Knicks Morning News (2018.07.30)

  • [NYTimes] Keeping Score: Carmelo Anthony and Dwight Howard Are Hall of Famers. No Matter What Twitter Says.
    (Monday, July 30, 2018 7:00:06 AM)

    Howard, a well-traveled center, and a host of others should easily gain induction into the Basketball Hall of Fame despite frequent skepticism.

  • [NYDN] Time for a cap on Uber and Lyft: Why a traffic expert changed his mind
    (Monday, July 30, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    Three years ago, Mayor de Blasio’s proposed moratorium on Uber and Lyft sank under ferocious attack from ride-hail companies and public doubts about its rationale.

    De Blasio said that the app-based for-hire vehicles were responsible for terrible traffic congestion; his foes said no, they were providing…

  • [NYDN] Prosecutors aren’t above the law: Gov. Cuomo must sign legislation creating an oversight commission
    (Monday, July 30, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    Prosecutors are responsible for holding people accountable when they violate the law, but what happens when the prosecutors are the ones who break the rules? In most instances, nothing.

    For example, Jabbar Collins spent 16 years in prison for a 1994 Brooklyn murder that he did not commit. His case…

  • [NYDN] Rush, rush: Reactivate speed cameras, and in the meantime, keep tabs on violators
    (Monday, July 30, 2018 1:10:00 AM)

    With the lives of city kids at risk, state Senate Majority Leader John Flanagan is getting nervous in his game of chicken over speed cameras. Good. His fear is making him move in the right direction. Now, hurry up, before someone gets hurt.

    On Friday, two days after the city’s authority to issue…

  • [NYDN] Anyone there on adult homes?
    (Monday, July 30, 2018 1:05:00 AM)

    Judging by the revelations by one community news organization that requested from the state Department of Health the records on one adult home in Ditmas Park, Brooklyn, New York has progressed pathetically little on overseeing such residences for debilitated individuals in need of special care.

  • [NYDN] Facing the music: Communications companies are feeling investor heat
    (Monday, July 30, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    Thursday, Facebook lost 19% of its value, a staggering $119 billion record one-day loss. The plunge came after Mark Zuckerberg’s behemoth reported weaker-than-expected revenue and disappointing numbers of global daily active users.

    Friday, Twitter stock lost 21% of its value after a systematic…

  • [NYDN] LOVETT: Cuomo and state Dems set to ramp up effort against New York congressional Republicans
    (Monday, July 30, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    ALBANY — With congressional primaries out of the way, Gov. Cuomo and the state Democratic Party he controls are set to ramp up efforts to help Dems reclaim the House.

    Democrats need to pick up two dozen seats nationally to take the House, with a number of New York seats believed to be in play.

  • [NYDN] GOP state controller candidate Trichter relying heavily on party chairman for fundraising
    (Monday, July 30, 2018 12:55:00 AM)

    Republican state controller candidate Jonathan Trichter, an investment banker, has had to rely heavily on state GOP Chairman Ed Cox when it comes to fundraising.

    Despite his Wall Street ties, Trichter — a one time Democratic operative — raised just $156,345 since March, when he began fundraising…

  • [NYDN] Nixon has high rate of out-of-state donors
    (Monday, July 30, 2018 12:55:00 AM)

    The following is an expanded version of the second item from my “Albany Insider” column from Monday’s print editions:

    Actress Cynthia Nixon likes to tout the thousands of small donations she has received for her Democratic primary challenge against Cuomo. But records show a hefty 46.5% come from…

  • [NYDN] Readers sound off Eric Garner, The News and abortion
    (Monday, July 30, 2018 12:00:00 AM)

    Eric Garner broke no law but still died

    Manhattan: Thank you, Voicer Mike Memphis. You hit the nail on its head. It has always enraged me that media coverage of the Eric Garner story always reports he died while selling loose cigarettes. While he may have previously sold some, he had not on that…

