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Wednesday, November 22, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.10.08)

  • [SNY Knicks] GEICO SportsNite: Knicks prepare for regular season
    (Saturday, October 07, 2017 11:29:39 PM)

  • [SNY Knicks] Joakim Noah ready to make impact with Knicks this season
    (Saturday, October 07, 2017 12:37:42 PM)

    Joakim Noah won’t be able to play in the first 12 games of the regular season, but he’s still looking forward to making positives strides when he does return.

  • [SNY Knicks] Scott Perry wants players to ‘fight hard,’ not worried about wins
    (Saturday, October 07, 2017 9:47:08 AM)

    According to new Knicks GM Scott Perry, the fan base wouldn’t mind if this year’s squad loses as long as they “fight hard every night.”

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis on Knicks: We’re starting to figure each other out
    (Saturday, October 07, 2017 7:32:05 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — The thing with The Process is that it’s, well, a process.

  • [NYTimes] Connie Hawkins, Electrifying N.B.A. Forward Banned in His Prime, Dies at 75
    (Sunday, October 08, 2017 2:04:17 AM)

    Hawkins, a playground legend in New York, did not make his N.B.A. debut until age 27 because of unfounded connections to a point-shaving scandal.

  • [NYDN] Frank Ntilikina’s injured knee will keep him out vs. Brooklyn
    (Saturday, October 07, 2017 4:28:37 PM)

    For Knicks fans who are anxious to see some more of the team’s first-round pick, you’ll have to stay patient.

  • [NYDN] New Knick Kanter on social issues, Turkey & bringing game to MSG
    (Saturday, October 07, 2017 10:45:00 AM)

    Training camp is for introductions. So here comes Enes Kanter, the newest Knick to enter a white tent in the NBA’s forever circus.

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ Frank Ntilikina will miss another preseason game
    (Saturday, October 07, 2017 11:10:06 PM)

    Frank Ntilikina will sit out his second straight preseason game — Sunday against the Nets — and is still considered day-to-day with a knee bruise, but the 19-year-old said he could return to action Monday night against the Rockets. Ntilikina, who missed all of summer league because of the same injury, said he isn’t concerned…

  • [NYPost] One key part of Knicks future isn’t ready to tank for it
    (Saturday, October 07, 2017 2:56:21 PM)

    A plan is in place. The bar has been dropped. Before the Knicks’ preseason loss Friday to the Wizards, new general manager Scott Perry said he believes fans just want to see the team compete hard, and that “they can live with the results” — if the long-term direction of the franchise is positive. The…

  • 134 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.10.08)

    1. ptmilo

      it’s painful watching Jordan bell just scream future NBA asset, knowing he was just sitting there on stubhub for 3.5 million. In fact this is the identical asset (a high Chicago second) we just netted as the only positive value from the Melo trade. and instead we are stuck trying get excited about a guy with a checkered past whose good case looks like Jodie meeks (I know some love his defense; I do not see it). But it’s got to be way worse for bulls fans.

    2. Z-man

      I, for one, am very happy with Dotson. I also think that McDermott might have positive value and Kanter is at least worth his contract.

      But yeah, Jordan Bell would have been a nice get.

    3. Z-man

      I wonder when Baker and Kuz will be cleared to play. I’m going to the preseason finale next Friday, it would be great to see everyone play w/o G-League scrubs XRM and NH in the way. I thought Kuz looked great in Eurobasket, much better on D than last year.

    4. lavor postell

      I love Bell, but he was medically red flagged by a number of teams because of multiple foot injuries, which is why he was even on the board that late. Maybe the Knicks were one? Idk, but for GSW that was obviously a great value and for the Bulls I really don’t get why you’d sell the pick outright.

      Their reasoning was even more bizarre since they said that there was nobody of interest left on their board. If you have the 38th pick in a draft and your board only has 37 names of interest on it, you deserve to be fired.

    5. ptmilo

      I love Bell, but he was medically red flagged by a number of teams because of multiple foot injuries, which is why he was even on the board that late. Maybe the Knicks were one?

      sure but the downside becomes irrelevant when the strike price is zero. maybe $3.5 million of non-cap money and a roster spot isn’t quite nothing to some teams but it is to us. we are paying $4.8 million for four years of kurt rambis’ wisdom. we are paying god knows how much termination money for phil jackson to tweet pictures of his feet from montana. we are paying $4.9 million for an unprecedented player option year for an undrafted free agent with a career bpm of -4.4 because we are too big to dream small (sorry ron still rooting for you).

    6. Z-man

      Bell was very impressive pre-draft. But being that the Knicks already had 2 2nd round picks and lots of forwards, it probably wasn’t a priority at the time. But yeah, if I were GM and money was no object, I’d buy as many 2nd round picks as I could every year. It’s the quintessential low-risk, high reward move. I was pissed when they didn’t buy a pick to grab Felder, only to watch the Cavs do just that.

