks

  • What do the Knicks need to add this offseason? – New York Post
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 4:30:00 PM

    What do the Knicks need to add this offseason?  New York Post

  • New York Knicks Targeting Donte Divencenzo In Free Agency – Sports Lens
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 4:09:44 PM

    New York Knicks Targeting Donte Divencenzo In Free Agency  Sports Lens

  • Raptors’ OG Anunoby joins CAA – ClutchPoints
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 4:04:21 PM

    Raptors’ OG Anunoby joins CAA  ClutchPoints

  • Paul George trade: Grading hypothetical Clippers-Knicks deal – ClutchPoints
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:25:21 PM

    Paul George trade: Grading hypothetical Clippers-Knicks deal  ClutchPoints

  • New Look for New York? Knicks’ Logo Gets Subtle Makeover (Again) – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:23:01 PM

    New Look for New York? Knicks’ Logo Gets Subtle Makeover (Again)  Sports Illustrated

  • Report: Knicks to pick up Deuce McBride’s 2023-24 option – WBOY.com
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:19:25 PM

    Report: Knicks to pick up Deuce McBride’s 2023-24 option  WBOY.com

  • NBA Trade Rumors: Knicks planning to add another Villanova alum to play alongside Jalen Brunson & Josh Hart – Sportskeeda
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:00:00 PM

    NBA Trade Rumors: Knicks planning to add another Villanova alum to play alongside Jalen Brunson & Josh Hart  Sportskeeda

  • Why Yuta Watanabe could be intriguing option for the Knicks – Posting and Toasting
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 1:21:26 PM

    Why Yuta Watanabe could be intriguing option for the Knicks  Posting and Toasting

  • Ripple effects of a potential Knicks’ Donte DiVincenzo signing – Yahoo Sports
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 1:13:19 PM

    Ripple effects of a potential Knicks’ Donte DiVincenzo signing  Yahoo Sports

  • Knicks reportedly make expected offseason move with key young … – Daily Knicks
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 12:53:33 PM

    Knicks reportedly make expected offseason move with key young …  Daily Knicks

  • Knicks Target Donte DiVincenzo to Decline Option, Hit Free Agency – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 12:36:59 PM

    Knicks Target Donte DiVincenzo to Decline Option, Hit Free Agency  Sports Illustrated

  • Knicks ‘Patient’ on Trade Market, Unlikely to Deal for Bulls’ Zach … – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 12:24:57 PM

    Knicks ‘Patient’ on Trade Market, Unlikely to Deal for Bulls’ Zach …  Sports Illustrated

  • Karl-Anthony Towns trade: Grading ESPN’s hypothetical Knicks … – ClutchPoints
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 12:19:34 PM

    Karl-Anthony Towns trade: Grading ESPN’s hypothetical Knicks …  ClutchPoints

  • Why Josh Hart’s player option has more to do with Knicks than it does with him – The Athletic
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 12:19:05 PM

    Why Josh Hart’s player option has more to do with Knicks than it does with him  The Athletic

  • Knicks add Fordham standout Khalid Moore to Summer League roster – New York Post
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 11:42:00 AM

    Knicks add Fordham standout Khalid Moore to Summer League roster  New York Post

  • Knicks interested in Donte DiVincenzo: How would he fit in New York? – AMNY
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 11:31:59 AM

    Knicks interested in Donte DiVincenzo: How would he fit in New York?  AMNY

  • New York Knicks Alter Colours for 2023-24 Season ? SportsLogos.Net News – SportsLogos.Net News
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 11:09:48 AM

    New York Knicks Alter Colours for 2023-24 Season ? SportsLogos.Net News  SportsLogos.Net News

  • Knicks Mock Trade: Landing Raptors defensive wing – Empire Sports Media
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 10:36:43 AM

    Knicks Mock Trade: Landing Raptors defensive wing  Empire Sports Media

  • Georges Niang has entered New York’s radar. Should the Knicks pursue The Minivan? – Posting and Toasting
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 10:20:57 AM

    Georges Niang has entered New York’s radar. Should the Knicks pursue The Minivan?  Posting and Toasting

  • Khalid Moore Earns Summer League Invite from New York Knicks – Fordham University Athletics
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 10:18:27 AM

