The David Fizdale Coaching Death Watch Is Over

This team doesn’t make any sense. Why would you fire David Fizdale now? They even let him talk to the media about the Knicks’ next game tomorrow night before they fired him! How incompetent are these people?

The only thing that we can hope for now is that whoever Steve Mills gets his terrible decision-making fingers over will be so bad that James Dolan will finally realize, “Huh, the one constant in all of this awfulness has been Steve Mills.”

Get this – the only good seasons the Knicks have had in the past 20 years just “happened” to be the season where Steve Mills wasn’t employed by James Dolan! It’s almost certainly a coincidence, seeing as how Mills was only in charge of MSG back in the day and not the Knicks, but still!

I liked the bit the other day that “If Fizdale goes, he’s taking Keith Smart with him.” Turned out to be true, but, well, how hilariously weak is that as a threat? “No, not the team shooting coach who ruined everyone’s shooting! Not him!”

I hate that Mark Jackson’s name is trending on Twitter. Please, for the love of all that is good and decent, do not subject us to Mark Jackson.

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87 thoughts to “The David Fizdale Coaching Death Watch Is Over”

  1. Mark Jackson feels like our destiny. Like the Final Boss we have to confront before we exit the dungeon.

    The tea leaves readers who called Pills and Dolan walking out last night as the end of the road have to be feeling good about themselves.

  2. Ian Begley’s Twitter

    Worth noting: after discussion w/owner James Dolan earlier this month, Steve Mills and Knicks execs came away with the impression that they would be fine if team showed progress. Based on that, it would seem NYK needs to win some games under the interim for Mills & Co. to be safe

    Knicks schedule:

    Pacers
    @ Blazers
    @ Warriors
    @ Kings
    @ Nuggets
    Hawks
    @ Heat
    Bucks
    Wizards
    @Nets

    They are going to go like 3-7 and Mills will say “see, there’s improvement”.

  3. They are going to go like 3-7 and Mills will say “see, there’s improvement”.

    And Dolan’s probably dumb enough to buy it.

    Ugh, I hate that I have to root hard for, like, 1-9. Fuck, there are a lot of winnable games in that stretch (Hawks, Warriors, Wizards).

  4. the team will probably improve…. if elf is back to his old self i think this offense starts looking better… it still probably won’t be good but it’ll be better….

    i don’t think there’s any way… unless we magically get over 30 wins… that mills and perry will survive this…. them firing fiz this early is a clear sign they are in trouble….

  5. Ugh, I hate that I have to root hard for, like, 1-9. Fuck, there are a lot of winnable games in that stretch (Hawks, Warriors, Wizards).

    I was depressed when I saw the schedule. I wouldn’t put it past Mills to have realized that the next 11 games may be the easiest stretch of the season and to have perfectly timed the firing of Fitz.

    Time for Mitch to foul out in the first quarter of every game.

    The silver lining is that the Knicks may go 0-10 in the following 10 games.

  6. Feels like most of what there is to be said has already been said since we knew this day was coming for a while. He had absolute trash rosters to work with in both his seasons and still did more than enough to convince absolutely everyone that he wasn’t the right man for the job. We watched him coach ~100 games and you really couldn’t even begin to say what it is he stands for as a head coach. Is he offensive minded? Defensive minded? Does he want his teams to play fast or slow? What are his principles on offense? Defense? Even very, very bad teams can be capable of answering these questions if they have good coaches although in all the cases people will cite there was also a competent organizational structure in place and the rosters generally made sense. He absolutely deserved to be fired and yet firing him solves absolutely nothing.

    Anyway on to the next one I guess.

  7. Dead man walking. That’s what Fiz has been since that Mills/Perry news conference. I’m not apologizing for Fizdale but once that took place, his fate was sealed. The players gave up on him and I have no doubt that they stopped playing for him. There was nothing he could do after that to turn the page.

    Fiz failed. He wasn’t qualified to coach a young team. But who is? Who’s next? Is there a human alive that can change this team? I really don’t know.

  8. Of course when they finally fire him it’s in the middle of one of our best off topic threads.

    When all this madness dies down, I want to know what turned up in all your spotify best of the decade playlists.

  9. the good news is they already did the press conference. already getting more efficient. i remember when i could at least feign enthusiasm when we fired a bad coach.

  10. Mark Jackson feels like our destiny. Like the Final Boss we have to confront before we exit the dungeon.

    The worst thing about Mark Jackson is he costs money. You can’t bring him in to be an interim. So if he takes the job, it’s a multi-year deal, and then means Mills & Perry are sticking around.