    7. stratomatic loves this new Knicks team

      I thought Kuzminskas looked pretty good in the recent Euro tournament, but with McBuckets on the team now, I’m not sure what kind of role he’s going have in NY going forward. McBuckets is younger and looks like a better shooter. It’s not like Kuz does everything else so much better that he can get those minutes.

    8. Ben R

      I think Kuzminskas could have a role on this team.

      There is talk to play one of our centers behind KP but I think O’Quinn, Kanter and Billy are all too slow to play the PF. That leaves Beasley, Thomas, and Kuzminskas fighting for those minutes. I would love to see Kuzminskas win the battle because Thomas is not very good and Beasley is too scattered to be consistently productive.

      I think McDurmott should be the back up SF just so we can get a long look at him before his contract is up. He is only 25 and one of the greatest scorers in NCAA history. I’d love to give him a shot at a role on this team long term.

    9. Totes McGoats Makes 18mil For 14ppg

      I think tonight’s game will tell us alot about the new additions and how they fit. Sucks for Ntilikina that he’ll be out because Hornacek gave us a game soft deadline of 3 games to see what we have. Ntilikina’s a big piece- rookie or not. He may hafta log starters minutes the last few preseason games.

      I’ve long been a McBuckets fan, and it looks like he’s coming into his own as a Knick. I’m excited. Because of Ntilikina’s lack of playing time due to injury, don’t be surprised if we keep Jack and Sessions. Baker is as close to expendable as he can be right now. He’s gonna hafta get healthy and play well enough to make Lee expendable. Dumping Baker wouldn’t be a surprise, whether its via trade or cutting him. That’s not a good look considering the overpay on who was an UDFA to begin with. Hopefully I can get a good feed of the game tonight- I plan on watching intently.

    10. Z-man

      My early pessimistic prediction based on a quick look at the schedule: 28-54, 6th worst record behind Bulls, Suns, Hawks, Pacers, Kings.

      This assumes that we play better early on, then dump vets before the deadline, then go into tank mode.

    11. ess-dog

      No one will take Baker’s dumb contract, and we won’t eat it. He’s on the team, even if it’s just as an end of bench guy. But all he has to do is be efficient and play better D than Sessions/Jack to get pt. He can do that right?
      And Beasley might be better suited as the backup pf. You don’t want him hoisting too many contested threes.
      Idk, this is a pretty flawed group, but at least there’s some upside for once.

    12. Z-man

      If everything goes right (or wrong, draft-wise) I could see 38 wins, passing teams like the Nets, Magic, l
      Lakers, Mavs. But we just don’t have enough veteran 2-way players right now to make that likely.

    13. danvt

      FN is the only player that can really be considered an x factor. That is, we don’t know what we have yet. As to upside, we also have KP and Wily who have a legit shot to show improvement. Will we win more than lose? Perry doesn’t seem to think so and is already hedging which is kind of a bummer to me. Does he think another couple of late lottery picks and salary cap space in the summer of 2019 puts us over the top? I guess that’s the plan.

      I think defensive rotations might help be competitive in the short term and maybe put us at .500. That’s my small sliver of hope. It seems Wily’s struggles are on the defensive end. Kanter as well. They are similar players, gifted offensively but we seem to trade baskets when they’re in. This team, in the last few years and through two preseason games, gives up tons of easy baskets. Bigs give up uncontested dunks, wings don’t cover threes, PG’s allow penetration. If there’s one thing I’d like to see it’d be some effective coaching around defense. That’s where FN may make his biggest impact as a player. I’d love to see us give up 25 or less a quarter. 30+ points / quarter equals the same old shit. It’s like a baseball team whose starters have an ERA of 5+ trying to win.

      Defense is how we’ll go from 30 to 40 wins. Now that Melo and DRose are gone and it’s more of a cohesive unit, with players vying for playing time, there should be plenty of willingness to sell out hard for the game plan. So it’s on the coaching staff to teach rotations.

    14. Z-man

      Even though FN has an excellent defensive profile, playing perimeter defense against NBA offenses and star players takes time, especially for 19yo’s. I doubt that he’ll have much overall impact in terms of W’s and L’s. If anything, they’ll lose more while he takes his rookie lumps. For me, the upside in this team is with the 2nd and 3rd year players and in Kanter and McDermott. Dotson is already older than KP and Willy, so he might have a positive impact as well. And Noah might add something unexpected. But most likely, we will struggle to hit the 30-win mark.

    15. ess-dog

      All we know right now is that we have definitive potential with KP and Willy. That’s it. And Kanter has proven to be roughly average: he giveth what he taketh away. And those guys all basically play the same position. The rest is hope and conjecture at this point.

    16. stratomatic loves this new Knicks team

      Unless there’s an objection, I’m going to start referring to Frank Ntilikina as Frank Nitti. I can’t pronounce his name, I keep forgetting how to spell it, and just calling him Frank doesn’t feel right. Frank Nitti may not fit exactly, but whenever I call him that around my job people laugh. So I’m going to go with it.