    Khalid Moore Earns Summer League Invite from New York Knicks  Fordham University Athletics

  • What to Make of Jaylen Martin and Jacob Toppin – The Knicks Wall
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 10:02:51 AM

    What to Make of Jaylen Martin and Jacob Toppin  The Knicks Wall

  • 9 potential Knicks free agent targets using mid level exemption – AMNY
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 9:55:18 AM

    9 potential Knicks free agent targets using mid level exemption  AMNY

  • It’s July So This Former Duke Star Is Popping Up In Trade Talks Again – Duke Basketball Report
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 9:00:00 AM

    It’s July So This Former Duke Star Is Popping Up In Trade Talks Again  Duke Basketball Report

  • Report indicates Zach LaVine’s camp is against a deal involving the New York Knicks – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, June 28, 2023 8:19:59 AM

    Report indicates Zach LaVine’s camp is against a deal involving the New York Knicks  Sports Illustrated

  • 106 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2023.06.29)”

    Man, the new CBA bit the Clippers so hard, they had to waive Eric Gordon after getting, like, 20 games out of him.

    I would too, even if i was a billionaire! He would’ve cost them 131M !?!?

    Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn:
    The Clippers aren’t guaranteeing guard Eric Gordon’s $21 million contract and he’ll become a free agent, sources tell ESPN. Gordon has averaged 16 points on 37 percent three-point shooting in his 15-year career.

    Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn:
    Gordon’s waiving saves the Clippers $110M in luxury tax, per @BobbyMarks42.

    What are the Bulls doing? I don’t think it’ll be easy to trade a no defense C making 20M AAV. Are they trying to win with the current team? 😮

    Well, just because of this news, i think this is a great offseason!

    Clyde Frazier plans to continue working Knicks games “as long as I can”

    I wonder whether Ainge’s two deals and the fact that the teams who made them were eliminated in the first round while the Jazz are kinda good already and on their way to being contenders has given the league some pause about selling the farm for non-MVP types and, more generally, overpaying for second and third tier stars.

    I agree with your opinion, i think the league has noticed that going all in for 2nd tier stars is a big risk. But what i really want to question is the “Jazz are kinda good already and on their way to being contenders”. With Sexton, Clarkson, Agbaji, Markkanen, Kessler and this year’s rookies (Taylor Hendricks, Keyonte George, Brice Sensabaugh) i don’t think i see contender status on their future.

    Oh and i don’t think Donovan is a 2nd tier star, i think you just have to be careful and put good defenders around him, which the Cavs are doing so i wouldn’t bet against that trade looking a lot better after the 2024 NBA Playoffs. Unless they meet the Knicks again, of course. 😀

    Gordon’s waiving saves the Clippers $110M in luxury tax, per @BobbyMarks42.

    Just an amazing sentence

    Yeah, the Bulls are a mess. They should take a page out of Washington’s book tbh, but now they‘ve doubled down with Vuc.

    But they’d still probably be better off trading LaVine and slotting young guys in around Vuc and DeRozan, which is probably all we need to know about LaVine.

    “But what i really want to question is the “Jazz are kinda good already and on their way to being contenders”. With Sexton, Clarkson, Agbaji, Markkanen, Kessler and this year’s rookies (Taylor Hendricks, Keyonte George, Brice Sensabaugh) i don’t think i see contender status on their future.”

    I might have overstated it a bit, but not by much. In addition to these players, some of whom are both very young and very good (and you left off Collins) they have an enormous stash of unprotected picks and a very flexible cap situation. They could probably put together a great package for a star and still have tons left to bargain with.

    But that’s possible when you inherit and then sell high on guys like Mitchell and Gobert and get a ridiculous haul in return for each of them from small market teams desperate to make the leap. As things stand, I would WAAAAY rather have Utah’s current situation than either Cleveland’s or Minny’s.

    People are underestimating Cleveland because of how easily we handled them. They’re not far from being great. Just as we will learn from our playoff experience, so will they. Utah is in a good situation, but playoff team and contender are very different things. All those draft picks won’t mean much if they continue to pick 9th.

    Yeah, I still like Cleveland’s team a lot. If they were to actually get Miles Bridges, that would be a tough core.