  • [NYDN] Daily Horoscope — July 30, 2018
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 9:00:00 PM)

    Via Tarot Astrologers

    General Horoscope for July 30, 2018

    Managing real-world matters that impinge upon our lives can be challenging today. The visionary Pisces Moon encourages an active fantasy life. Additionally, an otherworldly connection between sweet Venus and indulgent Jupiter further distracts…

  • [NYDN] Braves pitcher Sean Newcomb apologizes for racist, homophobic tweets after coming one out from no-hitter
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 8:55:00 PM)

    Yet another major-league pitcher had to apologize for sending racist and homophobic tweets in the past.

    Posts from Braves left-hander Sean Newcomb’s account re-surfaced Sunday night after he had come within an out of a no-hitter against the Dodgers.

    The backlash was swift and not even an hour after…

  • [NYDN] Jets QB Sam Darnold is not happy about missing training camp as holdout hits Day 3: sources
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 7:50:00 PM)

    Sam Darnold is not a happy camper.

    The Jets rookie quarterback was still holding out on the third practice of training camp Sunday, but make no mistake: Darnold is ticked off about not being on the field with his team, according to sources.

    Offsets language — which would provide the team financial…

  • [NYDN] City Parks workers busted after beating up man caught peeing in Bronx park, sources said
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 5:15:00 PM)

    Two Parks Department workers beat up a man they caught urinating in Jerome Park in the Bronx Sunday, police sources said.

    Yadhil Marrero, 41, and Damian Garner, 40, were busted on assault charges at about 1:30 p.m., after punching and kicking the 40-year-old parkgoer, cops said.

    The urinating man…

  • [NYDN] J.A. Happ goes six solid innings, allowing just three hits, in Yankee debut to beat Royals at Stadium
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 5:10:00 PM)

    J.A. Happ did a double take as he headed out to the bullpen to warm up Sunday. He’s been traded at the deadline four times before, but still, what he saw was a little weird to the veteran lefty.

    “It was kind of weird looking down and seeing the pinstripes on me,” Happ said after beating the Royals,…

  • [NYDN] Sixth person found dead as California’s Carr Fire continues raging, seven people still missing
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 4:50:00 PM)

    A sixth person has died from the massive blaze dubbed the Carr Fire that continues spreading through Northern California, authorities said Sunday.

    The Shasta County sheriff’s office said a another body was found but did not release any identification.

    The deadly fire was sparked by a malfunctioning…

  • [NYDN] Father of Saheed Vassell demands answers after NYPD takes too long to release names of cops who fatally shot him
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 4:45:00 PM)

    The father of a pipe-wielding Brooklyn man who was fatally shot by NYPD officers slammed the department for taking so long to release the names of the four officers involved.

    “We shouldn’t have to wait 16 weeks for media leaks to find out the names,” fumed Eric Vassell, the father of Saheed Vassell.

  • [NYDN] WATCH: Olympian Bode Miller wants to know why he was never warned about the dangers of drowning before his infant daughter’s death
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 4:15:00 PM)

    Weeks after his 19-month-old daughter’s sudden death in a neighbor’s swimming pool, gold medal winning Olympian Bode Miller wants to know why parents aren’t better educated on the dangers of drowning.

    “It’s the number one way that you could potentially lose your kid,” the 40-year-old skier told…

  • [NYDN] Ackert: Aaron Hicks fast becoming a key part of Yankees’ offense in Aaron Judge’s absence
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 4:10:00 PM)

    The Yankees do not know exactly what they have in Aaron Hicks. Heck, even the 28-year-old isn’t sure where this season will lead for him. The talent has been obvious since he was a first-round pick of the Twins, but the results have been inconsistent. After being traded to the Yankees and now having…

  • [NYDN] Leonard: Giants backup QB Davis Webb ready to prove ‘that I can play’
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 3:50:00 PM)

    When the Giants passed on Sam Darnold in April’s draft, it officially became Davis Webb’s turn to prove, as the second-year quarterback told the Daily News, “that I can play.”