    The best thing about Mike Miller is that it means him, Mills, & Perry will likely all be gone by the summer.

  11. will be interesting to see if/what changes Miller or Sullivan make. Have to think they’re going to do something different. Like the immortal Phil Connors said, anything different is good.

    (Groundhog Day for you people too young to have watched it!)

  12. I say let Steve Mills coach the team with an ultimatum like Dolan did to Isiah.

    I was thinking about that the other day. If the league hadn’t stepped in and forced Dolan to hire Walsh, he wasn’t even prepared to let Isiah go back then! Dolan is bizarrely loyal to “his guys.”

  13. I would highly doubt that Dolan will give Mills and Perry the opportunity to hire a head coach right now.
    First of all, they’re hopefully gone at the end of the year. Second, any head coach will want to hire his own staff, and that’s just not going to happen mid-season.

  14. Wait….

    Was it really as sinister as “we’ll fire him as soon as Payton comes back so that all the improvement that comes from having a real PG will be attributed to the coach and us?”

    I think it was.

  15. With 9 days before FA can get traded, how much worse is this team going to be? I expect a wholesale gutting of the roster and we’ll be back to square 1.

  16. Was it really as sinister as “we’ll fire him as soon as Payton comes back so that all the improvement that comes from having a real PG will be attributed to the coach and us?”

    I think it was.

    I put no amount of palace intrigue beyond Mills but they did just lose consecutive games by ~40 points to fall to 4-18 and have lost eight straight. There’s an Occam’s Razor explanation here that I think we’d be foolish to overlook.

  17. When all this madness dies down, I want to know what turned up in all your spotify best of the decade playlists.

    Well the madness won’t end, but I have been slowly thinking about my favorite albums of the decade so here’s my long list (in alphabetical order):

    Arcade Fire – The Suburbs
    Autre Ne Veut – Anxiety
    Beach House – Bloom
    Bon Iver – Bon Iver, Bon Iver
    Broken Social Scene – Forgiveness Rock Record
    Carly Rae Jepsen – Emotion
    Cortney Barnett – Sometimes I Sit And Think…
    D’Angelo – Black Messiah
    David Bowie – Blackstar
    Fiona Apple – The Idler Wheel…
    Frank Ocean – Blonde
    Grimes – Art Angels
    Hop Along – Painted Shut
    Kacey Musgraves – The Golden Hour
    Kanye West – MBDTF
    Kendrick Lamar – To Pimp a Butterfly (though you could pick any one, really)
    Lana Del Rey – Norman Fucking Rockwell
    LCD Soundsystem – American Dream
    Los Campesinos! – Romance is Boring
    Lykke Li – Wounded Rhymes
    My Bloody Valentine – mbv
    The National – Sleep Well Beast
    Radiohead – A Moon Shaped Pool
    Sharon Van Etten – Are We There?
    Solance – A Seat at the Table
    St. Vincent – Strange Mercy
    Sufjan Stevens – Carrie and Lowell
    Tame Impala – Lonerism
    Vampire Weekend – Modern Vampires Of The City
    Wilco – The Whole Love

  18. With 9 days before FA can get traded, how much worse is this team going to be? I expect a wholesale gutting of the roster and we’ll be back to square 1.

    A wholesale gutting of the roster will hopefully leave them with more assets than they typically have, so that’s something! Morris really should be able to net them a first round pick.

  19. What the fuck? This Woj bomb is absurd. “Knicks assistants Mike Miller and Pat Sullivan are candidates to become interim head coach, league sources tell @ramonashelburne and me.”

    HOW DID THEY NOT KNOW WHO THE NEXT COACH WOULD BE BEFORE THEY FIRED FIZDALE?!

  20. How is the roster going to be gutted when they have like, two above-average players, one of which (Mitch) is unlikely to be traded?

  21. Woj’s article seems to suggest it’s probably miller:

    Assistant coach Mike Miller is a strong possibility to become interim coach, with Pat Sullivan as a possible candidate too, league sources told Ramona Shelburne.

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28238796/sources-knicks-fire-david-fizdale-eastern-conference-worst-4-18-mark

    it’d be nice to see what miller can do but it’s probably not gonna change much… this is why midseason firings suck… because you’re picking from a bunch of guys on the bench that also led to the sucking also…

  22. It is interesting, with Woj reporting the story, to note that Woj and Perry are thisclose. Remember Woj talking about how good the Knicks’ offseason was?