    But yes, I also really like what Ainge has done (thankfully not at our expense). They should probably sell high on Markkanen in a year or two as well.

    Bill Murray Voice:
    Well it’s Josh Hart’s player option deadline… Again

    cleveland’s got some exciting years coming up for garland… mobley.. and to a lesser extent okoro…

    the problem is that they probably do need a third usage guy… levert was ok for them but not gonna be reliable… mobley might take that leap but he’s still probably going to depend a lot on others creating for him….

    this is a pivotal year for them but they have the right guys at the right point in their age curves to make it happen…..

    People are underestimating Cleveland because of how easily we handled them. They’re not far from being great.

    Whereas The Knicks are doomed to be stuck on the mezzanine forever.

    Cleveland has the chrome and leather I often talk about here:

    Mitchell age 26 6.7 BPM
    Garland age 23 2.4 BPM
    Mobley age 21 1.7 BPM
    Allen age 24 2.4 BPM

    Their young players, especially Garland and Mobley, have higher ceilings than ours. I don’t think that’s particularly debatable. They’ll need to tweak their roster around the margins, but I’d trade our best four players for theirs in a heartbeat.

    As things stand, I would WAAAAY rather have Utah’s current situation than either Cleveland’s or Minny’s.

    I would rather be us than Utah. But it is a toss-up being us or Cleveland. They’ve gone all in, and after 1 season, it just might work (unlike Minny). We have yet to go all in, so the risk that we get it wrong is there.

    Gordon’s waiving saves the Clippers $110M in luxury tax

    All I know is that Dolan would have written the check if Isiah had asked him to.

    Cleveland has a ton of time to build out their bench and swap Okoro for a 5th starter if his shooting doesn’t improve. Cleveland is still in one of the better situations in the NBA. Maybe it doesn’t workout, but they’ve got another 5+ years to figure it out

    Mitchell age 26 6.7 BPM
    Garland age 23 2.4 BPM
    Mobley age 21 1.7 BPM
    Allen age 24 2.4 BPM

    That was their BPM in the playoffs? How did we beat them?

    but I’d trade our best four players for theirs in a heartbeat.

    But if you did that, then when we faced Cleveland in the playoffs, Brunson would son Mitchell into oblivion and we’d lose.

    Whereas The Knicks are doomed to be stuck on the mezzanine forever.

    You talkin to me? You talkin to me? Then who the hell else are you talkin to? I don’t see anyone here….

    Mitchell Robinson – 25 – 2.4 BPM
    Jalen Brunson – 26 – 3.9 BPM
    IQ – 24 – 1.7 BPM
    Julius Randle – 28 – 3.7 BPM
    Josh Hart – 28 – 3.4 BPM

    I know our core is older but IMO it’s kind of silly to project more than 3 or 4 seasons out even with teams that are young. Contracts will come up. Players might get traded or decide to go somewhere else. Injuries can happen, etc.

    Beating Cleveland handily in the play-offs hasn’t really changed my view of their future. They didn’t show up for their 1st elimination game, just like we didn’t 2 years ago. On the other hand, that series and the Miami series has really changed my view of the Knicks’ future. I think we are one piece–admittedly a major piece but we have the assets for it–away.

    We won exactly one playoff series against this iteration of the Cavs. It’s a definitive sample size, right? LOL! Do any of you really think that if we meet them again it’s a lock that we’ll win again? They are very young and learning, the Knicks were schooled by the Hawks and returned stronger, probably the Cavs will do the same. I’m not saying we’ll lose if we meet them, but i think we won’t have an easy series like we did this time.

    I like our situation because we have draft picks that Cleveland doesn’t (they lost theirs in the DM trade, whatever you think about the protected NYK picks).

    But in no way is their situation bad. Maybe those guys never make the jump but they had the best regular season SRS with a bunch of room to grow.

