Sixers Trick Knicks Into Winning

The 76ers tricked the Knicks into beating them last night. And unfortunately for Knick fans, New York took the bait, hook, line, and sinker en route to a 98-91 victory. The win puts the Sixers within a game and a half of New York, for the coveted last spot in the league.

Philly started off the game literally giving the ball away. In the paint, Carter-Williams dribbled the ball much like a six year old touching a basketball for the first time, which allowed Galloway an easy steal. The new-ish Knicks guard attempted to give the ball back with a missed shot, but Louis Amundson foolishly rebounded it. His next shot was rejected by Aldemir and went out of bounds. Most likely the Sixers took the time before the inbound to remind each other that they needed New York to win. One second of play time later, Carmelo Anthony hit the game’s first shot.

I sat in front of my television & watched this entire game and this is what I learned: some human beings react to traumatic events with memory loss. It’s called dissociative amnesia and it’s real, because there is a WebMD page.

Much like a victim of assault, afterward I wondered why I lost my memory. I attempted to pick up the pieces, checking the box score and scanning for clues. I quickly focused on two items of data:

Spike Lee's Director's Cut
Spike Lee’s Director’s Cut

Jason Smith 32:07

Cole Aldrich DNP-Coach’s Decision

Despite being second on the team in minutes played, Jason Smith was tied for 4th in rebounds. New shooting guard Langston Galloway had more boards than the Knicks starting center. Oh wait another memory is coming back: Lance Thomas threw up a wild shot from about 6 feet away… Carter-Williams ankle breaking Hardaway who crashes into Amar’e… The pain! THE AGONY! Must go to my happy place. Wrong Lyrics Dolan — take me away!

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117 thoughts to “Sixers Trick Knicks Into Winning”

  1. Heavencent, did you really get 3rd runner up at Mr. Philippines 2011? If so, go away immediately, you’re raising too much the beauty level of this board.

  2. Assuming that the Knicks don’t get a top 3 pick (sucker that I am, I have bought into the 2 game winning streak hook, line and sinker and believe that the team is going to get on a real roll. OK, so maybe I’m not that dumb, but still…), how do people feel about Stanley Johnson? From what little I’ve seen of him, I think that he would be great (I especially liked one article that said that his upside was Ron Artest and floor was Trevor Ariza.)

  3. I like Stanley Johnson. I think the Garden would like him too. I’d say his upside is sane Ron Artest, which would be a very high ceiling at Artest’s peak.

  4. 40 minutes for Melo, so dumb. Hopefully the fact that Galloway looks like a player will help Phil realize that we should take more shots on guys like that instead of continuing to run out competent veteran retreads who aren’t doing anything but sabotaging our lottery balls. It’s going to be pretty hard to avoid passing Philly and Minnesota unless we actually smarten up about this.

  5. wow how did you know that?

    I am honestly same with all the people around here. I am a Knicks fan so pls don’t hate me. Though my story of liking the knicks was kinda weird. My favorite player is Penny and since he was traded to the knicks I became a knicks fan. :)

  6. Remember when it looked like Travis Wear was starting to play okay, and then we gave him only 8 minutes of time so we could play bum knee Superstar 40 minutes against our main tank rival?

  7. Heavencent, I was joking, you’re welcome! And I never hate on anyone. How I know about you, you ask me… Well, your nickname is linked to your Facebook profile ;-)

  8. @8

    While I like the fact that Fisher seems to have stabilized a bit his rotations, his personnel decisions are still baffling, much like the ones Phil is making. Nevertheless, since being critic about this regime seemingly doesn’t sit well with someone, I’ll stop here and will just root for a random opponent player every night. Yay Luke Ridnour!

  9. I guess it is trade or bust for Pablo since his contract is only partially guaranteed next year. If they waive him I believe the cap hit will be bumped to the full amount of the contract.

  10. Playing Melo 40 minutes is fucking stupid. I’m happy Fisher has stabilized a rotation, but there is no reason Melo should be playing that much against any team, let alone the Sixers sans Noel and Wroten.

    I like what Galloway’s doing so far. He’s the only guard that actually attacks the defense when it isn’t set and utilizes the mismatches and motion that the Triangle creates for players to exploit. He also has this amazing ability to fight over screens and not cry for a switch or just die on the pick. Get another couple of guards with the same attitude and a few bigs that can play out of the post and be healthy (sorry STAT) and this might actually look like an NBA team next year.

