Knicks Morning News (2016.11.22)

  • [NYTimes] N.B.A. Schedule: Here’s What to Watch This Week
    (Monday, November 21, 2016 4:22:06 PM)

    Luke Walton’s Lakers meet Steve Kerr’s Warriors in a home-and-home series this week.

  • [NYDN] Knicks backup center Hernangomez keeps his cool against Hawks
    (Monday, November 21, 2016 8:21:27 PM)

    Willy Hernangomez not only frustrated one of the league’s best centers down the stretch Sunday, he absorbed two cheap shots.

  • [NYDN] Knicks know team meeting means nothing without carryover on court
    (Monday, November 21, 2016 8:19:37 PM)

    Derrick Rose understands that a team meeting and one victory doesn’t mean squat without carryover.

  • [NY Newsday] Will Knicks’ team meeting help? Time will tell
    (Monday, November 21, 2016 8:21:46 PM)

    Will the team meeting the Knicks held on Saturday be considered the turning point of their season?

  • [NYPost] Knicks ‘D’ in for big test versus Blazers duo minus Joakim Noah
    (Monday, November 21, 2016 6:46:05 PM)

    At least they have a little warning this time. The Knicks scratched Joakim Noah just hours before Sunday’s start at the Garden. And, because of illness, Noah is listed as doubtful for Tuesday’s home game against Portland and the Blazers’ high octane backcourt of Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum. “I talked to him this morning….

  • [NYPost] Behind Knicks’ ‘positive’ sit-down: They all needed to talk
    (Monday, November 21, 2016 2:36:20 PM)

    After nearly a month of “what-in-blazes-are-we-doing?” play, the Knicks staged a team meeting. They sat down with coaches, with team president Phil Jackson and after putting on “Hi, My Name is …” labels because of 10 new faces, discussed who and where they are, where they want to go and, importantly, how they want to…

  • [ESPN] Tuesday’s Knicks News: Team meeting means nothing if wins don’t follow
    (Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:12:25 AM)

    Tuesday’s Knicks News: Team meeting means nothing if wins don’t follow

  • [ESPN] Carmelo Anthony ‘still in awe’ of Kristaps Porzingis
    (Monday, November 21, 2016 11:31:10 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony ‘still in awe’ of Kristaps Porzingis

  • [ESPN] Monday’s Knicks News: Anthony plays big in win over Hawks
    (Monday, November 21, 2016 6:02:27 AM)

    Monday’s Knicks News: Anthony plays big in win over Hawks

  • [SNY Knicks] With Rose in mind, Hornacek adds dribble drive to Modern Triangle
    (Monday, November 21, 2016 3:30:52 PM)

    If you’ve been watching Derrick Rose play, what you’ve seen are glimpses of the explosive Rose of old mixed in with an inconsistent decision maker with a propensity to miss good looks and turn the ball over at inopportune times.

  • [SNY Knicks] Noah and Thomas listed as doubtful for Tuesday’s game
    (Monday, November 21, 2016 12:35:52 PM)

    Joakim Noah (illness) and Lance Thomas (bone bruise) are listed as doubtful for Tuesday night’s game against the Blazers.

  • [SNY Knicks] Hernangomez proves value against Howard, Hawks
    (Monday, November 21, 2016 8:45:35 AM)

    Rookie Willy Hernangomez received a well anticipated opportunity during Sunday’s win against the Hawks.

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    119 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.11.22)”

    1. That Hernangomez quote has kind of endeared him to me. He does LOOK worthy of “big baby,” as Melo called him, but he’s not soft. I love that he and KP are already friends and have such complementary games – and both have a lot more edge and toughness than first guessed. Could be a great tandem for years to come.

    2. Continuing from the last thread…
      I agree the sample size is small, but quite clearly the team is averaging a hell of a lot more offense, Melo is highly efficient, KP is outperforming last year so far.
      This team will fill the bucket. I agree with ruru that Rose is close. I think his feel and handle around the hoop will get better.

      My big thing is this: if this team can become a middling defense, they finish in the upper half in the East.
      No question in my mind. If they can gain some continuity on defense (always the last thing to come together on a very new squad) they could be a very scary team.

      It’s a small sample, but clearly Melo is seeing far fewer double teams. KP and even just the idea of Rose and Jennings is keeping teams honest. Simply stated, no one feared our guards last year.
      Rose and Jennings are still feared.

