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A longtime Knicks fan told the Daily News that James Dolan asked him to leave his band’s concert a few years ago after he held up a sign telling the sensitive billionaire to “Quit your day job. Sell the Knicks.”
Kevin DiStasio posted video of the incident showing Dolan interrupt his performance…
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Nets guard D’Angelo Russell claims he’s moved on from his exit with the Lakers, now focused on leading his team to the playoffs this spring, Stefan Bondy of the New York Daily News writes. The Lakers made a surprising move by trading Russell and center Timofey Mozgov to Brooklyn in 2017, bringing in Brook Lopez […]
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SAN ANTONIO — Knicks center DeAndre Jordan doesn’t have much love lost for the Mavericks, who traded him amid his first season in Dallas. Asked to reflect on his pulling an Anthony Barr five years ago and reneging on a city after agreeing to terms as a free agent, Jordan doesn’t have an ounce of…
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SAN ANTONIO – That’s what friends are for. Coach David Fizdale, reacting to owner James Dolan raising the stakes on the Knicks’ free-agent chances, said his NBA confidants have told him he’s done a “big time’’ job setting the Knicks up for a summer of grandeur. In taking a dig at the media for its…
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On Sunday, April 7, the Knicks will host the second annual Knicks 9/11 Memorial Stair Climb Presented by Chase at Madison Square Garden,
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Zion Williamson, a possible future Knick depending on the NBA Draft Lottery, was sensational in his return to Duke’s lineup Thursday night, scoring 29 points and going a perfect 13-for-13 from the field.
[NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: DeMarcus Cousins and the Golden State Soap Opera (Thursday, March 14, 2019 10:23:42 PM)
Scoring down low, passing out of the post, setting meaty screens — Cousins does things that the Warriors have seldom featured.
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You’re sort of right. I thought Clark stood in for Randolph once. I did some googling and realized that they actually just featured his recorded music.
Either way, the man’s a legend. Get yourself to the Beacon next week if you can.
Not to turn this into Giantsblogger, but I’m afraid Gettleman does have a plan. After yesterday’s incredibly stupid signing, I think I can see the outline of it.
1. He still believes you can win with Eli Manning, so he is not in rebuilding mode. He is – inexplicably – still in the same win now mode he was in last year. Yesterday proved this. Not only is he signing a 31 y/o WR, but he actually forfeited a 3rd round pick to do it! (Per Bill Barnwell, the Giants were scheduled to receive a 3rd round pick for losing Landon Collins, but now that goes to the Eagles bc we signed Tate).
2. He does know he needs a young QB and wants to draft Eli’s replacement and pull the Mahomes/Chiefs sit-and-wait move.
3. He’s not going to use all those draft picks to execute the rebuild the team clearly needs. He’s going to use it to move up in the draft and take Haskins. I like Haskins, but I’m not sure he’s worth the 6 pick, and he definitely isn’t worth giving up a Wentz/Trubinsky haul to move up for when the team has holes everywhere.
The way he sees it is he swapped Beckham and Collins for Tate and Peppers, saved money, stayed competitive, and picked up enough draft capital to trade up for Haskins. He thinks the Giants will be good next year, like the 2017 Chiefs were with Alex Smith before Mahomes stepped in.
Honest to god I think that’s his plan. It’s the worst plan I can possibly imagine for this roster that desperately needs to be rebuild, but that’s his plan. Why else would he give up a 3rd round pick to sign a 31 year old WR?
I think he seriously underestimates the dropoff from Beckham and Collins to Tate and Peppers.
Remember we used to think there was a Friday Night Knicks jinx because it seemed like we lost all our Friday games? Now we lose every night of the week!
Gary Clark Jr. is amazing….
This from Netw3rk made me chuckle. The song goes on a little too long but the bit about Dolan calling Mitch Robinson stenomenal good for a few yucks….
https://www.theringer.com/2019/3/15/18267054/nba-desktop-knicks-owner-james-dolan-needs-to-sell-the-team
That was me who started this conspiracy theory. The idea was the Robert Randolph’s slide guitar riffs were just too funky. Dolan should ban him for life, as he should the entire Family Band.
Um…. nah….. Collins now takes the Oliver Vernon tittle as the most overpriced defender in the league. And while Beckham is a wonderful player when he shows up to play, the Giants received a King’s Ransom for him compared to Antonio Brown whose performance is every bit as good if not better and doesn’t smoke blunts while hookers snort blow off each other’s bellies in Paris. Can’t imagine he had a little taste there right.