  11. I like what Galloway’s doing so far. He’s the only guard that actually attacks the defense when it isn’t set and utilizes the mismatches and motion that the Triangle creates for players to exploit. He also has this amazing ability to fight over screens and not cry for a switch or just die on the pick. Get another couple of guards with the same attitude and a few bigs that can play out of the post and be healthy (sorry STAT) and this might actually look like an NBA team next year.

    And that was my problem that I mentioned yesterday – that there seemed to be a few guys just like that (Seth Curry for the guard and James McAdoo for the power forward) heating up the D-League (not to mention Quincy Miller, an intriguing stretch four who can play the 3 and actually handle the ball, which sounds like it is perfect for the triangle) and the Knicks instead signed Amudson and Thomas to two more 10-day contracts!

  12. one trend that seems positive —

    Knicks 3PAr (ie. % of FGA that are 3 point attempts) by month:

    October – 18.9%
    November – 24.1%
    December – 24.5%
    January – 30.4%

    As a point of reference Houston leads the league in 3PAr at ~40%. Minny is last at 17.9%. ~27% seems about league-average.

    Seems likely this is on purpose ie. I’ve sort of noticed more action to screen defenders to open up 3 point looks.

  13. seems to be a few guys just like that (Seth Curry for the guard and James McAdoo for the power forward

    Yeah. McAdoo debuted for GS and played really well: 11 pts, 5 rebs, 1 block, 0 to, 4-5 shooting, in 12 mins.

  14. Yeah, sorry, I meant that they didn’t get him before GS got him (which was after they re-upped Amudson and Thomas, right?). That was definitely confusing. My bad!

  15. Trading Pablo seems like a bad idea.
    He’s the type of player you want around your young, inexperienced,players, especially PG’s
    . . . and he’s really good
    . . . and he’s really cheap.

    (I’m assuming he has one more year on his contract. If not, love ya Pablo, but good riddance)

  16. I’d also like to take a flyer on Datome. Detroit doesn’t want him, and he’s admittedly slow-footed, but his contract ends in 2015 and I think he could play the small-ball PF role for a few minutes.

  17. Pablo has 37 years. And he’s not playing. So, in the words of Sting… If you love somebody, set them free.

  18. The issue with guys like Prigs is if teams think you’re going to waive him, they won’t try to acquire him, even if they really do want him. Other teams know what the deal is with their opponents, ya know?

  19. Couldn’t we talk the Wizards into Carmelo Anthony?

    Melo for Nene, Pierce, and whatever draft picks we can squeeze? And then we can play Pierce 48 minutes a night as punishment for his career.

    Then we can see what kind of picks we can get for Nene & Pierce in the final years of their deals.

  20. It seems like the Wizards are pretty dead set on chasing Durant. Can’t imagine them wanting to load down their cap with Melo.

  21. “Hmmm…is Washington DC a city worthy enough for me to play there?”

    I don’t think Melo gets moved until the offseason, if ever (and I don’t think he is ever getting traded).

  22. Melo on a bum knee won’t be moved before December 15th. There’ll be an overload of bad contracts these summer.

  23. I don’t see much incentive to trade him now anyway. With the uncertainty over his health I don’t think you’ll get much, if any, more than you would this summer anyway. Seems like the smart play at this point is to shut him down for the year relatively soon, see where things shake out with the draft, assess what our realistic options are once free agency opens, and then decide whether trading him makes sense.

  24. It seems like the Wizards are pretty dead set on chasing Durant. Can’t imagine them wanting to load down their cap with Melo.

    Oh yeah.

  25. I don’t think Melo gets moved until the offseason, if ever (and I don’t think he is ever getting traded).

    Yeah, I was actually thinking this offseason. No way we trade him now.

    But after we strike out with Marc Gasol this summer, I think there will be a window.

  26. Melo – it’s about your brand – NYC=money (which you’ll still get, plus the trade kicker), DC=power. Now’s the time to build the next 30 years of your career. Do you really want to be just another talking suit on ESPN? No, you have so much more potential than that – now’s the time to rub shoulders with some political giants. How do you like the sound of “Senator Anthony”?

  27. Per the Post, Derek Fisher said ““We’re at a [place] now with our season, we’re looking at some of our younger guys but Pablo’s not out of the fold,”. I think he’s telling the truth; Knicks management thinks Pablo is good, but they do actually want to play young players instead to see what they can do. I love watching Pablo play, but I can’t actually disagree with this strategy. It means Pable should be on a team that needs help now. I have to say that as a long time and long suffering Knicks’ fan, this attitude on the part of Knicks’ management is totally mind-boggling.

