Knicks Morning News (2018.07.27)

  • [NYPost] Enes Kanter starts recruiting next superstar for Knicks
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 9:18:00 AM)

    No NBA star is off the table for the Knicks, according to big man Enes Kanter. Appearing on ESPN’s “The Jump” on Thursday, the Turkish center made his latest pitch for a star — this time Kevin Durant — to join the Knicks. Kanter was asked about the memorable trash-talking incident between the Warriors superstar…

  • [NYDN] Planned Parenthood vs. unions, and what it says about the Democratic Party
    (Friday, July 27, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    If one were discussing the most influential force within the Democratic Party a generation ago, one might have said “unions.” But three decades of selling out on free trade — which has left unions and middle-class workers shells of their former selves — has pushed the party in a very different…

  • [NYDN] Count us in on the Census: New York gets the green light to fight Trump’s bad-faith immigration question
    (Friday, July 27, 2018 1:10:00 AM)

    Even as Trump administration con jobs go, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross’ attempt to insert a question on citizenship into the next U.S. Census ranks among the lowest and dumbest, so transparently is it aimed at draining New York and other immigrant-rich states of resources and political power…

  • [NYDN] Lock Shelly away: The punishment Silver demands for corrupting N.Y.’s legislature
    (Friday, July 27, 2018 1:05:00 AM)

    Manhattan Federal Judge Valerie Caproni knows very well the crimes that Shelly Silver committed as state Assembly speaker, having presided over his corruption trial twice.

    She was there when he was convicted on all seven felony counts in 2015. She was there again this year when, in a retrial necessitated…

  • [NYDN] Daily News Hometown Hero nominee exemplified city’s courage, care in helping Puerto Rico residents cope with health risks of hurricane
    (Friday, July 27, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    Alicia Schwartz knew she had to help her beloved Puerto Rico last year after the island was devastated by Hurricane Maria.

    The Bronx-born nurse traveled to the battered U.S. territory in October, two weeks after Maria struck on Sept. 20. She stayed in a stadium in San Juan with other volunteer…

  • [NYDN] What’s fare is fair: Let inflation decide subway hikes, not politics
    (Friday, July 27, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    Subway and bus fares rose in 2009 and 2011 and 2013 and 2015 and 2017. If you see a pattern, you’re supposed to, because odd-year inflation-based hikes make for a steady revenue stream to keep up with rising prices, while giving straphangers predictability.

    This was former MTA chair and lieutenant…

  • [NYDN] Readers sound off on the MTA, NYCHA and The News
    (Friday, July 27, 2018 12:00:00 AM)

    Fares go up, trains go nowhere

    Forest Hills: On what planet’s subway system is ridership down (“MTA seeking hikes as service & ridership tumble,” July 26)?

    When’s the last time anybody who works for the MTA actually took the subway, and not for a photo op, and had to wait for a few No. 4, 5, 6,…

  • [NYDN] Bronx doctor says he’s sorry for posts on white nationalist sites
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 11:50:00 PM)

    NEW YORK — A New York doctor says he is sorry for posting comments online supporting a white-only nation and armed racial conflict.

    Dr. Dov Bechhofer, a resident radiologist at Montefiore Medical Center in the Bronx, was removed from duty this week after an anonymous article on the blogging site…

  • [NYDN] Fugitive couple wanted for child rape found in Mississippi after 18 years
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 11:40:00 PM)

    PORTLAND, Ore. — A couple who eluded arrest on multiple charges of child rape and sodomy in Oregon for nearly 20 years was discovered in Mississippi when the man died and his common-law wife used one of his aliases to make funeral arrangements, a law enforcement official said Thursday.

    An undertaker…

  • [NYDN] 10 more ex-students sue Ohio State over sex abuse by doctor
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 11:10:00 PM)

    COLUMBUS, Ohio — Ten more former students have sued Ohio State University over alleged sexual misconduct by a now-dead team doctor, accusing school officials of facilitating abuse by ignoring complaints and requiring some athletes to get physicals from him to maintain their sports participation…

  • [NYDN] Amazon facial recognition technology erroneously matches members of Congress with criminals
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 11:00:00 PM)

    WASHINGTON — Amazon’s facial recognition technology mistook 28 members of Congress for arrested individuals when the American Civil Liberties Union ran lawmakers’ faces against a database of 25,000 mug shots, the group announced Thursday.