I am rarely – never! – on the cutting edge of music. But I was in Minneapolis in 2013, my friend took me to First Avenue, we were just there to hang out and he was playing. I kid you not, when I heard the guitar but before I could see him, I thought it was Prince. I thought “Gary Clark Jr” was a fake name that Prince (not dead at the time) was using to play local shows in Minneapolis.
Then the next summer he showed up where I hang out in Montauk and crushed it. Here’s a great clip from the show I was lucky to catch out there in 2014 (that also serves as a nice intro to the venue if you’ve never been out there):
https://vimeo.com/107851005
I’ve basically been a groupie since then.
Why is the Steelers mistake being held up as benchmark, though? The Raiders got a #1 for Amari Cooper. Beckham’s impact on offense is similar to Mack’s impact on defense, and Mack netted two 1s and a 3.
I actually liked the Beckham trade. But I liked it because I thought were so bad that there was no point having him so you might as well get the picks now and do a total rebuild. If Gettelman’s going to turn around and try to compete this year, then I have a different opinion.
Gettleman is like Phil Jackson: trying to compete when he should be rebuilding, and married to an outdated style of offense that the rest of the league is rightly leaving behind. Sigh.
One of those 1RPs for Khalil Mack was actually a pick swap, the Raiders had to send a 2RP to the Bears. Which is why it was an unbelievably shitty trade for the Raiders. That pick swap will be a low 1 for a high 2, they’ll end up moving up like five spots.
So they essentially got a first and a third for Mack. Terrible value.
Beckham isn’t Mack in anyone’s wet Dream…call me after Beckham makes 1st team all NFL 3 TIMES AND OPOY….
Pittsburgh is only the best NFL franchise over the past 50 years ….
giantsblogger 🙂
I don’t know, my memory kind of sucks most times…I like though this year how the site has stayed “relevant” throughout this abysmal season by discussing a few things other than just the knicks…
it seemed in the past by this time of the year the site would be a bit of a ghost town with very few folks checking in…
although it’s a knick’s site – the main component is all the awesome folks whom come here to share their thoughts and stories…
and, let’s be honest – at a certain point in the season, there’s only a small bit of knick’s talk that really matters – and, it’s usually about stuff happening off the court…
that gettleman = jackson talk is a little scary though, cuz, it sounds kind of true…
By the way, Bob, I was also cool letting Collins go, picking up a younger version of him, and getting a 3rd round pick as compensation. I’m just annoyed that they turned around and forfeited the pick to get a 31 year old WR.
We could have had three prime third rounders (ours, Cleveland’s best, and the comp pick for Collins). Instead we forfeited one to draft that kid in the supplemental draft last year who never played, accepted Cleveland’s worst 3rd for Beckham, and forfeited another to sign Tate.
So while I agree with your points on a micro level, I have to concur with alsep’s assertion that the macro picture looks very troubling. Doesn’t the Tate signing and forfeiture of a 3rd round pick for annoy you? I’d be with you if that didn’t happen.
We now return to our regularly scheduled basketball blog:
Watched the Duke highlights from last night, that Zion Williamson guy looks pretty good indeed.
What the Giants should have done: Not draft Saquon (who I love), draft Darnold, keep Odell, sign Leveon Bell, +/- on holding onto Collins given how much he signed for. I mean seriously, Darnold, Bell, Odell, Sterling Shepard, Engram. Yowza.
What the Knicks should do: win that lottery.
You’ve seen the Giants on/off numbers with Beckham, right? He makes a league-worst offense average all by himself. He’s spent his whole career playing on a team with a decrepit offensive line and an immobile QB and has put up hall of fame level numbers despite having embarrassingly little time to run routes.
On Cleveland’s offense, with Mayfield? I think I’ll be calling you soon.
I know I’m in the minority I like the Saquon pick. I’m not impressed with Darnold, either. This is one thing I’ll defend him on. I understand positional scarcity, but there’s also a scarcity of once in a lifetime players like Saquon. Overrated QB prospects like Darnold are available every year.
But again, that’s on a micro level. I like Saquon because he has the potential to be the evolutionary Marshall Faulk. Step back and look at it on a macro level, we drafted this guy and then used him as a run-between-the-tackles back. So in that sense, it was a terrible pick.