    And on Sunday, as Darnold’s holdout dragged on with the Jets, Webb confidently and impressively directed the second-team…

  • [NYDN] Congressman John Lewis released from hospital after in-flight medical emergency
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 3:45:00 PM)

    Congressman John Lewis was released from the hospital Sunday, his office told the Daily News.

    “All tests have been completed, and doctors have given him a ‘clean bill of health,’ ” his spokeswoman said. “He thanks everyone who shared their thoughts, prayers and concerns during his stay.”

    The 78-year-old…

  • [NYDN] Letitia James tallies multiple endorsements for her AG run
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 3:05:00 PM)

    Public Advocate Letitia James on Sunday continued to cement her place as the establishment Democratic candidate in the race for state attorney general.

    Controller Scott Stringer and four other elected officials endorsed James at a press conference at Verdi Square on the Upper West Side.

    “It takes…

  • [NYDN] Queens man in dramatic road rage video involving a stabbing attempt after an accident that left cars ‘airborne’ insists it wasn’t ‘what it looks’
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 3:00:00 PM)

    A Queens man caught on tape swinging a box cutter at a motorist he also pinned against a van with his moving car during a dramatic road rage confrontation said, “It’s not what it looks like.”

    Kevin McClean was released on $100,000 bail this weekend following a brutal brawl last week with a 24-year-old…

  • [NYDN] Octavia Spencer to play first black, self-made female millionaire Madam C.J. Walker in Netflix series produced by LeBron James
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 3:00:00 PM)

    Octavia Spencer is set to play the nation’s first black, self-made female millionaire in an upcoming Netflix series.

    The 46-year-old Oscar winner will play Madam C.J. Walker, an entrepreneur who built a beauty and hair care empire in the early 1900s, Netflix announced Sunday.

    Walker, whose real…

  • [NYDN] Mom files lawsuit against city and Staten Island non-profit, accusing summer camp director of slapping epileptic son’s hand
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 3:00:00 PM)

    An epileptic boy’s mother is suing the city school system after a Staten Island summer camp director allegedly slapped his hand, then covered his mouth and nose to stop him from crying.

    The 10-year-old child was attending camp at Public School 861 in Graniteville on Aug. 4, 2017, when Robert Busan,…

  • [NYDN] How Olivier Vernon has been standing out at Giants training camp
    (Sunday, July 29, 2018 2:35:00 PM)

    Giants quarterback Davis Webb was asked Sunday which Giants players have stood out most to him in training camp and Webb didn’t even flinch.

    “Olivier Vernon,” Webb said, nodding in approval. “Strong.”

    Webb’s been paying attention. Vernon, 27, entering his third Giants season, has been a man possessed…

  • 55 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2018.07.30)”

    Trainer Chris Brickley on his work with Frank this summer:

    “One of our main focuses after this season has been just being aggressive,” Brickley said. “If you go back to pre-draft, we’d do shooting drills, dribbling drills, he had all the skills, he just needed to keep that mindset and bring it to the court and be aggressive. I kept stressing to him the more aggressive you are, everything else will open up. We’re just working on mindset and being aggressive, his shooting, his ball-handling, basically his overall game. One thing that we worked on and he did it a few times in Summer League, we were working on when he has a guard that’s smaller than him, penetrating to the paint, those pivots, shooting over those little guards a little bit and that was great. I think he has such a great upside, especially defensively. I think coach (David) Fizdale is going to allow him to be a little more aggressive and I think he needs someone to believe in him so he gets that confidence.”

    There’s a bit more in there about Frank, about him helping Kanter work on his 3-pt shot, and primarily about a new addition to the Houston Rockets with whom we are unfortunately very familiar.

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised landsays:

    The goal should be to at least narrow the TS% gap between 2’s and 3’s. The way it is right now has made post play an afterthought.

    I agree with this. It’s a math problem that should be easy to solve.

