Knicks Morning News (2016.02.21)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks snap 7-game losing streak with win over Timberwolves (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 06:31:13 GMT)

    The Knicks had been waiting for this moment for nearly a month. For Kurt Rambis, the wait was much longer.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Carmelo Anthony, Knicks look stuck in bad marriage (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 06:29:53 GMT)

    This Tuesday marks the fifth anniversary of when Carmelo Anthony made his Knicks debut in a win over the Milwaukee Bucks.

  • [New York Daily News] Carmelo Anthony unenthused about Jimmer Fredette (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 04:46:32 GMT)

    Jimmer Fredette fever is alive and well everywhere except the Knicks locker room.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Ride Hot Shooting to 115-112 Victory Over Clippers (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 05:30:33 GMT)

    The Golden State Warriors rebounded from their biggest loss of the season with a dominating shooting performance.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Motivated Warriors Rebound by Slipping Past the Clippers (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 05:27:42 GMT)

    The Warriors, coming off a 32-point drubbing at Portland, have still not lost back-to-back games this season.

  • [New York Times] Green’s 11th Triple-Double Leads Warriors Over Clippers (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 05:12:27 GMT)

    Guard Klay Thompson scored 32 points and forward Draymond Green recorded his NBA-leading 11th triple-double, allowing the Golden State Warriors to bounce back from their worst showing of the season with a 115-112 victory over the Los Angeles Clippers on Saturday at Staples Center.

  • [New York Times] Parker, Monroe Help Bucks Hold Off Hawks in Double Overtime (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 04:42:34 GMT)

    Bucks coach Jason Kidd has been waiting for a signature victory on the road.

  • [New York Times] Parker Fires Bucks Past Hawks (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 04:42:28 GMT)

    Jabari Parker is starting to come into his own.

  • [New York Times] Melo, Lopez Help Knicks Snap 7-Game Skid With W Over Wolves (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 04:36:42 GMT)

    Kurt Rambis spent two largely forgettable seasons as the head coach in Minnesota, battling former boss David Kahn and losing 100 more games than he won before being fired.

  • [New York Times] Nets Waive Forward Bargnani (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 04:27:28 GMT)

    The Brooklyn Nets waived former No. 1 overall draft pick Andrea Bargnani on Saturday, signaling a new direction for the team under their recently hired general manager Sean Marks.

  • [New York Times] Whiteside Has 25 Points, 23 Rebounds; Heat Beat Wizards (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 04:18:30 GMT)

    Hassan Whiteside liked the fast pace the Miami Heat played with the night before in a victory in Atlanta — and wanted to be a part of it.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 103, Timberwolves 95: Knicks End Skid With Win Over Timberwolves, Rambis’s Former Team (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 04:07:06 GMT)

    Kurt Rambis, the Knicks’ interim coach, who was fired as Minnesota’s coach after the 2011 season, earned a victory in his return to Target Center.

  • [New York Post] Carmelo Anthony doesn’t seem jacked about Jimmer Fredette (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 04:09:57 -0500)

    MINNEAPOLIS – Carmelo Anthony better learn the name of his imminent teammate. When asked by The Post Saturday night about the imminent signing of D-League sensation Jimmer Fredette to a 10-day contract, Anthony said, “Who are we getting? To be honest with you, I haven’t seen Jimmy play in a long time. I’ve been hearing…

  • [New York Post] Will Ricky Rubio be available for Knicks, others in offseason? (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 00:51:19 -0500)

    MINNEAPOLIS — The Knicks never felt the Timberwolves were serious about dealing flashy point guard Ricky Rubio, the former Spanish sensation who has been a mildly disappointing NBA player. After all, Saturday night was Ricky Rubio Bobblehead Night at Target Center. But will that change in the summertime, who knows? Facing fellow Spaniard and point…

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks end 7-game slide as Carmelo Anthony shines in win over Timberwolves (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 02:03:31 EST)

    There was a rare sight on the Knicks' bench. Players were cheering, smiling and laughing instead of looking angry and upset.

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks' Kurt Rambis tosses out his record as Timberwolves' coach (Sun, 21 Feb 2016 02:01:22 EST)

    MINNEAPOLIS — Kurt Rambis' career coaching record isn't easy on the eyes, but he said that doesn't concern him.