Follow up:
Haskins sophomore year: 533 attempts, 10.3 AY/A, 50 TDs, 8 INTs, 173.1 rating
Darnold sophomore year: 480 attempts, 8.5 AY/A, 26 TDs, 13 INTS, 148.1 rating
One of these is so much better than the other!
Of all the Gettleman criticisms (and there are many), passing on Darnold is not a fair one. Narratives drive drafts. Last year the narrative was it’s QB heavy, so all those guys (except Mayfield) got picked much higher than they deserved to be. Darnold is meh, Rosen is already being replaced, the Buffalo kid was better than expected but none of those guys deserved to be top ten picks.
Darnold was playing QB in the NFL when he was the age Haskins was as a sophomore. He was (and still is) a good QB prospect and it was exceedingly stupid to draft a running back with the #2 pick. If the Giants didn’t like Darnold or the other available QBs that’s defensible. They should have traded down or drafted, idk, Ward or Chubb.
Yeah, I love Saquon, but I don’t know that he’s a once in a lifetime, or even a once in every decade, kind of running back. The Giants were in position to do one of three smart things:
1)Pick whichever QB they liked the best (I preferred Rosen to Darnold, and think he was victim of an awful situation in Arizona as a rookie, but would’ve been fine with either), understanding that even if he busts, he will be so cheap relative to the position that it won’t be that hard to move on in a few years. In the modern NFL, no position is more important than QB, and Eli is now a hothouse flower who needs optimal conditions to be even mediocre.
2)Pick a pass rusher or cornerback, which are the two other positions worth taking that high, if you think Ward or Chubb is elite.
3)Trade down to a QB hungry team that wants to leapfrog the Jets, and begin the rebuild in earnest.
Instead, Gettleman picked a guy who’s already very expensive for his position on his rookie deal, and who will be even more expensive and/or injury-prone by the time the rest of the team is ready to be good enough to need an elite RB. Moron.
Yeah… the giants scored 26 PPG in the games Beckham was “nursing” a sore thigh. You realize once they dumped Flowers, Soldier recovered from a neck injury he played through the first half of the season and they settled on a center (after the starter broke his leg) and a RG and RT the offense wan’t the problem, Beckham or not. They scored plenty of points
The giants were 4-4 the last half including 2, one point losses and a 3 point loss. They played exactly one bad game the last half of the year AFTER they dumped Snacks and Apple and Beckham was injured.
And anyone who thinks Barkley was anything other than a great choice at 2 doesn’t know what a first ballot HOF player looks like if he doesn’t get injured.
I think he will be once they stop using him as a traditional RB and build an offense around him the way the Rams did with Faulk. Saquon isn’t just a RB. He’s LeBron in pads. They need some nontraditional coaching minds in here to get the most of his talent, then no one will be comparing him to players who play the same position as him in name only.
I would have done that, too, and you probably still could have gotten Saquon. So even though I defend the move, it wasn’t perfect.
I meant for his career.
But you make great points about this season.
Maybe he shouldn’t have been. Because he played it extremely poorly, which wasn’t a surprise after he didn’t play it particularly well in college, either. If you don’t wear green-tinted glasses, he looks like the Kevin Knox of NFL QBs.
I read that DSJ is out tonight and that Kadeem was recalled from the G-league…fingers crossed.
Barkley is a generational talent. If you look at his stats for a rookie campaign they are crazy good. http://Www.247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/LongFormArticle/Saquon-Barkley-Giants-rookie-of-the-year-resume-126177397/Amp/
that’s just mean 🙂
yeah the golden tate signing was “curious” at best…
seems like eli has been a question mark as a QB almost his whole career…it’s hard to completely judge him with such a traditionally crappy o line…he’s not a guy that can make things happen without good protection…
he has a huge cap number, but, what the hell…after the decision was made last year not to draft a quarterback – might as well let him play out his contract this year…
it’s just amazing that the dude never misses a game…he has pretty poor mobility and he just gets crushed sometimes sitting in the pocket…
looks like peppers will be a useful player…glad we’re not paying collins that huge contract he got…odell is special, but, if his time was through in new york, and, he wasn’t happy to be on a crappy non competitive team – trade him, hall of fame guy or not…
I was happy with the saquon pick…I know it doesn’t make a lot of sense to pick a running back that high, and then to use him in a way that doesn’t highlight his strengths (he still performs well though) – but, he definitely works as the “face” of the franchise…
despite his skill, odell just isn’t type of person you want to put out front…at least not up to this point in time…
I don’t know anything about football but I find it hard to believe Saquon was a bad draft pick.
