Knicks Morning News (2017.07.29)

  • [NYTimes] Knicks Sign Ramon Sessions to Bolster Backcourt
    (Saturday, July 29, 2017 1:11:45 AM)

    The Knicks agreed to a one-year contract with Sessions, a 10-year veteran who will join the rookie Frank Ntilikina and Ron Baker as the team’s point guards.

  • [NYTimes] The Next Great Point Guard? Layshia Clarendon Makes Her Case
    (Friday, July 28, 2017 6:49:05 PM)

    Clarendon leads the W.N.B.A. in assists and assist percentage, earning a spot in the All-Star Game. Few could have imagined that before the season — except her.

  • [ESPN] Knicks, Sessions agree to one-year deal
    (Friday, July 28, 2017 3:23:06 PM)

    Knicks, Sessions agree to one-year deal

  • [NYDN] Knicks finalizing 1-year deal with point guard Ramon Sessions
    (Friday, July 28, 2017 10:50:04 PM)

    Just in time for Frank Ntilikina’s birthday, the Knicks finally have a veteran to help the young point guard.

  • [NYDN] Stephon Marbury: Derrick Rose’s Cavs contract is a ‘crime’
    (Friday, July 28, 2017 8:40:42 AM)

    Stephon Marbury didn’t get the memo.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks sign Ramon Sessions to one-year deal
    (Friday, July 28, 2017 3:04:26 PM)

    Sessions, 31, averaged 6.2 points and 2.6 assists in 50 games last season for the Hornets.

  • [SNY Knicks] Hardaway on Knicks’ massive offer: ‘Man, that’s crazy’
    (Friday, July 28, 2017 9:50:40 AM)

    After signing a four-year, $71 million offer sheet to join the Knicks, guard Tim Hardaway Jr. was reportedly still surprised that New York offered him such a significant deal.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks among six teams to make offer for Cavs’ Irving
    (Friday, July 28, 2017 8:54:00 AM)

    The New York Knicks are reportedly among six teams who have already made an offer to the Cleveland Cavaliers for guard Kyrie Irving.

  • [NY Newsday] Ramon Sessions agrees to one-year deal with Knicks, source says
    (Friday, July 28, 2017 8:32:11 PM)

    The Knicks and journeyman point guard Ramon Sessions agreed on a one-year contract for the league minimum, a source confirmed Friday.

  • [NYPost] Knicks sign their Frank Ntilikina mentor
    (Friday, July 28, 2017 10:49:06 AM)

    The Knicks have their mentor for rookie point guard Frank Ntilikina. Ramon Sessions, 31, a 10-season veteran who spent last season with the Charlotte Hornets, has signed a one year deal worth $2.33 million, according to the guard’s agent, Mark Bartelstein. Sessions carries career averages of 10.6 points and 4.1 assists. Last season, he averaged…

  • 36 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.07.29)”

    The issue with holding onto Kyrie for Cleveland is that there is no way you can convince him to stay. If LeBron leaves, Kyrie Irving is leaving because Cleveland will suck and nobody wants to live in Cleveland. If LeBron stays, Kyrie has already made it clear he doesn’t want to be second fiddle to LeBron. Cleveland has to move him or he will just leave in 2019, and has value goes down with every day that passes. They need to strike while the team who trades for him still gets 2 years of Irving under team control.

    They don’t have to “convince” him to stay. He’s on the roster. Just like Melo is on the Knicks. I don’t begrude star players the right to make demands. They can also stomp their feet and hold their breaths until they turn blue. That doesn’t change the fact that they are still members of the same team.

    The trading landscape will change again just as camp starts. Then again as the season approaches. Then again before the trading deadline. This works in favor of the Knicks. There are no expectations for the Knicks. A bad seed (grumpy Melo) in camp means nothing for a team that’s going nowhere. A bad seed (grumpy Irving) on a championship caliber team will become a major distraction and will put pressure on Cleveland to soften demands.

    It also puts pressure on Melo to soften his side if he really wants to move forward. He has a chance to play with LeBron and contend for the title with some old friends. The two of them can opt out together after next year to form the banana boat team if they like.

    It’s time to chillax about trades. This roster is what we should be prepared to go into the season with. I repeat. The only trades I make are to get rid of Anthony without giving up anything else and any trade which brings back picks for old dudes.

    Oops! Meant to post here…
    Under no circunstances should the Knicks trade Melo if they have to take on a shitty 3-year deal (Leonard, Turner, etc.) If a cap-friendly deal can’t be engineered, just keep him.

