The Knicks are finally fully healthy again as they head to Toronto to take on the Toronto Raptors, who are missing a couple of guys.
If the Knicks want an opportunity to get back to .500, tonight should be the night. The Raptors just lost to the OKC Thunder, the same team that set a record this season for the biggest loss in NBA history.
HOW DOES 56 WINS LOOK? Oh, you thought I meant THIS season, I meant in Thibs’ tenure as Knicks coach. Well on the way to hitting that mark.
As for the all-poll content…Sorry, there are no polls available at the moment.
Let’s go Knicks!
270 replies on “2021-22 Game Thread: Knicks @ Raptors”
I’m in love for the first time
Don’t you know it’s gonna last
It’s a love that lasts forever
It’s a love that had no past
yeah, i’m still stuck on a couple of days ago…one real nice thing from the movie – i never really paid that close attention to either Dig a Pony or I’ve got a Feeling (which i really enjoy a lot)…all time fave beatles tune though is still A Day in the Life…
noticed something weird as i was watching the rooftop performance again, towards the end some people on one of the other roofs yelled over and said hi, Paul said hello back in an odd manner, and then imitated a gunshot in the direction of John…kind of creepy…i imagine at that point they had probably run in to many security concerns with “fans”…
oops, just noticed, the lyrics i copied have the word had instead of has…big difference…sorry to let you down…
It seems like it’s far enough into the season that some teams are figuring out they aren’t as good as they hoped to be and now the trade market is opening up. It’s also almost the fifteenth, when many players become tradeable. I wouldn’t be surprised to see trades happening at the end of this week.
I don’t really want the Knicks to panic and do much, but I think they could be a third team that assists two other teams to make a big trade.
I think before every game we should give out our Nnaji Award, a prediction for which complete unknown will torch the Knicks
My vote tonight: Yuta Watanabe
Let’s Go Knicks!
Let’s gooooo, Knicks!
Please get Noel off this team
man…Noelle has turned into a rotten pumpkin this yr…10 million down the drain
After enduring a full year of Plague I find Kemba’s exile to Siberia a bit confusing…
Really glad Fournier had time to smoke a Gauloises and hit that wide open 3 after hesitating on the FIRST wide open three.
Could you have a worst start than Noel? Pathetic effort on both ends. Mitch time.
I have mixed emotions on the Kemba thing. I think there’s still room for some minutes for him especially since we aren’t tearing it up without him.
This team thrives when it pays unselfishly. How we have this figured out and the team doesn’t is perplexing.
Fuck this team
Might be studying for finals by halftime
We’re really missing Kemba’s rebounding prowess…
Great defense guys !
Watching Scottie Barnes play basketball makes me tempted to advocate for a mini tank
Good thing we started Nerlens
What else is on TV tonight?
JFC this is embarrassing.
Thank goodness I have to go to the wife’s work party. Contracting Covid has to be better than this.
at least the rangers are on
So the Knicks have two rebounds total compared to the raptors nine
The starters are still out of whack. Fournier seems to be the odd duck.
Everybody is still on the “let’s keep this team” camp?
Yeah blow it up
I surrender. I’m turning it off.
I’m watching “My Stepmother is an Alien”.
We’re almost in the D-Mar plan… go down by 20 early, to have a lot of time to make the comeback! 😛
The Knicks starters are extremely unathletic.
Final score, 120 to 40?
If you hadn’t watched any other Knicks games but this one you’d be really baffled how this team has won 12 games
Burke is uncomfortable in his new role and we lost him as a spot up shooter,
Barrett’s back to his rookie year, same for Randle,
Fournier is slow and defers too much, what a mess…
Not watching but checked to box. Apparently we suck
play the kidz
Exactly. It was a nice try, but please give up, it’s not helping the starters and has messed up the 2nd unit.
Yeah we should blow it up
“We suck” is not enough to describe what we’re witnessing.
The Knicksiest thing in the world is having a fools gold playoff season after a decade long drought, locking in that roster, and then watching them regress into a mediocre lottery team
I have to say, I don’t understand why we are this bad. I can see being around 0.500, but playing this badly two games in a row?