    In its test of Amazon’s Rekognition technology, the software…

  • [NYDN] N.Y. truck driver was distracted when he caused crash that killed 4, including 3 airmen: reports
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:40:00 PM)

    NAMPA, Idaho — Idaho State Police say a distracted truck driver caused a seven-vehicle crash that killed him and three U.S. airmen from Mountain Home Air Force Base.

    The Idaho Press reports Senior Airmen Carlos Johnson, Lawrence Manlapit III and Karlie Westall died in the June 16 crash along with…

  • [NYDN] Michael Avenatti claims three more women, including one who was allegedly pregnant, were paid off by Trump team
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 9:05:00 PM)

    Stormy Daniels’ attorney, Michael Avenatti, said Thursday night that he’s representing three more women who claim they were paid for their silence by President Trump’s team.

    Avenatti, speaking at a panel in West Hollywood, told the audience that the women — one of whom says she was pregnant at…

  • [NYDN] Remains belonging to 55 servicemen who died during the Korean War returned from North Korea
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 9:00:00 PM)

    A U.S. military plane has retrieved the remains of 55 American servicemen killed during the Korean War, the White House said Thursday.

    “A U.S. Air Force C-17 aircraft containing remains of fallen service members has departed Wonsan, North Korea,” according to an official statement.

    The dead soldiers…

  • [NYDN] Cardi B drops out of Bruno Mars’ tour — ‘I underestimated this whole mommy thing’
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:35:00 PM)

    Cardi B needs some more time with her newborn daughter.

    The 25-year-old “Bodak Yellow” rapper announced Thursday night that she won’t be joining Bruno Mars on his “24K Magic World Tour” in order to stay home with Kulture, who was born barely two weeks ago.

    “I thought that after giving birth to…

  • [NYDN] Aaron Judge fractures right wrist, out at least 3 weeks as Yankees top Royals 7-2
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:30:00 PM)

    Just as the Yankees were loading up in their arms race with the Red Sox for the pennant push, they lost some significant firepower. Aaron Judge sustained a chip fracture of the right wrist and will be out at least three weeks.

    Judge broke the ulnar styloid bone and while he will not need surgery,…

  • [NYDN] Zach Britton pitches a scoreless eighth inning in Yankees debut
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:15:00 PM)

    There was a ripple of pride through Washington Heights when it was announced that the Yankees has pulled off a trade for closer Zach Britton. Known as the Little Dominican Republic, the Yankees were getting one of the family.

    Yup, Britton, is a proud Dominican.

    “My mom is Dominican. I know I don’t…

  • [NYDN] Asdrubal Cabrera powers Mets as they beat Pirates 12-6 for third straight win
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 7:35:00 PM)

    PITTSBURGH — Asdrubal Cabrera is well versed in what can happen at the trade deadline. He found himself on the move four years ago when the Cleveland Indians sent him to Washington to help the Nationals make a playoff push.

    The second baseman is in the same position again with the floundering New…

  • [NYDN] President Trump knew about infamous Trump Tower meeting with Russians, Michael Cohen reportedly claims
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 7:20:00 PM)

    Despite his denials, President Trump allegedly knew about a 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with Russian agents.

    Michael Cohen, the President’s former personal attorney and fixer, claims his client knew in advance that Russians promised to drop dirt on his opponent, Hillary Clinton, during the campaign,…

  • [NYDN] Roseanne Barr won’t let Sean Hannity blame Valerie Jarrett tweet on mental illness in first TV interview since ABC firing
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 7:00:00 PM)

    Roseanne Barr still insists that calling Valerie Jarrett the baby of the “Muslim brotherhood & ‘Planet of the Apes’” wasn’t racist.

    The controversial actress, who was fired from ABC and the reboot of her eponymous sitcom in late May, appeared on Fox News with Sean Hannity Thursday night in her…

  • [NYDN] Brooklyn man fatally shot and two others wounded in playground melee
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 5:55:00 PM)

    An argument in a Brooklyn playground escalated into gunfire Thursday night, leaving one man fatally shot and two others wounded.