    PG: Sessions, Baker, Frank (OJ?)
    SG: Lee, TH2, Dotson
    SF: Lance, Kuz
    PF: Melo, KP
    C: Willy, O’Q, Noah

    Pick up a couple of bigs to round out the roster, or even keep Kornet around, and we’re all set.

    I just want to say, despite any statistics someone might present here, that I don’t think the Knicks should trade for a point guard who believes the world is flat.

    @5 that’s just brilliant. A generation getting brainwashed with more nonsense

    If the Cavs really were offered DeAndre and Beverley for Irving and they don’t take it, they deserve to get bounced by the Celts in the ECF, which looks like a strong possibility.

    They’d get a top-3 center and a guy who can mob Thomas, Wall or Curry for 40 minutes a game. How do you not take that?

    @ 3 – I agree. I mean if you look at your line up, you gotta think hey this could be an ok team to root for. Lots of youth. People will complain about melo taking shots away from people we’re supposed to be developing, but you could minimize that by cutting back on Melo’s minutes.

    I like having Melo start at the 4. However, I would just small ball it right away and have KP play the Center spot to start each game. Slide KP to the 4 when Melo goes the bench and Willie comes in. Also, I think you gotta start Hardaway and bring Lee off the bench.

    Sessions, Frank, Baker
    Hardaway, Lee, Dotson
    Melo/Willie H

    I mean this team could make the playoffs, which people will hate, but if we had this squad opening night and we were winning with reduced minutes from Melo and great play from KP, Willie H, Hardaway, Frank and Dotson…then I would be fine with that. Hopefully Frank shows enough this first season to start by the end of the year.

    We still have KQ and Lee to deal in a move to get a pick or something later. I would think up near the trade deadline a deal of Lee and KQ could bring back a first round pick. At that point Lee has about 2 years left on his deal which is fairly paid and KQ gives you bench depth for a playoff push if you’re a playoff team. And also, the PG position is weak enough that missing the playoffs and we get another top 10 pick next year could also happen. People will bitch about that too because we could get a lottery pick and that would be Melo’s fault or whatever. But then Melo can opt out next summer and sign somewhere else which he will probably do if we don’t make the playoffs or even if we do and only get to say the second round, he would probably leave to banana boat. Then we got that cap space next summer plus maybe at that point we stretch Noah if we want more.

    Do the Melo deal if a pick and a young player who is actually decent comes back. Maybe take one bad contract but getting Anderson and minimal compensation just…

    I mean this team could make the playoffs, which people will hate, but if we had this squad opening night and we were winning with reduced minutes from Melo and great play from KP, Willie H, Hardaway, Frank and Dotson…then I would be fine with that. Hopefully Frank shows enough this first season to start by the end of the year.

    That doesn’t look like a playoff team to me. That looks like maybe a league-average type offensive team and a poor defensive team that can’t rebound at all. That KP/Melo frontcourt would get absolutely mauled on the boards.

    I can’t take another year of melo, much less a certainly grumpy melo on a team with no veteran leaders that he respects to keep him engaged. Life is too short. The whole season will be Sessions walking the ball up and passing to melo for Iso ball.
    I’ll pay shitty Meyers Leonard 30 mil over 3 years if that’s what it takes. We could stretch him in year 3 if need be.

    And Willy has to start and play 30+ minutes or else teams will be playing volleyball against us on the boards.

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry when reading something like that. As a long time high school English teacher, I am a bit concerned. If it was just KI’s comments, who really cares? But, he and this story are just small symptoms of larger issues facing science teachers in schools these days (evolution, global warming, etc.).

    What impact, if any, should that have on the Knicks trading for him? Probably none unless he decides to go on a crusade of sorts about this. I’d like to see his “evidence” that the world is flat, other than just looking outside to the land around you… I guess he believes that all astronauts in history are liars?

    I think if we keep Melo the best role for him is sixth man off the bench.

    Sessions – Frank
    THJ – Lee
    Lance – Melo
    KP – Melo
    Willy – O’Quinn

    That would be a decent defensive starting lineup and with Melo as sixth man it will be easier to hide his defensive shortcomings and help limit him to 28-30 minutes a game to keep him fresh.

    It gets even better if we swap Lee for Harkless if that is in fact a real thing. Then Harkless starts, Baker replaces Lee off the bench and Lance falls out of the rotation.

    It gets even better if we swap Lee for Harkless if that is in fact a real thing.