Cyber, we are gonna make a comeback but will run out of gas in the 4th quarter and lose by 10
If last year was the 2013 style season where lots of things fell just right for the knicks, is this the 2014 season where the FO proves just how out of touch it is and lucky it was as it pursues winning short term by trading for Bargnani?
Like, is Kemba + Fournier looking all that different from Bargnani? Big difference is we didn’t give up any picks.
Bucks and GSW coming up hopefully they put us out of our misery
I miss Austin Rivers games.
It’s violence to anyone still watching this shit to play Obi any less than 36 minutes tonight. He’s all we got.
Yeah, i’m not even comfortable enough to make my crazy predictions.
Toppin with a three point shot would be a much better player
Great block by Mitch
Clyde it is indeed noteworthy we are starting to percolate with Randle and RJ on the bench
Toronto fans aren’t too worried , they know we’ll have to put our starters back in at some point.
So the next step is to hire a “franchise saviour” in Phil Jackson? 😀
Single digit… they’re coming alive! 🙂
This exactly and why I say start Deuce. Rose starting would do the same to the second unit. Deuce would screw up now and again but I’ll put good money we don’t go down 20 in the first quarter anymore.
Agreed. I’m with you, brother.
Its nice having athleticism out there
phi slamma obi
The Knicks! Lmao!
Well, that turned around quickly
and we’re back!
Well who saw that coming??
Keep the team! LOL
God this team is so Jekyll and Hyde haha
Do I have to go to my wife’s work party? I might catch Covid…
I’ve watched this whole game and I still can’t really tell you how it’s tied but it’s pretty clear Obi Toppin is the key to salvaging anything from this boringly hellish season
Jekyll and Hyde man.
Good things happen when you move the fucking ball….
Yeah, Obi is our best player I guess
I want to fight whoever told Clyde about +/-
i ditch social gatherings all the time raven…maybe your stomach doesn’t feel so well tonight, staying home might be for the best…
We seem to be doing well without a center on the court
Randle dumb turnover, Barnes three. The man is unlucky…
Here we go again…
it’s torture watching Randle…you can see the turnover comin a mile away
Sometimes I want to murder Randle
Barnes is athletic. Holy shit
3 consecutive turnovers for our All-Star. Unbelievable.
but thibs won’t punish his pet pupil…anyone else there on the bench after that bullshit
I can’t stand Randle.
How come we do this sh*t of having to shoot with 3 or less seconds left in the clock all the time?
2 times a Raptor has gone the length of the court unimpeded.
The 90’s Knicks are embarrassed
Randle is a joke
He missed the last three and didn’t even try to come back on defense on the Raptors dunk…
I don’t know who suggested a Randle for Fox trade 2 or 3 threads ago, but i’m starting to be open to that kind of move.
So the bench got us back to a tie at 36 and then the raptors out scored us 14 to 6 with most of the starters in
I’m okay with that and so desperate for Randle’s low BB-IQ that I’m wondering if he can become the “top-25 player” the Sixers get for Simmons…
Both trades will give us a non-shooting slasher, Fox is a better shooter, Simmons a very good defender and rebounder.
You were right, but it all happened in just one half. 😉
It’s awful and it’s been all season with him. And his extension doesn’t start until next year.
I feel like I’m on one of those spinning amusement park rides that leaves you disoriented and nauseous, and you wonder why the fuck people pay for that experience…
That would be amazing. Simmons’ defense at MSG? It’d bring the house down. 😉
Noel finally giving us something
Well we did win that one playoff game
Those RJ long lefty layup bricks are horrendous
Does Barrett have small hands or something? He has absolutely no finesse on his drives.
“The Knicks last lead… 2-nothing”
Nice start, good ball movement and better defense (until the last fastbreak),
even missed shots were “good”, let’s hope they can continue this way…
P.S. Barrett’s drives are inexplicable…
That was on Randle I hate to say it … he was the man furthest back when that RJ layup UFO went up and Noel was engaged trying to get an offensive rebound… Fournier also back .. neither recognized the sprinting near 7 footer
What a dumb shot Julius
put the good players in
Knicks call timeout to give up 5 straight and have terrible offense
I think we should trade every starter
Rebounding is fundamental
whoa RJ scored at the rim
Siakam trying to out Randle Randle
Maybe we’ll win this one, after all. We’re just waiting for the 4th quarter to put the dagger.