    A 21-year-old man was struck in the back during the fracas in the Bushwick Playground at Woodbine St. and Knickerbocker Ave about 6:30 p.m., police sources said. He was…

  • [NYDN] Ackert: Yankees’ J.A. Happ, Zach Britton perfect pitching weapons to fight Red Sox in AL East race
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 5:50:00 PM)

    Zach Britton had almost too much time to think about what was happening.

    Then the Orioles’ closer, Britton knew after a rain delay that he was likely to be dealt to the Yankees after the game. When the Orioles had a save situation later Tuesday night, the bullpen phone rang and his name wasn’t…

  • [NYDN] Bishop who spoke at Prince Harry, Meghan Markle’s royal wedding to undergo surgery for cancer
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 5:50:00 PM)

    The bishop who drew wild applause at the Royal Wedding in May announced Wednesday that he’s set to undergo surgery stemming from his prostate cancer.

    Michael Bruce Curry, presiding bishop and primate of the The Episcopal Church and former leader of the Episcopal Diocese of North Carolina, revealed…

  • [NYDN] Hundreds of kids remain separated from migrant parents despite court-ordered reunification deadline
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 5:40:00 PM)

    Nearly one in three children taken into custody under the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” immigration policy remained separated from their parents as a court-ordered reunification deadline elapsed Thursday, federal officials said.

    In a joint status report filed in federal court in San Diego,…

  • [NYDN] Lauryn Hill cancels, postpones multiple dates on ‘Miseducation’ tour
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 5:30:00 PM)

    Lauryn Hill won’t be late for more than half a dozen of the shows on her “Miseducation” 20th anniversary tour — because she’s canceled them entirely.

    The 43-year-old musician, who has angered fans with her near constant tardiness on tour, won’t hit stops in North Carolina, Florida, New Jersey and…

  • [NYDN] That ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ sounds more like a spinoff than a reboot after all
    (Thursday, July 26, 2018 5:00:00 PM)

    Into a new generation, a new slayer will be born.

    Days after the announcement that the ‘90s classic series “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” was being rebooted with a female black lead, the new showrunner made same clarifications amid widespread criticism.

    As originally presented, the new “Buffy” sounded…

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    56 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2018.07.27)”

    1. Kadeem Allen is an excellent camp flier, as defensive combo guard who can’t shoot. 6’3, 200lb w a 6’9″ wingspan. He’s definitely an NBA-caliber defender in the Marcus Smart mode, He will give the Knicks guards all kinds of problems in camp.

    2. How did he score so much if he can’t shoot? I’m asking because I don’t know him at all, but I read his profile and he averaged close to twenty a game in G league, with one game of 46 points.

    3. I missed the discussion on Sean Marks yesterday, but I think he’s mostly just been okay. Some of his salary dumps for picks moves have been nice like the Bogdanovic, Carroll and Faried deals, but he’s fortunate to even have had such substantial cap space to begin with.

      Two of his first moves were to sign Allen Crabbe and Tyler Johnson to offer sheets, which were matched by Portland and Miami respectively. A year later he took on the Crabbe deal without an asset attached even though Portland was desperate to dump the deal and there was 3 years, $57m left on the deal. If the TJ offer sheet had been matched the cap space used to take on the Faried contract for a pick wouldn’t have existed.

      The biggest fuck up however was the DLo trade and even at the time I thought it showed quite poor negotiating from Marks. The Lakers wanted to both desperately clear cap space for this summer and move on from DLo. You can’t give up the best player in the deal with the exact expiring contract LAL craved, take on one of the worst contracts in the league with in Mozgov with 3 years, $48m remaining on it AND give up a late 1st. And if he thought DLo was good enough to justify that type of outlay that looks like awful talent evaluation as things currently stand.

      For the most part I don’t think he’s bad or deserves to be fired or anything even close to that, but the universal fawning that occurs any time the Nets make a move is ridiculous. He’s done an OK job and that’s an improvement over Billy King but he’s not running laps around the rest of the league either. Moving forward there’s no excuses for him as the Nets now have control of all their 1st round picks. Let’s see how he proceeds from here.