    What if they made scoring inside easier to de-incentivize threes? Like got rid of the 3 second rule. While also making open threes harder, maybe make picks illegal outside the three pt line? Idk just thinking out loud.

    Easiest way is to change the values of the shots. They’ll never do it, but that’s the easiest way without drastically changing the game.

    Frank had one play in SL that gave me some hope – where he bullied Trae Young and shot a short jumper over him. Of course, Trae may be the weakest player in the NBA, but still, I could envision Frank being a Shaun Livingston type with 2 knees, a 3 pt shot and great defense.

    Re: the race to 100 idea, I like it, but with a shot clock.

    Hypothetically, would changing twos to be worth 3 and threes to be worth 4 do it? Threes would then only be worth 33% more than a two (rather than 50%), potentially flattening the difference between them enough to being it into a little more balance. The average 3 point percentage in the league last year was .362, so with 4 point shots they’d be averaging 1.448 points per shot. The league’s overall shooting percentage last year was .460, so with 2’s being 3’s they’d be getting 1.38 points per shot, and that’s taking into account that that number includes 3 point attempts, so any player who can hit 50% of their 2-point shots is suddenly averaging 1.5 points per shot, which is not too shabby at all. The change here, I think, would be bringing elite 2-point scorers more in line with three point scoring without favoring them to the point of unbalancing the game in the other direction.

    You’d have statistical outliers like Curry who still break the system in half from the outside, but guys like Tyson Chandler would only increase in value from a scoring perspective relative to perimeter shooting. Tyson, for example, has a career FG% average of .596, so under the current rules he has averaged 1.192 points per shot, which is admittedly better than the 1.086 the league-average three point shooter generated last year. However, with the change in points, Tyson would have averaged an astounding 1.78 points per shot (going up to 2.037 in his best year), which would be far ahead of the 1.448 average perimeter shots would be worth.

    You’d have to adjust free throws to reflect that, though, which would slow down play for sure. Additionally, it would definitely screw with how many points modern players score versus players from other eras, so it would probably be a no-go from the NBA just for that reason. Also, just typing out a proposal to alter the points values in basketball feels wrong.

    Every other 3 a player scores is worth 2.

    It’d be better than same thing for the whole team because in money time there would be intrigue around which player can get a 3 that’s actually a 3.

    And JR type players would never get minutes.

    Why is everyone suggesting to remove elements of the game that have made it more open, fast-paced and athletic?!?!?!

    Illegal screens outside the arc?!?!?! What?!?!?! You want to get rid of the driving contested PNR dunks? Like, eliminate the most exciting physical play in the game for grinding, back to the basket slogs????!????

    And yes, Mike: that would be a great stride toward shot parity. But just like my idea to eliminate game-clock management (aka the most boring way to end any sporting event), it will never, ever happen.

    what if dunks were also worth 3. we’d have 10 Frederic weis incidents a year.

    @10 very interesting. I was trying to think of a “cheat” to that due to the unintended consequences thing, and I guess it would be crazy cherry picking, where one guy on offense would hang back near half court, which would then lead to one defensive guy guarding the cherry picker, leading to, in effect, 4 on 4 ball.

    Obviously, the NBA isn’t about to ditch the game clock in favor of a race to 100, no matter how many problems it solves.

    BUT… there’s no reason why they can’t make overtime a race to 10. Five minutes is pretty arbitrary and the TV networks haven’t billed advertisers for it, so give it a try to see if it’s as good of an idea as we geniuses think it may be. (And if it is, it begins the conversation of eliminating the game clock altogether:)

    “First to 100 wins…” Man, you guys are hilarious. I doubt it would happen even as an experiment, even in summer league, when players like Melo can’t even adjust enough to come off the bench. The only thing that might could happen would be a return to some form of handchecking. That’s the extent of daring in the league.

    Which is a shame, because to me, the Finals were nearly unwatchable. Houston’s offense is perfectly suited to their team, and perfectly awful to ensure for four quarters.