1) RJ’s finishing is probably prohibitive in terms of him ever becoming an all-star
2) Obi should go up strong there instead of trying the finesse stuff
Some of RJ’s finishes are so bad they look like attempted Kobe assists.
I maintain that every starter should be traded
That must have been a real, I am too old for this shit moment for Rose, taking that charge.
Although he is ten years younger than me so who am I calling old….
It’s really weird that we have to wonder what would happen if coach played our good players more than our bad ones.
Not sure I can remember someone stuffing Mitch like that
i am going to pretend mitch was not blocked by svi try not ruin it for me
That was pretty humiliating
Just tuned in to see Mitch get rejected. Ummm, wha?
come on now
That was a weak call on toppin
I think that they are seriously going to pull this off!
Overtime tonight … I’d like to get the win and the over
We need to hire Tyson to teach these assholes how to set a screen
TIL Obi’s points/36 was higher than his career high in actual points
Nice end of the shot clock by IQ to get Obi that 3.
Yeah, “15 points! A career high!” What is this, 1994? Remember when Houston getting 30 points was a huge deal?
The Vegas in game line just swung three points after the Cronin jinx came into play….
I don’t see us winning this game. The starters are about to come in and play the end of the fourth quarter and we don’t have the lead.
They are going to win this one just to be nice to me!
yeah Owen that’s bc I just bet my house on toronto
Nice Rose 1 on 3.
So this is the “Free Obi” game?
Obi is fucking fast for a big guy
Obi is doing things I haven’t seen a Knick player do ever
Obi’s make things happen, he’s stil very raw, but the energy, the speed, the verticality, the cuts create space for the others… after a terrible start last year he’s growing into a real pace-changer…
it’s rare you see a player just out athlete the entire court the way obi is doing
That was a flagrant to me. Can’t hit a guy in the head like that.
Yes! Stupid refs…
Toppin LoL … keep shooting buddy !! He’ll get there
Who needs to guard VanVleet?
RJ should’ve checked in for Rose not Burks.
Obi stop shooting 3s challenge
It just doesn’t make
Much sense now does it
Scottie Barnes looks better than RJ
Aaaand, Toppin knows his homework for the summer: 500 threes a day…
Bad game for Quickley tonight.
“Dubious” is right.
Knicks desperately need a fucking Point Guard.
We do NOT have enough willpower to take the lead …
I don’t think Quickley has hit a big shot in a few weeks …
I want to punch whoever was responsible for leaving FVV open in the face.
Obi’s free throw stroke is so pure, too bad he can’t make an open 3 to save his life
Barnes is built like Scottie Pippen. I am impressed. That’s the kind of physicality RJ can only dream about.
He’ll get there. Didn’t check the stats, but FT shooting seems much improved.
On league pass feed I was watching him shoot around at half time … he was hitting effortless threes barely jumping… a few at least …
Also, this lineup is not the answer in my opinion
Wait. The Knicks completed a pick and roll.
Barnes gonna be a star in this league
Prove me wrong!
Nice way to draw that foul!
That RJ floater was hideous, Knox-esque even, but cool I guess
They probably should have tried to rebound one of those missed threes.
Get a rebound for fucks sake
GRAB A FUCKING REBOUND!!!!!!
It was working until ….
Okay, Tom. Draw it up.
Shitty rebounding is one of the main reasons we suck so bad
Why do I feel like Taj is helpful in small ball lineups
The classic Julius fadeaway with 2 seconds on the clock?
rj froze out Fournier…must not like him
Everybody afraid to shoot the fucking ball…
I like how they show the replay angle where you can’t tell at all.
I want to have a job at the replay center …
Wow, Julius might be right
Oh ye of little faith!
I’m surprised we get 14 seconds in shot clock
That’s really a mockery of the challenge system, though.
We can’t run a play we can’t play defense and we can’t get rebounds
Totally cool with that Randle 3, but what the fuck was the possession before it?
Come on, OT!
I can’t watch this team anymore, it’s not good for my health.