    3. Also, don’t look now- but Rose’s defense is improving *knocks on wood*

      Sometimes I don’t know what to think about this team. There are so many variables that it scares me. No doubt Phil is taking a huge gamble with this roster. *knocks on wood again* maybe it actually works and we are due to have some good fortune this time around.

    4. @Rama – I’m with you about Hernangomez. Nobody’s been saying “He needs to bulk up”. The kid is already big and sturdy. What he did against Howard was impressive. It would be impressive for a seasoned NBA starting center. Reports that he cannot defend were just wrong. He’s big and he plays big. With experience and a sound cast around him, he’ll do just fine. And yes, Rose held Schroeder to a single point. Maybe he just had a bad game, but Rose deserved a little credit.

      We’re approaching that magical 20-game mark. Let’s see where we are after that Dec 4th game vs Sacramento.

    5. Willy’s defensive issues have much more to do with guarding the pick and roll, but he’s good defending in the post. In that way — and, thankfully, only in that way — he reminds me of Bargs, who was pretty much only useful defending down low.

    6. We should learn a lot about this team in the next 3 games with Portland at home tonight and then a b2b against Charlotte over the weekend. If we’re sitting at .500 after that stretch that will be a decent start against a tough opening schedule.

    7. @5 – You are right about Hernangomez and the pick-n-roll. The scouting reports I saw showed how he was vulnerable to double PNR’s which are common in the NBA. But those were when he was 19-20 years old. A long time ago, for a kid. I’m seeing less of a struggle. Please never compare him to Bargnani.

    8. 2-3 was my optimistic prediction for this 5 game stretch starting against Atlanta. It would suck if we lost the doubleheader against CHA but it woouldn’t be the end of the world.

      If we show up on defense then we should be able to compete with most teams.

    9. I remember reading a few threads back a suggestion of making a play for Klay Thompson. Considering the fact that the Dubs are literally all offense, I wonder if they would consider a KOQ/Lee/2017 1st for Klay. I would offer that in a heartbeat. Considering that the team is much better when Rose plays D and scores 15 or less points, I think Klay would fit right in. Also, Lee would leave the Dubs lineup more balanced. What do you guys think?

    10. I’d like us to use that pick you want to use for Klay to get a PG. We’re going to need one down and next year’s draft is stacked loaded with them.

    11. I’d like us to use that pick you want to use for Klay to get a PG. We’re going to need one down and next year’s draft is stacked loaded with them

      Good point. Even still, I wouldn’t mind if we had to trade that pick for Klay because I don’t think that pick would be very high, and we could always re-sign Rose or Jennings. If Rose stays healthy and would take a pay cut, I think he’d be great- he seems to be finding his role on the team and rounding into shape. But it’s still early

    12. Whatever it takes to beat Lebron and his posse.

      Phil seems like the guy to do something like that.

    13. If they made Klay available there would be way better offers than KOQ, Lee and a first round pick that wouldn’t be in the lottery.

    14. Literally no chance they trade us Klay for anything less than KP

      Klay is their 4th most important player though. Considering the way they have played defense so far, I think they would at least consider KOQ/Lee/2017 1st for Klay. They’d end up with better defense, very good role players to balance the offense, and better shot distribution for their 3 best players.

    15. You know, I was scoffing at the Klay Thompson idea but his numbers are way off this year.

      They should trade him and Draymond for Anthony Davis.

    16. Maybe, but if they turned down Kevin Love for him, I think they might not be tempted by this package.

    17. The thing is Noah might be one the best passing man in the whole NBA and is still a great rebounder and defender. If you swap Klay for Noah, a 1st and a 2nd both teams might be better off (not really, but who knows, a GS fan might be reading this).

      This would essentially mean replacing Klay with Durant (Bogut is pretty much the same as Noah), plus a pair of picks. Not that bad.

    18. The Warriors are 12-2 with a point differential of 10.3.

      Call me crazy, but I don’t think they’re looking to make any deals.

    19. Klay would be awesome, but I’m with Ras1980 on our pick. If I trade our pick, it’s with an asset to move up in the draft. Period.

    20. Klay is at worst the 3rd best SG in the league. He’s one of the greatest 3 point shooters of all time and has become much better at creating his own shot every year. He’s also a very good on ball defender.