oh yeah, back to the knicks: 14 games left in the season – a few more wins before it all ends wouldn’t hurt my feelings too much…
most likely not gonna happen at san antonio tonight, but, hopefully we can beat the lakers on sunday…
The positional scarcity argument is valid, but he will likely transcend his position. I called him LeBron in pads, really he is the NFL’s Zion. And the argument against taking him is the basketball equivalent of arguing for Ja Morant over Zion because you need a PG to win in the NBA.
I don’t care what position you are drafting for (except maybe kicker or punter) a perennial pro bowl player and lock HOF talent is never a bad pick anywhere in the draft, including #1 in the first round. Maybe there were somewhat better picks, but this notion that RBs are a dime a dozen is silly.
@28 – Saquon is great, but you basically cannot win in the NFL without a great quarterback, and you can win (and repeatedly so) with dudes you get off the street at RB. I mean, the highest paid RB in the league is Gurley, and they barely played him for much of the end of year + playoffs and were just as good with a guy they literally signed off the street. The Patriots win every year with guys you’ve never heard of. The Eagles won with LeGarrette Blount (yes, also with Nick Foles). Denver won with CJ Anderson, undrafted FA. So even though Saquon is a great great player, he’s probably not the difference maker that you need. Every now and again you get a team that is so dominant on defense (ie. Ravens, old Peyton Broncos, etc) that you don’t need a QB, but even in that case, it’s not the top-5 pick RB in particular that is the difference.
And Hubert – I’m a Jets fan so i’m biased, but I think Darnold is great. Everyone gives Rosen a pass because he had a bad team around him, but honestly, where was the talent on the Jets’ offense that Darnold shouldn’t get the same pass? And even so, Darnold apparently had the best QBR in the league over the last 4 games of the season.
Seriously, would Giant fans rather have Darnold + Leveon Bell right now or *insert Eli or other FA QB* and Saquon? What’s more is that *insert Eli + other FA QB* + Saquon actually make more $ than Darnold (rookie contract) + Leveon Bell (Ejectable after 2 years 26MM).
it’s pretty cool that growing up in the new york area you get to choose: giants, jets, or bills (maybe); yankees or mets; islanders or rangers; knicks or nets…
I am sooooo glad when I was a kid it just so happened that my favorite tv shows were on channel 11, wpix – home of the yanks back in the day when I first started getting interested in sports (around ’75)…
there was some serious down time in the mid 80’s to early 90’s – but, they’ve been pretty consistently easy to root for over the last 4 decades or so…
too bad about severino, fortunately cashman has proven over time to be one of the better gm’s out there, and they should be fine without him for awhile…
I’ll take Haskins and Barkley for $12mm over Darnold and Bell for $20mm.
It sucks when you go out to watch a game and half the bar in your own city is rooting for your team to fail, though.
That’s what was so great about the Knicks in the 90s. No one rooted against them, except the occasional annoying “Jordan fan”.
I mean, I don’t believe PGs are that valuable either so this makes perfect sense to me. Very few NBA tittle teams were led by their PG. The list is like Walt Frazier and Magic right and Magic was sui generis, or was until Giannis arrived.
I don’t know anything about football statistics beyond what I read in the WOW. I found the argument Berri made there pretty convincing (surprising!). Basically he said that the impact of any one player in football, including the QB, is very diluted compared to other sports. QB play in particular depends to a much greater degree on surrounding talent and the opposing team than generally perceived. The evidence of this is wild swings in QB statistical performance, where elite quarterbacks see there numbers oscillate wildly even if public perception doesn’t change much.
Maybe things have probably changed with the more offensive minded NFL that exists now. All I know is that Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, Eli Manning, Nick Foles, the ghost of Peyton Manning, Joe Flacco, and other luminaries have all won Super Bowl titles without being particularly good players.
Probably wrong but the cult of the QB has always seemed like a bit of a statistical mystery….
It’s simply not true that you can’t win without a great quarterback, quite a few teams have been super bowl contenders and even winners with middle-of-the-pack guys. More importantly, lots of top-shelf QBs have been drafted outside the top of the draft, and there are tons of very good QBs whose teams suck anyway. None of the QBs at the top of the last draft were sure-fire HOFers. Barkley was one of the greatest college RBs in history.