  • 52 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.02.21)”

    Yesterday’s win was actually a low point this year for me. I’m bummed to see Rambis playing Melo and Afflalo* 38-41 minutes each on B2Bs against the Net and the Wolves, and especially to see him keeping KP stuck to the bench for all but 12 minutes. Foul trouble doesn’t explain 12 minutes with 4 fouls, and playing like shit for those 12 minutes shouldn’t matter. We are done this year, and when you’re done for the year you don’t want a coach who thinks his future might entirely depend on a miraculous playoff run.

    *Melo because it is crazy to run him into the ground right now, Afflalo because there is no way that dude should be playing 40 minutes a game even on this crappy team. I guess the Afflalo part doesn’t really matter, but I find it annoying. The guy was obviously exhausted yesterday to the point where he tripped over the three point line, whiffed on a floating perimeter pass patty-cake style, and pick up the same wrong guy on defense on two consecutive possessions. All that would be understandable if he was Kawhi Leonard when fully charged, but come on.

    I wonder if we would have had any chance of signing David Lee or Steve Novak for the remainder of this year (waiving Seraphin and Amundson?) Both of those guys seem like they could have helped. Lee, in particular, seems like the perfect backup player in the triangle.

    I’ve said all season long that Melo needs Novak this year. Novak needs Melo too lol. I see where he signed with the Bucks. I don’t like that fit for him, but everyone wants to go home these days. I’d be thrilled with Lee, but not at the expense of OQ’s or Williams’ minutes. Had OQ been traded, then Lee would be a really great move. I’m still a little sore Phil seemingly didn’t pursue a Melo trade while his trade value is still relatively high. I’m telling you: his value will drop this offseason. I like Melo a lot, but with KP being the revelation that he is- I don’t wanna be stuck with Melo. Career trajectories are wayyyy off for Melo and KP. This isn’t like David Robinson an TIMMAY because Duncan was ready to help the Spurs win right away, and they had great (unbeknownst to them) pieces in place in Pop, Manu & Parker.

    12 minutes for KP is inexcusable. So is putting Grant in the doghouse, behind SASHA FUCKING VUJACIC. I hate this coach and I hate that Phil refuses to give a mandate to the effect of “Play our rookie first-round pick so we can develop him instead of our 32 year old washout”

    So is putting Grant in the doghouse, behind SASHA FUCKING VUJACIC.

    See, the thing is that I don’t think Grant was in the doghouse. Rambis (if I remember correctly) praised his play last game. I have no idea why he didn’t use him last night-and what concerns me is that I’m not sure Rambis does either.

    I’d give Phil a B for his signings, trades, and draft picks. Without KP, it would be a C. This whole triangle/coaching stuff is a F-. It’s all idiotic. He’s so hell bent on proving that it was the “system” that won all those championships (and not mostly Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe, and Gasol) that he’s mentally incapable of seeing reality. All coaches want ball movement, player movement, and team play. But we are doing the exact opposite of everything that advanced stats and Mike D’Antoni have taught the league about running an efficient offense. It’s a mental block. I’ve seen this in economics and many other areas of life. Once you become invested (emotionally, intellectually, ego wise etc..) in a model of thinking, it’s virtually impossible to change no matter how much reality conflicts with your thinking.

    Even when we win, the ship be sinkin’.

    I can smell the Brian Shaw hire coming from ten miles away. It’s happening, people. Brian Shaw is going to be the coach of this ish.

    If we don’t get Luke Walton, I seriously believe it will be David Blatt. I don’t think Blatt would be a bad hire, either. I doubt we sign Brian Shaw and Kurt is probably done. Phil might impose one of his triangle offense coaching assistant buddies, but I highly doubt we get the triangle offense past this season. Even if the coach is Luke Walton, that doesn’t seem like something we’re going to force down the throats of everyone.

    All coaches want ball movement, player movement, and team play. But we are doing the exact opposite of everything that advanced stats and Mike D’Antoni have taught the league about running an efficient offense.

    There is no one way to run an efficient offense. The Spurs have the third most efficient offense in the NBA and they don’t run a D’Antonio offense. The Raptors don’t pass the ball, run at the same pace as the Knicks, and have the 6th best offense in the NBA. You know who shoots most frequently in the SSOL range? The Wizards, who have an offense ranked 2 spots above the Knicks.