    Where did that one come from?

    All quiet on the Melo front? And here I was, confident because twitter told me he would be a Houston Rocket during the week.


    Someone posted the rumor after the Crabbe trade that Portland was still open to trading Harkless and mentioned that Portland was interested in a Harkless for Lee trade.

    Honestly, starting point guard might not be decided until training camp. Baker, Sessions or Ntilikina could each win the starting job. I’m rooting for Ntilikina because that would mean we got a very good pick; but even if he proves worth the eighth pick, it’s a lot to ask of an eighteen year old.

    Courtney Lee
    Lance Thomas
    2018 2nd round pick
    2019 1st round pick swap rights
    Kyrie Irving
    Derrick Williams

    I would say yes ! then we would have…..

    Irving – Sessions – Baker – Jaramaz
    Hardaway Jr – Ntilikina – Dotson
    Anthony – Williams
    Porzingis – O’Quinn – Fyre
    Hernangomez – Noah – Kornet

    Just an idea off the top of my head I didn’t even check to see if it works but that, a few more good signings and the fact that the East is so weak. This team could be fun to watch and make some noise plus we keep a young core to develop

    I don’t think the Knicks should trade for a point guard who believes the world is flat.

    The only times I’ve ever seen the term “flat-earther” on this blog, it’s been to describe people that still believe in per-game statistics, and that was bad enough.

    (Which begs the question: can one believe that the earth is flat and believe that scoring efficiency is more important than scoring volume? Because, if so, the latter is the only one that really matters on the basketball court).

    The list of really good rookie guards under 21 since 1980 is the list of players named Chris Paul. Kyrie is the only guard 19 or younger to put up an above average WS/48. If Frank legitimately beats out Ramon Sessions it means Sessions is completely cooked or Frank is a lot better than we expect.

    I agree completely. It’s why i feel that if Ntilikina is getting regular rotation minutes as the first backup point guard, we got very good value for the eighth pick. That said, very few 18 year olds come into the league with real professional experience. So I am irrationally having hope for him this season.

    Cleveland wants young players and draft picks for Irving.
    We give them two young players plus two vets who can help them immediately as well as draft picks although we may just have to lose a 1st instead of swap rights and possibly throw in another young player

    I don’t think Kuz and Randle are the sort of plyers Cleveland is thinking of when they say ghey want young players.

    Someone posted the rumor after the Crabbe trade that Portland was still open to trading Harkless and mentioned that Portland was interested in a Harkless for Lee trade.

    If we do a deal with the Cavs for Melo, I would be in favor of following it up a Lee for Harkless deal.

    I would rather give up Melo and 2 first round picks (with some protections) for Kyrie than include either Willy or Frank.

    I’m not entirely convinced Willy is going to be more than a solid role player because of limitations on the defensive end, but he’s going to be good and giving him up would not exactly make KP very happy.

    Even though we haven’t seen a minute of Frank yet, I’m convinced he’s going to be a dynamite player. He may not become a top offensive threat, but I think he’s at least going to be a high level 3&D player with other skills. I can imagine him being a better version of Avery Bradley. One thing that made me more optimistic was an article I read about his 3 point shooting. He was put through some shooting tests and the guy that evaluated him suggested he’s got a chance to be come an elite 3 point shooter. Plus, pairing Frank with Kyrie would be perfect.

    Kyrie/KP/Frank/THJ is a pretty solid young core with plenty of upside.

    It would be really cool to see Kyrie and Frank work together. Frank could cover some of Kyrie’s defensive lapses, and Kyrie would get Frank more than a few open 3 pointers. Kyrie/Frank/Dotson(or any 3&D type)/KP/Willie would be an elite shooting unit and could just bury opponents in 3’s while being passable on the defensive end. Lots of supposition and wishful thinking here, but that would be a fun lineup that would have years to develop together. Throw Hardaway in the mix as a scoring sixth man, and you have yourself a core.

    I don’t want to give up Frank under almost any circumstances. Even if he’s not a big star, every team needs players like him, but the Knicks haven’t had someone like that for a long time. I certainly dont want to lose him to get Kyrie. Anyway, I’m emotionally invested in wanting to see him play in actual Knick’s games.

    Under those trade circumstances are the only deal I think we should take. It doesn’t hurt us and makes us better while still keeping our top prospects anything else I say no to a Kyrie deal. Both Kyrie and Lebron are gonna be gone from Cleveland in 2 years or less they better get something now while they can or they’ll be looking at Paul Gorge type deals

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