You can’t compare Zion to Saquan Barkley. The RB position isn’t a prime value position the way a dominant wing is in the NBA. There are 5 starting spots on a basketball team, there are 22 on a football team, add that to the fact that the NFL is becoming more of a passing league, plus the fact that RB talent is very deep in most drafts, or that even some of the most promising prospects flame out around five seasons in the league, and I don’t see how anyone can draft one in the first round.
Look at someone as dominant like Todd Gurley. He was selected with the 10th overall pick in the 2015 draft enjoying as dominant a career as the featured running and receiving threat since McVay took over as LA coach. But after his big contract and knee injury many doubt his longevity in the league. And the truth was that the Rams barely missed a beat in the playoffs with him just getting 30 carries their entire three game postseason, scheming their other backs open. Meanwhile, the 49ers just picked up Tevin Coleman with a reasonable 2 year/20 million deal, most of it guaranteed upfront. And the difference in production won’t be that great.
To put it in terms better suited to this board, a great running back in 2019 is like being a great iso scorer who specializes in long 2s in 2019.
This is a poor analogy. Position is basketball is arbitrary, each player on the floor can do the same things–shoot, pass, and play defense. Football has distinct positions; a QB cannot do what a RB does and a RB can’t do what an lineman can, etc.
A football player’s contribution is constrained by the position he plays. For instance, no one is paying a FB or Kicker QB money because no one can play either position in a way that makes a significant difference above the guy in the Arena league. That’s also true, although to a lesser extent, with RBs.
On the other hand a basketball player is only constrained by his skillset.
In short, any analogy between the positional value of a PG and RB fails.
But a great RB is still better than a bad QB.
Ntilikilla, i get what you’re saying. But redo the 2015 nfl draft right now and you’re telling me the rams would have been better off taking Jameis Winston? Come on.
That’s the thing this positional scarcity arguments keep overlooking. They only apply when you’re looking at similar prospects. Sam Darnold has never been very good at football. He really is Kevin Knox: pedigree, hype, and physical measurements. Maybe taking a RB at 2 is suboptimal. But whiffing on a bad QB is literally the worst possible outcome.
Another 10 or so posts on football and I’ll start longing for the threads on politics.
I ought to track this back. He’s never played his position at the level saquon Barkley has, is what I was going for.
Brady, Goff, Foles, Brady, Brady, Ryan, the rotten husk of Peyton Manning, Newton, Brady, Wilson, Wilson, a really good version of Peyton, Flacco, Kaepernick, Eli Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Rapelisberger, Brees, Manning, Rapelisberger, Warner, Eli, Brady, Manning, Rex Grossman (lol), Rapelisberger, Hasselbeck, Brady, McNabb, Brady, Delhomme
Nothing scientific about this opinion, but I see a lot of really good QBs on this list, not to mention the fact that between Brady’s rookie year and today, the AFC team with Brady or Peyton (almost certainly the 2 best QBs of the modern era) has made the SB 13 out of 18 times.
Calling Darnold the Kevin Knox of NFL QBs is something only a Giants fan would say. We’ll see how that holds up this season. Meanwhile, I’m just gonna soak in the fact that the Giants are a total shit show.
can someone convince me that rj barrett is going to be a good nba defender? i am far from an ncaa savant but i watch him and see a guy who looks like a mix between evan turner and derozan. he has great size and he hustles on d but his instincts look pretty bad? he anticipates the obvious pass like never and overcommits a lot. i’ve literally seen him play maybe 5 times so i really have no idea.
It’s hard to tell whether the Duke team overcommits because of poor instincts or because of a rabid desire for fast-break dunks. Zion does it a lot too, but his athletic superiority (and the utter lack of ball skills by most wings and bigs he faces) hides it quite a bit.
At this point, there’s no chance of the Suns losing 13 straight, right? They play Chicago, Washington and Memphis in their last 13 games, as well as at Dallas on the last night of the regular season. This is a good thing and a bad thing, as Dallas, while ostensibly trying to maximize their draft luck, will probably play hard to send Dirk off right, but that also might mean Dirk playing actual minutes, which is very good for the Mavs’ tank.