On the second to last possession Randle had Fournier free not once but twice and didn’t give him the ball…
How does 12-16 sound to everyone?
TT: “So go down under the basket and run into whoever you see there. Maybe we’ll get a foul.”
That play looked like a rugby scrum. I don’t know. Baffling
Yeah, Randle’s shot was a good play, it just didn’t went in.
Friday night Knicks ruin my Fridays
That was a foul on Barrett.
Yeah, saw that too. RJ did the same earlier I think.
Why in hell wasn’t Quick there for the 3P ?
On the plus side the Cronin jinx is undefeated.
This is like a 35 win team.
A boring, headed nowhere, mediocre “win now” team that is not ready to win now, with lots of overpriced veterans, and young players who have role player upside. Purgatory. It’s cool, I can do another 20 years of this standing on my head
Don’t panic, we’re only 2 games under .500.
Just as the Raptors, that are missing 4 rotation players including OG…
It’s becoming increasingly clear that we need Elfriid Payton back.
Murphy’s law. Anything that can wrong, will go wrong. On the verge of ignoring this team till they get their act together. Too frustrating to watch.
That sequence that ended with the Gary Trent Jr. 3 was just mindboggling
Prolly because Taj would get every single rebound on offense and defense and half the loose balls. 😉
We’re locked in with this boring ass team for at least one more year
when you think about it, the whole season could qualify for the Cronin Jinx after his 56 win campaign.
I don’t know what is a foul anymore, and i think the refs don’t know it too. Sometimes they call it one way, and others they call it the other, on the same type of fouls.
Maybe we should have waited for Durant
Nah Durant is sad because he’s not on the “cool” Knicks
I can’t watch Randle play anymore. It’s too painful. It’s worse than watching Melo. We will never ever win anything with him on the team. He’s the lowest IQ player on the court almost every night. All he does is hold the ball, wait for double teams or dribble into them, and then either take a terrible shot, force a tough pass, or turn the ball over. He’s the embodiment of everything that can be bad about basketball. He’s the anti-Stratomatic and this is the apocalypse.
Never hire a gladhanding agent for a job best performed by a guy who actually knows things about a sport
Obi isn’t boring but yeah.
Siakim gave RJ a subtle hip check. Will be interesting to see what the 2 minute report says about it.
Wally makes me sick.
I’m trying to be positive, so it’s at most one more year of this.
Sad text from my son: “I’m starting to check out Tankathon”
If it’s because Randle’s missing him, I’d rather send him packing too…
This team totally miss chemistry,
the Thibs’ “originals” scapegoat everything on Kemba (2-5 after the change)
and now they’re using Fournier the same way, as a fucking excuse…
Fox (who just missed two clutch FTs), Turner, Sabonis, Simmons,
I’ll trade Randle straight up for one of them tomorrow…
Hahn — “Execution in the half court for this team is a problem” — No shit, Sherlock.
And — I totally disagree with pulling Obi after the bad threes. He knew to chill. He def. would have gotten a rebound before the Trent Jr. three.
I heartily agree, except the apocalypse part…. 🙂
Who are the core pieces here we want to build around? Obi and Quickley? That seems less than ideal.
Somebody call Sam Hinkie
I already did it this week. 😛
This is a bit harsh. Leon has made it clear that the goal is to be reasonably competitive now while maintaining flexibility for the future. Clearly the Fournier/Kemba transaction was a loser and the Fournier deal is starting to stink like thanksgiving leftovers in the back of the basement fridge. But with the contracts and picks that we have, this team can be turned over in a heartbeat .
I agree that Leon has made errors but nothing he’s done is unrecoverable. Let’s see what happens after 12/15.
Drafting Kendall Brown will make up for this surely
Ah, just got in and see the loss. This team has raised losing to an undermanned opponent to high art, like Beethoven’s symphonies or Shakespeare’s problem comedies.
No way, Burks can get you, like, a lottery pick and three seconds and Rose can probably get you two top five picks. They’re not locked in with these guys at all.
Obi, IQ and RJ all are similar in that they have tantalizing strengths but a the end of the day they are deeply flawed. I’m not sure which one I’d favor keeping out of the three.
