Knicks Morning News (2015.12.11)

  • [New York Times] Kings 99, Knicks 97: No Whistle, and No Win, for Carmelo Anthony and Knicks (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 08:52:10 GMT)

    Anthony appeared to be fouled by Rajon Rondo before a last-second shot but did not get the call, and the Knicks fell to the Kings for their fourth straight loss.

  • [New York Times] Rondo’s Dunk Helps Lead Kings Past Knicks, 99-97 (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 06:18:34 GMT)

    Rajon Rondo had 16 points, 12 assists and a jaw-dropping dunk in the fourth quarter that led the Sacramento Kings to a 99-97 victory over the New York Knicks on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] NBA Capsules (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 05:15:39 GMT)

    Kevin Durant had 25 points, 12 rebounds and 10 assists in his seventh career triple-double, and the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Atlanta Hawks 107-94 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | College Basketball: Iowa State Avoids an Upset (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 05:06:09 GMT)

    Monte Morris hit a runner with nine seconds left, and fourth-ranked Iowa State rallied from a 20-point deficit to stun visiting Iowa, 83-82.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Bargnani Scores 23 to Lift the Nets (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 05:01:50 GMT)

    Andrea Bargnani scored a season-high 23 points, Thaddeus Young had 18 points and 11 rebounds, and the Nets beat the Philadelphia 76ers, 100-91, on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Bargnani Fires Late to Help Nets See Off 76ers (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 04:18:27 GMT)

    Reserve forward Andrea Bargnani scored 13 of his season-high 23 points during the fourth quarter to help the Brooklyn Nets overcome the Philadelphia 76ers with a 100-91 victory on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Durant Records Triple-Double as Thunder Shoots Down Hawks (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 04:15:27 GMT)

    Forward Kevin Durant recorded a triple-double to lead the Oklahoma City Thunder to a 107-94 victory over the Atlanta Hawks at Chesapeake Energy Arena on Thursday.

  • [New York Times] Gasol Scores 24, Bulls Beat Clippers 83-80 to Stop Skid (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 03:57:44 GMT)

    Pau Gasol scored 24 points and the Chicago Bulls beat the Los Angeles Clippers 83-80 on Thursday night to snap a three-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Durant’s Triple-Double Leads Thunder Past Hawks, 107-94 (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 03:36:44 GMT)

    Kevin Durant had 25 points, 12 rebounds and 10 assists in his seventh career triple-double, and the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Atlanta Hawks 107-94 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] Bargnani Scores Season-Best 23, Nets Beat 76ers 100-91 (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 03:21:47 GMT)

    Andrea Bargnani scored a season-high 23 points, Thaddeus Young had 18 points and 11 rebounds, and the Brooklyn Nets beat the Philadelphia 76ers 100-91 on Thursday night.

  • [New York Times] NBA: ‘Premature’ to Consider if Walton Could Coach All-Stars (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 01:49:05 GMT)

    Steve Kerr wouldn’t be eligible to coach in the All-Star Game. The NBA hasn’t determined if Luke Walton would.

  • [New York Times] Dolph Schayes, a Bridge to Modern Basketball, Is Dead at 87 (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 01:18:10 GMT)

    A 6-foot-8 forerunner of the power forward in today’s game, Schayes was the first N.B.A. player to score 15,000 points, a 12-time All-Star and a league champion with the 1955 Syracuse Nationals.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks bad road trip continues with loss to Sacramento Kings (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 08:27:19 GMT)

    Rajon Rondo padded his highlight reel, Carmelo Anthony missed the big shot and the Knicks took yet another loss on the chin.

  • [New York Post] Are Knicks Carmelo’s or Porzingis’ team? George Karl weighs in (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 03:08:53 -0500)

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Kings coach George Karl said there was a chance Sacramento would have picked 7-foot-3 Knicks rookie Kristaps Porzingis with the top pick in the draft. The Kings selected seventh and were hoping Porzingis fell to them, according to Karl. Sacramento instead took Kentucky big man Willie Cauley-Stein, who missed Thursday's 99-97 victory…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Derrick Williams doesn’t know why Fisher benches him (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 01:36:36 -0500)

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. — After a lousy stint in Minnesota, Derrick Williams felt he improved in Sacramento, which he called "a great basketball town'' and "great for my career.'' But the second-overall pick in the 2011 draft still wanted a fresh start in New York. The Kings made him a low priority to re-sign. Knicks president…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ furious rally dashed by Carmelo’s game-ending brick (Fri, 11 Dec 2015 01:31:07 -0500)