      If GSW put him up for trade they could at the very least get a Brooklyn pick, Crowder and some cap filler for him, probably more. They could then flip some of that to a 3rd team for a rim protector like Philly for Noel. KOQ, Lee and NYK’s 2017 first isn’t close to enough to make GSW even think about trading Klay.

      They do have some depth, rebounding and interior defense issues, but they’re still the deserved heavy favorite to win the title without making any deal.

    21. Anyway, it’s hard to think that we might be in the position to do such a deal. That said, this time we’re not in the “impossible” territory. We have a balanced (if slightly overpaid) roster, and that’s one for Phil.

    22. They really would be better off having another passing, defending big. And Noah has a nasty streak that would compliment very well Draymond.

    23. It’s hard to get a read on how good Klay is imho. Obviously his best attribute is that he’s a fantastic 3 point shooter. Are his numbers suppressed by playing with Curry (and now KD) or does he benefit from a lack of defensive attention because those guys are on the floor?

    24. Klay would be awesome, but I’m with Ras1980 on our pick. If I trade our pick, it’s with an asset to move up in the draft. Period.

      I’d like us to find someone who can play defense, run a competent PnR, and hit the occasional 3-ball. Basically, I’d like us to find a younger version of the FA we wanted last offseason – Mike Conley.

    25. Klay has put up big numbers with and without Curry. This is a guy that has put up 37 in a quarter and hit impossible shot after impossible shot to steal game 6 at OKC in the WCF last year. Do we really think he’s going to keep shooting 34.9% from 3?

    26. Klay is overrated much like Harrison Barnes was, but he’s a very good player on an all-time great team.

      His overall poor season stats are the result of the following performances, all in the first six games of the season:

      10 points on 18 FGA
      11 points on 13 FGA
      14 points on 15 FGA (plus 5 FTA)
      14 points on 17 FGA (plus 2 FTA)

      The guy went 3-29 on threes in those games. He’ll regress. They’re not trading him. Why would they trade him? Why would anyone on this board realistically think that the Warriors are going to trade while his numbers are at an all-time low and they’ve got him under contract for the next three years? Are you guys serious?

    27. Klay is good but still overrated after the absolutely scorching end of season and playoffs he put together last year. He’s not worth trading for–it’s just another contract that puts us on a win now timeline when we have no chance of winning anything. I’ll keep the pick.

      Moreover it ain’t happenin

    28. This thread is how I know that this board is full of delusion. Lots of trade chatter, but there’s no fucking way that the Warriors trade Klay for anyone not named “James Harden.” C’mon.

    29. Klay is the kind of player that you throw money at when you’re already at a 60+ win team. He’s not the kind of player you build a franchise around (and he’s at best the fourth-best player on that team). The Warriors were right to extend him, but other teams would have been wrong. The Dubs maxed their credit card at the exact right time.

    30. It’s not realistic to think the Warriors will trade Klay for Noah because I’m not the GM.

      In the abstract though he’d absolutely be worth trading Noah for.

    31. While Klay for Noah (plus picks etc) might actually make both teams better, Klay is so good that there would be offers out there that would make the Dubs mo better. We have no shot at him (if it were even a possibility he’d be traded).

    32. Well, Klay was great last year. So far this year he is looking more like what I expected him to be. But I am a believer. I think he’s the real deal. Not a top ten player but a top 50 player for sure.

      That doesn’t mean the Dubs couldn’t improve by trading him. It’s possible. But it won’t be for a package built on Noah. Not even in Trumpmerica.

    33. Yeah, I’m sure the world champions want to trade us their star players for end-of-roster dreck and a guy whose contract looks like an immediate blunder. Great things like that happen to the Knicks all the time. Sure they do.

      Edit: uh, the 2015 world champions…

    34. Former DPOY Joakim Noah is no end of the roster dreck! Durant could be gone next year. Curry & Green aren’t getting younger. The window could slam shut faster than you think. Noah is like Bogut only better-it’s a perfect fit.

    35. People be talking about KO’Q and Courtney Lee for Klay. Maybe if we throw in whatever Plumlee we have they’ll totes bite!

    36. I highly doubt we make any in season trade this year. We’re not trading Melo and we otherwise have no assets to give.

    37. I can’t imagine GS trading Klay for that package either. And what exactly would we be if we got Klay anyway? 3rd in the east? Why bother?