At the end of last season, we talked a lot about how their surprisingly good performance in 2020-21 was a dangerous place for any GM to be in. Even a good one would have been tempted to stick with the 2020-21 team and hope they could add someone in 2023. I think a better GM would have ignored the temptation, but the temptation is incredibly strong. Blowing up a #4 seed when you can bring basically everyone back for mid-level deals is a tough thing to say no to. Many, many GMs wouldn’t have been able to. I think a really good GM would have, though.
Trading the #19 pick was also a very bad idea. Even when they were 5-1, trading the #19 pick was a bad idea.
As much as I like RJ, trading him last year would have been peak Danny Ainge sell high brilliant.
Excellent question. I’d go IQ. IQ has irreplaceable 2022 NBA skills. Obi is a bit like empty calorie fun, while RJ is like paying someone $25 million to kick you in the dick.
Still gotta be RJ no? He clearly has the biggest upside but the impending contract situation is the biggest issue.
Right, because if we made that pick, Jalen or Keon would be leading us to…uh…mmmm…
Again, I wish they had just picked McBride with #19 and Grimes at #21 just to shut down this irritating talking point.
I’d favor IQ out of those 3 for his shooting even though its a little down this year. When teams start daring Obi to shoot he wont be dunking on every posession which we saw at the end of this game.
I agree that the team CAN be turned around. But I look at Leon Rose and I don’t see somebody with creative solutions to things, nor do I see somebody who is going to say “this isn’t working out, we need to go with more youth.”
We’re doing the thing I hate most, which is going into “win now” mode then winning 35 games. Bleccchh.
They’d be the same bad team…but also have Jalen or Keon. That’s an improvement over their current situation. Or, best case scenario, they’d be a good team and have Jalen or Keon. Also an improvement.
Yeah, but that’s the rub. He may be the most likely to be an albatross down the road.
MSG still playing those Kemba spots about “earning this city’s respect.” I mean someone gotta fix that, right?
If we had that pick, we’d have a player we could start to develop, with the hopes that you have a useful piece in a few years. Nobody is saying we’d be winning right now if we had Jalen Johnson, that is not really an honest characterization of this situation.
The idea was that we didn’t need another young player taking up a roster spot because we were going to be so good. The worse this team plays, the worse that trade looks.
Prior to last season I was one of the more optimistic people predicting they’d win 30 games. I’m beginning to wish they had done so instead of winning 41 games even though last season was so much unexpected fun. Winning 30 games would’ve shown improvement but still gotten them a lottery pick and allowed a continued slower rebuild. But like Brian mentioned there’s no way after the season they just had that voluntarily taking a step back would’ve gone over well.
Season is still very early and I’m still optimistic that this team will eventually go on a good run and at the very least finish in the play in tourney but going to be very interesting to see how active they will be prior to the trade deadline.
>>>Blowing up a #4 seed when you can bring basically everyone back for mid-level deals is a tough thing to say no to. <<<
I think the strategy of trying to build on last year's success was sound. It was the execution of it that was horrible. There were much better moves out there than Kemba Walker and French Hardaway.
If we had done what Chicago did, for instance (and we could have), we'd be looking at:
And, of course, we could have the two Johnsons lighting up the G League with Deuce.
That's a nice alternate timeline. Instead we got Leon's offseason from hell, and now here we are.
I have to admit how pissed I am at this team right now. It’s not all of them but the starting lineup is playing like trash. It seems that if the ball swings to Fournier that there’s a 3 our of 4 chance he launches it. Randle doesn’t have a real point guard to break down the defense and feed him the ball. He is forced into hero ball. I love Burks as a starter, but damn, we need a starting point guard. I also want to see more of Taj.
well, we lost, again…ugh, i’ve actually watched the last couple of losses…
thankfully, it can only get better, or worse, or maybe stay the same…
it’s definitely not just a matter of bad luck concerning the 14 losses we’ve accumulated to date…at times it really looks like we can play okay…
tell me if you heard this one before – we really need a starting point guard…
This offseason was also I think the 3rd time in recent memory taking a low cost flier on Ricky Rubio would have been a good idea.