Jowles, you’re missing my point. I’m not saying that your odds of winning are not impacted by having a great QB. I’m saying that a) finding a great QB is not as simple as picking the top-rated QB in the draft…many are picked well down the list and were not even the first QB drafted b) if you’re not sure about the top guys, better to go with a no-brainer at another position, whether RB, OL, DL, CB, or whatever, and c) Saquan is a unique case.
Your argument sort of makes the case. Tom Brady was drafted in the bottom of the draft, and he accounts for 8 of the 13 times you alluded to. How many QBs were drafted before him?
Others were picked later on in the draft as well. Kaepernick and Brees in the 2nd. Wilson and Foles in the 3rd. Hasselbeck in the 6th. Warner and Delhomme undrafted.
In this case, Saquan was far more of a sure thing than any of the QBs on the board. That was not the case with Peyton Manning. He was one of the most highly rated draft-eligible QBs ever. Drafting Saquan before him would have been colossally stupid. Same with Andrew Luck. Not so with Darnold, Rosen or the others in this draft. I’m not saying it was a no-brainer to draft Saquan, just a reasonable decision in this particular situation.
But the debate isn’t about comparing Saquan to just Winston. It’s about comparing the value of drafting him 3rd and overall in the 2018 draft and trading down to pick up some added draft capital. Giants could’ve have still had a shot at trading down, picking up a Quinton Nelson/Mike McGlinchey type offensive lineman and still would’ve found Nick Chubb in the 2nd round plus extra picks. That’s how smart football teams looking to fill entire 52 game rosters operate when having to build around middling QB talent.
Saquon over Bradley Chubb was pretty dumb, too.
idk anything about football, do not listen to me about anything related to it
The other thing I remember about the WOW is that Peyton Manning was the lone exception to the rule that elite quarterbacks are inconsistent.
He was always good. Until he won a super bowl while being quite bad.
The best quarterback of my youth was Dan Marino and he only made one SB I think.
Re there being a lot of good quarterbacks on the list of guys to play in the SB. There are a lot of good and bad quarterbacks on that list. Also, a lot of guys who, if they had never started a SB, would have been consigned to the dustbin of history.
I don’t know, love to know how football outsiders or whatever the state of the art place is now has to say on the issue. No one denies that QB is the most important position on the football field but I think any single NBA player can have a much much bigger impact.
Joe Montana and John Elway were better.
personally, when it comes to off topic topics I’m a bit more partial to booze, drugs, pizza and bagels…oh yeah, and farfa’s singing…
the injury/suspension line movement seems to show that betting markets generally favor elite quarterbacks over everyone else, even most nba stars. a top 5 qb injury is usually worth 6-8 pts in the betting line. no other position moves the line more than a point or so if that, even from pro bowl level players. at best you might get 2 points from an all time defender or skill player. the nba stars rarely move the line as much as elite qbs. if prime aaron rodgers is worth 7, prime cp3 moves it like 3-4. harden, giannis, lebron maybe 5. the line differentials map pretty closely to win probability. i don’t follow nfl betting as closely as nba, but my impression is these spreads haven’t changed much. if berri is right that quarterbacking is substantially overrated, seems like there’s a bid he can hit.
Over at the Giants blog they’re discussing the merits of BPM vs WP48
Would the NFL line movement be skewed by scoring coming in 3s and 7s rather than the NBA’s 1, 2 and 3s?
Marino was hands down better than Elway.
Would the NFL line movement be skewed by scoring coming in 3s and 7s rather than the NBA’s 1, 2 and 3s?
short answer is no
I agree with JK . I always found it odd that for the first dozen plus years of their careers Marino was considered better, then Terrell Davis happened Denver won 2 SBs and Elway was considered better by many. It had been Marino or Montana and then it wasn’t.
Would you prefer more discussion of how big a putz Dolan is or maybe if racist fans should be ejected from Jazz games for calling Westbrook a “boy”.
It is pretty funny how a meme about a GM get’s pushed by the media when people criticize him for choosing a guy that lead the entire NFL in yards from scrimmage, caught 91 balls, was second in the league in rushing averaging 5.0 YPC behind the arguably worst O line in the NFL and offensive ROY in the NFL . Oh… he was also first team all-NFL by PFF and the SN.
Yeah…. bad move GM….. LOL Bradley Chubb who couldn’t crack the top 10 in sacks in the NFL even with Von Miller being double teamed every play. Chubb wasn’t even DROY