Knicks 108 Pacers 101: KIDS INCORPORATED!

Porzingis with 40 points and 6 blocks.

Frank Ntilikina playing the fourth quarter, hitting two treys, and poking the ball away from the Pacers at will.

WOW! If this is a glimpse at the future, I need a DeLorean. On second thought, I’m fine with the journey at normal speed.

51 replies on “Knicks 108 Pacers 101: KIDS INCORPORATED!”

The Knicks making 19 point comebacks with Ntilikina playing a major role and KP being an absolute superstar I’m crying someone hold me please.

I don’t know how good the Pacers are going to end up being, but they’ve been pretty good so far this season, so Frank closing the game and playing well against them is a really positive sign. Joseph and Collison are solid pros

I don’t know how good the Pacers are going to end up being, but they’ve been pretty good so far this season, so Frank closing the game and playing well against them is a really positive sign. Joseph and Collison are solid pros

Definitely. We know Porzingis can score on anyone, but Ntilikina doing as well as he did was very important.

I am still tingling. I can’t believe what KP is doing. I feel like I may have misjudged his ceiling.

Hell of a game from Harden

The best game I can remember seeing!
We won that game with defense, and both KP and nitilikina took a big step…and I want to re sign kanter

If the Trailblazers hold their lead against the Thunder, the Knicks will have a better record than Melo. #JustSayin

KP now with a usage of around 36 and a TS% of .590. I can’t imagine this is sustainable- he has to work way too hard to get good looks and teams will start throwing hard double teams at him on every catch. Still it’s great- maybe the most exciting thing to happen for this team since 2000.

What’s more important is that Kanter was out there for a large part of that run. If we can find a way to keep Kanter on the court while not getting exploited on D, that’s superstar level talent.

What a fucking game. Porzingis has dazzled us early on before, but it does look like he’s made some sustainable changes. He also isn’t at risk of being frozen out by a few mediocre players who won’t be named. Frank did literally everything you could ask from a 19(!) year old and more.

I’m still a little uneasy about how everything will play out with Willy, but Kanter looks like he made a point this offseason to become borderline passable on defense. If he stays that way he’s definitely a long-term piece.

The only thing I’m unhappy with is Willie should be getting Beasley’s minutes.

Kristaps Porzingis is the real deal. Not only is he a great basketball player, but he’s clutch. He absolutely took over the game tonight. The only thing I need from him now is to see him close a road game. Then he’ll officially be stamped a ruff rydah.

Frank Ntilikina, man. He doesn’t wow you with any one thing he does, but his overall understanding of the game is far beyond what you’d expect from a teenager. The most impressive thing about his stat line is the 3 steals to 2 turnovers. If all Frank Ntilikina does in his career is shoot 3s, disrupt offenses, and rack up assists that’s a damn good ball player.

I was super pumped about Frank. I don’t really get excited by KP anymore. Hes a beast. But Frank on defense was spectacular then he hit the open 3

@17

Yeah, the strong passing is the best surprise so far. People have been high on his defensive potential, and while it’s been even better than expected, it was still expected. His court vision and solid passing pushes his potential ahead of just being a 3 and D guy, but a real PG, even if he never gets to a point where he’s great driving to the basket.

KP on both sides of the ball was insane….but Lance/Frank came from nowhere to be so clutch. Credit to Hornacek for the rotations too. It’s a completely different look defensively trying to get past LT and Frank on the perimeter. We held the Pacers to 17 points in the 4th quarter. That has to be the lowest in a 4th quarter in years.

If Frank tightens that handle and adds a few more inches to that vertical? He’ll be scary. Like a 6’5” version of Giannis scary.

I’d be happy already with the Point Guard version of Andre Iguodala. Frank will probably end up being a better long range shooter and less of an athletic slasher as Iggy was in his early days, but the defensive impact is already well underway.

I’m kind of confused as to how KP has .590 TS% on 36 USG% without Carmelo Anthony’s gravity making everyone’s shooting easier…

If this keeps up through the All-Star break, I will admit to Z-man that I was wrong about Willey Cauley-Stein being a better pick than Porzingis. But not a moment before.

Solid win over a Pacers team that has been playing very well lately. Frank is looking better and better, it is great to see him getting consistent minutes and making good use of them. 3 more steals tonight. KP is carrying the team. Watching him face up and shoot over Anyone is a thing of beauty. I am pleasantly surprised by Hardaway, he has actually been producing. I still don’t think he’s worth that contract, but he’s been better than I thought he’d be. From the looks of it so far, we can kiss that top 5 pick goodbye. Also I was wrong about the Nets being better than the Knicks, at least to this point.

*inserts tongue in cheek*
KP and Ntilikina look like a solid base to build from.

No..seriously..they look really good together..especially defensively. TH2 is playing well thus far as well. Really surprising how he looks for other ways to effect the game when his shot isn’t falling. The Kanter/Willy/KOQ trio is quite the conundrum. I kinda want to keep Kanter and KOQ, but Willy is really good too. At this point, I wouldn’t be mad at all if Willy is traded for a good 1st and a 2 way SF. I’m pretty sure Perry can get a good haul for say..Willy/Kuz/Thomas. But at the same time, I don’t wanna lose a player with Willy’s upside. Kanter is making that a tough decision. McBuckets is playing very well also. Only 9 games in, but things look encouraging. The team is definitely trending up. Phil deserves some credit for it, but not too much because Perry’s good Melo trade and Hornacek’s newfound freedom are a good chunk of this early season feel good-ness

Ntilikina might already rank as one of the best defenders at the 1 in the NBA. What he did to Collison in the 4th was insane. He had the dude afraid to move inside the 3 point line. It was the beginning of the end for one of the best offensive teams in the NBA.