    4. Y’all seen Enes Kanter on the new episode of NBA Desktop? What a supremely likeable dude.

    5. The biggest fuck up however was the DLo trade and even at the time I thought it showed quite poor negotiating from Marks. The Lakers wanted to both desperately clear cap space for this summer and move on from DLo. You can’t give up the best player in the deal with the exact expiring contract LAL craved, take on one of the worst contracts in the league with in Mozgov with 3 years, $48m remaining on it AND give up a late 1st. And if he thought DLo was good enough to justify that type of outlay that looks like awful talent evaluation as things currently stand.

      The biggest advantage he got there was that the initial reporting didn’t mention the first round pick so the fan reaction to the deal sort of solidified on the initial deal and people didn’t really react to the first rounder, which I agree, made that a bad trade.

    6. @BC

      Even after it was reported there was alot of “well that’s the price to get a talent like DLo”. It’s really weird that somehow D’Angelo Russell, after being an inefficient volume scorer for the first two years of his career and a truly god awful defender, was deemed some kind of burgeoning young star.

    7. Allen’s offensive numbers in the G-League is interesting. He played 34mpg so his per game stats are close to his per36 numbers. He shot 50% on 3’s on 108 attempts a game (good!) and 30% on 3’s on 4.3 attempts a game (bad!). He shot 73% on FTs on 4.3 attempts per game (meh!) He had good rebounding numbers and decent assist and ast/to numbers for a combo guard. Essentially he’s a 36% 3-pt shot away from being an effective NBA player. If nothing else, he will make Frank (and Trier) earn his minutes and give Trey someone to reckon with in training camp.

    8. Even after it was reported there was alot of “well that’s the price to get a talent like DLo”. It’s really weird that somehow D’Angelo Russell, after being an inefficient volume scorer for the first two years of his career and a truly god awful defender, was deemed some kind of burgeoning young star.

      I bolded the part that explains why people thought he was a burgeoning young star. ;)

    9. I shudder to mention the word, since all we did for years was argue about Wins Produced, but Berri had good research about how getting drafted high provides a very long tailwind to earnings, even if you are objectively bad. Guys who got taken high will have longer careers and earn more than guys drafted lower, independent of performance. So many examples of this but Russell is probably going to be a good one. Bargnani was in the league long after he should have been. Kwame Brown played 12 years in the league!

      Regarding the conversation from yesterday, there is a major monetary benefit to winning games, another thing that Berri hashed out in some detail. It goes well beyond the value of extra playoff games, flowing through to ticket prices, merchandise, concessions, and tv rights. You see the same thing in baseball too. Lot of incentive to win even if it doesn’t position you to compete for a chip.

    10. getting drafted high provides a very long tailwind to earnings, even if you are objectively bad.

      Just look at Perry and Mills’ “second draft” approach with all these former lottery picks from other teams. Fortunately, they’re not really overpaying for anyone, and Burke is a good example of why you try that gamble, on the off-chance that they finally start showing the talent to justify their original draft position. But there’s a difference between signing a Trey Burke to a cheap and partially guaranteed deal and doing what Brooklyn did to get Russell, or — God help us — what the Knicks did to get Bargnani.

    11. Z-man, thanks for the data (although there’s some sort of typo in the three point data cited). I’ve been wondering why Boston didn’t keep him, but maybe their signing of Marcus Smart along with having Irving means they are more interested in young players at other positions.

    12. Just look at Perry and Mills’ “second draft” approach with all these former lottery picks from other teams. Fortunately, they’re not really overpaying for anyone, and Burke is a good example of why you try that gamble, on the off-chance that they finally start showing the talent to justify their original draft position.

      It would be interesting to see the follow up data on players that were drafted in the lottery at 18-19 years of age and had 2-4 disappointing years to see what the probabilities are for reaching various peaks (all star, solid starter on a good team, role player, bust etc..).

      I haven’t got a clue what the answer is, but let’s just say 3% of them become stars and 10% become solid starters. If you could accumulate 5-6 of them on the cheap you might be giving yourself a pretty good chance of coming up with a very good player.

    13. Z-man, thanks for the data (although there’s some sort of typo in the three point data cited). I’ve been wondering why Boston didn’t keep him, but maybe their signing of Marcus Smart along with having Irving means they are more interested in young players at other positions.

      He shot 50% on 3’s on 108 attempts a game (good!) and 30% on 3’s on 4.3 attempts a game (bad!). He shot 73% on FTs on 4.3 attempts per game (meh!)