    Donnie, I love your gateway drug idea. That seems possible.

    yes the triple secret vivek 5 on 4 plan could finally be effectuated. but as league dictator I would counter this by having all games played on tilting courts that see sawed toward the action.

    The 3 point and 4 point idea is very interesting, elegant solution that doesn’t change the game drastically and doesn’t get rid of what brings fans to the games. Obviously never happening but I never thought about it and it’s a really cool solution.

    @12, great idea for OT.

    Race to 15; every game ends with a game winning shot.

    It never ends on a blunder, turn over or a 40ft prayer that misses everything.

    Last bucket is always the highlight of the game.

    Fixing basketball is simple. Reduce the shot clock to 6 seconds, except on offensive or defensive rebounds the shot clock is set to 2 seconds. All possessions following a play stoppage must begin underneath your own basket. All made shots are worth 1 point except dunks, which are worth 9 points. There are no fouls.


    Eh. The game is fine. Grinding post play is inefficient and just as boring to watch as Harden’s iso-play – there’s no difference. The finals sucked this year because the Cavs were so desperately out matched. The rest of the playoff series ranged from good to okay.

    Seriously, it’s like you’re all complaining about how music hasn’t been any good since when you were in your early twenties. The post-play grind is relatively inefficient and badly suited to players who need to be more mobile to be effective in today’s game. Even if you change the rules it’s not coming back in any significant way.

    I reiterate my desire to move the 3pt line out about 1 foot and to eliminate the corner 3 because it’s too short.

    How about just defending the corner threes better? Get up on those guys a bit closer. They are pinned in and can’t shoot step back shots.

    one of my main concerns with frank this year isn’t necessarily his offensive aggressiveness, i think that will come…it’s his ball handling, decision making and care for the ball…

    i was looking up his turnover ratio and saw he’s at about the bottom of the league in value there:

    granted – i ain’t exactly sure what “value” equates to – but, i’m guessing, as a primarily off the ball player right now, it’s not good…

    2 reasons:
    1) Because it defeats the purpose which is to revalue the mid-range 2-pt shot.
    2) Because it’s too easy of a shot and it forces the game to be played on the perimeter.

    I think The Basketball Tournament uses the OT is first to 7. I like that idea.

    There was an idea running around; at the first deadball within 3 minutes left, you add 7 pts to the score of whoever is winning, and that is the score you play to. I think that’s an interesting idea.

    I would to see the 3 pts line moved back a foot, and the corner 3 removed. or maybe just remove the corner 3.

    Right now the three-point line is impossible to defend. The best three-point defensive team still allowed an efg% of 50.9% from three. It doesn’t need to be longer, that would just stretch the court and players would adjust. Eliminating the corner three would dramatically reduce the length of the three-point line allowing teams to defend it easier and allowing them to not have to commit all five defenders out to the line.

    Aside from parity and the Houston FT/ISO offense, yes, the game is as fun as it was when offenses were breaking fast and throwing lobs down the court to sprinting athletes. It’s a wonderful era for fans when both teams are playing motion and all players — not just the towering behemoths — are allowed to use their athletic gifts to score.

    Some of us are suggesting balancing issues when it comes to watchability. I don’t think there’s a single person who thinks that hacking for the last two minutes to stop the clock is good for the aesthetics of the game. Likewise, I also think it will never happen, not even in preseason OT, because it’s an extremely lucrative media event that needs no rocking of the boat right now, despite its lulls and weak points.

    Baseball is a great example of how no time limit leads to exciting game endings. Get three outs or you lose, period. Is the rest of the game a slog sometimes? Sure. But a 4-point game in basketball (a tiny edge, all things considered) can be unwatchable when teams are committing intentional fouls and chucking threes to beat the clock. A team with a three-run lead (a much larger gap, obviously) can’t rest until they execute that final half-inning.