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. — All of Carmelo Anthony's frustration of the last week could have been wiped out with one last-second swish. Anthony had a chance to be a last-second hero after the Knicks made a stunning rally from 13 points down in the fourth quarter. But it didn't materialize. Behind a big late push by…

  • 63 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2015.12.11)”

    Did not stay up to watch the end, but did watch the highlights. Three comments —
    – On that Cousins dunk, he not only elbowed KP in the head, he took three steps. If Melo pulled the same move, the refs probably would have called a flagrant foul on him.
    – The no call on the last shot was ridiculous. I’m not talking about the contact during the shot but right before the shot. Rondo clearly grabbed Melo’s wrist and pulled it just as Melo was about to go into his shooting motion.
    – The “he should have passed to Porzingis” criticism is ridiculous. Watch the replay. Porzingis didn’t cut to the basket and get open until Melo was already starting his shooting motion. So, if you look at the picture as the shot was being released, it looks like KP was wide open. If you look at the replay, he really wasn’t.

    – On that Cousins dunk, he not only elbowed KP in the head, he took three steps.

    Only three I counted about six. lol
    It is amazing the post moves you can have if you don’t have to follow the rules of the game.

    5 point shot from behind the half court line….

    Tell me you are not intrigued….

    I like the idea of teams down 5 running plays in their own half.

    On a positive note, Galloway has shot 41.7% from 3 over the last 5 games and is 43.2% on the year.

    Yeah I really hope he gets hot again. I think Fisher needs to change up the starting lineup.

    Porzingis
    Melo
    Thomas
    Galloway
    Calderon

    Have Melo run a lot of point forward in the pnr sets with Porzingis

    Porzingis playing the 5 makes a lot of sense from an offensive standpoint but I also realized something important last night: it also demands a lot of him from a defensive standpoint when he has to guard the paint against stronger, more physical big men. He did a number on Cousins in the 4th quarter depriving him of the basketball and contesting his shots, but I don’t know if I want to see him doing that during his 28+ minutes a game. Taking that type of offensive punishment is an awful lot to put on the youngblood considering we’re already talking about making sure he doesn’t wear down his rookie season.

    @1

    Exactly, Kp was covered up behind Cousins and when Melo was at the top of his shooting motion that’s when Cousins fell a lseep and KP broke open. I would have liked Melo to have seen KP and threw a lob becuase we have seen Melo, and others, go into there shooting motion and change their mind at the last moment then pass to a teammate. Those passes in the half court is usually 10-15ft away and not 40 ft with the game on the line. So I can understand a player missing a player just breaking open when he is trying to focus on the rim.

    Also, I seem to remember a ghost foul on Shump being called against Paul George a few years ago late. Where is that ref when you need him?

    One of the key principles of the Triangle is penetration. The great Triangle teams had Kobe or Jordan on them, and those guys c0uld put the ball on the floor, break down defenses and get to the hoop. We don’t have a guard anything remotely like that, we have slow and unathletic guards. We also have an expensive free agent center who is completely unsuited to play in the pinch post, but who we send out there to try and fail for 20 minutes a night anyway. The one bright spot on the team is a player who should excel in the pick and roll/pick and pop, but we don’t give him opportunities to do that because “how’s it goink.” Pick and rolls are bad because everybody likes them and we play old-timey hipster basketball here.

    Ditch the triangle. We don’t have the personnel, even after two offseasons attempting to acquire the right personnel.

    Porzingis playing the 5 makes a lot of sense from an offensive standpoint but I also realized something important last night: it also demands a lot of him from a defensive standpoint when he has to guard the paint against stronger, more physical big men. He did a number on Cousins in the 4th quarter depriving him of the basketball and contesting his shots, but I don’t know if I want to see him doing that during his 28+ minutes a game. Taking that type of offensive punishment is an awful lot to put on the youngblood considering we’re already talking about making sure he doesn’t wear down his rookie season.

    100% agreed. I think that will continue to be our best lineup, and we should close tight games with it, but I would be judicious with its use similar to what Golden State does with putting Draymond at the 5. It’s super effective, but you don’t want either Zingus or Green taking so much unnecessary pounding.

    Also I think Zinger is already showing some mild signs of fatigue. He doesn’t seem to have quite the same legs under him that were making him such an unstoppable force on the offensive glass the first few weeks, and both of the last two nights he looked like he was doing some huffing and puffing. I think Fisher is doing an okay job of parceling out his minutes carefully at the moment.