  28. I don’t like essentially announcing you don’t want a guy any more. It tends to hurt his trade value. However, in this particular instance, the Knicks are in luck because if they waive Prigs, his $1.7 million salary next season becomes fully guaranteed and even if they chose to use the stretch provision on him, it would be more than the amount of money he is owed on his partially guaranteed contract (if they stretch provisioned him, they’d owe him $566,000 each season for the next three seasons, while his partial guarantee is only $290,000). So basically the Knicks can tell teams, “It is obvious that we will not be waiving Prigioni. So if you’re interested in having him play for you this season, you’re going to have to trade for him.”

  29. By the way, Knick tickets are still over $40 per ticket for shitty seats. I don’t get it.

  30. However, in this particular instance, the Knicks are in luck because if they waive Prigs, his $1.7 million salary next season becomes fully guaranteed and even if they chose to use the stretch provision on him, it would be more than the amount of money he is owed on his partially guaranteed contract (if they stretch provisioned him, they’d owe him $566,000 each season for the next three seasons, while his partial guarantee is only $290,000). So basically the Knicks can tell teams, “It is obvious that we will not be waiving Prigioni. So if you’re interested in having him play for you this season, you’re going to have to trade for him.”

    I don’t think any team wants Pablo bad enough to try to understand whatever it is you’re trying to sell :)

  31. Ha! I think teams want Prigs. But if they think that the Knicks will just cut him, they’re not going to actually offer the Knicks anything for him. The Knicks can show, though, that it doesn’t make financial sense for them to cut Prigs, so they can assure teams that they won’t be cutting him, so if anyone wants him, they’re going to have to trade for him as he is not going anywhere this season unless by a trade.

  32. Agreed Brian. Pablo probably has some kind of minimal, but real value around the league. He has to play with guys that can put the ball in the hoop, because he won’t shoot unless he’s wide open and behind the arc, but as a backup PG I think he can definitely play a role for a playoff team. LAC, Portland and OKC for starters seem like teams that could use a backup PG.

  33. LAC, Portland and OKC for starters seem like teams that could use a backup PG.

    I have a lot of love for Pablo, but do you really think he’d play in front of Blake, Jackson or the coach’s son? He’s better than Austin Rivers clearly, but I think both Blake and Jackson offer way more well rounded games than Pablo. Pablo’s TS% is extremely high, but the list of things he can’t do on a basketball court is extremely long at this point and includes many of the traditional PG duties. He’s a weak defender whose only offensive skill is shooting when he’s wide open. He isn’t going to be widely coveted I don’t think.

  34. I’d love to see Pablo play with Durant and Westbrook and Ibaka. He’d be perfect. Still gets tons of steals, doesnt do stupid shit like take contested shots while not being named Kevin Durant, would put the ball in the right place, and if you need a big shot, well I don’t believe in clutch, but I believe in Pablo Prigioni. But its not gonna happen. Those idiots are going to let Waiters chuck them to the 9 seed

  35. Remember how it was barely halfway through 2010-11 until our regulars started talking about ways to move Amar’e’s contract? I just can’t believe we’re lamenting the Carmelo deal at all. It shouldn’t exist. He should have been moved for a pair of firsts and $23M in expiring contracts. I just am incredulous every time I read one of you (justly) criticizing that NTC.

    Phil Jackson has absolutely no idea what he’s doing if he’s not tanking. And since his only assets (Carmelo Anthony’s rotten joints and the first-round pick) can’t be moved, I imagine that he’s only made the sucky moves he’s been able to make, and were the NBA more willing to allow incompetence to run wild (and that’s saying a lot), this year’s pick would be long-gone.

  36. Pablo’s definitely worth a 2nd, even as a third string pg on a contender. Someone will bite on that.

  37. I think Pablo’s value is very under-appreciated. His lack of scoring has been problematical at times on the Knicks because we’ve had other non-scorers on the court with him most of the time. But in the right spot I think he’d add a lot more value than people think.

  38. Wat do you guys think about Amare?? Do he have a future in NewYork? Will he do something like “I had my 100m contract now I want to play with the Knicks for a min contract.