  23. Nah Dolan will ride out an assistant coach this year and then start over next spring.

    We all knew this was coming. Soon enough it will be Mills/Perry. I feel a bit bad for Perry. Not that he was very good, but he was much better than Mills/Fiz and probably never got to do his job cleanly with Mills always suggesting stupid shit.

    At least now Miller or whoever can play the kids without guilt, and the vets can be dispersed as best they can be.

    But I still want that top-5 pick, dammit.

  24. It is hilarious that they didn’t announce the interim immediately as if Fiz was some bleeding leg that had to be immediately amputated…..

  25. By the way, it is funny to look back and when they promoted Mike Miller and we all thought, “Huh, sure seems a lot like when they added Mike Woodson to the bench,” right?

  26. How is the roster going to be gutted when they have like, two above-average players, one of which (Mitch) is unlikely to be traded?

    I know that at least some of you will disagree, but if I ran this team, I would look to keep and re-up some of the vets (orris and Taj are good examples) to create some sort of foundation. Without a foundation, we’re running on a treadmill and getting nowhere. You can’t just keep trading for picks.

    Alas, Dolan doesn’t listen to me so we’re getting set back further.

  27. Coaches get fired all the time without a hc in the wings

    Mid-season, at the start of a west coast road trip? You sure?

  28. it’d be nice to see what miller can do but it’s probably not gonna change much… this is why midseason firings suck… because you’re picking from a bunch of guys on the bench that also led to the sucking also…

    It’s also just logistically hard. There isn’t a lot of practice time once the season is in full swing.

    On the other hand I do think there’s some potential low hanging fruit in terms of playing smaller and going to a more standard style. Start Payton-Frank-RJ-Morris-Mitch and start every posession with a spread PnR and this would look like a normal-ish NBA team. It’s even possible to envision that being fairly entertaining. You can’t really play that style all the time because you have a pretty severe lack of wings, but DSJ-Trier/Ellington-Knox-Portis-Randle as a 2nd unit captures some of the same flavor. It won’t make the team good in large part because the PGs aren’t good enough to play that way but they can’t be much worse on offense and it would at least be an identifiable style that doesn’t look twenty years out of date.

  29. i think we can start to worry that if mills/perry are concerned enough to pull the trigger on their own hire this quickly, they might try some obscene win-now flailing before the deadline. i know this sounds ridiculous with a 4-18 team. but ridiculous is usually the exact thing to worry about in this part of town.

  30. I feel a bit bad for Perry. Not that he was very good, but he was much better than Mills/Fiz and probably never got to do his job cleanly with Mills always suggesting stupid shit.

    I kind of feel like he doesn’t suck. It strikes me that Mills makes the macro decisions and it’s Perry’s job to execute them.

    Our trades are good, for instance. It feels like Perry is in charge of that. Mills may say we’re getting rid of Porzingis, but Perry is the guy who goes out and gets a package with two first round picks in it.

  31. @38 – my point is that one of the biggest issues is continuity.

    The 2018-19 team:
    Starters game 1: Frank Ntilikina, Tim Hardaway, Enes Kanter, Trey Burke, Lance Thomas
    Bench game 1: Ron Baker, Allonzo Trier, Kevin Knox, Mario Hezonja, Noah Vonleh, Mitchell Robinson, Courtney Lee, Damyean Dotson
    Inj: Kristaps Porzingis (inj)

    5 players returned this year. All very young. Great way to build team chemistry.

  32. i think we can start to worry that if mills/perry are concerned enough to pull the trigger on their own hire this quickly, they might try some obscene win-now flailing before the deadline. i know this sounds ridiculous with a 4-18 team. but ridiculous is usually the exact thing to worry about in this part of town.

    Like when Phil was in a similar position back in 2014-15, I think that the record is bad enough that even their worst impulses won’t be acted on.

  33. Does anyone have any reasoning for why they waited until so late in the day / didn’t do this last night? Just to try to bury the news (Friday afternoon being a known news dead zone)? Trying to get something lined up with a potential successor? Just general incompetence? It’s legitimately weird that they had Fiz run practice this morning when it could have been the interim guy. I mean that would have required them settling on an interim guy but just seems odd.

  34. my point is that one of the biggest issues is continuity.

    The continuity can be the young guys- Mitch, Barrett, etc. and that can start now. The problem Mills/Perry made is that they tried, moronically, to skip ahead in the rebuilding process due to their obvious promise to Dolan that they’d be major players in the free agent market. Continuity is fine, but it’s the continuity from now with the young guys, not “Keep Taj Gibson around.”