    As for the rest of this mess, I think a lot of people’s preseason rose-colored glasses about the quality of this team are finally losing their tint. This is a pretty low quality roster, with a bad coach, and a “star” player coming back off an injury who definitely doesn’t look like he’s all the way back to where he was before (and he was in decline before). And we’ve actually been extremely healthy so far. We’re going to need a small miracle to be a playoff team.

    We’re going to need a small miracle to be a playoff team.

    We’re going to need a huge miracle to be a playoff team. Fixed that for you

    We’re going to need a huge miracle to be a playoff team. Fixed that for you

    Yeah, you’re actually right about that. I checked the Hollinger playoff odds just now for the first time this year, and we’re already down to a .4% chance to make the playoffs, so that dream is basically dead.

    On a related note the overall standings this year are pretty fascinating to me. Golden State is 5 games up on second place San Antonio, who is 3 games up on Cleveland for the 3rd best record, and then 13 teams are withing 3 games of them, including 9 EC teams. 1.5 games separate Cleveland in first and Atlanta in 8th in the East; 12 games separate Golden State in first and Houston in 8th in the West. Very odd.

    We’re going to need a small miracle to be a playoff team.

    We’re going to need a huge miracle to be a playoff team.

    Given Phil and Fish, perhaps nothing positive will ever happen to this team unless we bumble into it through failure. The sooner it’s clear we’re not making the playoffs, the better!! Why?
    1. Fish is less likely to play KP big minutes risking his health and future
    2. Fish might focus more on developing Grant/Galloway, playing them together in starting unit
    3. Melo might be more amenable to a trade at deadline (Heat for Johnson/Deng and fillers?)
    4. Phil might look to trade Calderon/Afflalo at trade deadline
    5. Phil might rethink the use of the Triangle

    The offense looked absolutely awful last night when Lopez was out there. The solution is to run PnRs/PnPs with Porzingis surrounded by 3 shooters, but I’m not sure what would have to happen for Fisher to go 4-out near full-time. Lopez, Seraphin, O’Quinn, and Amundson would probably all have to get injured. It’s annoying.

    The offense looked absolutely awful last night when Lopez was out there. The solution is to run PnRs/PnPs with Porzingis surrounded by 3 shooters, but I’m not sure what would have to happen for Fisher to go 4-out near full-time.

    Isn’t it funny that after 5 years of beating this same drum as fans, we’re on our 2nd head coach, 2nd front office, and they still won’t do this, save for that short period of time where they (meaning Woodson) stumbled into it.

    When it’s all said and done, Melo’s going to have a lot to look back on in his career and wonder What If, but spending the prime of his career on an organization that failed to recognize this will be one of them.

    What’s even odder is they’ve had Melo this whole time, who is/would be a monster in a spread PNR system with him at the 4, and now they have someone in KP who is even more of a freak and might be even better-suited for that style of play, and they still won’t do it.

    Isn’t it funny that after 5 years of beating this same drum as fans, we’re on our 2nd head coach, 2nd front office, and they still won’t do this, save for that short period of time where they (meaning Woodson) stumbled into it.

    When it’s all said and done, Melo’s going to have a lot to look back on in his career and wonder What If, but spending the prime of his career on an organization that failed to recognize this will be one of them.

    What’s even odder is they’ve had Melo this whole time, who is/would be a monster in a spread PNR system with him at the 4, and now they have someone in KP who is even more of a freak and might be even better-suited for that style of play, and they still won’t do it.

    I wonder what its like to have a competent coach. Riles and JVG were so long ago.

    Phil Jackson has made one great move: drafting Porzingis.
    He has made one other solid move: trading the useless Hardaway for the potentially not useless Grant.

    The rest of his moves are a big mountain of “meh.”

    Even so, it’s the best management we’ve seen around here since the 90s.

    Don’t underestimate the hole he was in when he got here.

    What he does with Melo this offseason will be huge. I remain optimistic we can fleece the Lakers in a trade.

    As long as management isn’t throwing away 1st round picks I’m relatively happy. It’s not the acquisitions so much as the triangle anyway.

    Small (actually no) consolation, but the NBA two minute report came out and said that Rondo should have been called for a foul for pulling Melo’s wrist right before he took the last shot.

    My goal would be to try to get Randle and buy low on Russell in a trade with the Lakers.