      -OOPS! Sorry! It should read:

      He shot 50% on 2’s on 108 attempts a game (good!) and 30% on 3’s on 4.3 attempts a game (bad!). He shot 73% on FTs on 4.3 attempts per game (meh!)

    14. I think Hezonja is the best bet out of all non Burke ex-lotto tickets to figure it out. In his 30 games as a starter for Orlando last year, a sample size of 911 minutes, he posted a .571TS% on a 20% USG, and he averaged over a steal per game. The per game splits were 14 points, 5.6 rebounds, and 2.2 assists, and he was a 37% shooter from 3 as a starter. If he can improve on those numbers as he’ll likely be a starter for us (so long as we actually accomplish a Courtney Lee trade), that’s great value on a $6M deal.

      Of course I like Frank’s chances to develop into an elite defender with at least enough offense to stay on the floor and affect games positively, but we drafted him. Vonleh and Mudiay are guys who will continue to suck and drive the tank full speed.

    15. Of the second draft guys, I’m interested in seeing whether Vonleh is going to be any good. I went back and read several pre-draft scouting reports on him and every one said the same thing — a lot of upside but whoever drafts him will have to be patient because it will take several years for him to grow into being a contributor.

    16. @10

      This is a good point. Sometimes people tend to forget that not every high upside low production player is equal.

      There’s a difference between gambling on Hezonja, Burke, Mudiay, Vonleh or Russell. They were all hyped prospects who were considered busts for various reasons, but some of them have shown something production wise and some have not.

      I would like the Knicks to focus on the ones who have shown some production at least, like Hezonja and Burke, but it’s been a mixed bag so far.

    17. I think with Hezonja, the strategy has to be to give him a ton of minutes, put him on display, and try to deal him at the deadline. If he improves, he’s likely going to warrant the type of $$ that we won’t give him. but, with picks being at a premium these days, I doubt we will get much value back unless he just goes nuts for us. Last year, LA got a 1st for Clarkson AND Nance. Orlando only got a 2nd for Elfrid Payton which is probably Marios’ high water mark

    18. What are the main reasons that keep lottery picks from reaching their potential early on?

      -stretching the floor
      -limiting turnovers
      -defending effectively w/o fouling
      -defending in space
      -adapting to the size/speed/length of the NBA game

      Seems like some guys have a single thing they need to dramatically improve to be valuable players, while others have multiple obstacles. Seems that choosing the former for cheap flyers is preferable.

    19. Seems like some guys have a single thing they need to dramatically improve to be valuable players, while others have multiple obstacles. Seems that choosing the former for cheap flyers is preferable.

      So what would you say Burke’s single thing was, from Utah to the player he is for us?

    20. Weak defenders seem easier to profile and identify by scouting.

      What seems to be tougher to figure out is which young versatile scorers are going to raise their efficiency to an acceptable or higher level and which top defenders are going to at least be able to add a good 3 point shot over time to make them playable.

      If Vonleh could add a solid 3 point shot, he’d be a pretty darn good player, but I have no idea if he will ever do that.

      If Hezonja could improve his TS% to 57% or 58%, he’d be a very good offensive player. He may or may not be be able to do that, but I can’t imagine him ever being a good defender.

    21. So what would you say Burke’s single thing was, from Utah to the player he is for us?

      With him, it’s two things: he is scoring far more efficiently (mainly via a great 2pt%) and is getting more assists per 36 without more turnovers (has always been good at taking care of the ball.) Now, some say that his 2pt% is an outlier and unsustainable at 56%. However, 1) he did have an off year from the FT line (65% vs. 80+% for the rest of his career and 83% in the G-League. 2) his FT-rate is ticking up and was quite good in the G-League, and 3) he shot 42% on his 3’s in 165 attempts in the G-League and 36% on 105 attempts after being called up, yet his 3-pt rate actually was at a career low.

      What I’m suggesting is that he has multiple ways to sustain his 56% TS% or even improve it, even if his 2pt% drops somewhat. But definitely, if he can’t sustain his TS%, he is not an NBA rotation player unless he posts a crazy-high asst% with low TOV%.