  35. On Twitter, I noted that this is one of the more embarrassing ways that you could handle firing a coach, and people kept arguing other coaching fires were worse. But, like, “one of the more embarrassing” is right there in what I said, no?

    Also, someone argued them firing Horny when their flight landed at 3am after the last game of the 2017-18 season was worse than this. That doesn’t make any sense to me.

  36. Just a reminder, we didn’t just end up with this roster, “the front office zoomed” to acquire these pieces.

    And their only really good addition came when one of the pieces they “zoomed” to acquire turned out to be hurt, freeing up money to sign Marcus Morris!

  37. @47 – Brian, turn-over should not be more than 50% of your roster – ever. A smart GM would retail 2/3 of this putrid team, and add a pick or two.
    Landing in the lottery for 2 straight decades has led the Knicks to this.
    Build with a mix of kids and vets.

  38. Also, someone argued them firing Horny when their flight landed at 3am after the last game of the 2017-18 season was worse than this. That doesn’t make any sense to me.

    That seems like the right way to do it to me. Like it sucks to get fired at 3am (probably? at least you’re in NY so the bars are still open) but NBA schedules are weird and that’s the end of their day. You can’t fire him before the flight without making things pretty awkward, and you don’t want him coming in to coach practice the next morning so there’s kind of an inescapable logic there.

  39. Brian, turn-over should not be more than 50% of your roster – ever. A smart GM would retail 2/3 of this putrid team, and add a pick or two.
    Landing in the lottery for 2 straight decades has led the Knicks to this.
    Build with a mix of kids and vets.

    The problem was them adding a bunch of stupid players one one-year deals to the team the year before and then repeating the same thing this year. They should be having younger guys on longer term deals, agreed. So they can start that now. Saying, “We need continuity, so we have to extend whatever mediocre guy they happened to sign this year to do so” is asinine.

  40. That seems like the right way to do it to me.

    Right? It just seemed odd. Like, Willie Randolph’s 3am firing during a West Coast trip when the Mets won their game that night? Okay, that’s definitely worse. But Horny’s firing seemed downright normal.

  41. I didn’t think Randle would be this bad and legitimately saw him as one of the better pickups available after the superstar shuffling. His age arguably made Randle one of the better Knicks fits. Didn’t know what to make of Brogdon because he didn’t really get a chance to show his skills with Giannis running the offense.

    I don’t hate the Payton pickup either. Hopefully he gets healthy enough to play at least decent.

    Bullock is another player I liked, but…

    I didn’t necessarily think these guys would be stellar, except Randle, but seems like they should have been able to cobble a decent team together.

    #1 for chances to improve the offense is putting Randle in situations to succeed instead of letting him high-dribble-spin into 5 defenders. Let him cut, roll, etc. Payton back should help it as well.

    For those saying Miller ran the triangle in the G-League. The triangle may not be a horrible option since we can’t shoot anyway. Having a roster full of PF and what not. I’m not a fan of the triangle, but this team clearly isn’t made for the modern NBA either (or any NBA).

  42. I just want a coach who will yell at these coddled millionaires until spittle flies in their faces. At least until they win a few games.

    Also: can they maybe go ahead and fire Portis too?

  43. Saying, “We need continuity, so we have to extend whatever mediocre guy they happened to sign this year to do so” is asinine.

    Yeah but maybe just recognizing that Kornet is at least as good but probably better than Portis for 1/100th of the price is the move to make… and it offers continuity to boot!

  44. Does anyone have any reasoning for why they waited until so late in the day / didn’t do this last night?

    Dolan asked Mills what they were saying on the knicks blogs today, and Mills reported back that they were talking about the top 50 TV shows of the past decade, so Dolan fired Fiz.

  45. Yeah but maybe just recognizing that Kornet is at least as good but probably better than Portis for 1/100th of the price is the move to make… and it offers continuity to boot!

    Man, did I hate that move then and I hate it even more now and I wasn’t even much of a Kornet fan. And Kornet doesn’t even really play for the Bulls (he is another one of those moves where it seems like the GM didn’t even check with the coach, “So, will you play this guy? No? Shit, I should have asked before we signed him”).

  46. You should have high roster turnover if your roster sucks. Continuity ain’t gonna make bad veteran players good.

    The thing is, you should should not employ bad veteran players under most circumstances, and you definitely shouldn’t when you’re a million miles away from contention.