    And I think they would do it. They’re going to have a top 3 pick (if it’s out of the top 3, it goes to Philadelphia), enough cap space to sign a top FA. They could potentially put out Conley, Clarkson, Melo, Hibbert, and Ben Simmons next year. That seems like something they would be interested in. Scott certainly doesn’t seem keen on the idea of playing rookies, and they’re not the kind of franchise that patiently rebuilds. Plus they’ve traded away 2 of their next 3 1st round picks, so even if they wanted to rebuild…

    Nothing about D’Angelo Russell’s numbers suggest he’s as good as his draft status, but a lot of that could be put on Scott and Kobe. I’d be happy to take a flier and fill out the backcourt with Russell, Grant, Galloway. And Randle could fit nicely along Porzingis.

    maybe I’m wildly optimistic.

    My goal would be to try to get Randle and buy low on Russell in a trade with the Lakers.

    And I think they would do it. They’re going to have a top 3 pick (if it’s out of the top 3, it goes to Philadelphia), enough cap space to sign a top FA. They could potentially put out Conley, Clarkson, Melo, Hibbert, and Ben Simmons next year. That seems like something they would be interested in. Scott certainly doesn’t seem keen on the idea of playing rookies, and they’re not the kind of franchise that patiently rebuilds. Plus they’ve traded away 2 of their next 3 1st round picks, so even if they wanted to rebuild…

    Nothing about D’Angelo Russell’s numbers suggest he’s as good as his draft status, but a lot of that could be put on Scott and Kobe. I’d be happy to take a flier and fill out the backcourt with Russell, Grant, Galloway. And Randle could fit nicely along Porzingis.

    maybe I’m wildly optimistic.

    I find it hard to believe the Lakers are as blind to their situation as that trade would suggest. We’ve seen how much Scott ruins players. Especially dynamic guards like Russell. I think their situation is that they just want to make sure they get that top three pick, as having a real coach probably gets them up to #6 or 7. Once they get that top three pick, I think the odds are astronomical that they’ll cut bait with Scott. Bill Simmons, though, opined recently and I agree with him, that it really probably is not worth it to ruin Randle and Russell for a year to get that pick, especially when there’s no certainty that they get that pick.

    Don’t get me wrong, though, I hope that the Lakers are that dumb – I just don’t think they are.

    I think teams out there would still take on Melo, contract and all. They’re just not going to be offering anything special for him. It becomes a question of whether you prefer a declining Melo or the cap space. In other words, he’s never leaving. So just deal with it now. He’s here to stay. I’ll joke about Melo trades, but he’s never actually leaving.

    I watched the 2nd quarter yesterday, hoping to witness this Latvian Beast that I’ve read so much about here over the past few weeks. What I saw was a bunch of guys I didn’t recognize playing a thoroughly recognizable game of New York Knick suckball. When Porzingis finally stepped onto the court, that was pretty much the most active he was until I had to turn it off. After his mammoth step onto the court on he basically just stood there, watching his teammates pass the ball to each other and, apparently, run the offense through Brook Lopez’s less-competent twin. Not sure if this is a typical 2nd quarter for him, but it sure seems like he should be fed the ball when he’s set up in the low block with Omri Casspi on him… Has there been any move to feature him in the offense, or are all his point of the “garbage” variety, like D Lee of yore?

    I think people need to start whispering in Melo’s ear about how far $22M goes in a place like Oklahoma City or Minneapolis. He probably has to live in a rent-controlled microapartment in the LES at his salary. Melo, elsewhere you could really get a lot more house for the money.

    I watched the 2nd quarter yesterday, hoping to witness this Latvian Beast that I’ve read so much about here over the past few weeks. What I saw was a bunch of guys I didn’t recognize playing a thoroughly recognizable game of New York Knick suckball. When Porzingis finally stepped onto the court, that was pretty much the most active he was until I had to turn it off. After his mammoth step onto the court on he basically just stood there, watching his teammates pass the ball to each other and, apparently, run the offense through Brook Lopez’s less-competent twin. Not sure if this is a typical 2nd quarter for him, but it sure seems like he should be fed the ball when he’s set up in the low block with Omri Casspi on him… Has there been any move to feature him in the offense, or are all his point of the “garbage” variety, like D Lee of yore?

    That was one of his worst first halves of the season in terms of just seeming to be a bit winded. If you watch highlights of the fourth quarter, that is more like the Porzingis we’ve seen most of the year.

    Porzingod was fine in the 4th quarter. He was actually outmuscling Cousins at times and it was funny to see. One time he even gave Cousins a push just because he felt like it. I love the Porzingod!