    22. Also, @18 wasn’t intended to be a complete list. You could add “scoring efficiently” to the list but that could just as well fall under “stretching the floor” and “adapting to the size/speed/length of the NBA game.” Burke was a very efficient scorer both in college (and later in the G-League) so it was “expected” that scoring efficiently would be a strength at his size when he was drafted. Without that, he’s just not an NBA player.

    23. I’ve been wondering why Boston didn’t keep him

      It is possible to have too many assets, a point the “persue more assets at all costs” folks would do well to remember.

    24. Even if Burke doesn’t hit 56 or 57%, I think that’s still pretty good for a point guard, b

    25. It is possible to have too many assets, a point the “persue more assets at all costs” folks would do well to remember.

      Uh, Kadeem Allen is a guy who is probably not even going to make the Knicks’ stank ass roster. I don’t think Boston is losing too much sleep over the “we have too many assets to keep Kadeem Allen” problem.

    26. Yup, too many assets, should have kept his honor and stayed with Pierce and Garnett until they retired.

    27. @ Z-Man # 21 – “So what would you say Burke’s single thing was, from Utah to the player he is for us”

      Answer: He grew up.

      Seriously, getting fired twice and kicked out the league will either humble or break you. He simply matured. Is now older, wiser, got married, had a kid and worked countless hours into mastering his craft. This helps him remove some unhelpful emotions from his game, slows it down and allows him to make better decisions out the on the court. Not rocket science. Just normal adult and professional development.

    28. I doubt we will get much value back unless he just goes nuts for us. Last year, LA got a 1st for Clarkson AND Nance. Orlando only got a 2nd for Elfrid Payton which is probably Marios’ high water mark

      And Elfrid and Nance were both on rookie deals, meaning the acquiring team had matching rights on their next contract. Clarkson was locked in for multiple years. Mario is an unrestricted free agent. It’s hard to imagine any team giving up an asset to get half a season of his average-at-best play.

      If he’s traded, it will likely be for salary matching purposes as part of a bigger deal.

    29. @ Z-Man # 21 – “So what would you say Burke’s single thing was, from Utah to the player he is for us”

      Answer: He grew up.

      Seriously, getting fired twice and kicked out the league will either humble or break you. He simply matured. Is now older, wiser, got married, had a kid and worked countless hours into mastering his craft. This helps him remove some unhelpful emotions from his game, slows it down and allows him to make better decisions out the on the court. Not rocket science. Just normal adult and professional development.

      You sound very confident in this answer. Do you have any evidence to support it? Because there are many, many draft busts who have gotten married and had kids, yet never got better at basketball.

    30. If anyone knows any Houston Rockets stans, don’t forget that this year is the year to fleece them on the over/under game.

      r/HoustonRockets actually thinks that Carmelo sucked last year (and didn’t suck in 2016-17) because of the Thunder offense. Not because he’s bad on both sides of the ball, but because Westbrook isn’t an accurate passer. They also think he’s coming off the bench (ahahahahahah).

      I have seen some abject delusion on this site, but those idiots are proving new depths of tribal idiocy that I only could have dreamed of.

    31. The thing about Hezonja’s deal is really how pointless it all seems, that’s why I really hated that it was just a 1 year deal.

      There’s no upside here, either he’ll play well and price himself out of the Knicks next year, while still not being super tradeable because of the contract, or he’ll just be bad and nothing will happen. Bonus points if he plays super well and brings more unnecessary wins then bails the next offseason.

      I liked the decision to go for him, but the contract is really bad. I get that he might not be willing to come in a longer term deal or with team options but it all seems so pointless.

    32. Also yo we’re paying Noah more than Houston is paying Capela. What the mother fuck

    33. Also yo we’re paying Noah more than Houston is paying Capela. What the mother fuck

      Thanks, Phil!

    34. @32 – I vqdixalky agree with you that it’s a frustrating deal. I think there are two (both very marginal) reasons why it might have still been worth it. 1) people make a big deal of Perry rehabbing our rep with FAs and agents. If Hez gets exposure and minutes to parlay into a bigger deal then we’ve done him a solid and that’s not nothing when you start from Jackson dissing Lebron’s ‘posse’. 2) if he really does have a good year he might give us a small hometown discount and if he’s good enough to resign and we get him for value then great.