    None of these ideas carry the assumption that the league, the union or the sponsors would go for it. Again, a shame because some of the ideas in this thread (especially a point-race OT period) are damned good.

    I’ve always wondered why soccer matches don’t remove a player for the first OT period and another for the second, with sudden death for each one. The game would be so much more open and attack-heavy, with dramatic endings.

    Hell, chess is IMO the most beautiful game in existence and still people have tinkered with its rules (like Chess960, which is spontaneously wild and exciting) to make it more resistant to boring, game-solving strategies.


    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised landsays:

    I don’t know much about chess, but it always bothered me that a portion of the game (the opening) is more about memorizing all the variations than it is about thinking strategically and creatively.

    Of course. Chess players must possess a certain memory ability to be successful. But the principles of well-played chess allow a person to “discover” the chess openings because they’re logical and rational. If you taught someone the 3 “big” principles (control the center, develop your pieces {pawns are distinguished from pieces, in chess parlance} and castle as early as is prudent), they could come to many of the strongest openings themselves.

    Many chess teachers promote novices studying middlegame tactics or endgame positions because they are more “real world” applicable than memorizing openings, especially in classical games where a player should have enough time to ensure he’s not walking into a trap.

    At the master level, memorization is required because of the extreme volume of chess analysis endeavored by generations of geniuses for the last five hundred years.

    Memorizing openings as a beginner is more about saving your ass while playing blitz games (under 10m per side) as you’re much more prone to errors under time pressure.

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised landsays:

    I wish I knew more about the game. I love keeping up with it even though I don’t know enough to really appreciate the genius of the best players.

    Like a lot of kids at the time, I played a lot of chess right after the Fischer/Spassky match. I read a couple of books and was playing every day for about 6 months. I was thinking about it all the time. Then I started dreaming about it too. It was becoming like an obsession. So I stopped playing. I think I had at least a decent aptitude back then, but at this age when I occasionally try to play against a computer or do puzzles, it’s obvious my mental capacity has declined. I either can’t or am unwilling to use the mental energy to think ahead much anymore. It feels like work instead of being stimulating like it was when I was a kid and could do that rather easily.

    I find the same thing is true when I play pool now. That game requires thinking out the patterns of balls to find the best possible path and order. I used to be really good at that aspect of the game when I was in my late teens and early 20s. Now when I play I try to brute force my way through the rack using physical skill instead of using up all that mental energy thinking.

    As you get older, it gets harder and harder to sustain your highest level of concentration. It’s even worse for me because less than 10 years ago I had brain surgery to remove an acoustic neuroma. My recovery was statistically better than 99% of everyone that has that surgery (I had a great surgeon), but my balance and my ability to concentrate were never quite the same.

    Sorry to hear about your diminished abilities.

    Chess is an obsessive game, and I think that when the right type of person finally “sees” the beauty in its complexity, it’s much like any art in it’s impossible to unsee. I too had to stop playing — during grad school, which is when I first took it seriously. It was too much mental energy to spend on a thing so challenging and tangential to my career/educational pursuits. It can be a singular passion if a person has the means. (The famous nonfiction book about the infamous 1972 championship has an anecdote about how Marcel Duchamp, the famous artist, was so obsessed that he all but quit producing art and even brought his analysis board on his honeymoon, playing so much that his frustrated newlywed wife glued the pieces to the board! I’ve already promised Lady Jowles that our honeymoon in September will be fully chess free.)