    Even Okoro has vastly improved his shooting since joining the league and is only 22. He folded in the playoffs when pressed (or just hit a cold streak) but shot .363 in the regular season

    To me Brunson is the best player out of the top4 players from Knicks and Cavs, so unless i’d be able to keep him, i wouldn’t trade our top4 for their top4. Also, like EB, i think we’re in similar situations, they look better but they already pushed in the chips to get a star, and we’re yet to do it. We even have assets to maybe get more than one star, it’ll depend on the market. I think i like our situation for now, but as some of us have alluded to, we have to make a move sooner rather than later. The clock is ticking, Leon.

    People are underestimating Cleveland because of how easily we handled them

    Plus One

    They probably have more developmental upside, but we have as much or more overall upside because of all the picks. Either way, I’m not anxious to play them.

    Mobley and Garland are really good assets, both are high upside players and have the benefit of already being good. We beat them largely because Mitchell Robinson destroyed Mobley this year but Mobley is only 21 and has lots of development left. I’ll be surprised if Mobley doesn’t end up being a significantly more valuable player than Mitch in the long run.

    Garland vs RJ speaks for itself.

    Even if you like Brunson over Spida, which is reasonable, their chrome and leather assets seem better than ours, especially when you factor in the mercurial nature of Randle’s game. Nobody here would be surprised all that much if Randle started stinking it up again next year.

    Mobley has no visible ceiling yet, he is exactly the kind of player you bet big on. He’s a top-3 defensive player in the league already after just two seasons and if/when he develops a game outside of the paint, he could be a Duncan/Garnett type perpetual all star. He alone is worth trading the top 4 Knicks for.

    I can’t say I’ve seen that much of Mobley, but is he really that great a defender? Allen was their main rim protector, and although Mobley has a decent DBPM (behind Sabonis if that says anything) he’s only 51st in D-RAPTOR behind Quickley.

    And yeah he’s got great upside, but that’s no guarantee he’ll break through. Look at Scottie Barnes, who took a step back this year.

    Idk, just something about hatching chickens and counting them…

    Interesting nugget from Katz’s Knicks free agency preview:

    https://theathletic.com/4651918/2023/06/29/knicks-free-agency-preview/

    The Knicks are not trying to move Quickley, but they also don’t seem to be against it if they uncover the proper trade. I have heard of at least one situation where they spoke to another team about flipping Quickley for a very good player in his prime. Talks didn’t go far, and it did not seem equivalent to what was going on this past autumn when the Knicks had legitimate discussions with various teams about dealing Quickley for a first-round pick or something like it, league sources told The Athletic at the time.

    IQ is probably the last guy I move after Brunson. PG is too important and there’s too few of them worth playing

    Mobley is a great defender… he was second in the entire league in shot contests and the other 9 in the top 10 play center… he had more shot contests than the actual center on the team…

    he’s the most versatile defender in the league… and he doesn’t just camp the paint… he spends a lot of time out on the perimeter… i think he was top 5 in 3pt’ers contested too which i think is why he’s so high overall… and all of that was on display against the knicks.. randle probably was hurt.. but he was bottled up by mobley for all but one quarter…

    he’s not quite KG defensively but he has that same skinny toughness to match some impossible length that makes him a menace as a help defender and lets him man up against most of the nba… defense takes a long while to develop for bigs as we’ve seen with mitch so it’s quite a feat to see what Mobley is doing now at his age… he’s got a bright future….

    is he really that great a defender?

    1st team all-defense as a 21 year old.

    And, unlike Barnes, who regresses his 2nd season, Mobley showed improvement across all categories between his rookie and sophomore season, which is important.

    And finally, unlike, say, Jaren Jackson jr, who is a similar type of defensively oriented young player, Mobley doesn’t appear to be injury prone.

    Basically, in TNFH’s theoretical redraft league, Mobley would be a lottery pick. Sky high upside and all the indicators that he is on the proper ascent.

    I’d worry less about the Cavs developmental upside and more about the Knicks using their gigantic pick advantage well. We have excess picks to improve. They have already used a lot of their assets for Mitchell and don’t have a lot of ability to fill in any gaps, especially if one of those young players doesn’t pan out.

    So in a league wide redraft there will be teams trying to win now and teams trying to win later.

    For teams trying to win later who are the top big men drafted?

    1. Wemby
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    2. Paolo?
    3. JJJ
    3. Mobley
    4. Chet?
    5. Walker Kessler
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    6. Sengun?