      Of course you have to weigh this vs the chance he costs us some losses but even better-than-expected Hez is unlikely to do that I think…

    35. @ 30 – also way to reduce his point to “he got married and had kids.” That was not the point of his post about Burke at all. Burke came into the league full of himself, struggled, then decided to put in the work to get better. And then it happened. I know. Crazy, right? Will he keep improving or even stay where he was last year with us? Who knows. But Burke himself has talked about it openly a lot so there’s no reason not to believe he improved for other reasons.

    36. @28, 36. 37: That doesn’t explain what, only why. The discussion was about the specific aspects of his on-the-court game that needed to improve. Rarely do things improve without a focused approach and a lot of hard work. Why that approach and work is brought on, whether by being humbled, growing up, or whatever, is an entirely different conversation.

      Burke’s statistical profile from his rookie year to now has remained very stable in certain categories. His per36 FGA, 3PA FT, FTA, ORB, DRB, TRB, STL, BLK TOV and PF have all stayed in a very narrow range. The only significant changes are in FGM and AST. He’s shooting better (and a bit more) and passing better (and a bit more.) That’s it.

    37. I didn’t reduce anything. The claim was that Burke is better because he worked hard and grew up. Do you know how many draft busts mature and put in lots of hours in the gym? Lots. Most of them never get better beyond the normal development curve. So I don’t think that’s a sufficient explanation for his or anyone’s late emergence as a basketball player.

    38. My issue with the Burke discussion is the same issue I have with sample sizes here.

      Mudiay is horrible for 4700 minutes and the optimistic narrative is “we still don’t know what he is, he can still improve and be good, those minutes are not an indication of his future”

      Burke plays bad for 6600 minutes then well in 780 minutes with the Knicks and he’s figured it all out and proven he’s mature and a different and improved player.

      Can’t we just hold our horses a little bit on Burke at least? He’ll be part of the mix for the next season as he should, and he’ll have consistent opportunities to produce, then we can talk about his maturity and improvement and all that. I don’t understand how you guys can be so sure of some pretty uncertain things with small sample sizes and so unsure about others in the face of consistent evidence.

    39. I have seen some abject delusion on this site, but those idiots are proving new depths of tribal idiocy that I only could have dreamed of.

      I guess Morey and D’Antoni are idiots. They should throw away all the advanced stats models they are using and use the ones we are looking at instead.

      Seriously, it seems obvious to me that Melo has been declining rapidly and is a downgrade from Ariza. The thing is, it’s almost 100% certain they know that too. That was not the issue. Basketball is a business. Paying Ariza would have cost them a fortune in salary and tax penalties. The idea would be to try to replace Ariza and others contributors from last year the best they can at prices that make sense for them. They are getting Melo at the minimum. Morey will probably come up with some other body off the scrap heap and make up most of the lost production at a fraction of the cost. Then they are going to have to hope Capela or someone else jumps up.

    40. I mean, why not get excited about a draft quasi-bust who signed a make-good minimum deal, lit it up in the G-League, and as a mid-season call-up provided the only real bright spot in a lost season? No one’s putting him in the hof yet.

    41. After we buy Noah out in a little over a month (which would be a mistake) he’s better than even money to help some team a LOT off the bench this year. It would be 100% if they could count on him remaining healthy, but that’s problematical. Either way he serves no purpose here (other than as a mentor for Robinson) because we are on the “get worse every year” path to the title and will be back in contention just in time for Stratomatic to hit his 100th birthday and for KP to be in Noah’s shape.

    42. @43

      Well, then get excited, I’m not telling anyone to not be excited. Just that maybe we should wait a bit before we declare he grew up and is a different player because we really don’t know yet how that’s going to work out in a full season, the sample size is far too small to make definitive assumptions.

    43. One thing about Trey Burke is he’s always been a low turnover guard with a career 2.8 per 48 while the average PG has 3.5 per 48. I think it’s also worth noting that both Burke and Kanter came from Utah and hate Utah. I’m not sure what that is about because Utah has developed some pretty good players, but Kanter was a shitsicle until he left Utah and became front-court Eric Gordon. I think Trey Burke is going to provide a lot of value over his salary, and I love that he never forces the issue. He played high IQ ball for us and wasn’t limited by an inability to shoot, drive, or pass. It’s going to be hard for Ntilikina and Mudiay to take minutes from him.