      I think they are on the right course. Keep the pick(s) and lets see what they turn in to.

    38. I hope people don’t react badly when Phil tries to flip Rose and a future 1st for 30 y/o Dragic. Hey he is not klay or young but he would have 3 more years on his contract and would probably turn into a less acurate Jose Calderon as he loses a step.

    39. This thread is how I know that this board is full of delusion. Lots of trade chatter, but there’s no fucking way that the Warriors trade Klay for anyone not named “James Harden.” C’mon.

      Jowles, YOU’RE complaining about shitposting?

      It’s like I don’t even know you anymore.

    40. Trading Klay for anyone but a bonafide superstar would be foolish. Sort of like it would have been to trade him for Kevin Love a couple of years ago.

      Let’s not forget that the Warriors have just had two historic seasons and are on their way to a third…and should have won consecutive titles. Klay Thompson is an immense part of that success. In fact, it could be argued that he was more instrumental to their playoff success than Curry, i.e. big performances in critical games. I, for one think that he is actually underrated because of his defensive prowess compared to 1-way players guys like Curry, Harden and Love.

      Anyway, he’s not getting traded to the Knicks, certainly not for anyone not named Porzingis, so why is anyone even bringing it up?

    41. Wow, I thought this Klay discussion would have went the way of the Dodo by now. I am too into focusing on the available PGs in the coming draft. Frank Ntilikina’s 7’0″ wingspan at the 1 matched with KP’s 7’6″ wingspan is a dream of mine. We should be a team that just drafts guys with the largest wingspans.

    42. Isn’t there a game tonight? We’re playing the Trailblazers, right? Let’s discuss that instead of Klay, a player that will never wear the orange and blue.

      This is a must-win game but there are some challenges. The Blazer back court is an offensive juggernaut. Rose and Lee better be on their toes. We need their best performance. There shall be no slacking off tonight!

    43. I, for one think that he is actually underrated because of his defensive prowess compared to 1-way players guys like Curry

      Did you just call the guy who’s led the league in steals the last two seasons a one-way player? He might not be an all-league defender, and he might not be the ideal person to defend a switch on a PnR, but one-way? Are you serious, bruh?

    44. Then this team would really take off….

      I sure would love to have a team full of guys who can contest shots and passing lanes in an NBA where the ability to force turnovers and break into full court transition has become more vital to success. Its a growing market efficiency.

    45. Let’s discuss that instead of Klay, a player that will never wear the orange and blue.

      Never say never.

      When he’s past 30 with a bad knee demanding his last max contract the Knicks will always be a top destination.

    46. Steals actually highly correlate with productivity in other defensive metrics and generally serves as a good track of athleticism and intangibles like “court awareness” and “being in the right place at the right time on d”, etc. Steals are also one of the best indicators of future productivity when evaluating NBA prospects, for what it’s worth.

      Many of the best defensive wings and guards have high steal numbers, and high steal numbers may not make you elite on defense, but it does indicate that you’re a net positive on that end, usually.

    47. You seriously think steals are a good measure of defense?

      Did I say that steals are “a good measure of defense”? No.

      I said the ability to generate turnovers has become more central to NBA success. NBA statistician Dean Oliver has ranked this as the second most important factor in determining wins behind shooting efficiency.

    48. Sure but it could mean that you’re undisciplined on defense and just overplay the lanes. Iverson led the league in steals, Amare was one of the top shot blockers and we know they aren’t good defenders.

      Curry may be ok on defense but to list steals as reasoning for that is silly.

    49. I’m not gonna respond in depth because I’m at work but blocks are way less valuable than steals in general so the analogy breaks down a bit. And steals usually indicate good defensive performance, not always–there will be Iversons, occasionally.

      But Curry’s steal numbers combined with the eye test would likely indicate that he’s managed to improve to a plus level NBA defender.

    50. My only point was that you cannot call him a one-way player when he’s generating that many turnovers for your defense. No one’s calling him Kawhi.

    51. I agree with Jowles here: this chatter about Noah, who plays for one of the weaker franchises in the game, for one of the best three point shooters in the game, playing for the best team in the game, next to two of the best three players in the game is so ridiculous it’s hard to fathom.
      We seem to cycle on this board between the let’s blow up the team to the ‘lets posit the most absurd one-sided trades,’ which invariably leads to someone talking about giving away yet another future 1st round pick.

      there is dreaming and then there is delusion.