    Interestingly, we are (by a good margin) the worst shooting team in the NBA when taking shots in the first seven seconds. I wonder if that’s a scheme thing, or we have a team of guys who can’t make layups or shoot off the dribble or what?

    I feel like Shaw and Fisher are the same. If Phil hires Shaw, that will be unequivocally his worst move. Simply because Fisher could’ve been afforded more time. I think Phil goes hard after Walton or returns to coaching himself. Unless, of course, he decides that he should truly be less stubborn about the triangle. Honestly, I would be beyond thrilled if he pulled a Danny Ainge and landed an up and coming college coach and turned Melo into a younger player or 2 and a pick. The only way I see his next hire working is if Phil defies conventional wisdom and picks a coach/rebuilding plan that is “Anti-Zen”. Luke Walton will be a good coach one day, and I’d be happy to have him lead the troops. But it just feels like no one is gonna be able to truly implement the system as long as the team is married to Melo- simply because his window is rapidly closing. Our Knicks truly need a culture change, ala the Riley hire. Phil was a good hire, but is stubbornness when it comes to the system he wants is becoming a blemish. He really needs to throw ‘system thinking’ out of the window and say, “we need this hire to be good”. Sounds simple enough, but it’s a real challenge for Phil. I’m pretty sure if we had a good coach in place, the team’s recent struggles would be less of a problem. For instance, there’s no doubt a veteran coach like Thibs would have gotten more out of the current roster than Fish. Fish may become a good coach, but let’s be honest- he was doomed from jump. When you have an established star who’s on the downswing of his career and his window is getting smaller by the minute, you don’t hire a 1st time coach straight out of retirement as a player. He won’t get to grow and develop his identity and system the way he needs to. Had Melo been traded and replaced by younger players/picks, Fish’s hire would have been fine. Phil goofed on this one and I think that’s the biggest reason Fish is no longer the coach.

    James Dolan doesn’t do “up and coming”. He hires name brands because he’s the Real Housewives version of an owner.

    James Dolan doesn’t do “up and coming”. He hires name brands because he’s the Real Housewives version of an owner.

    Ha! That’s by far the best description of Dolan I’ve heard yet

    There is no one way to run an efficient offense.

    Sorry, but I disagree.

    Obviously, there are a lot of components to playing an efficient offense. Of course, the personnel you have is big part of it. If you don’t have the right players to fit what you are trying to do or they are simply not very good to begin with, you won’t do well. You have to adjust to what you do have and they have to be good players.

    However, if you are starting from scratch as the Knicks have been, it would be really wise to get a PG that can run, penetrate, shoots 3s, and run P&R well, athletic players that can play fast, wings and a PF that can shoot 3s (especially from the corner), a big man that finises well on the P&R, generally willing passers, and players willing to attack the basket and get to the FT line.

    You should avoid post play (unless you have a true standout), mid range and longer 2s, and players that stop the ball.

    Look at that recipe and you’ll see most of the smart teams trying to play faster, running a lot of P&R, trying to spread the floor with 3 point shooters (especially from the corner) etc….

    We are heading in the opposite direction.

    Our system is barely interested in PG penetration. We play out of the post a lot. Our coach and president scoff at P&R basketball and corner 3s (yes, Jackson has even specifically said that corner 3s are not a very good idea), and both value the mid range game. We don’t even try to get to the FT line a lot.

    Our direction is not a function of the players we have. Our players are a function of trying to build a team to play a system that is out of date and was never very good to begin with other than generally promoting ball movement and player movement (which all good system do).

    We don’t have a game today but we still managed our 2nd loss of the weekend.

    Phil is not gonna be happy. That RT is hella transactional.

    OKC about to lose their 2nd straight home game since the All Star break, getting crushed by the Cavs.

    Durant is halfway to NY.

    I can’t wait for Kobe to retire.

    They should bench Westbrook before he starts throwing at Delly

    We should somehow obtain Anthony Davis

    Kevin Seraphin for Anthony Davis.

    Boom. Done. This GM’ing shit is easy.