    44. I don’t really see Noah helping anybody because he no longer has the ability to move. The guy is like a fucking mummy out there and he has been for several seasons. He can still rebound, but that is about it. He’s too slow and stiff to play effective defense anymore, and he’s a complete zero on offense unless you’re running the triangle and really need a guy that can pass from the pinch post.

    45. @45: Just that maybe we should wait a bit before we declare he grew up and is a different player like you’r referring to someone else.

      I’m with you there. I personally don’t care much about how or why he played so well last year. I just loved what I saw, and I love that what he showed after being called up was pretty much aligned with what he was showing in the G-league and what he did way back when during his sophomore year in college. My point is that his ability to be an effective NBA PG going forward is entirely contingent on his TS%. He’ll never be more than mediocre defensively or as a rebounder. However, he’ll always take care of the ball better than most. But the shooting is variable. The biggest concern is that his shooting on 2pt shots from 16 ft and out was a freaky 56.6%! Even Steph has only beaten that mark twice. Kevin Durant never did it. If Burke missed 11 more shots from that long 2 range, he’d be around his career average. But those 22 points could have been made up on 4 more made 3’s (he shot over 40% on over 200 attempts during 2016-17 and in the G-league) and 10 more made FTs (he only shot 65%, far below his career numbers of over 80% everywhere else. So there’s reason to be hopeful that he’s figured out how to be more efficient.

    46. It is interesting how much Kanter hates Utah. Rarely do you hear a guy hate a former team quite that much.

    47. @48

      I have some hope, he did show good signs. My problem with assuming he’ll be good is that his production shows a worrying profile of a lot of midrange shots coupled with the combination of very low free throw rates and very low steal numbers + only mediocre 3pt%.

      Like, Chris Paul made a legendary career for himself without having the size and while shooting a lot of midrange jumpers and not a lot of 3s, but he always had very good free throw rates for his size and was a monster stealing the ball. Kyle Lowry is another guy who has a similar profile, obviously a bit worse in everything compared to a guy like Paul.

      I worry that Burke will simply be a huge negative on defense and if he can’t get to the line or become an elite 3pt shooter it won’t be enough to have a very good assist to turnover rate and good midrange percentages.

      I’m not asking him to be Chris Paul or even Lowry obviously. His statistical profile screams Jameer Nelson to me. Low steal and FTA numbers, not an elite shooter but a good ast to TO ratio who had some good seasons. Nelson on his prime would probably be the best point guard we’ve had in a while but hardly something to get too excited about.

    48. Well if you can land a prime Jameer Neslon (mid-late 20’s version) on a minimum flyer, that’s something to get REALLY excited about! Jameer’s problem was that he couldn’t stay healthy, but when healthy he was an upper-half starting PG during that stretch. I mean, that’s exactly the kind of find you hope for in the bargain bin. You’re almost certainly not gonna find anything like Chris Paul or Kyle Lowry there!

    49. I’ll say this about Trey Burke: he had a big spike in his assist rate without a rise in turnovers. His career AST% before last year was 25.0, and his career TOV% was 11.5. Last year he had a solid 36.4 AST% and a very low 9.5 TOV%.

      How good is a 36.4 AST%? It would have ranked Burke 8th in the NBA if he had enough minutes to qualify. A lot of the guys that would have ranked ahead of him had sky-high turnover rates. Burke averaged 7.8 assists, 2.0 turnovers per 36 minutes, close to a 4-1 assist/turnover ratio.

      I think the improvement in Burke’s passing game is not a fluke, and is sustainable.

    50. @51

      I agree, it’s a good find, but I think his best case scenario is Nelson, if he keeps the pace from the 800 minutes he played last season.

      Anyway he should be starting and getting regular minutes, there’s no reason not to play him 30 mpg.

    51. I think Trey’s ceiling is Kemba Walker. They’re similar in some ways. Kemba is a low-turnover PG who was not very good until age 25, then made a leap. The season Trey had last year in 800-ish minutes was pretty similar to what Kemba does over 2700 minutes— efficient scoring, good assist-turnover ratio, add it all up and it comes out to around .150 WS48.

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