  39. Wat do you guys think about Amare?? Do he have a future in NewYork? Will he do something like “I had my 100m contract now I want to play with the Knicks for a min contract.

    I’d be thrilled, but no.

  40. Wat do you guys think about Amare?? Do he have a future in NewYork? Will he do something like “I had my 100m contract now I want to play with the Knicks for a min contract.

    I love him as fan and think he’s having one of his best years as a Knick. The problem is obviously that you have no idea how many minutes you are going to get in any season. Even giving him 4m-5m for one year and a team option on the second year seems risky to me. I think we should release him as soon as he can find some contender that wants him as a gift for being such a hard worker and good soldier. Maybe he can land on a contender and play himself into an NBA contract for a couple of years with someone else.

  41. MELO just voted to be a starter in the all star game.

    How? Do people from New York voted for him?

    Maybe it just shows that he is a centerpiece of this franchise.

  42. You’re really watching the people’s choice awards?

    Doc Rivers seems to be doing some real dumb shit in LA.

  43. No, that shit happened a while ago. I just googled “People’s Choice Awards” and looked for the most undeserving winner I could find, to give, um, context to Melo’s All-Star selection.

  44. Here’s how much better the West is – James Harden got more votes than anyone in the Eastern Conference not named Lebron, and he didn’t even make it on to the West team!

  45. James Harden isn’t on the all star team?

    I mean the team as voted by the fans. He’ll obviously make the coach vote (and he’ll likely start for the injured Kobe).

  46. Maybe MELO could win the MVP for the east.

    I am a little curious who will win the MVP in the NBA this year.

    My personal bet is Spicy Curry.

    He is one of the reasons why we should be reminded that we should tank big time. Some wins might be the difference between a player like curry vs jordan hill. Every defeat might be bitter but it will gonna help us. Hope we will be the league worst this year.

  47. Some wins might be the difference between a player like curry vs jordan hill.

    And a lousy GM is the difference between Jonny Flynn and Steph Curry. Thank you, thank you, I’ll be here all week.

    PS: and as much as I don’t love him, Jennings was still available. And Lawson too.

  48. I have no particular qualms about All-Star Game voting (after all, it’s a show for the fans, so it’s only right the fans are the ones who vote the starters in, even if they make appalling choices), save for the fact that multiple All-Star starting nods equal money for young players (a portion of the so-called “Rose rule”). I find it puzzling that millions of dollars are left in the hands of fans every year.

  49. Meanwhile making an all defense team or even winning dpoy during your rookie deal earns you nothing, if I remember right

  50. Exactly! And you wonder why scoring pointz is so important to get paid. The players union is the one advocating for that (since the CBA is signed by both parties, so I guess that Rose rule was proposed by Billy Hunter and co.)!

    Meanwhile, Kawhi Leonard (who won a MVP Finals trophy, for fuck’s sake!) is not entitled to any such raise.

    Well done, players union. Well done.

  51. I find it puzzling that millions of dollars are left in the hands of fans every year.

    Uh, all the dollars that all the players make come from the hands of fans. All of them. You find that puzzling?

  52. Fun article from Herring today in the WSJ about Don Pablo. Granted, the conclusion that we should find a player like Pablo only younger is not exactly earthshaking, but it’s a good read if you don’t get that Pablo is the shit.

  53. It’s not just tickets. It’s television. It’s merchandise. Without the fans, there is obviously no money to finance the league. So why is allowing the fans to have the tiniest iota of control puzzling?

    The all star game is a popularity contest, big deal. The popular players should get paid a bonus because they make the salaries of the non-famous players possible. That’s not crazy thinking by the players union, I don’t think.

  54. Meanwhile, Kawhi Leonard (who won a MVP Finals trophy, for fuck’s sake!) is not entitled to any such raise.

    He would have been an all star if healthy. Lets not get carried away. Now the fact that he wouldnt be starting is just a popularity thing. It is what it is. Marc Gasol doesnt score a ton and hes starting.