I was going to make a point about how even the dynasty Bulls both made their first round picks and used them, and that’s true, but they also literally drafted a guy at #29 overall one year, Travis Knight, and cut him rather than sign him to a contract! Okay, now that’s truly wasting a pick. Krause then whined about how in the old days, you were allowed to see a guy play in training camp before having to commit to a contract for him, but now you had to sign them to a contract first and he didn’t want to commit the three-year deal. Then why did you not trade the pick, dummy?
I think we need Theo Pinson to urge everyone on 😉
Or alternatively, the idea was that we have enough young guys on the roster that we felt there was more of a market for an unscratched lottery ticket than a scratched one .
At this point in time, I think the valuation of either Jalen or Keon is marginally different from the valuation of the protected CHA pick. If ATL wanted to trade Jalen Johnson right now, what do you think they could get for him? If LAC wanted to trade Keon Johnson right now, what do you think they could get for him? Would any team give up a likely lottery pick for either of them? My guess is that they could get maybe a lottery-protected first at best, and probably not even that.
You kid, Knick fan in NJ, but this team was tied at 1 with Atlanta when Payton was taken out of the lineup, and it’s been all downhill since then. Just like his mom predicted.
Teams are already daring Obi to shoot. He was wide open for threes almost three times in a row and each time Randall passed to him and he missed.
That would be a horrible outcome. We’d be capped out with zero flexibility and locked into mediocrity for the next 5 years. And check back with me when Jalen or Keon play a few productive minutes in the NBA. It may be a while (like forever)
It doesn’t matter what the Johnsons would net in a trade today because the point of having them was to bring them along slowly like Atlanta and LA are doing. They’re both still 19 years old. You develop them for two years and hope to have a pair of useful 21 year olds.
I do kid. I’ve always agreed with what you say about Payton.
No actually that’s the outcome we did get. In the alternate outcome, we’re good.
Or you don’t and you preserve the sure value of that pick (stipulating that they should have made a better deal for it) rather than the hope that you will have a useful 21yo in a couple of years. Or you draft a 21yo in a couple of years. Or you pick up a 21yo that a good team let go and hope you have a useful 23yo in a couple of years.
There is no sure value of the Charlotte pick. We hope it doesn’t convert to a 2nd round pick.
Overall we did alright in the draft. We got four players who all look reasonable or good for where they were picked. Maybe they could have made a better deal for the 19th pick, but it’s not a disaster that they have a modest trade asset instead.
I don’t know how you could argue that we have zero flexibility either right now and 2 years from now, whether compared to your scenario or to the Bulls. You seem to forget that DeRozan was a sign and trade involving picks going out, or that CHI already had LaVine and Vuc on their roster. When they max LaVine they will be hard capped and will have no draft capital. We would have slightly more flexibility, but if we made those deals, how far could that team go? What could you do with a core of DeRozan, Ball, and Randle?
Yes, they’d be easier on the eyes now, but that would have been a very bad path to take.
Well, it turns out we’re a pretty mediocre team. I know hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but it seems to me that if you’re mediocre and you’re trying to get better, you’d kinda want a young player on your roster now and not in 2024 or whenever the thing conveys. We weren’t really in the position to turn our nose up at young talent, but whatever. This team is dreary and it would have been nice to have another piece to dream on.
There absolutely is sure value in it right now because it is by far more likely to convert as a first than as 2 seconds and there’s a reasonable chance that it will convert as a higher pick than #19. There’s even an outside chance that the protections are dropped because CHA can’t trade any future firsts until this pick transfers. Sure, some value is lost because of the possibility that it will convert to 2 seconds, but probably not much until year 3 if CHA regresses and looks like they’re stuck in the lottery.
Lottery-protected firsts are traded all the time, even those that convert to seconds after several years.
We could lose the next 56 games of the season and Z-man would still defend Leon Rose’s offseason. I don’t know how much more evidence you need that your golden god was a false idol.
But why do you assume that we are going to exercise the pick rather than packaging it in a trade? Isn’t it pretty clear that our path out of mediocrity is going to involve trading for better players, using either picks or young players to do so? It that’s the case, then the question of whether the pick you make will have more value than the pick you save for later becomes pretty important.