His floor generalship is already far advanced for someone his age. I mean, a 19-year-old (second youngest NBA player) was the orchestrating point guard of an 18 point 4th quarter comeback and I think he only made one turnover.

I don’t worry about his ability to drive to the paint. It will come. If Raymond Felton’s washed up fat ass can get there so can Frank. I just love how he doesn’t force shit and allows the game to come to him. Sometimes it makes him rather passive, but I think he’ll figure out when to become more assertive in situations where defenses sag off.

No..seriously..they look really good together..especially defensively.

And on that pick n roll/pop too. Both look really natural running it together again and again. Frank’s height makes him a perfect distributor in those situations.

@25 – if there’s some hidden meaning there you are too clever for me because I don’t get it. I’m glad they won.

Ntilikina could always defend at a high level. But his ball handling has improved, which has opened up his passing ability. So impressive.— Kevin O'Connor (@KevinOConnorNBA) November 6, 2017

Ntilikina might already rank as one of the best defenders at the 1 in the NBA. What he did to Collison in the 4th was insane

Im all for Frank but this statement is kinda funny. Its Darren Collison……

Let me ask you a legitimate question. How many NBA point guards have the ability to shut down James Harden on multiple plays? If you can give me 4 then Frank isn’t in that discussion.

But its a legitimate question. How many point guards would you expect to guard Harden the way Frank did? I asked myself this question and I could name around 2 or 3 right now.

Gotta love Ntilikina’s performance in this game. Imagine this kid at age 23.

KP wasn’t bad either. Two-way players on the New York Knicks! It’s been a while since we’ve seen that.

The best part about drafting Frank when he was 18? He’s already a productive basketball player and won’t be 23 until his second NBA contract begins. Frank would have played a decade of NBA basketball before his 29th birthday. If he gets some handle and some bounce, he will be unstoppable in that P&R with KP.

The handle will come. Many NBA players improve theirs during the first few seasons, including KP. As it were, one NBA scout just tweeted that Frank improved his handle a lot over the summer from where it was back during the French League. Horny says the kid is like a sponge and you can really see how that isn’t just an empty platitude. He got stronger over the summer, has caught up with the offense despite missing all of the Summer League and most of the preseason (including practices), and it seems he’s worked on his handle all in the span of a few months. No wonder he plays the game at an advanced IQ level for such a young age. The kid can process information and execute it really fast.

That was a great half by Frank. He showed lots of cojones on both ends. No question he is a top-notch defensive guard in the making. I’m still not sold on him as a PG, but that was a step in the right direction. As I said, by the end of November, we’ll know a lot more. Collison and Joseph are decent, but definitely bottom half of the league starting PGs at best.

Is it fair to say that last night blew off a tread on our tank? I mean, it’s hard to lose 50+ games when you have a top-5 player in the league on your team and you’re in the EC. Winning may be costly, but given the tradeoff, isn’t it nice to see a guy in a Knicks uniform as the talk of the league? And I mean one of the best starts in NBA history good?

If this keeps up through the All-Star break, I will admit to Z-man that I was wrong about Willey Cauley-Stein being a better pick than Porzingis. But not a moment before.

man, u r 1 stubborn sob. not because of kp being holy shit good but wcs being meh to the meh

If this keeps up through the All-Star break, I will admit to Z-man that I was wrong about Willey Cauley-Stein being a better pick than Porzingis.

Sure but ya gotta admit Frank n Stein would have been a great pairing namewise.

And Jowles you’re gonna have to give up more in the confessional. KP would be better than Jokic and Kat based on his defensive impact (the “Dwight effect”). Pity the poor opposing 1 guards who if they make it by the octopus on our defensive perimeter will have to deal with the roaming giraffe.

And I know many of you are not gonna like this but it soon may be time to hoist THIS MAN’S sneakers and socks into the MSG rafters next to the jerseys of Clyde, Dollar Bill, Patrick, etc

Pity the poor opposing 1 guards who if they make it by the octopus on our defensive perimeter will have to deal with the roaming giraffe.

This would be a great introductive quote for the next MSG games

Frank is a much better passer than I was expecting.

I don’t get why anyone had an opinion of that from 48 seconds of youtoob videos and an excess of hateraid for Phil. You really had zero information. Cuz Knicks….

The best thing about Frank looks to be his brain. That, put together with his length and natural feel for the game, gives us a lot of hope about the future of the kid.

I don’t know how we’ll finish this year, record-wise, but this looks like a feel good team and boy, did we miss that. I know it was not his fault, but Melo seemed to suck a lot of joy off this team (save that wonderful 12-13 season and the Dad Melo stretch before he rolled his ankle on the ref).

Why would you expect a kid who averaged fewer than 3 assists per 36 over the last two seasons to be a particularly gifted passer?

By the way, why did the Knicks have such a long homestand? That was an oddly long homestand, no? Especially now that teams have more time off between games, I didn’t think they were doing long homestands anymore. Was it a scheduling issue with the Garden not being available later in the year or something like that?

I guess the next question is, when does Frank start? He’s getting more and more comfortable out there, and since Jack offers basically nothing offensively, I’m leaning towards starting him and giving him 30+ minutes. There’s really no downside.

Also, I know we’ve played a lot of home games, but the 4 teams we lost to were OKC and Boston on the road, Detroit (7-3) and Houston. So 5-4 looks pretty damn good to me.

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