  55. Fuck, good thing we traded for Bargs instead of all star starter Kyle Lowry. What a brutal year it’s been.

  56. This is one reason why the FA approach is way more risky than rebuilding via draft and value oriented trades.

    “With regard to 2016, when the Heat could have $50 million in cap space, Riley said: “I’m not so sure that what we did in 2010 is anywhere close to what you can do in 2016. The rules have changed. Players can force you into sign and trades. “For a player to turn down a five-year guaranteed deal at home and major max money, he must really have to hate where he’s at or love where he’s going. It’s going to be approached differently. But at least we want to have the flexibility of having it. I would much rather have it than not.” Miami Herald – See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.DXmJ9Qjw.dpuf

  57. The bonus is valid only for All-Star starters, and you have to be a multiple All-Star starter.

    Marc Gasol is spanish, as his brother. That’s why they tallied all those votes. Did you check Mirotic votes? Basketball is very popolar in Spain. Or was Yao Ming so good to be always a starter, even when he was injured?

  58. Fuck, good thing we traded for Bargs instead of all star starter Kyle Lowry. What a brutal year it’s been.

    The East was big.

    Man, if we hadn’t gotten outrebounded so badly by Indiana in Game 3 of that series, so much would be so different.

    Or we could have gotten outrebounded, but not had an idiot coach in Woodson who overreacted to it so much that he altered our entire team lineup in the playoffs and then lobbied for Bargnani in the offseason.

    Christ almighty.

    I had such a meltdown that day (game 4, when I realized he benched Pablo to go with Martin and Chandler as a reaction) and it was entirely justified. That one game (game 3) altered the course of this franchise almost as much as the Melo trade.

  59. Even if the East was big and you were worried about matching up and rebounding, Bargnani was still probably the worst player on earth to bring in. His biggest weakness is rebounding.

  60. Apologies for beating a thoroughly dead horse, but because of injuries we probably weren’t beating Indy anyhow. But we were never beating them because of defense and rebounding. We were beating them the way we beat everyone that year-raining quality 3s on them. Woody panicked and tried to beat them at their game

  61. Apologies for beating a thoroughly dead horse

    The problem with dead horses around here is that they land on top of us and we suffocate beneath the weight of them for so long that it’s entirely justified to continue beating on it.

  62. And let’s not forget that the god of efficiency, Tyson Chandler, was bitch slapped for 6 games by Roy Hibbert, who hasn’t come close to that level of production since.

  63. And let’s not forget that the god of efficiency, Tyson Chandler, was bitch slapped for 6 games by Roy Hibbert, who hasn’t come close to that level of production since.

    Chandler was terrible but there were no long term franchise-altering decisions made because of him. We signed him to a reasonable contract, he outperformed it for 2 years, sulked for one, and was traded for the fourth. All told, that’s easily the best transaction this team has made this century.

  64. Thought exercise:

    If the Knicks were a moon and each of these events was a bomb that landed on its surface, how would you describe the bomb, it’s blast range, and its impact on the atmosphere?

    A) The original bomb, the Ewing trade for Glen Rice (that eventually became Eisley and Anderson)

    B) The Curry Bomb.

    C) StarBomb.

    D) The I’m Coming Home Bomb (Melo Trade)

    E) The Bomb of Wood. Included in this Woodson bomb is his undermining of the team’s strategy in the playoffs, the Bargnani trade, and dragging us all the way from contender to bottom of the East in one dreadful season.

    F) The Melo Mega Max Bomb (I’m counting the decision to extend him this year and the decision to trade for him as two distinct bombs. It was two decisions by two managements. And if I combined them, the blast radius would obvioulsy be so large that we wouldn’t notice any of the other bombs on the surface).

    I’d love to throw in the Amar’e B’omb, but all the damage of his contract could have been undone with amnesty, so I put any damage he caused under the Melo Trade Bomb.

  65. The Ewing bomb made for a nuclear winter we are still suffering from. The Curry Bomb destroyed what was left. The others are just pounding the remaining molecules into nothing, where we are currently now.

  66. Really? I feel like the Ewing bomb was just a warning shot. Like our enemies were just beginning to discover how to hurt us the most. It shook us out of our peaceful existence, but it shouldn’t have caused nuclear winter.

    I feel like the Curry Bomb might have had the widest blast range. It cost us Aldridge and Noah, so maybe it levelled some mountains.

    But the I’m Coming Home Bomb managed to infect the water, and all the trees died, and the atmosphere made life unsustainable.

    The Melo Mega Max Bomb was like when they hired an atmosphere specialist to help regrow the planet and he brought in all these fancy tools that made us think he could get the water clean again, and then the first thing he did was explode his lab and all his chemicals got into the water and ended all hope for good.

  67. F) The Melo Mega Max Bomb (I’m counting the decision to extend him this year and the decision to trade for him as two distinct bombs. It was two decisions by two managements. And if I combined them, the blast radius would obvioulsy be so large that we wouldn’t notice any of the other bombs on the surface).

