Knicks Morning News (2016.11.05)

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose silences the haters as Knicks earn big win over Bulls
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 6:53:10 PM)

    CHICAGO — Boo this! Derrick Rose, the Chicago basketball icon, received more jeers than cheers during pregame introductions, but he and Joakim Noah made triumphant returns to United Center in terrific outings. As a result, the Knicks entered a train wreck and came out smelling like a rose. Remember that spiffy starting lineup Phil Jackson…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose envisions Knicks ring after whiffing with Bulls
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 12:24:34 PM)

    CHICAGO – Derrick Rose said his disappointment over not winning a title for the Bulls will now transfer to his vision of winning a title in New York. “For sure [it’s my regret], but the only thing I can do about that is I gave it my all,’’ said Rose, who played there for eight…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony: I’m not mad at Knicks on Instagram — yet
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 10:26:26 AM)

    CHICAGO – Carmelo Anthony said not to read any discontent into an Instagram post containing ominous-seeming lyrics from a song by the rapper Jeezy. The Knicks were off to a poor start, and the timing Thursday seemed meaningful. His album just came out,’’ Anthony said at United Center during the Friday morning shootaround before the…

  • [NY Newsday] Triangle could be hurting Knicks’ defense, too
    (Saturday, November 05, 2016 1:29:00 AM)

    CHICAGO — Jeff Hornacek said Courtney Lee may be on to something.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks top Bulls in return to Chicago for Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah
    (Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:19:47 AM)

    The Knicks bounced back from two poor defensive performances and put forth their most impressive game of the season Friday. With Rose and Noah clearly fired up for the game, the Knicks took down the Bulls, 117-104.

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony frustrated by Knicks’ early struggles
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 7:44:57 PM)

    As Derrick Rose makes his return to the Chicago, his one regret is that he never won an NBA championship for his hometown team. Carmelo Anthony hopes he won’t feel the same remorse whenever his Knicks career ends.

  • [NYDN] Knicks, Kristaps Porzingis finally wake up in win over Bulls
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 8:09:02 PM)

    It was the perfect homecoming for both Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah.

  • [NYDN] Rose, Noah receive warm welcome in return to Chicago
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 4:55:56 PM)

    Chicago signed free agents Dwyane Wade and Rajon Rondo to a roster and acquired Robin Lopez in the Rose deal.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony says ‘don’t overthink’ cryptic Instagram post
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 10:06:13 AM)

    The Knicks are 1-3 and Anthony shared a lyric about people not working to change their situation.

  • [ESPN] Life is good for Derrick Rose, Knicks in return to Chicago
    (Saturday, November 05, 2016 2:50:47 AM)

    Life is good for Derrick Rose, Knicks in return to Chicago

  • [ESPN] Rose, Noah get best of former Bulls teammates in reunion game
    (Saturday, November 05, 2016 1:38:25 AM)

    Rose, Noah get best of former Bulls teammates in reunion game

  • [ESPN] Rose: Fans’ boos in Chicago return were ‘all fun’
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 9:47:57 PM)

    Rose: Fans’ boos in Chicago return were ‘all fun’

  • [NYTimes] An Odd Homecoming Precedes a Knicks Road Win
    (Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:42:07 AM)

    The former Bulls Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah returned to Chicago on Friday night and were greeted by boos and cheers as they helped the Knicks win, 117-104.

  • [NYTimes] Russell Westbrook’s Hot Start Cooled by Kevin Durant’s Warriors
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 2:38:45 PM)

    The Thunder’s Westbrook has reacted frostily to the departure of Durant, who scored 39 points in the former teammates’ first meeting of the new season.

  • [NYTimes] Hornets 99, Nets 95: Nets Fall to Hornets’ Newfound Might
    (Saturday, November 05, 2016 3:06:42 AM)

    Kemba Walker scored a season-high 30 points on Friday night as the Charlotte Hornets improved their best start in 16 years to 4-1 by beating the Nets.

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose, Noah lead Knicks to win over Bulls in return to Chicago
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 10:32:14 PM)

    The Knicks defeated the Bulls in Chicago on Friday night, 117-104.

  • [SNY Knicks] TD’s 3 keys vs. the Chicago Bulls
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 8:21:26 PM)

    Here are the three keys to Friday’s game against the Bulls.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks players may be growing tired of the triangle offense
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 5:28:00 PM)

    Knicks players are growing tired of Phil Jackson’s fixation with modernizing his Triangle offense, which helped him win so many championships in Chicago and Los Angeles.

  • [SNY Knicks] Will return to Chicago serve as motivation for Rose and Noah?
    (Friday, November 04, 2016 8:36:42 AM)

    Spending the last eight seasons together in Chicago, Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah spearheaded a movement to bring the Bulls back to basketball relevancy. While the United Center truly felt like home for the Englewood raised Rose, Noah was quickly embraced as one of the city’s own following so much success. With the 31-year-old Noah coming home to the Big Apple and Rose joining for the ride, the roles are reversed.

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    95 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.11.05)”

    1. Nice win. Couple of things:
      KP had a great game on offense but his d and rebounding are not good. Stupid fouls too.
      CLee had an awesome game, set the tone early. I loved his game yesterday!
      Noah’s o and PnR w Rose looked promising, but we all know that can’t be counted on. Made the difference in this game, though.
      Rose drives me nuts. Between the oooh-aaah plays, there’s tons of wtf are u doing plays. Whatever, he played like a top 15-20 pg tonight, which is all we can ask for.
      Jennings also drives me nuts, I hate his game. But the Jennings-Rose pairing was interesting.
      Melo still looked slow, but slightly better than before, especially on D. Man do I when he holds the ball forever and forces a shitty shot or turns it over.
      Ndour wtf? Why no Kuz?
      I can’t take KOQ. Please trade him!
      Anyone who thinks the triangle is better than PnR for this team, or maybe any team in this day and age, is ready for the home.
      More love for the draft class of 2015: Booker and Looney. Thankfully, not Portis or Grant.