You clearly have selective reading when it comes to my posts, willfully ignoring anything I say that is critical of Leon and Thibs so that you can beat the same stupid drum.
Well I’m back, with or without Covid, we’ll just have to see, but seems like I didn’t miss much. And with the loss comes the Re-litigation Rag, so g’night gents.
frank looked good tonight…….not
Okay, I had to check the scores and how dare you, Pepper… KP rocks an impressive minus 21, Bullocks minus 11 with zero points in 21 scintillating minutes, while Frank, with only a personal foul to his name, is plus 4.
It’s magic, I tell ya…
Z-man, I agree we have flexibility. It’s not the same flexibility as cap space but we have tradeable players and picks. Most teams in the NBA are over the cap more than we are and many have fewer assets, and I think we can do stuff if opportunities arise. But I have to say that a core of Derozan, Ball and Randle along with our center trio sounds pretty good to me.
The last time they had “flexibility,” they spent all their cap room on Derrick Rose, Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel, and Evan Fournier, and incinerated the 19th pick in the draft.
They should have been in the lottery last year. The empty building year was pure fools gold and it was pretty clear (obvious, really) after they got creamed in the playoffs by the 5 seed. I agree that it would have been tough to act on the realization, but in a hypercompetitive environment, that’s what you have to do.
They’re 7-13 in their last 20 against a not-difficult schedule. They aren’t even mediocre right now. The absolute worst thing they can do now is yet another band-aid move to try to salvage a playoff spot. They should be sellers at the deadline, not buyers. They desperately need young legs and young talent in the organization and the only way to get that is through the draft and better yet, the lottery.
They should trade Randle and normalize the offense and the roster. Broken record on this one.
I’m not sure where you go with Tom Thibodeau as the coach given the true reality of where you are. I don’t see any purpose in keeping him around to squeeze out the occasional Thibs win and continue to agitate for his older guys and continue to bleat to Berman about Bullock and continue to do things like intentionally and willingly play Alec Burks starters’ minutes at point guard. Is he the right coach for the true place they’re in as an organization and the best path forward? Probably not.
And is RJ shooting like Zach LaVine in this alternate universe? Also don’t forget that while DeMar has been an awesome signing so far, he’s 32 and it’s still only been 24 games.
I’ve come down to one conclusion… if Vildoza had stayed on the roster, he’d been our PG in place of the Burks experiment. What about that? There must be a guy in Spain totally frustrated for the missed opportunity.
Please, don’t envy the Bulls until you check how they do in the playoffs. The saying is you can hide a bad defender in the playoffs (eg, Hawks and Trae), but you can’t hide two. Let’s wait to see how they’ll hide THREE (Lavine, DeRozan and Vuc).
I tend to agree, although I do think this is a rare opportunity for teams to make a finals run with Kyrie, Kawhi, and Simmons out of the mix.
I agree. If the bench is outperforming the starters so badly, what do you really have to lose?
I think the older starters (except Fournier) *may* be able to sold off piecemeal because I think they’re better individually than the sum of their parts.
I wonder if Portland is our mark. They seem to want to make one more run with Lillard.
I read the post where you said having the Bulls off-season would have been a horrible outcome. That’s just insane, dude. It is literally impossible, with hindsight, to genuinely believe that Leon’s off-season moves were better than the other ones that the Bulls showed were available. You have to either be trolling or thoroughly committed to an agenda to make that statement.
PS Ayo Dosunmu was the win now player Leon was looking for.
If the best thing you can say about a bad off-season is that it’s flexible enough to only fuck up 1 or 2 seasons, I mean….
re: Z-Man’s ridiculous proclamation that we would have been “locked into mediocrity for 5 years” with the Bulls off-season, I counter that the 4 year deals signed by Ball and Caruso have more flexibility (i.e. the ability to be moved for an asset) than any of the two year deals for Burks, Noel, and Kemba.
the three year deal for DeRozan was and still is a risk, but I don’t believe for a second that the three year deal we gave to French Hardaway can ever be moved without picks attached to it.
The Knicks’ record over the last 20 games, against a not-difficult schedule, is worse than Mike Miller put up with the 19-20 Knicks.