  47. talent matters more than continuity…. continuity is good when you have talent… when you don’t have talent… continuity sucks….

    i mean the lakers turned over their whole roster in two years… and look where they are now…

    go get good players… once you do that you can start to think about who can stick around…. we signed lance thomas to a long term contract for the sake of continuity… that’s not a winning move…

  48. Goofy Adam’s apple: “Sorry, you’re not worth the minimum.”

    Crazy eyes: “PLEASE TAKE 18 MILLION DOLLARS AS A SHOW OF RESPECT!”

  49. You should have high roster turnover if your roster sucks. Continuity ain’t gonna make bad veteran players good.

    One of the underrated aspects of the Process Sixers was that they defied the whole “you need a veteran presence to help the young guys.” Whoops, apparently you don’t actually.

  50. Does anyone have any reasoning for why they waited until so late in the day

    There doesn’t have to be any particular reason. Personnel moves in a corporation take time to physically do. You have to have internal discussions and need approvals, HR has to do systems stuff, you have sit down with Fizdale and Smart and let them know. Then you can announce it publicly. My experience in management suggests to me this happened as quickly as it could after last nights game.

    I also think there is no good way to fire someone. Of course you don’t want him or her to hear about from a third party, but other than doing that, no matter how you do it, it’s always going to seem to someone that it was done badly.

  51. Andrew Wiggins looks like an NBA player these days. He’s young enough to convince Dolan that we can add a young star for nothing but expirings (you know Minnesota’s POBO, a Morey disciple, is dying to move Wiggins at the first opportunity), and these guys are desperate enough.

    Morris, Portis, and Dallas’ unprotected pick for Andrew Wiggins. I’m afraid.

    Other than that, Mike Miller can actually get the full time gig if he can get some of the young guys to play to their potential. A LOT of the this team’s problems disappear if Payton stays healthy and Mitch stops fouling. Between Mitch, Morris, Barrett, Ntilikina, and Payton the Knicks have a good defensive line up they can stick to. The rotation going forward should be Payton, Ntilikina, Barrett, Morris, Robinson, Randle, Trier, and Gibson with sprinkles of Knox, Smith Jr, and Ellington as they earn the time. I’m hopeful Mike Miller will prioritize young guys and give Julius Randle the Kanter treatment.

  52. I didn’t necessarily think these guys would be stellar, except Randle, but seems like they should have been able to cobble a decent team together.

    I think a big part of the problem (which is on both the coach and the front office) is that the signings only make sense the way you’ve looked at them, which is in a vacuum, taking each one individually and without any context of the other signings or the roster that existed.

    There was absolutely no sense of like “Okay we want to play like X and we currently have A, B and C which means that we need a player who can do Y and Z, therefore we’ve gone for Julius Randle”. It was just we had a lot of money to spend and here were five guys who were willing to take the money. This may be a structural problem with trying to build a whole team in FA in a single year where you don’t land any of the big guys. They never really knew what the had so they never really knew what they needed. But the resultant roster is totally lopsided which is itself an indictment of the signings.

  53. I am much more of a Knickerblogger fan than knick fan. Don’t we have a more interesting topic to discuss?

  54. Firing Fizdale is like cutting off your rotten toe when your leg has gangrene.

    Fizdale did not recognize or play the best possible lineups for two years straight and never ran an offense/defense that fit the personnel. He was not a good coach. I’m glad we are moving on from him. But honestly, for 2 years straight he was given a huge pile of shit for a team that did not fit together.

    Pop would have had a tough time putting together coherent lineups with this team.

    Mills is an obvious incompetent and has to go, but Perry is just as bad.

    People are cutting Perry some slack because he didn’t sink us with any terrible long term contracts, but he has brought in an endless stream of one way terrible basketball players that didn’t fit together. He ultimately traded KP for 2 non lottery picks that will probably net us a couple of 18 year old kids that will become good role players in 2028, a 3rd string PG, and stuck us with an extra 2 years of Noah’s contract instead of Lee and Noah simply dropping off this year.

    I’d add drafting Knox instead over Mikal Bridges to his resume, but some people say it was Fiz that pushed for that.

    To be honest, I’m also no enamored with the Randle deal. I’m a Randle fan, but he’s the 3rd option on a team with a stretch C (like KP) or he’s a backup C/PF. He’s not a primary option and not a good match at PF with Mitch. If I was in charge, he’d be the first guy I tried to trade because the contract is not good and Mitch isn’t going anywhere.

