Knicks Morning News (2015.12.10)

  • [New York Times] Millsap Scores 20 Points to Rally Hawks Past Mavericks 98-95 (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 05:27:40 GMT)

    Paul Millsap scored 20 points, including a jumper that capped Atlanta’s game-turning run in the final minutes, and the Hawks beat the Dallas Mavericks 98-95 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Liberty Guard Has Surgery (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 05:26:31 GMT)

    Liberty guard Epiphanny Prince had surgery to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament in her right knee.

  • [New York Times] Jazz 106, Knicks 85: Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks Have No Shot in Utah (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 05:05:54 GMT)

    Anthony scored only 12 points, and he and the rest of the cold-shooting Knicks were defeated easily by the Jazz for their seventh loss in nine games.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Grizzlies’ Halfcourt Shot Seals Victory Over the Pistons (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 05:01:12 GMT)

    Matt Barnes tossed in a desperation 3-pointer from just inside midcourt with 1.1 seconds left to give Memphis Grizzles a 93-92 victory at Detroit.

  • [New York Times] Knight Helps Suns Edge Magic 107-104 (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 04:54:55 GMT)

    Brandon Knight scored 17 of his 21 points in the second half, Alex Len set career highs with 20 points and 14 rebounds, and the Phoenix Suns beat the Orlando Magic 107-104 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Hayward Scores 24 as Jazz Rout Knicks 106-85 (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 04:48:41 GMT)

    Gordon Hayward scored 24 points and the Utah Jazz bullied the New York Knicks from start to finish in a 106-85 victory Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] DeRozan Inspires Raptors to Close Win Over Spurs (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 04:45:30 GMT)

    Guard DeMar DeRozan scored 28 points and added six assists to help the Toronto Raptors defeat the San Antonio Spurs 97-94 on Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Use Fourth-Quarter Run to Overcome Bulls (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 04:45:28 GMT)

    The Boston Celtics used a 10-0 run early in the fourth quarter to pull out a 105-100 victory over the Chicago Bulls on Wednesday, two days ahead of a showdown against the 23-0 Golden State Warriors.

  • [New York Times] Roundup: Kentucky Bounces Back From First Loss With an Easy Victory (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 04:38:51 GMT)

    No. 5 Kentucky pulled away from Eastern Kentucky for a 88-67 home victory on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Martin, Towns Lift Timberwolves Over Lakers, 123-122 in OT (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 04:06:49 GMT)

    Kevin Martin scored 37 points and Karl-Anthony Towns had 26 points and 14 rebounds to lift the Minnesota Timberwolves to a 123-122 overtime victory over the Los Angeles Lakers on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Redick Scores 31 to Lead Clippers Over Bucks, 109-95 (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 03:51:51 GMT)

    J.J. Redick scored a season-high 31 points and the Los Angeles Clippers pulled away in the second half for a 109-95 victory over the Milwaukee Bucks on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Barnes Makes Desperation 3, Grizzles Top Pistons 93-92 (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 03:33:35 GMT)

    Matt Barnes tossed in a desperation 3-pointer from just inside midcourt with 1.1 seconds left to give the Memphis Grizzles a 93-92 victory over the Detroit Pistons on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] DeRozan, Raptors Snap Spurs’ Streak, 97-94 (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 03:18:48 GMT)

    DeMar DeRozan scored 28 points, Kyle Lowry added 19 and the Toronto Raptors snapped the San Antonio Spurs’ four-game winning streak with a 97-94 victory on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Harden Scores 42 to Lead Rockets Past Wizards 109-103 (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 02:58:07 GMT)

    James Harden had 42 points, nine rebounds and seven assists, and the Houston Rockets beat the Washington Wizards 109-103 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Thomas Carries Boston to 105-100 Win Over Chicago (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 02:55:14 GMT)

    Isaiah Thomas scored nine of his 20 points in the final three minutes to lead the Boston Celtics to a 105-100 victory over the Chicago Bulls on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Hornets Beat Heat 99-81 for Third Straight Victory (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 02:36:40 GMT)

    Kemba Walker and Marvin Williams scored 18 points apiece to lead the Charlotte Hornets to their third straight victory, 99-81 over the Miami Heat on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks continue to struggle in 106-85 loss to Utah Jazz (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 06:35:42 GMT)

    This losing stretch from the Knicks looked a lot more ominous during and after a reeking beatdown Wednesday.