    Unless I’m forgetting someone, I probably don’t have a strong opinion about the rest

    Bill Simmons
    @BillSimmons
    SA trades for Fournier as a Wemby big brother/mentor + gets a protected first or some other asset for their troubles (maybe McDermott is in deal too), which opens the door for NYK to do a bunch of shit this weekend.

    Is this why the Josh Hart extension has been on hold?

    Maybe, if it goes through Josh opts out and re-signs for $18M with enough room to get Donte

    Don’t see any way we get a 1st without sending Grimes or somebody else, which we need to do for Donte

    First, it’s SA that gets a first. And second, this isn’t real, it’s Bill Simmons making random predictions just like any of us could do. I don’t buy it at all.

    It might be necessary to throw 1-2 second round picks into a Fournier deal to just dump him, but the obvious preference would be to make a trade and use his salary as part of the deal. It sucks for him to be buried on the bench when you still have game left. We annihilated his value last year. We may just have to bite the bullet and give something up to free him. I guess if nothing else makes sense, we could buy him out.

    I’d worry less about the Cavs developmental upside and more about the Knicks using their gigantic pick advantage well. We have excess picks to improve. They have already used a lot of their assets for Mitchell and don’t have a lot of ability to fill in any gaps, especially if one of those young players doesn’t pan out.

    You’re not wrong and I don’t disagree with you, but it’s easier to find nuts and bolts than it is to find chrome and leather. We have to prove that we can convert some of the former into the latter.

    Ooh Harden opted in and trades are being discussed. One step closer to Embiid…

    wait, did someone just say we traded evian fournier and a 1st for victor wembanyama…

    i’d just like to go on record saying that i very much approve of this transaction…

    Oh, Jesus, I thought me winding up in the hospital again would be the worst news of the day. The idea that I might have to root for freaking James Harden?

    You’re not wrong and I don’t disagree with you, but it’s easier to find nuts and bolts than it is to find chrome and leather. We have to prove that we can convert some of the former into the latter.

    You still typically need space or picks to find legitimate nuts and bolts to build out a quality bench and add a final starter. You can add here or there with mid levels etc… but that can become a multi year process. They aren’t going to find guys like Quick, Hart, Hart, and Obi easily in one year.

    Granted it’s even harder to find stars, but we only need one.

    I’m not entirely convinced we wouldn’t be a contender if we could add OG, keep Quick, start Quick, and go from there.

    George for Harden makes some sense even it’s just shuffling the deck for one more run before the new CBA for both. But where do the Knicks figure in? Maybe the Sixers reroute George here but for who/what? We can’t want Harden, right? Right???

    sorry to hear that alan hope it’s minor.

    i’m going to assume for sanity that we are rumored as a third team and not a harden destination. hart opted in, so presumably we’ll see an extension soon.

    In better news, Josh Hart opted in, and he’ll surely agree to an extension on the first day he’s eligible to later this summer.

    Maybe it’s a 3-teamer where we get PG?

    How does Harden even fit on this team?

    Re: chrome & leather, it seems, these days, that’s really, like, 5 guys. Meanwhile, getting the 13th best guy on a bad deal is more a way NOT to contend. So you have to be careful and remember that most teams are in this boat. Even young guys we would die for like Mobley and Wemby could easily top out at JJJ and Porzingis—great players but not top-5 guys.

    The Hart news is great. He could’ve made more in 2023-2024 for sure but he’s helping us out. Obviously we’ll likely make him whole with an extension that will provoke only the most normal reactions from everyone here.

    So uh…Harden.

    Would this be a trade for him on a one-year deal, or a trade-and-extend? I kind of like the idea of the former actually, provided the cost is low (I know, it would not be). Any kind of extension would terrify me though.

    Leon basically drafted a 28 yr old Josh Hart with the June 2023 first round pick in February. How is that not a good chess move?

    Harden is not eligible for an extension. So any team that trades for him is only guaranteed to have it for one year.

    Sorry to hear you’re back in the hospital, Alan, i hope you can get well fast.

    I mean, a one-year prove-it deal might be the better way to go for the Knicks. It’s a risk, but if Harden can still be a 1A, the Knicks could make some noise. And if it doesn’t work out, we’d still have a lot of good assets.