    The only good thing he did was draft Mitch and I’ve been told it was someone else that wanted him.

    Perry is a terrible “basketball” mind that just happens to not give out long term contracts. He’s bad!

    Mills, Perry, and everyone that Mills hired all have to go. We have to start fresh with a good basketball mind at the top hiring all his own people and then rebuild with the few nice pieces, space, and assets we have.

  55. I am much more of a Knickerblogger fan than knick fan. Don’t we have a more interesting topic to discuss?

    We did. And the Mills ruined it.

  56. Oh certainly the roster is lopsided, but I figured some players would work out and get signed longer term, a prolonged tryout of sorts.

    I wasn’t convinced that Randle couldn’t play with Mitch either.

    Of course I never really saw much footage of Randle before. Seems like a scout should have diagnosed it. Strat did.

    Most of my conclusions about Randle were based on his numbers, I don’t have the time or inclination to go through and watch games from other teams, so stats are what I have. Even then it seems like we should be able to use Randle more effectively than we are. Interested in seeing what a new coach can do with Randle.

  57. I can’t really disagree with anything Strat is saying in #73. I feel pretty much the same way. Yes, Fizdale was bad. The FO is also very bad. The 1+1 signings didn’t make sense to me at the time, and they don’t look good now. I hate to beat the dead horse some more but they really should have aggressively tried to park some bad contracts and pick up assets. Those trades were available. Instead they went in this inscrutable direction.

    I won’t miss Fiz, who was bad and who didn’t have any kind of identity as a coach other than “kill what you eat” or whatever that was.

    Now fire Mills and Perry! They suck!

  58. I know I shouldn’t pay attention to ESPN but Kendrick Perkins needs to be slapped. He’s like, “(Fiz) was set up to fail” and “I support you” Great, can’t wait until LBJ weighs in. They’re 4-18 and coming off back to back 40 point losses! Anyone and everyone deserves to be fired. I agree Mills/ Perry even more so and Dolan should face a fucking firing squad but Fiz as a victim? Really?

  59. Mike Miller is officially the interim head coach. I’m gonna go see if he has any interviews I can look at.

  60. Some part of me hopes the Knicks sign Jackson as the interim. I don’t think they’ll win another game with him this season, then we won’t have to worry about him anymore.

  61. Mike Miller is officially the interim head coach. I’m gonna go see if he has any interviews I can look at.

    Please link to any you find, I’m sure we’d all love to see some.

    Also, Twitter is going through the same confusion this board did a few threads ago. Lots of congratulations going to Mike Miller AKA LBJ’s shooting guard.

  62. Mike Miller’s college resume doesn’t seem that impressive, although he did make the tourney once with Southwest Texas (now Texas State). And his gleague success might have been talent driven. But also who cares? He at least has had recent success getting groups of young players to play well, I figure he’s worth a shot.

  63. Wow, did you know: Mike Woodson is the only Knicks coach to win a playoff series in the last 19 YEARS?

    That’s some futility.

  64. If Wiggins is the next move, I’m done forever. I know it’s idle speculation but it is so, so Knicksy.

  65. Knicks are so dumb yup but I really believed when I took the over. I was annoyed at a 30 win roster with the 9th pick but really thought that was a lock. This roster is not good but better than 4-18. Fizdale was truly horrible.

    Actually, it’s worked out well. Not that I’m not heart sick. I hate watching the team I’ve idolized since childhood get stomped night after night but we now have a chance to shed some pieces, pick up an impact player in the draft and make better FA decisions.

    It’s more that I’m tired of the same thoughts year after year. Seems all lotto teams get better but us.

    I agree that if they go all in on Andrew Wiggins and trade assets I’m gonna look for a new hobby

  66. Knicks are so dumb yup but I really believed when I took the over. I was annoyed at a 30 win roster with the 9th pick but really thought that was a lock. This roster is not good but better than 4-18. Fizdale was truly horrible.

    That’s why I always pick them to win in the 30s, because I am cynical that way.

    But yeah, honestly, this season could be a massive success if they trade Morris for a pick and then Dolan fires Mills and Perry and gets someone good to move forward. I bet they could even dump Randle without having to attach an asset to him if they wanted to.

    Here’s the thing – let’s say a miracle happens and Mills gets fired. What are the chances that his replacement won’t just be another Dolan lifer, like Allan Houston?

  67. How many coaches and executives are currently not working for the Knicks but are still being paid by them?

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