Knicks Morning News (2015.12.09)

  • [New York Times] Vucevic Leads Magic to 85-74 Win Over Nuggets (Wed, 09 Dec 2015 05:37:27 GMT)

    Evan Fournier was having a horrid game against his former team. One big shot, though, turned his entire night around.

  • [New York Times] Efficient Westbrook Leads Thunder Past Grizzlies (Wed, 09 Dec 2015 05:24:28 GMT)

    Oklahoma City coach Billy Donovan was looking beyond the box score after the Thunder overpowered the Memphis Grizzlies 125-88 on Tuesday at FedExForum.

  • [New York Times] Durant Scores 32 as Thunder Beat Grizzlies 125-88 (Wed, 09 Dec 2015 05:07:00 GMT)

    Oklahoma City’s efficient offense made it a fun night for the Thunder. And a miserable game for the Memphis Grizzlies.

  • [New York Times] Nets Hold Off Rockets to Sweep Season Series (Wed, 09 Dec 2015 04:39:57 GMT)

    The Brooklyn Nets finally beat Houston twice in a season again, and it sure helped that the Rockets were so busy beating themselves.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Up to 23-0 and Counting After Beating Pacers (Wed, 09 Dec 2015 04:15:27 GMT)

    Golden State improved to 23-0 with a 131-123 victory over Indiana on Tuesday, with guard Klay Thompson scoring 29 of his season-high 39 during the Warriors’ 79-point first half.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Nets Complete Season Sweep of Rockets (Wed, 09 Dec 2015 03:43:02 GMT)

    Brook Lopez, Joe Johnson and Thaddeus Young each scored 20 points or more, and the host Nets defeated Houston for the second time this year.

  • [New York Times] Thompson, Warriors Improve to 23-0, Beat Pacers 131-123 (Wed, 09 Dec 2015 03:42:44 GMT)

    Klay Thompson and the Golden State Warriors spent the first three quarters playing as flawlessly as their unbeaten record.

  • [New York Times] James Scores 33 as Cavs Rally to Beat Trail Blazers (Wed, 09 Dec 2015 02:57:55 GMT)

    LeBron James had 33 points and 10 rebounds, and the Cleveland Cavaliers rallied from an 18-point first-half deficit to beat the Portland Trail Blazers 105-100 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Carmelo Anthony vents as losing seems to take toll (Wed, 09 Dec 2015 04:33:54 GMT)

    Carmelo Anthony isn’t big on moral victories these days, or envisioning where the Knicks might be three or four years down the road.

  • [New York Post] Carmelo Anthony is starting to grumble: What is it this time? (Wed, 09 Dec 2015 04:40:30 -0500)

    SALT LAKE CITY — For the first time this season, there seemed to be genuine concern coming from coach Derek Fisher and the Knicks locker room. A dejected Carmelo Anthony stepped up the urgency after the 104-97 loss to the Mavericks on Monday dropped the Knicks to 10-12 and into 12th place in the improved…

  • [New York Post] Will European voters make Kristaps Porzingis an All-Star? (Wed, 09 Dec 2015 03:35:23 -0500)

    SALT LAKE CITY — Kristaps Porzingis will be in Toronto on All-Star weekend in February regardless, participating in a new version of the Rookie-Sophomore Game. Whether the Knicks' 7-foot-3 phenom gets to play in the main event will depend on how "Kristaps Krazy'' fans act in Europe, specifically Latvia and Spain, when NBA All-Star ballots…

  • 34 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2015.12.09)”

    Does anyone view Melo’s rant about losing a sign that if things don’t turn out a bit better this season he may try to force a trade?
    It seemed like we’ve seen this show before.
    In Denver he became disenchanted and rhetoric like this, if I recall correctly, started to leak out.
    The Knicks are almost an entirely new team, they are 10-12, lost the last game in part because of Melo’s play down the stretch, and he got pissy.

    If he’s getting frustrated at this point, I have a suspicion he’s going to demand a trade,

    I think Melo was a lot more disenchanted with the refereeing, and rightly so. I know it’s not to be ‘expected’, but the dude is not even getting scrub treatment, let alone ‘star treatment’.

    I know the Knicks don’t go to the hole and foul a lot. But 9 free throws in an entire game? Every game is almost 1.5x-2x more free throws. Even when they do go to the hole, there’s no calls. I don’t think he’s frustrated with his cast or Fisher. He still gets the same shots he pretty much always had minus last year when he was probably the only decent player on the team. He’s missing them more this year, and coupled with the fact that he can’t get to the line despite driving and getting hit at the rim. The treatment for him and Harden is completely different at the rim. I don’t see how/why there’s so little reporting on the call discrepancy so far. Frankly, I’m amazed it has gotten to 21 games before he’s really said something solid on this issue.