    What’s this Harden chatter? I was trying to digest Quickley wanting a 9 figure deal, which i don’t think he deserves, nor it’s sensible given the new CBA, so i’m not aware of non-Knicks news.

    Harden is a class above all the other people mentioned with any degree of seriousness. If the “strategy” is to “trade for a star,” you have to take your swing here.

    Cyber, Harden opted into his deal for next year, with understanding that Sixers will now trade him. Woj said Clippers and Knicks are two teams expected to make a big push.

    Has there been a first ballot Hall of Famer who’s less fun to watch play than The Beard?

    @IanBegley
    Heard Knicks’ interest in James Harden, at the moment, is far from uniform throughout the organization. Clippers have strong interest in trading for Harden. Would assume LAC’s interest is stronger than NYK’s presently. ESPN 1st reported Knicks’ interest in trading for Harden

    If the Knicks can’t win an asset battle with the Clippers, we shouldn’t be hearing too much more about this “strategy” of “trading for a star.”

    Im not sure there is some big trade with Harden waiting. The simplest explanation is that no one was willing to to pay him $36M and he decided to take the money.

    @StevePopper
    Wouldn’t rule the Knicks out of harden talks — but much more likely as a three-team deal with NYK stepping in as PG destination. He is due $45.6m this coming season with a player option for $48.7m in 2024-25 so some math it would take.

    Dammit Alan, quit needing to go to the hospital already!! Hope that all gets sorted out for good this time

    Oh wow, we are going to trade for Harden and then OG, aren’t we?

    Obi + Frenchy + a first for Harden

    Quickley + Grimes + 2 firsts for OG

    NEW LINEUP: Brunson/Harden/OG/Randle/Mitch
    BENCH:
    RJ/Donte/Hart/iHart with a splash of Deuce

    Looks like the Harden talk is more about PG to the Knicks as part of a 3 team but then what would the 76ers get out of it?

    Enough about Harden and Hart already… We’ve made a QO to Duane Washington Jr!!!

    Thanks for good wishes, guys. One of these years, I will get to see Frank in person somewhere outside his place of work.

    This works:

    RJ/Grimes/Fournier to 76ers

    Harden to Clips

    PG to NY

    We sign Donte to replace Grimes

    Cyber, Harden opted into his deal for next year, with understanding that Sixers will now trade him. Woj said Clippers and Knicks are two teams expected to make a big push.

    Thanks, Alan. Well, it makes sense, because if we’re now slated to give Hart the extension, probably the max we can offer, which is around 4/80M according to Begley, that means we’ll go deep in the tax. And if we go deep in the tax, we need to have stars to justify the move. Harden fits the bill, but i agree he’s not fun to watch. After thinking a little, i think iso Randle is also not fun to watch, so we’re kind of used to it already. 😉

    Sorry to hear it Alan.

    Harden would be an upgrade on RJ.

    I literally have no idea what’s going to happen although nothing seams to be on the inside rail

    And how many picks are we talking about, EB?

    It’ll depend a lot on how much the 76ers value RJ & Grimes and how much leverage they feel they have with Harden. Really don’t want to think about it, lol

    There may be some issues with empty roster spots & the full MLE to get Donte

    I’d rather have Harden than PG. He’s been better and healthier than him over the last few years, and they are the same age.

    harden doesn’t defend (he does the lazy melo swipe at the ball thing) – and he can’t shoot consistently…

    no thanks on harden…shit definitely would take maxey or the mini-bus guy…

    Best wishes Alan.

    I would rather have PG than Harden, but I wouldn’t give up the farm for either of them.

    Alan, hang in there man. Your work doesn’t need promotion, but on the off chance anyone isn’t aware Alan’s been killing it with various reviews lately.

    It’s still pretty unclear what’s going on here, but I tried my hand:

    Knicks get: Paul George
    Sixers get: Norm Powell, RJ Barrett, TBD picks from the Knicks
    Clippers get: James Harden, Evan Fournier

    Obviously, the problem here is that the Sixers are decidedly not looking to jumpstart any kind of rebuild while they have Embiid. I presume they’d either immediately trade RJ and the picks, or loop in a fourth team.