    52. I don’t think we we need to take Noah for Klay too seriously people. I think the general idea is that the Warriors have something of a surplus in the high usage, high efficiency scoring area and could be better in other areas.

      I am excited to see McCollum tonight. Convinced a friend to trade for him in fantasy. Kind of a poor man’s Klay.

    53. My only point was that you cannot call him a one-way player when he’s generating that many turnovers for your defense.

      That’s moreso the part I disagree with. If you overplay the lanes you might get lucky a few times but out of position on defense for other plays. Your team might be playing 4 on 5 on defense for a few seconds which could mean a score for the other team.

      Of the top 30 steal leaders, 7-8 of them could be considered more ball hawks than good defenders.

    54. Ummm. Steals are one measure of defense. Blocks are another. Defense is not easy to quantify. The best metric is DWS, defensive win shares. Steph Curry is currently 118th which is not great. The current top 10 are:
      1 Chris Paul
      2 Hassan Whiteside
      3 Dwight Howard
      4 Blake Griffin
      5 Andre Drummond
      6 Anthony Davis
      7 DeAndre Jordan
      8 Rudy Gobert
      9 Giannis Antetokounmpo
      10 Paul Millsap

    55. Chris Paul is so fucking supreme. Man, I love his game. If I could pick any PG to play for my team he’d be #2 behind Magic.

    56. “The best metric is DWS, defensive win shares.”
      I have to admit that I have pretty much no clue how defensive win shares are calculated. Can anyone explain it? Is it based on team defensive performance when the player is in the game? Is it some formula based on steals, blocked shots, opponent FG% or something like that? Eye test? Some combination of all of the above?

    57. Allen Crabbe coming to town brings up an interesting question. What off-season signings would teams already undo based only on the tiny sample they’ve seen thru November 22? Not saying Crabbe is one, he is still scoring efficiently and it’s hard to get shots in such a load offensive backcourt, though I do think people seemed to talk themselves into Crabbe being a more well-rounded defensive wing than he maybe is.

      But what about Evan Turner, who has been truly terrible (and was already pretty bad)? Does Chandler Parsons get that deal today? Solomon Hill would have to be Dennis Rodman on D to justify his offense so far this year at any price. Jeff Green sucks and was stupid to begin with. I think the Lakers would rip up Deng’s contract in a heartbeat. Houston is playing well so I guess Morey would do Ryan Andersen again, but he probably shouldn’t. I’m not a big Marvin Williams fan, and even though he didn’t get as huge a contract as some feared I doubt he’ll earn it; his start hasn’t been good but he’d probably get it again. Toronto would do Derozan again and then some, which I thought would turn out to be ugly. Don’t doubt Masai, I guess. Noah? Lee?

    58. Crediting Defensive Win Shares to players is based on Dean Oliver’s Defensive Rating. Defensive Rating is an estimate of the player’s points allowed per 100 defensive possessions (please see Oliver’s book for further details). Here is a description of the process (once again using LeBron James in 2008-09 as an example):

      Calculate the Defensive Rating for each player. James’s Defensive Rating in 2008-09 was 99.1.
      Calculate marginal defense for each player. Marginal defense is equal to (player minutes played / team minutes played) * (team defensive possessions) * (1.08 * (league points per possession) – ((Defensive Rating) / 100)). For James this is (3054 / 19780) * 7341 * ((1.08 * 1.083) – (99.1 / 100)) = 202.5. Note that this formula may produce a negative result for some players.
      Calculate marginal points per win. Marginal points per win reduces to 0.32 * (league points per game) * ((team pace) / (league pace)). For the 2008-09 Cavaliers this is 0.32 * 100.0 * (88.7 / 91.7) = 30.95.
      Credit Defensive Win Shares to the players. Defensive Win Shares are credited using the following formula: (marginal defense) / (marginal points per win). James gets credit for 202.5 / 30.95 = 6.54 Defensive Win Shares.

      Taken from basketball reference.

      DWS isn’t really a good measure of individual D. DBPM grades Curry at a slight positive on D the last two years and his DRTG is better than the team’s points allowed per game.That coupled with his high raw steals numbers gives me a good enough reason to think that he’s at least an average NBA defender even if it’s not particularly exact.