    Kevin Durant deserves better than a team that gives Dion Waiters and Randy Foye a combined 47 minutes. Same for Russell Westbrook. That Thunder team is gonna have a hard time selling tickets with Cam Payne and Enes Kanter as their 1-2 punch in a few years.

    Hot damn that is a game. 57 points, 19 rebounds.

    Yeah, but Drummond outplayed him, he had 3 blocks. Davis only had 1. Chump.

    @29 yeah something tells me those two guys don’t love OKC the way Me7o loves NYC.

    They can’t win there. Not with GS and SAS in their conference. They are a toss up with the Clippers.

    We hopefully can snag one of the 2

    I think we’ll have a great shot at Westbrook. Unless we trade Lopez and KP is ready to be a full time center, I don’t see Durant coming to NY to play the 2.

    I also believe Sam Presti is doing a terrible job putting good players around his two Hall of Fame talents. Randy Foye, bro? Really?

    I don’t see Durant coming to NY to play the 2.

    The one Benny of this season is that Melo is showing and working on his playmaking skills. That can help to get other scorers here.

    And KP6 is a Benny 🙂

    If every player in the NBA had to enter a draft right now and all players signed a 5 year deal, I think Anthony Davis would easily be the 1st pick. Over anyone else in the league, that young man is the truth. Plain and simple. 59 points and 20 rebounds in the NBA against Stan Van Gundy and Andre Drummond before his 23rd birthday. That’s special.

    If you watch the highlights, you’ll see an older and more seasoned Kristaps Porzingis. I typed that without laughing, too.

    Anthony Davis is and always will be a hell of a lot better than Treetops. That’s nothing to be ashamed of. He is a first ballot hall of famer top 20 all time kind of guy in my view.

    Would be nice if it turned out that way of course….

    Kawhi doesn’t have the point scoring potential of AD, though. Pointz will always reign supreme in this league. I think even Pop and Buford would trade Kawhi for Anthony Davis.

    Kawhi should be pick #2, though. My top 5 players in today’s game in no particular order would probably be Steph, Kawhi, Anthony Davis, LeBron, and Westbrook.

    Not to rain on the AD love fest or anything, but he’s actually having a pretty mediocre season by the standards of a first ballot HOF’er:

    TS .559
    Rebounds 9.9
    Blocks 2.2

    I mean, not terrible or anything, but nothing earth shattering either. Not to say I wouldn’t want him on my team any day of the week, but he has been a little off his game this year.

    For sure. He’s not the super monster he was last year, but I still wouldn’t rather have any other player to build around than him. Maybe Towns, but AD is excellent.

    AD is having a bit of a down year. Although significantly less down after today. Not backing down though. I think he will end up going down as an all time great….

    Over the next 5 years, though, Anthony Davis will probably produce more wins for you than Towns. You’d have him from his age 23-28 seasons. Either way it absolutely sucks that both of those guys play for franchises that seem rather hopeless. Minnesota at least has young talent already around Towns, but New Orleans honestly only has the NBA draft going for itself.

    Minny better hope that one of those other young dudes develops, because they’re heading for a reprise of the Starbury/KG Wolves. I don’t want to see a head-tatted Zach Lavine eating Vaseline 10 years from now.

    I honestly have zero interest in signing Russell Westbrook from ages 29-33. The guy has like every red flag there is for early decline. Draws tons of fouls, jumps a lot, runs a lot, small, quick, can’t shoot threes… He’s also a free agent in the year the cap will peak, so he’s going to get the biggest max there will be for a while. I’d pay $5 for every $1 you want to bet that whoever signs him is still happy about it by early in the third year of the deal.

    KD isn’t the defensive player either guy is, though. Kawhi and Anthony Davis are elite defensive players. As awesome and gamebreaking Steph and KD are on offense (and neither guy is a bad defender), basketball is still a two way game. I understand the reasoning though; both players guarantee your offense will be in the top 5 so long as you don’t put too many Dion Waiters’ on the team. I just prefer AD and Kawhi Leonard, especially if I’m building a team ground up.

    I’d possibly pick Kawhi just because of health concerns actually. AD been hurt a ton and looking at his frame it’s hard not to worry about it happening again.

    Either I way, I sincerely hope that in my lifetime the Knicks have a player as good and as young as either of those guys.

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