    If Fisher and Jackson aren’t regularly sending in tapes, they’re not doing their job.

    Isn’t it kind of awesome to consider that Porzingis is decently likely to make the all star game on the strength of the Latvian vote and that he might kind of almost deserve it?

    Isn’t it kind of awesome to consider that Porzingis is decently likely to make the all star game on the strength of the Latvian vote and that he might kind of almost deserve it?

    Yes. Yes it is.

    Unreason

    I have to agree on the switching. They were stupid. Calderon defending Dirk? We kept giving them mismatches in their favor.
    And some of the switches led to easy baskets, like when Melo switched and then tried to switch back and left a man open on the baseline.
    Silly strategy.

    I have to agree on the switching. They were stupid. Calderon defending Dirk? We kept giving them mismatches in their favor.
    And some of the switches led to easy baskets, like when Melo switched and then tried to switch back and left a man open on the baseline.
    Silly strategy.

    And it was obvious it was a bad strategy halfway through the 1st quarter. Coaching staff has to have a backup plan and be able to react faster.

    Fisher needs to do a better job as coach. The crap rotations and lack of faith in some guys paired with too much faith in others needs to get sorted out. We all watch the games and are seeing the same thing he is but we all have a very different opinion about what’s being done. If they aren’t practicing how can he say he’s benching Oaq for lack of effort in practice. This shit is stupid. Play the guys you’re going to have for 3 more years, not the Seraphins of the world.

    Does anyone view Melo’s rant about losing a sign that if things don’t turn out a bit better this season he may try to force a trade?

    I hope so. He’s 31 with a knee-surgery to his credit. The clock is ticking.

    At this point, just about everything said regarding Seraphin seems to make sense to everyone watching the game and tracking the stats except Fisher. You can make the argument that he’s blinded by what he sees. Seraphin gets that nice block at times, and is lost the other 10 times. He makes a nice pass once and is a black hole 90% of the other times.

    If you’re fooled by what you see, you check the metrics to back it up. Apparently, Fisher doesn’t bother with that part or he’s just so pissed off at KOQ he rather lose with Seraphin to prove a point.

    1. Free Kyle O’Quinn
    2. Bench Seraphin
    3. Stop platooning and start staggering

    (I’m not a Lance Thomas fan even though he’s scoring more efficiently this year (probably not sustainable at this level) because he doesn’t do much else well at all. I’ll give Fisher a pass on his playing time, but I’d like him sitting also).

    or

    4. Fire Fisher

    KP on pace to have the 37th best rookie season of all time in terms of Win Shares. 12th best for rookies 21 and under.

    I hope Porzingis and Towns have a burning desire to beat each other. Their match ups should be good to great even if they just play as they usually do. They’ll be fantastic if a personal rivalry gives them added intensity.

    All of the “Fire Fisher”/”Fisher sucks” comments got me to wondering what people’s thoughts are regarding Luke Walton as a HC candidate moving forward.

    As the only interim coach in pro sports history to win his first 23 starts out of the gate, he’s sure to be on several teams’ short list when it comes time for them to hire their next HC. Yeah, the Warriors were already a well-oiled machine prior to his taking on the interim gig but, at the very least, he’s done nothing to slow it down. And, if his contributions have in some measure helped to improve the Warriors in any way from last year, then he might actually be something more than a guy lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.

    If Phil sours on Fisher then I think he might have some interest in Walton. The two do have a history together and Luke has also had a year’s apprenticeship under Phil’s first choice for the Knicks job. The only real question I can see vis a vis Phil’s possible interest is Walton’s commitment to the concepts of the Triangle. After a couple year’s of working with Golden State’s new look offense, the Triangle may seem just too antediluvian for Walton.

    There’s almost no way that Phil fires Fisher, his friend and handpicked protege, after 2 seasons as coach. Especially considering he spent 1 season coaching a dumpster fire of a roster. Phil will at least give him another year or two to figure it out, for better or worse.

    Walton will get looks for a HC job after this year, so the timelines don’t match up. I do agree though, it’s intriguing to think about.