  • [New York Daily News] Carmelo Anthony says refusal to flop hurts him with refs (Thu, 10 Dec 2015 06:20:09 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony is frustrated by the lack of respect he’s getting from referees, but the Knicks star said he won’t resort to flopping.

  • 25 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2015.12.10)”

    “FWIW I have a few friends out in SF and they are not fans of him at all.”

    And this is what is hilarious about fans in general — the team is 23-0 and winning by an average of almost 15 points a game and people are complaining about the coach. I guess they should be winning by 30?

    And this is what is hilarious about commenters in general… you read what you want to read, not what’s there.

    I never said any one is complaining about him. The consensus out there is that the team can coach itself, and what few decisions he has to make he isn’t necessarily very good at it, but it doesn’t matter because they are one of the greatest teams of all time.

    This does not mean anyone is complaining. It simply means it may not be the best idea to recommend firing your coach so you can go get Luke Walton.

    Something has to be done about the square peg/round hole problem that is Robin Lopez. The guy has been a major dud and I don’t want to hear about how good he is at boxing out. That’s wonderful that he’s good at boxing out, but the rest of his game is an unholy mess. His scoring efficiency has fallen off a cliff, his turnovers have skyrocketed and his WS48 and WP48 numbers look like something you’d get from a minimum salary roster filler type player. He’s also only playing part time minutes, averaging 23.9 MPG. This is looking like a spectacularly bad use of $13M of cap space.

    The square peg isn’t going anywhere, so it’s probably time to rethink the round hole. This system is killing Robin Lopez as a player. It is not working.

    I like Robin, but that’s after listening to The Lowe Post yesterday, during which he revealed that he’s a classic-Simpsons-loving cat-lady guy who had a speech impediment as a kid. Oh, and also some detail about why he kills mascots for a living.

    P.S. The triangle is useless in 2015’s NBA, otherwise Popovich and Kerr would be using it. That is my sound logic.

    My sneaking suspicion is that any poster on this board, and my 16 month old son, could have coached the Warriors to a 23-0 record. If Luke has anything to do with it I would be very very surprised….

    Lopez lacks one strength that is key to the triangle: his ability to knock down the open 15 footer. I don’t care what PJ says. That’s not his strength. He can’t knock it down wide open with any kind of solid efficiency. He is better as the garbage man that roams, protects, and grabs rebounds; not the offensive setup man. His passing is better than what he’s shown and frankly, I think it’s the repetitive and half-hearted movement that makes him seem so turnover prone. Things are just way too methodical in our triangle.

    In watching the Bulls of the 90s and the Lakers of the past decade, it is more of a fall back option to get movement. It didn’t precede movement. Their ball and player movement were there early in the shotclock, early in transition. It’s when the other good options fail that the triangle forced them to move. This was Knicks’ problem last season and they’re slipping into it AGAIN this season. That’s on the coach, not the player. Do we think Lopez would look so clumsy out there if he were on the Spurs or the Warriors? He’s not even getting the ball in the post. It’s always near the 3 pt line. So even if he does have that 15 footer, he’s never getting that shot.

    I know it’s not ONLY Fisher too. Every time Lopez or Seraphin gets the ball in the high post, there’s a chance of it getting picked off. On good nights, players GET TO THE BALL, then make something of it. On bad nights, it’s like OK, let me jog my way towards him because this is where I’m supposed to catch the ball to make the next pass to X.

    I think Walton is responsible for upholding the principles of Kerr’s system, and that’s good enough to give him credit, since Kerr appears to be a coaching genius (who also has great-to-legendary level players).

    I was ALL for giving Popovich about 20-25 Million of (not) my dollars every year to be the GM/Coach/President of Basketball Operations. Think he would come for that?

    I get that Fish is about implementing Jackson’s plans/system. They have system players. The problem is I think he’s implementing it pretty poorly based on the potential of these players. Part of it is players not playing to expectation, whether that’s injury or motivation. With how ‘hard’ they played last night, the effort is Fisher’s department. If he can’t get that response, then we need to look at replacing him. With ANYBODY. The foundation is effort.