    17. JK47

      I think it’s pretty likely that Frank is a sub-.050 WS48 player. You don’t see many 19-year old PG prospects do much better than that. If he’s substantially better than that, we probably have a star on our hands. If he’s not substantially better than that, we have kind of a PG black hole on our hands. Which is okay. This year is all about development. This is not going to be a real strong team. This is a rebuild situation.

    18. ClashFan

      The Jets game reminded me that, as bad as they have been run for years, the Browns are on their own level of horror. Next week either sends the Jets back to reality as a mediocre to bad team, or they beat NE and suddenly have to be taken seriously.

      Sad to see Frank out again. It’s really no fun watching Sessions and Jack. I understand that we need one of them, but…

    19. Z-man

      The Giants, on the other hand….

      Yeah, it’s tough to see guys like Frank, Kuz and Baker not playing, after looking so forward to it. On the other hand, Sessions and Jack are both coming off injuries and could use the reps. I think we keep both of them to start.

      It’s probably gonna be an ugly first couple of weeks for lots of teams, given the shortened preseason and roster turnover.

    20. bockadoo

      Giants have 4 wide receivers go down including Beckham. Beckham’s injury looks bad. The overrated Eli Manning needs to hang ‘em up. He is and always has been slightly above average. He was along for the ride on the two SB’s. The season is lost now. Trade him or sit him and play a young guy and get the top draft pick the Jets were supposed to get.

    21. dtrickey

      Meanwhile, my Melbourne United are giving OKC a run for their money. I know it is just a pre-season game for the NBA guys, but these exhibition games are big for the Australian league.

    22. ClashFan

      I hope League Pass works better tonight.

      Neither game stream has worked on PC so far at nba.com, which is by far my preferred way to watch the games. Roku has worked both nights, but I’ve had the NBA app crash 3 times, twice causing my Roku to reboot (something no other Roku app has ever done, and we use it daily). Friday night it crashed and did not resume the stream once the device rebooted; I missed the last 5 minutes or so of the game.

      The Android app did not work for the first game, but was working early on Friday night when I checked.

    23. ClydesCowSuit

      @26 What is the worst about league pass?

      A) their apps are terrible and crash
      B) paying, then having to watch commercials for league pass
      C) game streams pausing or being choppy and unreliable

      Its truly astonishing to me given how much they are banking off the product. Its still early on the season…i guess…

    24. ClashFan

      @27
      It got better last year, but there were still problems with the stream on PC stopping during commercial time outs, and then not restarting. I had to manually restart each time. On Roku, the streams did not stop, but the app did crash from time to time.

      Edit: Android stream working right now, but no PC or Roku.

    25. ClashFan

      Jarrett Jack might be worse than Rose on defense, and Sessions is not much better. Willy is working his ass off on the boards.

    26. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      We’ve looked like the worst team in the league this preseason which is awesome

    27. ClashFan

      What’s a bit disconcerting about tonight is that the Nets area clearly playing harder. Maybe the fact that the Knicks are playing a back to back tomorrow factors in to that, and I guess the Nets are playing close to their regular rotations, whereas the Knicks are not.

      Willy is playing very hard tonight, though.

    28. er

      Definitely the commercials. It pisses me off. Like we are here already cut the shit NBA. Also the platforms are unreliable

      It’s a shirt product that needs a major overhall. Send in Marty Khan and the Bain type of consultants to help please

    29. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      At least this Yankees Cleveland game isn’t soul crushingly horrible to watch lol

    30. Totes McGoats Makes 18mil For 14ppg

      Haha Lance & Noah are the only two with a positive +/- tonight

      Nets are a team that will put up points with 2 PG’s starting and a good offensive coach like Atkinson. Their small ball lineups are athletic and they move the ball well. But they aren’t THIS good. If they are this much better than our Knicks, then we are in really bad shape. How is it that we aren’t able to score on them?

    31. ClashFan

      @36
      Well, Kanter and Beasley did not play, if you want more offense. This was definitely a bad game, but they are looking at a back to back tomorrow night. Plus, nothing wrong with losing lots of real games this year.

    32. dtrickey

      We’ve looked like the worst team in the league this preseason which is awesome

      Chicago have probably looked worse.

    33. Z-man

      I’m officially starting to worry about KP. It’s discouraging seeing him effectively defended by guys 6 inches shorter than him.

    34. dtrickey

      The Bulls are 2-2!

      I stand corrected. I only saw their Dallas result (which was pretty average). I didn’t realise they had won 2 since…….so yeah we are probably worse ha ha

    35. DS

      I’m officially starting to worry about KP. It’s discouraging seeing him effectively defended by guys 6 inches shorter than him.

      I was half paying attention but I think at one point, early on, I saw Jeremy Lin switch on him. KP had him one-on-one about 15 feet out and passed the ball. I said “uh-oh.”