    Warriors on the East Coast? check

    TWC still offering free League Pass? check

    Good Friday night? check

    Major observation. Draymond Green would have been a good draft pick.

    Also, Tommy Heinsohn should be in the Homer Hall of Fame.

    Correction – the Homer Hall of Fame should be named Heinsohn Hall. Either him or the guy from the White Sox (Hawk Harrelson)

    Owen you must be excited. David Lee”s baskets have the Celtics ahead of Golden State in the fourth.

    Based on Joel Embiid’s instagram, Melo needs to start ordering pitchers of Shirley Temples. I don’t know about his foot, but he looks swole as fuck otherwise.

    I respect what GS is doing, but still don’t see them as an all-time great team, like the ’87 Lakers. That’s just me.

    I respect what GS is doing, but still don’t see them as an all-time great team, like the ’87 Lakers. That’s just me.

    I’m guessing that has less to do with GSW and more to do with that Lakers team being in the middle of a run where they won 5 titles and 8 Finals appearances in 10 years.

    hahaha, Z-man, never change

    team starts 24-0 and you say “not an all-time great team”

    Bargnani gets traded to the Knicks and you think he’s anything but a scrub

    hahahahahahahaha dude I just can’t even

    I’m someone who’s been a bit skeptical about how good these Warriors are because I like to think that the best team I watched growing up is the best team ever (the 90’s Bulls). But holy crap these Warriors, how can you not be impressed by what they are doing?? If they win it all this year they have to be considered one of the best teams ever. Plus their core is so young they are more than capable of going on a 90’s Bulls run so really the debate of how good they are all-time should last for a few years.

    I respect what GS is doing, but still don’t see them as an all-time great team, like the ’87 Lakers. That’s just me.

    I don’t think it’s a crazy position, as I think eras are often very difficult to compare in sports (to wit, no one shot threes in the 1980s – that’s a huge difference right there), so I think it is always pretty defensible to say “I don’t think Team X is as good as Team Y from a Different Era,” whether I agree with the position or not. For instance, I didn’t mind when people made the same critique about the 72-win Bulls. That said, I’m curious as to what Golden State would need to do for you to consider them as an all-time great team. Their margins of victory are pretty astonishing so far this year. I personally think that they look like an all-time great team to me so far.

    I get the skepticism about my POV, even that from TGWWHDWCSOKP (The genius who would have drafted WCS over KP). There are probably 2 things that make me feel the way I do.

    First, despite the hype about how great the West is, I think the league seems watered down right now. There are very few all-time great level talents in their primes on solid, deep teams. Teams that looked like they were on the way to greatness (e.g. Clips, Thunder, Rockets in the West, Bulls in the east) have come up short and are regressing. Other teams are seem couple of years/players away.

    Second, I don’t like the way the game is played right now, with teams launching 30 3’s a game. I agree with what Pop recently said about it being kind of a circus. It makes it harder to take these teams as seriously in the all-time sense. I much preferred how the Spurs played 3 years ago to how the Warriors play now.

    I obviously can’t logically refute the greatness of the Warriors, which is why I said “that’s just me.”

    Disclaimer: I think Steph is an all-time great offensive player and would have been in any era.

    The Warriors are great. They don’t have three inner circle hall of famers though, so it’s hard to believe at this point. I don’t think they have played the best teams in the league yet either. No matchup with San Antonio right?

    For all the talk of how unique Steph Curry is, relatively short thrift is being given to Draymond Green. Sure, he has definitely received accolades, but the dude really is absolutely amazing. I’d worry that he has the kind of build and skill set that won’t age that well, but his form right now is unbelievable.

    He dominated that game last night. He played 50 minutes but still a monster line, 24-11-8 with 5 blocks and 5 steals and great defense. He is like a cross of Ben Wallace and Anthony Mason.

    I’d love to have Curry on the Knicks, obviously, but having a player like Green fall into our laps in the second round really would be my dream come true. Without that pick I don’t think the Warriors would be much of a team.

    @46 — love the acronym, but you left out ASCTIWHBTRPATT — and still claims that it would have been the right pick at the time..,

    The Warriors were one of the all-time great teams LAST season. They won 67 games, and were the #1 defense and the #2 offense. Only the ’96 Bulls can boast about dominating the league in that fashion. And that was in a legitimately strong western conference.

    And to follow that up with a 24-0 (and counting) start… Anybody that doesn’t recognize the greatness of the past 18 months of Warrior basketball either hasn’t been watching, or is too fixated on the past to know the future when it arrives.