    I have been playing at the city club here in Portland and I am amazed by the older gentlemen who can sit for 2 to 4 hours and stare at a board without so much as looking away. I am sure that I have less computing power than I did in my twenties, and so look forward to the gradual decline of my already-average chess abilities. Such is life, I guess.

    playing blitz games (under 10m per side)

    “blitz” game with 10 minutes per move…man, i would totally melt down waiting a whole 10 minutes for my turn…

    it would start slow…i’d be okay for the first two or three moves – after that – i’d be a raving maniac yelling and screaming for the other person to make up their freaking mind already…

    i blame my short attention span on video games and comic books…must feel gratified – now…

    Blitz is under 10min per side for the whole game, not per move. Lol, big difference

    well then…that almost sounds like fun…if there was at least a button to push to move your…oh yeah, there’s a clock next to the board you get to take turns hitting…yeah, that’s not too bad…

    Also, if we eliminate the corner 3 we kill a lot of passing since the defense doesn’t need to defend those parts of the court. We’ll see more double teams because nba players can get anywhere on the court a player would bother being.

    Sounds slow, boring and ugly.

    Blitz games are more often 5min too. People play 1 min games. Those are fun. Loses all the beauty Jowles is taking about, but damn is it fun.

    if we eliminate the corner 3 we kill a lot of passing since the defense doesn’t need to defend those parts of the court.

    The three would get much easier to defend, as would drives by any team that still focused on three’s. You’d probably see winning strategies that mostly ignored the three. It’d probably look a lot like Spurs-style, focused on generating open mid-range looks. I don’t see why that’d be a more enjoyable brand of basketball.

    I don’t think we need crazy new things like eliminating the corner 3. I would just let the refs call things a bit looser. So stop calling fouls when a defensive player breathes on a star going to the basket and absolutely crack down on flopping. I hate the move where a defensive player jumps and then the offensive player jumps into that player while shooting the 3 to get the foul call. I don’t think that should be allowed. Figure out a way to cut down on hack a shaq strategies and let players play a bit more physical and you’d see a better game. Also, people always harken back to the 90s grind it out style but the 80s showtime lakers played under the old NBA rules with hand checking and they scored a ton of points WITHOUT shooting a ton of 3s. So you can have tougher defense and still have high scoring teams.

    Yeah, the Bird-Magic-Jordan Era sure was boring. All back-to-the-basket slog. Surprised the game survived to evolve into the scintillating 3-pt chuckathon it is today! Please don’t change a thing!

    My father rip hated basketball. He suggested two make the game more interesting:

    1) electrify the rim
    2) give every player a club

    Some of us are suggesting balancing issues when it comes to watchability.

    The last two minutes can be a grind, that’s true. It was better this year, and the changes to timeouts were positive. Playing OT to a set number seems like a pretty good idea, they should try it out in the g league.

    Adjusting corner threes doesn’t improve watchability. Moving the three line, changing the size of the court, it all sounds like ways to force a certain style of play based on nostalgia and nothing else.

    How about eliminating the 3-point shot and zone defenses? It’s been so long sisnc that was the norm that no one knows how that would look anymore. It’s not like no one took a perimeter shot back then!

    I hate the move where a defensive player jumps and then the offensive player jumps into that player while shooting the 3 to get the foul call. I don’t think that should be allowed. Figure out a way to cut down on hack a shaq strategies

    They adjusted the rules this past season for both of these, it was definitely an improvement.

    I don’t mind the current style of play in the NBA so much as the lack of diverse styles. Almost everyone is playing the same way with a few subtle variations. Watching the Knicks play the Sonics in 1993, for instance, was like watching two completely different fighters going at it. Teams used to devise the most efficient offenses around their personnel. Now everyone looks for the personnel to run the most efficient offense.

    @44 well said
    One of my all-time favorite Knicks games was the Game 5 win to eliminate the Celts in the first round (the Johnny Newman game.) nobody even guarded the 3-pt line but the game was an amazing display of ball movement.

    Yeah I think that’s the thing. Back in the day (80s and 90s) there were different styles for different teams and players. It was always such a treat to see a fast paced run and gun team go up against a grind it out team and to see who would win. Now everyone is doing the same thing. I know the stat heads think this is just the natural evolution of the game but it feels forced to me and I think the next basketball genius is out there somewhere figuring out how to counter this. Plus, its like everyone thinks they can be the Warriors but they can’t.