    36. stratomatic loves this new Knicks team

      The offense wasn’t good enough last year, but the real problem was the defense and not the triangle. New management has stated they want to stress defense, but they added Hardaway, Kanter, Beasley & McDermott. That’s comical. It either means you are an idiots or just saying stupid stuff to appease fans.

    37. DS

      The offense wasn’t good enough last year, but the real problem was the defense and not the triangle. New management has stated they want to stress defense, but they added Hardaway, Kanter, Beasley & McDermott. That’s comical. It either means you are an idiots or just saying stupid stuff to appease fans.

      I would argue that management did not add most of those guys with any realistic hope of boosting the team’s future. Beasley is temporary filler. Kanter and McBuckets were what we could get in a ‘Melo dump… THJ, I agree, was not a good signing for a rebuild, though he does have some redeeming qualities.

    38. wetbandit

      They didn’t “add” Kanter or McDermott, they were somewhat-fair return for Melo.
      THJr was added, was a gross overpay, but the right type of move otherwise.
      Beasley is filler.
      Who were you planning for? Nerlens Noel?

    39. Donnie Walsh

      New management has stated they want to stress defense, but they added Hardaway, Kanter, Beasley & McDermott. That’s comical. It either means you are an idiots or just saying stupid stuff to appease fans.

      Is there a player that has been available them that is a plus defender (and at least NBA passable on the offensive end)?

      By “stress defense” it probably means “practice it”.

      I don’t think you really need to be a great defensive player to play decent defense in this league. If the 5 guys on the court care, that could be enough for a marked improvement.

    40. DRed

      The offense was cartoonishly awful last night. Porzingis, O’Quinn, Jack, Dotson, Thomas and XRM went a combined 10-41 and we were sloppy with the basketball. I think the Nets are going to be better than people think this year but it’s not because of their smothering defense.

    41. bobneptune

      I’m officially starting to worry about KP. It’s discouraging seeing him effectively defended by guys 6 inches shorter than him.

      What is discouraging about this is KP is almost exactly the same height and weight of Jabbar and Jabbar had no difficulty posting huge men like Willis, Wilt, Nate Thurmond, Wes Unseld, Walt Bellamy, et al on a nightly basis to become the greatest scorer ever. Had anyone tried to defend Jabbar with Jae Crowder, Jabbar would have scored 80 points a game on 80% shooting.

      KP will forever remain the little girl with the curl until he can learn a post game and force opponents out of that small line-up to defend him conventionally. He becomes a liability rather than a huge asset when defended that way.

      Only then is his 3 point ability an asset and he becomes a transcendent player. Until then he shoots the 3 ball as a mediocre small forward and can get a highlight reel put back occasionally on ESPN. A valuable player but nothing special.

      I don’t understand why this isn’t obvious.

    42. Bruno Almeida

      I don’t care much for KP developing a post game, specially when I think there at other issues that could be solved easier.

      The best case scenario for him has got to be something like Dirk Nowitzki production right? Looking at their stats side by side, prime Dirk was never really a great rebounder, passer or defender, similar to KP, but he shot between 7-9 FTA and 40%+ on 3s, while KP is nowhere near that level (3.8 and .350).

      My hopes are that moving to a more pick and roll based offense will give Porzingis the option of popping for easier shots on the perimeter and rolling to finish at the rim, drawing more fouls. That would be the next step in his career, then sure, go train with Hakeem in the summer after and come back with a post game.

    43. Brian Cronin

      I don’t think you really need to be a great defensive player to play decent defense in this league. If the 5 guys on the court care, that could be enough for a marked improvement.

      Van Gundy took over the Rockets, with the 14th ranked Defensive Rating and took them to the top five in his first year there, with almost an identical roster, so yeah, you can do wonders if you have a good defensive coach (and players willing to listen).

      That said, that was Jeff Van Gundy and not Jeff Hornacek and Kurt Rambis, so it might not translate here.

    44. bobneptune

      I don’t care much for KP developing a post game, specially when I think there at other issues that could be solved easier.

      The best case scenario for him has got to be something like Dirk Nowitzki production right? Looking at their stats side by side, prime Dirk was never really a great rebounder, passer or defender, similar to KP, but he shot between 7-9 FTA and 40%+ on 3s, while KP is nowhere near that level (3.8 and .350).

      My hopes are that moving to a more pick and roll based offense will give Porzingis the option of popping for easier shots on the perimeter and rolling to finish at the rim, drawing more fouls. That would be the next step in his career, then sure, go train with Hakeem in the summer after and come back with a post game.

      Thinking Kp is going to become Dirk is pretty silly at this point, They both entered the league at similar ages and Dirks ws/48 exploded from .040 to .132 to a stratospheric .221 his 22 yr old season while KP ‘s went from .102 to .100!

      Sure more PnP/PnR will help some but that doesn’t address the problem on the defensive end when he is chasing much quicker players around the perimeter, not rebounding and getting into foul trouble.

      He is supposed to be getting the other teams better players in foul trouble and without a post game he’ll be chasing 6’7″ wings forever.