    59. Just to say I never deluded myself into thinking we might get Klay for Noah. And I agree we have other to worry about. It was just to say that Noah might be more enticing to them than KOQ/Lee.

      I have a bad feeling for tonight’s game. High-scoring backcourt have been a nightmare for our Knicks in the past years. Tonight is the night we see if Rose can really be considered an average defender or not (my prediction: Lillard goes off for 40 and McCollum for 25, but we still win).

    60. But what about Evan Turner, who has been truly terrible (and was already pretty bad)? Does Chandler Parsons get that deal today? Solomon Hill would have to be Dennis Rodman on D to justify his offense so far this year at any price. Jeff Green sucks and was stupid to begin with. I think the Lakers would rip up Deng’s contract in a heartbeat. Houston is playing well so I guess Morey would do Ryan Andersen again, but he probably shouldn’t. I’m not a big Marvin Williams fan, and even though he didn’t get as huge a contract as some feared I doubt he’ll earn it; his start hasn’t been good but he’d probably get it again. Toronto would do Derozan again and then some, which I thought would turn out to be ugly. Don’t doubt Masai, I guess. Noah? Lee?

      If we can trade Noah (who I don’t dislike, but who seems a bit redundant, if still good) for someone even on this list I wouldn’t be sad. Just say no to no-defense guys.

    61. I’m praying that these teams gave out these contracts knowing there would be an amnesty in the next CBA. Two years of Noah wouldn’t seem that bad.

    62. I’m praying that these teams gave out these contracts knowing there would be an amnesty in the next CBA. Two years of Noah wouldn’t seem that bad.

      I was hoping that Noah would be good enough for his contract that we could use it on Lance Thomas instead.

    63. We’ve won three of the last four and our defense has been about the league average over that stretch.
      My belief has been if this team plays league average on defense, we could have a top half finisher in the east.
      Our defense has improved. We’re not the worst in the league anymore.
      And defense is the slowest to improve on a newly constructed team.
      We’re also very tough at home.
      I think we beat them tonight.

    64. Who cares about Klay Thompson when Phil trades Lee and Noah to Washington for Bradley Beal. I’m a Gator fan and I’m not even high on Beal but he would be a more likely target than Klay. The Wiz gets a 2 guard that’s a vet and less likely to butt heads. Noah gives them add3d depth. Through in a future 1st and who says no? Well maybe both teams fans.

      However, for Knicks fans it just shift their long term contract woes and health issues they have with Noah on to Beal. Also consolidating both Lee/Noah salary into Beal could come in handy if teams are given another Amnesty provision. There is a chance Beal stays healthy and Hornachek gets him to change his shot chart. Two or three less long 2s and two or three more 3s would be huge for Beal.

    65. er
      November 22, 2016 at 4:13 pm
      Portland has the #30 rated defense aka last.

      So maybe we put 120 on them tonight

    66. I doubt there’s an amnesty provision, as well, if only because no one seems to be talking about it and the NBA and the Players Association seem to be pretty close to a new deal. In fact, the only mention I heard of amnesty provisions at all was an ESPN report saying that there isn’t support for having one in this new deal.

      It seems like the main changes are all good ones, like they’ve changed the Age 36 rule, which had been a crazy rule for years now, they’ve changed teams having the ability to rescind qualifying offers (which always seemed like a total dick move to me) and they’ve reduced the amount of time a player needs to be with a team before they can extend his contract (from three years to two). All seem like positive changes.

    67. Yes, if only they could get away with that stupid age limit and do something about the end of games being too long for the NBA’s own sake, it would make for a perfect product.

    68. What do you mean by do away with the age limit? Do you mean not have one at all? So go back to high school grads being able to play in the NBA? If so, I agree with that. I just wasn’t sure if that’s what you meant.

    69. I think he meant the little known CBA provision that says the Knicks may never start more than two players under 30

    70. Yes, maybe there’s a way of saying that that’s more correct than the one I used, but that’s exactly what I meant!

      @84 LOL

    71. The one-and-done sucks. Either they let HS kids play or they force college kids to play 2 years.

      As for the end of games, limit time outs to 20 second TO’s w/2 minutes to play. Also, eliminate the awful hack-a-whomever by reverting back to the ancient 3 to make 2 when a team is over the limit. Teams that commit fouls should be penalized, not gain a benefit (stopping the clock). They might even run off 24 seconds. That would make teams think twice about fouling. (OK, a bit radical).