    I’d love to throw in the Amar’e B’omb, but all the damage of his contract could have been undone with amnesty, so I put any damage he caused under the Melo Trade Bomb.

    Shocker.

  68. We’ve had a lot of “bombs” but in many ways we’re still paying for the Ewing bomb. The Curry trade was just mind-boggling. 2 first round picks for a guy Chicago didn’t want to pay because of a heart condition?

    Isiah must’ve thought it was the physical , blood-pumping organ, not the allegorical heart of a loser.

  69. What, no Allan Houston Bomb? Spending 100 mil on a player that wouldn’t have gotten more than 60 on the open market seems to me to be a big deal.

    As dumb as that was (and it was dumb), I don’t know if it really changed the trajectory of the team much.

    I’d add the McDyess Bomb, though. Camby and Nene (to be fair, Denver made that pick for the Knicks. I bet the Knicks would have taken the dumber choice, Chris Wilcox). for a guy coming off a major injury? That’s so Knicks. And for him to reinjure the knee in his first exhibition game as a Knick? Also so Knicks. And for him to then become a valuable player for the Pistons and Spurs years later? Also so Knicks.

  70. Fuck when you’ve been bombed so many times you forget about some. McDyess was definitely a significant bomb. It got Layden fired (which was a good thing) but also led directly to Isiah.

    Agree about Houston. We actually managed to get ourselves in such bad shape that his $100 million contract didn’t cripple us because we were already crippled.

  71. The problem with the Tobias Harris article is that the source is none other than Marc Berman.

  72. Back to reality…

    In order to acquire a restricted free agent (like Tobias), you have to make him an offer that another team thinks is terrible. Even if you win, you lose. I would like us to avoid this market altogether.

  73. The trade I hated most was actually the one for Tracy Mcgrady. We gave up picks and other stuff for someone who couldn’t play anymore and whom I didn’t want to watch in the name of making rebuilding palatable.

  74. The most recent bomb “Melo: I’m back” stings the most for me. Maybe it’s because it so fresh, but it’s so stuuuuupid. After a lot of blather and posturing for Melo to take less, PJax backs up the truck and overpays to the hilt, for a guy that’s impossible to build around.
    With a little homework, PJax would have discovered that Melo wanted to stay in NY all along (the kids, the brand, the wife, the city, etc.) Instead, he negotiated against much lower offers, if they were even true, and crippled this team for the next five years.
    And the NTC.
    That deal burns me.

  75. The NTC is like the 2016 first round pick swap in the initial Melo trade. It’s the thing that even proponents of the respective deals look at and say, “Yeah, even I can’t defend that part of the deal.”

  76. Thanks for sharing Frank. That’s pretty sinister.

    I hope it doesn’t get dismissed by people who hate/can’t understand stats.

  77. The sad thing is I can see the logic behind the NTC, even though I don’t agree with it.

    When Duncan and Garnett took drastic pay cuts, they got an NTC.

    Somehow, this contract was negotiated within the perceived reality that Melo taking 97% of the max instead of all of it was a favor to the Knicks, one for which he needed an extra perk.

    I think if we’d given him the straight max, there wouldn’t have been an NTC. He got it because he thinks he gave us a discount, and we didn’t challenge that reality.

  78. The best move we’ve made in recent years was signing Jason Kidd. It cost us nothing and he was THE biggest reason for us winning 54 games. He lost his shot and gassed out late in the season but he helped set the tone for that team and instilled the smart, team oriented play that lead to 54 wins that year. Knicks should have done everything to convince him to come back for one more year as he was under contract for 2 more. Maybe let him coach the summer league team that year and promise him an assistant position for his 3rd year with an eye to being the head coach when Woodson’s contract was done.

  79. He got it because he thinks he gave us a discount

    Did he not though? im confused, honestly.

    THE biggest reason for us winning 54 games

    I love when people post stuff like this. How bout the team was just good. Nah lets always try to deflect credit from Melo.
    That season was successful because Ray Felton made shots, Tyson was Tyson, good JR played more than bad JR, Pablo was two years younger and scrappier, the old man gang helped create a great locker room, Jason Kidd was really the only one who played and he made shots and great decisions on the court. Melo played small ball 4 and spread the defense for the shooters.