    45. JK47

      If KP can’t figure out a way to get easy buckets, he’s not going to be a transcendent player. Seems to me they should be running constant pick and roll, pick and pop sets for him and discouraging iso play as much as possible. He’s bullshit as an iso player. Point guards can guard him in an iso situation one-on-one no problem.

      Anybody remember the baseball player Juan Samuel? Juan Samuel was a power-speed middle infielder who had a lot of skills on the surface. Problem with him was that the total package didn’t add up to a star player. He had SOME power– hit 28 HR in his best season– but it wasn’t elite power. He had lots of speed, routinely stole 30+ bases. But he’d also get caught stealing a lot, and didn’t get on base enough to hit leadoff. He was a second baseman, but a brutally awful defensive second baseman. They tried him in center field but he was even worse out there.

      I’m starting to worry that KP is a Juan Samuel. Shoots the three pretty well, but not elite-level well. Gets some blocked shots, but is not overall a monster defender. Seems too thin to play center. Doesn’t really rebound enough to give you value there. Not a good or creative passer. He looks great getting a putback dunk and sometimes his jumper is really wet, but he’s just not as useful as his reputation would suggest, at least not yet.

      I’m starting to become a skeptic.

    46. swiftandabundant

      Love him or hate him. you gotta accept the fact that KP is probably going to look like he’s regressing now that Melo is gone. Melo always drew the double team and took pressure off of KP. KP can figure it out but even Dirk didn’t have a player like Melo his first few years to take that pressure off of him. Hopefully Timmy Jr can be a guy who can provide that offense but don’t be surprised, even with added strength and experience, if it looks like KP has stagnated or regressed a bit the first part of the season. Melo took A LOT of pressure off of KP. Now he’s going to be the focus of the opposing team’s defense. I think he will figure it out but he had a buffer the first few years with Melo.

      We’re gonna lose a lot of games this year, especially early. And that’s ok cause we want the tank! But what we should hope for is that we improve as the season goes along. Hopefully our January/February record is better than our November/December record…and then hopefully we do the smart thing and pack it in in March for the tank. But if we start out 2-10, I would not be shocked. I just hope the fans and media do not panic and that the GM and front office doesn’t respond to that if they do. Its one thing for Perry now to say they are rebuilding but when the losses start to pile up and everyone is piling on the Knicks again and making fun of us yet another year, will they have the stomach to endure it and stick to the plan?

    47. Cock Jowles, #1 League-Average Superstar

      But being that the Knicks already had 2 2nd round picks and lots of forwards, it probably wasn’t a priority at the time.

      In other words, “Being that the Knicks had lots of mediocre players, drafting a potentially-good player wasn’t a priority at the time.”

    48. DRed

      Van Gundy took over the Rockets, with the 14th ranked Defensive Rating and took them to the top five in his first year there, with almost an identical roster, so yeah, you can do wonders if you have a good defensive coach (and players willing to listen).

      But on the other hand, look at Minnesota last year. Thibs took over a largely stable team and took them from 27th in team defense to 26th. I don’t mean this as a knock on Thibs, really, because I don’t know how you get a team with that roster to play good defense, but to illustrate that you can’t just coach your way to a good defense with whoever.

    49. Frank

      KP definitely should be run through PNP/PNR a lot, but what the teams are doing now is just switching that. At that point, KP really needs to be able to bury PGs and wing players in the post. At the end of the day, he has 6+ inches on most of the dudes guarding him — he needs to be able to take advantage of the size mismatch, or else teams will switch all day long on him, leaving us either with a Ramon Sessions iso against a 4 or that KP mismatch.

      But seriously, this is all preseason and very small samples. Let’s see how the first couple months of the season go.

    50. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      KP looks a lot like a #2 or #3 option that’s being forced into the #1 role.

    51. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      The Knicks should start Noah, KP, Thomas, Baker and Nitti. That would be a good defensive ream. They’ll lose 95-80 instead.

    52. ess-dog

      Well said JK, KP is starting to look like a jack of all trades/master of none player. His 3pt shooting has never been close to elite and it’s not like he runs the floor exceptionally. As for his pnr potential, you need a decent point guard to do that. Maybe it will be with Frank or with the completely average and overpaid TH2, but those guys are hopefully working on that every day. It will take a year to become a good look.

    53. Cock Jowles, #1 League-Average Superstar

      Love him or hate him. you gotta accept the fact that KP is probably going to look like he’s regressing now that Melo is gone. Melo always drew the double team and took pressure off of KP.

      He always drew the double team? The fuck team were you watching last year?

      You gotta check your facts, bro. Carmelo is not Steph Curry. If anything, having wings that slash, screen and distribute would help him get better looks.

      Unfortunately, he’s spent the last two years emulating Carmelo’s ISO game, not realizing that some variation of a motion offense has won championships in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. (2016 was an outlier because LeBron James is an outlier.)