    72. One and done sucks, but at least it’s a compromise that both sides hate sort of equally. :)

    73. I have zero issue with the hack-a stuff. Guys should be able to hit free throws close to or better than 50%. We shouldn’t be changing the rule for an extreme minority of players who are historically dog shit at hitting uncontested shots from 15 feet out.

    74. Bradley Beal is always hurt. Pass.

      GSW may have a bit of a hole in the middle of their D, but they won’t want 4 years of Noah, and certainly not for Klay even if the Knicks kick in sweeteners. As someone said, they might be interested in a smaller deal though. OQ?

      Any deal the Knicks look to make should try to include foisting LT on someone.

    75. @89 – Three free throws to make two; two to make one was eliminated in 1981-82. They should never have eliminated that. That’s what led to hack-a-whomever. It slowed the end of game to a crawl.

    76. As someone said, they might be interested in a smaller deal though. OQ?

      I wouldn’t mind trying to pry McCaw and Looney away from them.

    77. Portland is similar to us Four Factors-wise: good-ish offense, crap defense. They get there in a little bit different way than we do– they’re a top 10 offensive eFG% team that can’t grab offensive rebounds for shit, while we’re average in eFG% but grab lots of rebounds. Defensively the Knicks are middling to poor in all Four Factors, while the Blazers are pretty good at eFG% prevention but flat out stink at the other three factors. We’re #22 in SRS, they’re #23.

      The Blazers’ starting lineup has been decent, but their bench sucks the big one. They’re getting very disappointing seasons from three guys who were very useful for them last year: Ed Davis, Meyers Leonard and Al-Farouq Aminu. Evan Turner has been a bust and Noah Vonleh has not developed at all. Crabbe has been their only decent bench piece.

    78. Friendly reminder that lance has played only 8 games this year and we were all pretty happy with his contract at the time of the signing

    79. I didn’t like the contract, for the record. Call me Cassandra.

    80. @95
      Perhaps so, but Holiday and Kuz are fast making him superfluous for less $$. Also, his continuing injury woes are concerning. I’m guessing that he still has some value in the league though, so I hope Phil moves him.

    81. I hate to agree with Jowles about anything, but I wish this commenting platform supported GIFs so I could insert KP’s “fuck outta here” face to the idea that Golden State would part with Klay Thompson for anyone on our roster whose name doesn’t rhyme with shmorzingis.

    82. I have zero issue with the hack-a stuff. Guys should be able to hit free throws close to or better than 50%. We shouldn’t be changing the rule for an extreme minority of players who are historically dog shit at hitting uncontested shots from 15 feet out.

      Word. Why change the rules for guys who are too proud to even try underhand? Suck it up and embrace the granny style.

    83. Lance was never that good even when was good for us.

      The entire contract relied on him hitting threes at the same rate he did last year, which was the first and only year that he hit threes at that rate. If he did continue to hit threes at that rate, then the contract would have been worth it. Whether you should commit four years on the hope that a guy does something again after never doing it before in his career is an interesting question.

    84. Lance will need a lot of time to get into game shape. He’s been out a long time. His feet are a mess. This has all the looks of a bust resigning. I’ll admit that I was for it at the time, but I didn’t have access to medical records. I wonder if Phil did.

    85. Tim Frazier looks like one of the best contracts in the league right now. I know some guys here wanted us to get him.

    86. Whether you should commit four years on the hope that a guy does something again after never doing it before in his career is an interesting question.

      This is an interesting question indeed. It means buying a stock while its on the rise hoping that it doesn’t bottom out again. I never saw Lance as an ascending player, just someone who made the most of outperforming expectations. Phil jumped the gun on that one waaaaay too soon.

    87. Agree generally with all the above, but it should still be noted that LT doesn’t have enough 3PA this year to accurately judge how he will continue to shoot.

    88. @102
      IIRC, his problem last year was a knee. The feet appear to be a new problem.

      But even setting that aside, Holiday and Kuz deserve his minutes. It really shouldn’t be too hard to deal him somewhere, IF he can get healthy for a stretch. Just try to get out from under the years on the deal.