    Okay, waiving Roby & DaQuan and replacing them with Keeps, Duane, and a player with 2yrs of service on a min deal gets us a little more than the full MLE alongside the above trade…

    …I think. Fanspo’s FAs & waiving players did some funky stuff that didn’t really seem to show up correctly but I’m too lazy toake a spread sheet right now

    I’m against all this lunacy.

    I’d rather bring back Kevin Knox than any of these fat broken down has beens. At least I’m going to make money betting the under.

    Sorry to hear, Alan…shitty way to start a summer. 🙁
    Hope your are back to 100% soon!

    God please don’t trade a bunch of our young players and picks for Paul George or James Harden.

    I refuse to believe that this FO would be stupid enough to do anything as reckless and rash as what is being discussed. There is no word where James Harden makes sense on this team. There are a probably 2 0r 3 worlds scattered about the billions of galaxies that make up the universe where Paul George might make a modicum of sense. So I’m calling BS on all of these rumors.

    Mo Bamba was just waived by the Lakers, can we land him on a minimum deal?

    [extremely fake Regina George voice]
    Stop trying to make Mo Bamba to the Knicks happen, Z-man! It’s not gonna happen!

    I really want to see Roby play for the knicks, if only because he looks like the default MyPlayer on the NBA2K games

    I was into Roby until I saw the other day that he’s 6’5”… we have enough 6’5” guys.

    Re: chrome & leather, it seems, these days, that’s really, like, 5 guys.

    That’s the problem I’m having right now: you can argue that the names linked to possibly Knick trade targets are better offensively than most of our starters but are not true chrome and leather players but are paid like they are. I mean, who are the chrome and leather guys that are under, say, age 27, that are remotely gettable?

    what are we going to do with a 34 year old James Harden/Jalen Brunson back court?

    Guys don’t really get considered as chrome and leather until they earn it. They graduate to chrome and leather in the playoffs. If we can add an upgrade to SF (or if RJ takes a step forward), we might just get to the Eastern conference finals. If a couple of guys go off during that playoff run, then suddenly they aren’t perceived the same way.

    I still don’t see how DD is going to make us any better. Whose minutes is he going to take that makes us a better team? I’m lobbying for giving Quickley MORE minutes and one of biggest potential upsides is Grimes in year 3 with a full summer and camp being healthy.

    The only things that make any sense to me is if there is also a trade that moves of the overlapping wing guys (it won’t be Hart) or TNFH’s point from the other day that we should just view him as a solid asset. Then down the line if a great trade comes along that has to for example include Grimes, you can slide DD into some minutes and not really lose anything.

    Still, I think there are going to be issues with minutes and keeping all these guys happy.

    Yeah, DD only makes sense if they plan to make a trade. But, well, they plan to make a trade, ya know? Clearly, so it will make sense then (well, you know, it will make more sense than just adding DD to the current roster).

    My latest idea. Fournier and Toppin for D’Andre Hunter.

    Hawks pick up a young player and expiring contract to get off Hunter’s long contract. The Knicks get SF/PF that can shoot the 3 better than Toppin/RJ, more size at 3 when needed, and a backup PF when needed. The Hunter contract is not exactly favorable, but it solves some problems and also makes RJ more expendable in another trade.

    The Hunter contract is not exactly favorable, but it solves some problems and also makes RJ more expendable

    Why have one RJ Barrett when you can have two!

    The Hunter contract is not exactly favorable, but it solves some problems and also makes RJ more expendable in another trade.

    What problems does it solve? Seems like we added another rotation player when we’re trying to consolidate.

    We also need to get something back for helping them dump a bad contract while also giving them Toppin

    Yeah, if things were different, taking on Hunter to try to fix him (which seems like it is doable) would make some sense, but I don’t think it fits with this particular roster (and certainly not with this CBA). Heck, let’s say that I believe Hunter would be better on this team than RJ, it still wouldn’t make sense to trade the two, since RJ has some actual trade value while Hunter has nil, so you’d be wasting RJ’s trade value on Hunter (now, if you traded RJ and then acquired Hunter in a separate deal where the Hawks kick in picks, that’d be interesting. Didn’t they trade away their picks, though?).

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