    54. 2FOR18, understands math

      I’m going to keep saying it. KP needs to play center. Wtf is the point in being 7 ft 3 if you’re out on the perimeter and a mediocre shooter and a mediocre ball handler and a mediocre play maker/passer.
      He should be within 10-12 feet of the basket most of the time, putting up quick shots and getting to the line, with the occasional outside shot when he’s wide open.

    55. Jack Bauer

      @53 well said. I agree, get inside, use your height/length, and get some easy buckets big fella. It shouldn’t be that hard at his size. It could also cause the defense to collapse at some point opening things up on the perimeter for good looks. It seems so simple, but with this team everything has to be the hard way….

    56. 2FOR18, understands math

      @66. He keeps posting that narrative over and over.
      I’m willing to wager that if you look up the numbers, KP was more efficient on higher useage last year with melo off the court. Unfortunately, I do not know how to look that up.

    57. er

      “I’m willing to wager that if you look up the numbers, KP was more efficient on higher useage last year with melo off the court. Unfortunately, I do not know how to look that up.”

      Solid arguement.

    58. DRed

      In the bits of the euro tournament I saw it seemed like KP was used as a roll man more often than he was on the Knicks, but that could just be some sort of highlights bias. Anyone who watched all the games have an opinion?

    59. ess-dog

      I buy the argument that you want to spare KP some beatings at center while he’s still young and lithe, but I do think he’ll see time at center this year because we’ll have to play smaller lineups a lot and he needs to stay on the court. We’ll probably see a lot of Beasley/KP up front, which is basically Melo/KP lol but whatever.

    60. ess-dog

      And yeah, Sessions is known as a pretty good pick and roll PG, so they should maybe try that? But hey, I’m no NBA coach…

    61. er

      KP definitely needs to be at the rim on offense AND defense. Whether it PnR or slashing without the ball, that’s what needs to be done. He needs to work on his post game and make the perimeter game a luxury

    62. swiftandabundant

      @ 66 – I keep posting that narrative over and over? Its literally the first time I’ve posted something to that effect. We get it. Melo is the worst NBA player ever!

      All I’m saying is that Melo carried a big part of the offensive load KP’s first two seasons. And he was the focus of the opposing team’s defense. Jowles, maybe you are right and he didn’t always draw a double team but he was still the primary person the opposing team was trying to stop. Now he is gone. We’re gonna have better ball movement because of that but Frank is a rookie and Sessions is a journeyman PG, so while the ball movement might be better with Melo gone, the opposing team’s defense’s are gonna game plan for KP first and foremost (maybe Timmy and KP equally). So KP is going to face a lot more pressure. That is all I’m trying to say. Its gonna look like KP is stagnating or even regressing a bit while he figures out being the number one option for this team. And he may not, in the long run, be our number one option but this experience will be good for him nonetheless.

      I’m glad Melo is gone. It was past time. But he did act as a buffer for KP his first few years here and KP now has to adjust to that. That is the only point I was trying to make.

    63. d-mar

      Normally, I put little stock in what happens in preseason games. Coaches are experimenting with lineups, and players are getting minutes that may not even be on the team on opening night.

      But watching a little of that Nets game last night, it was apparent that one team was committed to defense and the other wasn’t. I don’t know if that’s coaching or personnel, but it was glaring. And to top it off, we’re totally out of sync on offense. It seems like we always end possessions with the ball in some player’s hands (like Kyle O’Quinn or Lance Thomas ) with the shot clock winding down, and good results do not usually ensue.

      It’s going to be a LONG season, but I guess for the tank that’s a good thing.

    64. ClashFan

      Among the Knicks’s many problems right now, I wonder if there might be a bit of a Derrick Rose Hangover Effect?

      It seems to me that both Sessions (especially) and Jack do try to get everybody involved, but when they drive to the hoop they often end up at a dead end and have to force up a shot (Jack in particular). Some of the guys seem to stop moving when they drive, perhaps b/c Rose last year would put up a shot 98% of the time when he drove. An exception to this would be the new guys like McD, who I’ve seen slashing a bit, but he’s also had limited minutes.

      I haven’t watched any replays to really look for this, just a feeling from watching most of the first two games live. So, I am a bit optimistic long term about the offense slowly getting better.

      I’m not optimistic about the D. Combine guys who just can’t physically guard their positions (Sessions and Jack, for example) with guys who just might be low IQ and never understand about position on the court and switching (Kanter and Beasley come to mind) suggests a deep problem.

      RE KP. In watching Euro, he also looked bad when iso-ing way out and trying to take his guy to the hoop. I didn’t see so much of it then, but he really needs to get away from that.

    65. ptmilo

      i actually thought the offensive disparity was even worse. we looked like the before picture in a public safety fire drill poster. Our main play was to have three guys wander near each other for 15 seconds in an existential reenactment of what it would be like to set an off ball screen but only metaphorically, then revert instead to a last second conventional not very spread PNR that ends in either a KOQ long 2 or jack/sessions chucking a “shit I’ve almost landed” pass toward a random spot on the perimeter. the nets looked like the fucking nutcracker by comparison.