    89. I think Lance Thomas for Anthony Davis is a far more realistc possibilty than KOQ/Lee for Klay Thompson.

      (I’m being sarcastic, in case any of our resident delusionistas thinks otherwise. We’ve come to that on this blog)

    90. Silky — thanks for the explanation of defensive win shares. It is all so clear to me now.
      A few weeks ago, I was reading libertyballers.com and Sixer fans were debating whether they should trade Okafor for Porzingis. That was about as much of a waste of Internet bandwidth as any discussion about the Knicks acquiring Klay Thompson.

    91. A few weeks ago, I was reading libertyballers.com and Sixer fans were debating whether they should trade Okafor for Porzingis.

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I don’t know which was more laughable – that they think Okafor is worth KP or that the have to debate about wanting to make such a deal.

    92. @107 , No it hasn’t. I’m sure no one took your post seriously. Just another poor attempt to be clever….

      Looking forward to the game tonight.

    93. Calculate the Defensive Rating for each player. James’s Defensive Rating in 2008-09 was 99.1.
      Calculate marginal defense for each player. Marginal defense is equal to (player minutes played / team minutes played) * (team defensive possessions) * (1.08 * (league points per possession) – ((Defensive Rating) / 100)). For James this is (3054 / 19780) * 7341 * ((1.08 * 1.083) – (99.1 / 100)) = 202.5. Note that this formula may produce a negative result for some players.
      Calculate marginal points per win. Marginal points per win reduces to 0.32 * (league points per game) * ((team pace) / (league pace)). For the 2008-09 Cavaliers this is 0.32 * 100.0 * (88.7 / 91.7) = 30.95.
      Credit Defensive Win Shares to the players. Defensive Win Shares are credited using the following formula: (marginal defense) / (marginal points per win). James gets credit for 202.5 / 30.95 = 6.54 Defensive Win Shares.

      The only player specific numbers in the entire formula are defensive rating and minutes played. So it’s like defensive rating adjusted for team pace and minutes played, and maybe in different units. I’m not sure how useful this is.

    94. 76er fans have been subjected to a unique kind of torture over the past few years that has warped their minds irreparably. I’d pray for them, if I could stop laughing to prevent myself from crying about my own team.

    95. I think the most persuasive reason to end hacking is for watchability reasons–the end of any reasonably close NBA game is absolutely glacial, interminable, fossil-from-the-early-triassic levels of long

      It hurts watchability and I’m sure it breaks the flow of the game for the players involved. Obviously teams shouldn’t get off scot-free for having players that can’t make free throws playing at the end of games, but frankly I’ll take a little bit of a hit in the meritocracy department in exchange for getting to bed 20 minutes earlier.

    96. Westchester Knicks up 57-36 at the half. Iowa looks like a HS team. Damien Inglis with a double-double. Interesting. Could there be a gem or two on the team?

      @114 – It’s totally about watchability for me.

    97. DWS is essentially a calculation of the marginal points allowed per possession by a particular team (which is then allocated to players on said team) vis a vis the PPP average of the league as a whole.

      Crediting DWS to individual players involves a similar maneuver–marginal defense for players is how many PPP a specific player would be expected to give up in comparison to the league average. The difference between the expected value and the actual value is the marginal defense, the formula being: (1.08 [a statistical weight]* expected points allowed) – points allowed. A positive marginal defense is good–it means the player is outperforming the expected points allowed. Each player’s marginal defense gets summed into the team’s marginal defense. DWS and OWS are determined by the total number of marginal points (marginal offense + marginal defense) and the ratio for each.

      If there were a total of 100 marginal points, 60 of them being offensive and 40 of them being defensive, OWS would be calculated by multiplying the team’s total Win shares (there are three win shares in a win) by .6.

      A player’s marginal defense is then compared as a ratio to the team’s total marginal defense, and that value is multiplied by the total defensive win shares in order to create a player’s DWS. Say the teams DWS is 50, and player x’s ratio of individual marginal defense to team marginal defense is .10. His DWS would then be 5.

      The metric turns on evaluating the difference between expected PPP league wide and actual PPP team wide and player wide. It also overvalues players who play on good defensive teams (conversely, it hurts players who play on bad teams), which makes it not very good at capturing individual defense.

    98. hm i made a few errors there and it wont let me edit, but the gist is there.

    99. Loving the teams energy tonight. Zinger looks like the real deal. Our PGs are good players for the first time in like 20 years.

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