    All of these reasons are why the Knicks won 54 games. Not Jason Kidd as THE biggest reason.

  80. I know this is a Knicks basketball site, but something tells me statistical analysis is going to be part of the many nails in the Patriots’ coffin. Check this study out re: the Pats fumble rate since 2007 (or actually a report of a study – the actual site that did the study is getting hammered and is basically inaccessible):

    http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2015/01/23/deflated-patriots-statistically-impossible-fumble-record/

    It’s pretty interesting but it doesn’t seem like a very good methodology. If the Patriots are using some kind of deflated ball trick to cheat on fumbles then the way to examine that is to look at their fumble rate at home and their fumble rate on the road. If they’re crazy outliers and never fumble at home, but fumble at a normal rate on the road, now we’re getting somewhere. But at least based on what’s in that article it looks like they looked at all games, which doesn’t tell you much other than the Patriots are really good at not fumbling for some reason, and the fact that they (seemingly, because again it doesn’t seem like we can tell from this study) sustain this success on the road with normal footballs actually points more towards one of the other possible explanations suggested.

    And the fact that they completely cherry-picked the period isn’t great either. One explanation is that the Patriots discvoered this scheme in 2007. The other explanation is that before that they were fumbling at a normal rate because their current hot streak is just a freak random occurrence.

  81. I was able to find a cached version of the actual article here and apparently teams can bring their own footballs on the road? So I guess my point above would be basically null and void because of that. My biggest takeaway from this whole scenario is how weird it is that the teams are apparently in charge of their own footballs. What kind of nonsense is that? Why doesn’t the NFL do it?

  82. With LaMarcus Aldridge out for 2 months, any feasible chance of giving them Amar’e and getting anything back? (Aldridge can facilitate, of course, by telling Portland that he’s opting out and wants to sign in NY. And Mathews too. Salaries line up perfect:)

  83. Well the NFL inspects the ball before the game to make sure that it is up to NFL standards but apparently something happen after they inspected them.

  84. The Ewing bomb started the avalanche, but there have been so many chances to stop the madness.

    Walsh tried, but he was fired. Grunwald did a great job trying, but he too was fired for it. Phil is un-fireable, but his first order of business was to set off more dynamite.

    (The bomb that actually ruined the Knicks happened before the Ewing trade. It was when Cablevision bought the team and it was given to the boss’s son to play with)

  85. er, you need to relax buddy! I like Melo! Yes, Melo was great that year. Chandler was pretty good but not as good as he was the previous season. Felton was Felton. JR was the best Jr we got. Novak and Copeland drained 3’s all season. Sheed gave us a spark off the season during the 18-6 stretch and Kmart helped us when we closed out with 13 wins. Pablo was great down the stretch too. Heck, Ronnie Brewer played good D early on, Shump was nice down the stretch. Kurt Thomas helped spark the 13 win streak and enforced the locker. I’m sure Camby provided leadership as well.

    It was a good team. I’m just saying I think Kidd was huge that year. Sorry if saying “the biggest reason” but that’s just my opinion. Felton, JR, Chandler and Melo were all back in the fold the following year and we sucked big time. So yes, I think Kidd had a huge role in that season. He was always looking to pass, find the open man and when the game got tight, he was always the one huddling everyone up and making sure everyone was calm and knew what to do. He was huge for us. Melo is great. But he was there the year before, the year after and this year. Others have come and gone before and since. But Kidd was there for that one season and it was our best one in the last 14 years. So yeah, I think it was a smart signing and probably the biggest reason for us being good that year. I think you could have not had Camby or Novak or Copeland and we still would have won 50 games that year. Without Kidd, though, I don’t think that happens.

  86. those first couple dozen games to that season with kidd still having something left in the tank was the best ball we’ve played in 15 years….

  87. Kidd was like a playing coach.

    just back from holidays, I haven’t seen Galloway or Amundson play for Knicks… they all hustle which is good, Jason Smith still sucks. Lance Thomas runs like he has a ball chain.

    surprisingly this game against Magic is close

  88. My biggest takeaway from this whole scenario is how weird it is that the teams are apparently in charge of their own footballs. What kind of nonsense is that? Why doesn’t the NFL do it?

    It seems as though that a bunch of quarterbacks petitioned the NFL in 2006 (which is why the study began in 2007) to allow them to adjust the ball as much as they were legally allowed to (like one guy might like it more inflated and another might like it more inflated). So the NFL let them do it.

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