    I was watching Vujacic last night. If Carmelo played with his effort, he’d be almost as good as LeBron. It’s such a shame.

    P.S. I don’t care if Carmelo makes 3/11 shots or 5/14 or 7/16 or 10/14. If he plays the hardest on defense, the Knicks will win games, with or without his offensive production. Can someone please relay this to him? I want him to be tired from defense instead, not from shooting long 3s.

    Speaking of Pop running the triangle:

    “I still hate [the three point shot],” Popovich told reporters before the Spurs’ 97-94 loss to the Toronto Raptors. “I’ll never embrace it. I don’t think it’s basketball. I think it’s kind of like a circus sort of thing. Why don’t we have a 5-point shot? A 7-point shot? You know, where does it stop, that sort of thing.

    “But that’s just me, that’s just old-school. To a certain degree, you better embrace it or you’re going to lose. And every time we’ve won a championship, the 3-point shot was a big part of it. Because it is so powerful and you’ve gotta be able to do it. And nobody does it better than Golden State, and you know where they’re at. So it’s important. You can’t ignore it.”

    “I can’t be stubborn,” the Spurs’ coach said after the 2014 title run, “just because I personally don’t like it and think it mucks up the game. … I still hate it.”

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14333878/san-antonio-spurs-coach-gregg-popovich-says-3-pointer-circus-sort-thing

    I’m confident Phil will reach this point eventually. He’s just not as far along in the grieving process as Pop is.

    Looking at your numbers, I conclude our starting line up is pretty good, because they have net positive points with a lot of minutes. Since they play the other team’s starters, that suggests they are an average starting five or better. Comparing lineups 5 and 3 confirms my general impression that Afflalo is better than Vujacic, which isn’t a surprise.

    The two best units with the highest net ratings have very few minutes, and it might be they happened to come from one or two games when Afflalo was out, so I am not sure they are significant. The two non starting lineups with more than 30 minutes suggest that Derrick Williams could help improving the results of bench play. I honestly didn’t expect that, but now I would like to see him get more playing time.

    The team as a whole has played over a 1,100 minutes, so there must be a lot of small usage lineups that have been tried given that the two starting line ups (before and after Afflalo came back from injury) account for only 450 minutes.

    I still hate [the three point shot],” Popovich told reporters before the Spurs’ 97-94 loss to the Toronto Raptors. “I’ll never embrace it. I don’t think it’s basketball. I think it’s kind of like a circus sort of thing. Why don’t we have a 5-point shot? A 7-point shot? You know, where does it stop, that sort of thing

    I think the 3ball is leading to the homogenization of offenses making the sport less interesting. I would change the game so that the 3ball is active for one half and inactive the other half. In the playoffs, in one game it would be active for the first half and in the next game it would switch to the second half.

    I would change the game so that the 3ball is active for one half and inactive the other half. In the playoffs, in one game it would be active for the first half and in the next game it would switch to the second half.

    This is a terrible idea.

    I didn’t see the game, but I did see that were out scored 30-11 in the first quarter. Most of the post game comments were about Fisher, but when a team gets its doors blown off to start the game, that’s on the players. This idea that the coach “didn’t have them ready to play” (in any sport) has always smelled like BS to me.

    That being said, I’m not a Fisher defender when it comes to game management and substitutions, which are generally questionable. I just think last night’s debacle was on the players, not the coach.

    I think the 3ball is leading to the homogenization of offenses making the sport less interesting. I would change the game so that the 3ball is active for one half and inactive the other half. In the playoffs, in one game it would be active for the first half and in the next game it would switch to the second half.

    that is the worst idea I’ve read on this site, including advocating for the Bargnani trade

    “FWIW I have a few friends out in SF and they are not fans of him at all.”

    I live in SF. I watch every single Warriors game. Everyone out here does. Collectively, from conversations to blog posts to radio and more, we all know that the Warriors are an exceptionally intelligent team with the best player on the planet and that Luke Walton is upholding Steve Kerr’s principals.

    But he’s also making all the right moves. There’s been a bunch of close games, and he’s made the right decisions. Plus, Harrison Barnes’ injury really changes things. The Dubs can’t go small anymore. Barnes is the offensive lynchpin of the second unit. Their matchup opportunities are more traditional without him. And yet, they still win.