    I agree with most of the sentiment here so I’ll bullet out my points…
    1) Switching was the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time. It put us in an immediate hole.
    2) Melo was frustrated by the refs but also because of the lack of desire his teammates showed.
    3) Where is Lopez at the end of games?
    4) While I liked bringing the second unit in as a complete unit early in the year as a good way to build chemistry, we’re past that point and should stagger substitutions more to insure we have scorers and defenders on the floor at all times.
    5) The team is playing like crap lately. If I were the coach there would be some benching going on. I’m seeing some lazy play on both ends of the floor. I don’t see enough ball movement on offense and I don’t see enough in-your-face, disruptive defense.

    We could have beaten Dallas. That pisses me off big time.

    All of the “Fire Fisher”/”Fisher sucks” comments got me to wondering what people’s thoughts are regarding Luke Walton as a HC candidate moving forward.

    FWIW I have a few friends out in SF and they are not fans of him at all. Specifically, they say he’s terrible at reading a game and waits too long to put his starters back in.

    And that’s really all he has to do, because once they’re in, they blow people out. If ever there was a team that could prove THCJ is right about coaches being unnecessary, it’s the Warriors.

    If you’re fooled by what you see, you check the metrics to back it up. Apparently, Fisher doesn’t bother with that part or he’s just so pissed off at KOQ he rather lose with Seraphin to prove a point.

    Agree with every part of your post, and especially this. I understand being fooled via the eye-test, but in order to justify playing Seraphin you have to completely disregard, or not examine in the first place, just about every metric. If Fisher is doing that that’s very concerning in this day and age. Fuck Seraphin.

    Anyone want to focus on how awesome the offense looked late in the fourth quarter with KP playing 5 position and Melo the 4?

    That’s what a lot of us are advocating. If the bald man won play Lopez, then go with Porzingis at the 5 and run pick n roll/pop

    That’s what a lot of us are advocating. If the bald man won play Lopez, then go with Porzingis at the 5 and run pick n roll/pop

    Beating a dead horse here, but this is what drives me insane about Seraphin. If you’re benching Lopez, go “small” (in parenthesis because it’s hardly small size-wise, just in practice). Don’t fucking put in Seraphin for an equal or greater amount of time.

    KP was great at the 5. We had someone in the post who actually knew what to do with the ball. And it gave our team so much more speed and life. Of course it leaves us with 4 bench players at the 5 if we go that way. Can we at least move one of them and get a guard who can shoot and/or penetrate?

    Can we at least move one of them and get a guard who can shoot and/or penetrate?

    What could we realistically get in-season for any of Seraphin, Amundson, or O’Quinn? Not much. Lopez still has value for this team, especially in certain matchups and as a buffer for Porzingis in his rookie year. If we’re going to trade him, the time for that would be in the summer.

    “FWIW I have a few friends out in SF and they are not fans of him at all.”
    And this is what is hilarious about fans in general — the team is 23-0 and winning by an average of almost 15 points a game and people are complaining about the coach. I guess they should be winning by 30?

    “A good article with Melo talking about flopping and how refs told him that he’s hard to officiate.”
    He’s probably going to get himself fined for these comments, but I don’t blame him for being frustrated. It’s gotten to the point that defenders seem to know that they can clobber him and not get called for a foul.

    Pretty reasonable rant by Melo. Granted I think he potentially gets away with hooking his defender a little bit, however I am still often perplexed as to how he just cannot get a call. How he can come out of a drive to the basket after getting hit and having a crooked headband with no call is head scratching. Kudos for him though for sticking to his game and not resorting to flopping. This is where Phil and Fish need to come out and call it out as well.

    Why doesn’t Melo pump fake more to draw the obvious foul?

    We have 3 guards who can’t shoot and one who won’t. We should pick up Erick Green from the dleague or call up Jimmer. Someone else needs to be able to shoot! And we have an open roster spot.

    O’Quinn, Amundson, Williams, and Melo can all play the 4. Playing Porzingis at center is not a problem at all. The problem is playing Seraphin. If for whatever reason O’Quinn can’t play at all, that leaves us 3 guys who are better than Kevin Seraphin that we can put on the court next to Kristaps. Shit, even Lance could play some 4.

    (There are obviously other problems, but that’s the glaring one with a number of solutions at hand.)

    I’ve seen O’Quinn miss defensive assignments but at least he can pass, shoot, rebound and block shots. He’s slow but so is Lopez. Seraphin should be told not to shoot unless wide open or there’s 5 seconds left on the clock. Can you imagine if he spent his time just setting picks? That would be nice.

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