    66. ClashFan

      And as for a Melo Hangover Effect, I don’t think it is a case of him drawing double teams as it is a case of him getting clearouts and Iso-ing so much, which also resulted in guys getting used to just standing around.

      Combining the Derrick Rose Hangover Effect and the Iso-Melo Hangover Effect, there’s lots of bad habits to work on breaking for everyone who was on the team last year.

      Yeah, the Nets passing looked crisp by comparison. If the Knicks don’t gradually get better on offense, that’ll be an indictment of Hornacek.

    67. DRed

      If you had a Porzingis/O’Quinn (maybe even Billy) front court with Baker/Frank in the back court I think the defense could be okay. At the 3 I guess you’d play either Lee or Timmy. God only knows what we’ll do instead of that. Hopefully Jack gets cut, but with Beasley, Kuz, Sessions, Kanter & McDermott we have a lot of guys who can’t play any sort of defense at all on the team. And you can probably put Lance in that group too, although at least he tries.

    68. ClashFan

      Yeah, the hope from some improvement on D will have to come from KP, Willy, Frank, and Ron.

      THJ seems willing and tries hard, but he seems a bit klutzy at times. Sessions and Jack just can’t stay in front of any reasonably quick guard, and Kanter/Beasley just look clueless to me.

      Lots of guys seem to sag in and leave shooters open, while KP runs around trying to cover for everyone. So much that I wonder if it is part of the scheme.

    69. chrisk06811

      My distracted thought (go Yankees) from last night’s game……why does O’Quinn look like the only one trying (and Billy offensive glass, sometimes)?

    70. 2FOR18, understands math

      @77 my apologies. Someone has been posting that narrative and I assumed it was you when I saw your post.

    71. ClashFan

      @84
      Willy worked his ass off last night. Noah also in his cameo.

      Not to make excuses, but maybe the relentless pace of the the Nets wore guys down quickly. Several guys who are likely to be in the rotation sat out last night or had limited minutes. Secondly, some guys are just slow versus the opposition. Sessions and Jack, for example, just can’t stay with fairly quick guards.

      Tonight might be even worse, as it is the second game in a back to back. I guess that Kanter and Beasley will see major minutes tonight, and that should add to the defensive woes.

    72. Owen

      My major takeaway form watching KP is that he still loves the cheap foul.

      He looked really good though.

    73. Nick C.

      http://nypost.com/2017/10/09/hot-mic-catches-msg-announcers-ripping-kristaps-porzingis/

      Welcome to the jungle KP.

      He kinda brought it on himself, with the skipping the exit meeting, staying in Latvia to train, posting training clips on social media, and playing in the Eurochampionships or whatever they were contrary to managment’s wishes. You can’t have it both ways. If you are going to act as if you are above certain requests then you can’t get to avoid being held to a higher standard.

    74. ptmilo

      it’s the rare pundit who can sound just as dumb shooting it straight than they do as a sycophant.

    75. Frank

      I still say to start Noah, KP, Lee, Hardaway, Ntilikina. If there’s a big wing (like Lebron), then start Lance Thomas instead of Lee.
      Put your best defensive lineup on the floor.
      Noah needs to be surrounded by shooters, so having 4 3 point threats helps.

      Relegate your poor defenders to 2nd unit where they’ll play against less potent offensive threats.

      I’ve barely watched any of these games – but have noticed that THJ has 5 TOs in each of the last 2 games. Is he being tasked to run the offense like a PG (while Baker/Frank are out), or is he just throwing the ball around?

    76. ess-dog

      TH2 sees himself as a “playmaker” in the Kobe mold, so he handles it a lot and coughs it up too. He should have a short leash with turnovers and defense IMO, but again: I’m no coach.

    77. ClashFan

      For starters, I’m pulling for Willy, KP, THJ, Lee, and Frank. Lee needs to be showcased. I’d limit Frank to about 20 min. per game for awhile, and maybe slowly up it later if all goes well; it’s going to be a long, grueling season for him.

      First off the bench: Sessions, Ron, Kanter, McD, OQ, Kuz. Kanter and/or OQ needs to be dealt.

      Fringe: Beasley, Noah, LT, Dotson (for awhile until a trade can free up some time).

      Hopefully two or three guys can be packaged for a nice asset (young player with upside or a pick or two). A good young 3 would be nice.

    78. danvt

      I think New Jersey had like 14 steals at half time. Hard to keep the ball out of your basket when you’re giving it up so consistently. Defense was bad but that skews how we should view the base defense. I wish FN was healthy enough because that job is his for the taking.

      This was a preseason game. We’ve unfortunately seen a lot of efforts like this in the regular season but you gotta remember it’s a work in progress. It was ugly and disheartening. I can’t say I’m high on the team or any individual right now but it’s not quite time to get on a ledge after three preseason games. Or to be happy that we’re heading to a sub 20 win season if you’re on the tank brigade.