    His coaching efforts, although not the main reason this is happening, are not to be dismissed either. He’s got a bright future.

    things that matter a lot in the NBA:

    how good your players are
    how much you pay your players

    things that don’t matter a lot in the NBA:

    who’s paying your players
    who’s coaching your players

    don’t throw outliers (Jackson, Popovich, Donald Sterling) at me now, it’s obviously more a general statement than a firm rule

    I want to add that the single most important thing a coach does is decides who plays and who doesn’t. A coach can also do terribly stupid things like calling an isolation play or eliminating three-pointers from a team’s sets. Byron Scott is therefore a terrible coach. Mike Woodson was a terrible coach. Anyone who allows Josh Smith to shoot three-pointers is a terrible coach.

    Those lineup numbers are interesting, they do make it look like Fisher is running our best starting lineup, at least while Galloway can’t hit for shit. But the sample size is still so small. #2 is our best lineup for 3’s but is it from games where Gallo was hot? And comparing #4 and #6 makes O’Quinn look much more effective than Seraphin but that lineup has been more common recently when Gallo can’t hit anything. Add in that Seraphin was part of our best 3-ball lineup and you’ve got a weak argument that Fisher is right to play Seraphin over O’Quinn, if you want one. Maybe his better distribution trumps Oaq’s better D? I doubt it. #2 suggests we should be staggering our rotations more, but #7 with the same minutes suggests that we really shouldn’t be staggering our rotations.

    The only real takeaways I see there are that DWill should be coming in for Melo & Thomas for Affalo definitely not the other way around, and Sasha should only be playing in blowouts. Interesting though. I would have expected lower numbers for Seraphin lineups and better numbers for staggered lineups.

    that is the worst idea I’ve read on this site, including advocating for the Bargnani trade

    heh, now I know I’m onto something! Who wants to watch only spread PnR offenses? The 3ball is strangling a lot of the player movement which makes the game a team art in the first place. Phil is fighting a noble but losing battle to maintain the type of movement which characterized those Knick chip teams. And it’s not like the NBA doesn’t already have regulations which are active for parts of the game (e.g., Hack-a-Whoever). My proposal would inject more variety and present a challenge for front offices to figure out the proper mix of players and optimal strategy. Even the NFL’s got more variety in its offenses. And anything which slows the 3&D assembly line is worth trying.

    If you wanna change three pointers shouldn’t you make it longer from the top of the key to the basket or if you really wanna change things widen the courts a bit so that corner threes are longer as well as threes generally

    Like why would you change the entire structure of the game at halftime.

    Moreover eliminating the three point shot would just make the game as homogenous it would just be big man post play with less ball movement and would be boring to watch and frankly require less skill and athleticism.

    At least small ball requires pushing the pace and good guard/wing play in the pnr

    Half-court shots should be worth 4 points.
    If you shoot the ball over the backboard from the baseline and make it, that should be 5 points.
    Shooting foul shots over your head backwards should be 2 points. Backwards between your legs 3.
    If you can kick the ball into the hoop it should be worth 5.

    OK. Enough silliness.

    Knicks have a 28-27 lead and only had 2 TOs in the first quarter but haven’t hit any 3’s.
    Oh. I’m talking about the Westchester Knicks 😉

    it would just be big man post play with less ball movement and would be boring to watch and frankly require less skill and athleticism.

    Teams could double team the post because the cost of a made outside shot would not be as high. A higher premium would be placed on those players (other than 1s) who could shoot off the dribble. Why should a mid-range shot off the dribble be worth less than a spot-up 3, especially since it requires more skill? And it would put an end to unskilled lugs like Jowles’ idol Tyson Chandler leading the league in offensive rating. There should be more overall skill not less.

    Like why would you change the entire structure of the game at halftime.

    To make the game more interesting and foster a more varied skill set among the players. Note (forgot to mention earlier): The home team could choose whether the 3ball would be active in 1st or second half.

    At least small ball requires pushing the pace

    Showtime Lakers?

    if you really wanna change things widen the courts a bit so that corner threes are longer as well as threes generally

    Drastic change. But maybe it’s time to consider enlarging the court since players are bigger and faster than the very early days.

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