    @46 — love the acronym, but you left out ASCTIWHBTRPATT — and still claims that it would have been the right pick at the time..,

    I don’t do revisionism. WCS was a solid pick and has been an excellent, Tyson Chandler-esque rookie. Porzingis was a risky pick. Porzingis looks like he could be a future league MVP, but WCS is going to be the understated anchor of a deep playoff team if he can get away from Sacramento.

    There are great teams every year that lose to scrubbish teams. The ’12-’13 Miami Heat won 66 games, yet they still lost to a handful of bad-to-mediocre teams (Wizards, Blazers, Pistons) and only had a SRS of 7.03 (#2 in the league that year). This year’s Spurs would normally be the best team in the league (SRS of 9.73), yet they still lost to the 9-13 Wizards and the 6-16 Pelicans.

    The Warriors have a SRS of 13.06! The ’87 Lakers had a SRS of 8.31 and the ’95-’96 Bulls had a 11.80! This is league dominance.

    One of the key principles of the Triangle is penetration. The great Triangle teams had Kobe or Jordan on them, and those guys c0uld put the ball on the floor, break down defenses and get to the hoop. We don’t have a guard anything remotely like that, we have slow and unathletic guards. We also have an expensive free agent center who is completely unsuited to play in the pinch post, but who we send out there to try and fail for 20 minutes a night anyway. The one bright spot on the team is a player who should excel in the pick and roll/pick and pop, but we don’t give him opportunities to do that because “how’s it goink.” Pick and rolls are bad because everybody likes them and we play old-timey hipster basketball here.

    This is a fantastic post and why I read KB. I kinda still believe in pinch post Rolo, though. I think he needs more minutes (I mean, why not?) Fisher finally got the rotation right when he subbed Oaq for Rolo but we’re not gonna win until starters + Galloway get 30+ minutes a night. It’s why we can’t throw it in the ocean. No one’s in a rhythm.

    Obviously the need to be running the offense through KP6. He needs more minutes and more shots but he’s 20 and they’re babying him. I wonder though, at what point do we roll with who are clearly our best players, and utilize what works best offensively and defensively? I’m tired of poor 1st quarters.

    This is league dominance.

    Seriously. What else do they have to do? (What else CAN they do?)

    And re:Draymond Green– he should come in 2nd in MVP voting this year.

    Oh, I agree. The Warriors are as dominant as any team has ever been in its own time. And it’s not their fault that the league is watered down right now. They can only play the teams on their schedule.

    If you truly believe that the league they are demolishing (like no other team ever has, maybe) is as strong as the league in the ’85-’98 era, then there’s no arguing the point. My argument is about the competition more than it is about the Warriors. Personnel-wise, I don’t think they compare to the late-80’s Celts or Lakers or Pistons, or the ’90’s Bulls (and maybe some of the great teams the Bulls beat like the Suns or Jazz) or the ’00’s Spurs. They caught the league at the right time.

    If they breeze through the playoffs again, I’ll recalculate. But if they get knocked off by the Spurs, Clips or Cavs, will some of you do the same?

    I don’t do revisionism. WCS was a solid pick and has been an excellent, Tyson Chandler-esque rookie. Porzingis was a risky pick. Porzingis looks like he could be a future league MVP, but WCS is going to be the understated anchor of a deep playoff team if he can get away from Sacramento.

    Your pick would have been more of a franchise-crippling blunder than the Bargnani trade. But you keep believing your 30-year streak of infallable decision-making remains intact.

    I think that Kareem and Magic have some serious brand equity in your mind. I don’t blame you for not thinking that Draymond Green or Steph Curry is in the same category as those guys, but based on performance against their leagues, they certainly are.

    Your pick would have been more of a franchise-crippling blunder than the Bargnani trade. But you keep believing your 30-year streak of infallable decision-making remains intact.

    It doesn’t cripple a franchise to select a good, solid starter with the #4 pick in the draft, but if you think that a rookie with a .150 WP48 is franchise-crippling, you obviously are more interested in asserting your stupidity as intelligence than being objectively right.

    Anyone that spends as much time on this blog as we do is stupid by definition. It’s only a matter of degree. That said, I’d rather be severely brain damaged than have your personality.

    “The 24-0 Warriors aren’t an all-time great team.” – Z-man, Dec. 12, 2015

    never forget

    But back on topic, I’m simply not ready to anoint the Warriors as an all-time great team based on an unprecedented winning streak to start a season off of a championship year. Five years from now, I may change my tune, but for now, I’ll just predict that they will falter before then.

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