    79. Brian Cronin

      But on the other hand, look at Minnesota last year. Thibs took over a largely stable team and took them from 27th in team defense to 26th. I don’t mean this as a knock on Thibs, really, because I don’t know how you get a team with that roster to play good defense, but to illustrate that you can’t just coach your way to a good defense with whoever.

      Oh, definitely, that’s why I mentioned you needed players who would listen. But then again, perhaps some coaches are better at getting players to buy in? Van Gundy had Glen Rice playing defense here, remember?

    80. iserp

      Embiid just got 5 years, 148 Mill.

      They’re nuts, they risk nothing by waiting till the summer, and then offering him that same contract, and they could’ve gathered one year more of information about Embiid’s knees.

    81. DRed

      Maybe there are more details unreported on that contract, but a straight extension is pretty weird.

    82. JK47

      Starters: Sessions, Hardaway, Lee, Porzingis, Hernangomez

      Primary reserves: Ntilikina, McDermott, Kanter, Noah, O’Quinn

      Fighting for playing time: Thomas, Baker, Beasley, Kuzminskas, Dotson, Jack, whatever other scrubs

    83. Jack Bauer

      The Rockets will put up 120 points tonight on the Knicks “defense” without breaking a sweat

    84. ClashFan

      @104
      Ah, breaking a sweat. Brings back memories from a couple of years ago of reub complaining ad nauseum that starters should not be taken out until “sweating profusely.”

      I guess that means that Houston should not ever take out their starters if they can put up 120 without breaking a sweat!
      :-)

    85. ClashFan

      @106
      Yup, when Phil was a genius with lots of rings. Rose was a “winner.” And Kevin Seraphin was gonna be great because he had an “NBA body.”

      Nostalgia.

    86. ClashFan

      35-21 at the end of the quarter. Rockets opened up 5-5 from three, Knicks fought back, but then a 12-0 run to end the quarter with the Knicks bricking shot after shot.

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    88. ClashFan

      Watching the Rockets hit a number of 27 footers makes me wonder how many more years before shots from 30 feet start becoming more common.

      The good news is the Knicks are playing hard; they’re just outgunned.

    89. ClashFan

      FWIW, some pretty wild +/- numbers through three quarters.

      LT is -31 in 17 minutes.
      THJ is -26 in 24 minutes.
      Baker is -17 in 11 minutes.
      OQ is -16 in 16 minutes.

      Of course, the team is -20.

    90. Brian Cronin

      Why did Lance Thomas start? is it his birthday?

      Remember when Larry Brown would start guys depending on if it was near their hometown?

    91. bockadoo

      17 for Dotson. Do we have the makings of a solid rotation player here? Defense, rebounds and can shoot…

    92. ess-dog

      That was putrid. Dotson and Beasley are the only guys who looked like real athletes. Hardaway can shoot but he just plays dumb. Kanter can’t guard anything. Idk who you start on this team. Lee doesn’t bring anything. Ugh.

    93. d-mar

      LOL at Harden still in there in garbage time.

      D’Antoni must really hate the Knicks, coaches never put their starters back in at the end of preseason games.

    94. Cock Jowles, #1 League-Average Superstar

      no quantum physics discussion please, but Girardi deserves to be fired if they lose G5

      hot take

    95. GoNyGoNyGo

      I missed the Knicks game (good excuse, i just got back from Yankee Stadium). I heard about D’Antoni and Harden. While I didn’t see it, I can’t conceive of a legit excuse for such a low-class act.

    96. GoNyGoNyGo

      @127 – That’s the kind of thing that one says about Knick coaches. Those are the Yankees. Girardi comes back no matter what.

    97. ClashFan

      @128
      There was a minor scuffle between Harden and Jack (double T’s). Also, Harden seemed to be trying to embarrass Ron, esp. late.

      Who knows what was being said on court by whom. IIRC, Dantoni did bring 4 of his 5 starters back out on the court about midway through the 4th in a blowout, and Harden remained in until the end.

    98. Clyde's suit

      The Knicks are gonna be AWFUL! They have one of the worst collections of backcourt talent I’ve had the displeasure of watching. Ron is not good at basketball. Sessions in meh, Jack is washed and that leaves poor, young Frankie to carry our hopes for anything resembling decent backcourt play.
      Kanter is even worse at defense than advertised. Wow!
      Willie looks decent.
      KP…I’m reserving judgment..for now.
      Bease has some talent and so does Dotson.
      McBuckets needs better guard play than we can offer to flourish.
      Noah…still tryin’
      Lance really sucks. Why did I think he was decent a couple of years ago…What happened to this guy?
      Kyle I feel bad for this dude. I hope he gets traded to a decent team.

      Anyway, the posters who had been crying out for a full on tanktastic season will get there wish. I hope and pray that whoever we get to draft will make up for the eyesore of a season we are about to endure.

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