    Yep, the concept of making a 22 ft shot 50 percent more valuable than a 21 ft shot is weird. Seriously, it’s not like Steph or Harden would suddenly suck if you took the 3 away from them. An open Steph 20-footer is still more efficient than a contested Boogie post-up with a guard dropping off to claw at the ball.

    My father rip hated basketball. He suggested two make the game more interesting:

    1) electrify the rim
    2) give every player a club

    can’t miss tv right there!!!

    But it’s an issue of evolution of the game.

    This used to happen a lot in soccer, teams would have extremely different styles and there used to be even very long traditional play styles (English teams playing with two open wings crossing balls into the box for tall strikers, Brazil playing with high skilled midfielders and breaking defenses one on one, Netherlands playing a high tempo passing game with 3 forwards, etc), but now every top team pretty much tries to emulate the prime Messi / Guardiola Barcelona.

    But why does that happen? Simply put, the ball will always travel faster than the players and with the ridiculous athletic level defenders have reached, most offensive options are straight up inferior than the Barcelona passing focused game, if you have the players to pull it off. Then it became a matter of team construction: if you’re rich enough to get the players to run this style you do, and if you don’t, well, too bad, try squeaking some wins with other strategies. The Barcelona style is also way more entertaining to watch, which is very relevant.

    As long as basketball is basketball there will be a more efficient way of running a team and teams will focus on building around that style. That’s why I liked the 3 point / 4 point idea, it devalues the 3 pointer relative to the 2 pointer without changing the fundamental dynamics of how basketball works at the top level, and without taking away the excitement / what brings fans to watch games. It only makes the most effective strategy less efficient overall but still possible.

    Doing away with dunks or 3 pointers altogether would limit options and not open up others.

    Mase, Oak and Ewing with clubs…I think we get past the Bulls with that…

    In theory the 3-pt/4-pt makes sense. It’s clearly not gonna happen though. Eliminating the 3-pt line won’t happen either. Nor will eliminating the clock. Now will raising the rim.

    Adding or moving lines on the court has happened. Changing foul call parameters has happened. Changing the FTs awarded had happened. Changing allowable defenses and techniques has happened. so these things are more practical to discuss.

    It would be fun to try out some of our suggestions, though!

    I think today’s game has gotten monotonous. Half the game has disappeared. When was the last time that a post-up center dominated the game? Ewing wouldn’t cut it in this NBA. Cutting the length of the arc will help bring a resurgence to that type of play. Also, to eliminate end-of-game hacking the NBA should bring back the 3 shots to make 2 when a team is over the limit in the 4th quarter.

    I think we as a fan base tend to romanticize a lot how cool to watch those games in the 90s really were simply because it’s the last time the Knicks were really relevant. If you ask a long time Warriors fan I’m pretty sure their memories of the 90s are far less fond of the slow playstyle and the post emphasis.

    Also, I don’t think the post game is dead, it’s been a casualty of how players are developed too. Nowitzki spent a lot of time in his career working from the post and he worked very well as a player until very late in his career. It’s just that developing great post play takes a tremendous amount of effort and won’t really help a blue chip 15 year old get noticed by scouts as much as shooting 3s and dunking a lot will.

    It’s as much a casualty of the way the game has developed as it is of the way prospects get developed and noticed. Why would I spent countless hours perfecting post moves as a big man if I can learn to shoot 3s at a .300 percentage and get touted by scouts as someone with possible NBA range (instead of getting the old-fashioned playstyle label?)

    What I’m saying is that I think a guy like Ewing or Olajuwon would certainly still be very good in today’s NBA, but Ewings and Olajuwons simply do not get developed anymore because of the way the league has changed and how talent evaluation has went together with it.

    I don’t really think I would enjoy watching Ewing back down the opposing center for post shots every possession if I wasn’t emotionally invested in it.

    I disagree. Watching a guy like McHale or David Robinson operate from the post was very entertaining, to me at least. But hey, times change.

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