    2. Anyone who thinks the triangle is better than PnR for this team, or maybe any team in this day and age, is ready for the home.

      Seriously! Let’s hope that this is it for the Triangle. They can’t possibly go back to it now after this, can they?

    3. I sure hope not…it’s so painfully obvious…made even more painful by Hubie Brown’s commentary. I kid, I actually like Hubie for old time’s sake.

      Jackson is one stubborn egotistical sob though. The hope is that Horny is of such high character that it would look idiotic for Jackson to fire him just for rebelling against the triangle. Not to mention that the players seem to be suggesting that they hate it too. Another reason why I like Courtney Lee. How brilliant was it for him to say “we need to practice defending the PnR more…”?

    4. KP had a great game on offense but his d and rebounding are not good. Stupid fouls too.

      KP’s defensive rebounding, more precisely, is the problem. He gets pushed out of position by the man he’s boxing too easy. I doubt he will ever excel down low until he builds a stronger center of gravity. I also think his easy-going demeanor out there doesn’t help. Great defensive rebounders are fucking beasts. Charles Barkley comes to mind as a shorter 6’5 dude playing PF who went after def boards with pure ferocity.

      I will excuse KP’s defense for now because he’s active, just lost and unaware of how to defend the PnR and perimeter. He looks confounded out there in those situations. I wonder if anyone is helping him with that or what.

    5. Jackson is one stubborn egotistical sob though.

      Which is hilariously antithetical to the very philosophy of Zen he’s been known to preach. Instead of being rigidly dogmatic towards a discipline of basketball he should be fluid in his approach to adjust his vision to the personnel around him.

    6. How brilliant was it for him to say “we need to practice defending the PnR more…”?

      That really was like a master class in throwing shade.

    7. I have a hard time imaging Phil Jackson or anyone else complaining about an offense that produced 32 assists and only 5 turnovers (!!!!) last night. But we’ll see.

      Courtney Lee was low-key awesome. Always in the right place, playing good defense and hitting key shots. Like bizarro Afflalo.

      Noah is rarely going to score like that, but if he can settle into a happy medium between 16 points and 2 points, that’s fine.

      I was shocked to see that KP led the team in scoring. Imagine what he’d score if they really tried to feature him…

      Re: Carmelo Anthony, there’s a lot of complaining going on about someone who gave us 25, 6 and 4… he stopped the ball a few too many times trying to take Mirotic off the dribble but he hit the biggest shot of the game, so I’ll take it.

      Our bench is going to be a problem all year… I wish we had anything we could use to pry (the apparently “very available”) Nerlens Noel away from Philly. Our starting five can’t average 36 mpg each. But a tighter rotation right now might help them gel.

      I think this is the first game where the 2-PG unit got serious run and it wasn’t bad! Jennings, Rose, Lee, Melo and Noah held the fort when KP picked up his 5th foul.

      Lastly, anyone who thinks Rose isn’t still an elite athlete needs to get their EYE TEST checked. He’ll probably never be a high-efficiency scorer because he tries a few too many high-degree-of-difficulty layups and floaters, but he was dusting Rajon Rondo off the dribble whenever he wanted and blowing past everyone for coast-to-coast layups. I have to laugh at the posters here who say things like “Derrick Rose is not a scoring threat” as if this is a self-evident fact and not completely absurd. Rose may not be a high efficiency scorer, but when he gets into the paint (which seems to be whenever he wants), you’d better believe the defense collapses to stop him. There is huge value to that, period.

    8. I was shocked to see that KP led the team in scoring. Imagine what he’d score if they really tried to feature him…

      Imagine, indeed. He can score so easy when he’s offensively included and on point. Took less shots than Melo or Rose and put 27 of some of the easiest points you’ll see.

    9. How brilliant was it for him to say “we need to practice defending the PnR more

      Ingenious!! That may just be the blow which kills the Triangle once and for all … but… I fear it will survive much like those villains in the horror movies who never die – Triangle the 13th. Already this is a bit like Groundhog Day where Hornacek has replaced Fish but the plot is the same. But Courtney may just have earned every penny of his contract from that comment alone.

      All that said, I do think some Triangle-like Lite stuff utilizing Noah’s dishing ability makes some sense. The guy from BballBreakdown estimated Thibs used something like that about 1/3 of the time. Best not to be completely dependent on PnR.

    10. Anyone surprised how much better the team looked without Lance Thomas on the floor?

      Neither was I….

    11. Yup, there are some remaining issues but they also made a concerted effort to address some of their weaknesses last night. Overall, it was a commendable effort by our boys. I hope and pray that they use this game to build on. They looked happy and relieved by last nights results. No happier and relieved than I was though. I knew it would result in a short reprieve from the constant bleating of the posters who really hate this team.

      The Knicks obviously still have some work to do but this game will hopefully give them a better idea of the kind of effort they need to put forth to have a successful season THIS year. I’m hoping Rose (10+ assists) and Noah (Buckets!) especially didn’t just give this kind of effort for the “homecoming”. We have no hope of sniffing the playoffs if we don’t get this kind of game from them consistently.

      And thank God they made an effort to get KP going last night. His defense and rebounding are still a problem but at least his teammates and KP too, finally realized the guy is 7’3″ and can’t be guarded by almost anyone most teams will put on him. It was fantastic to seem him NOT rushing his jumper like someone was going to block it. It looked really fluid last night.

      Coach deserves a lot of credit as well. His second units were much better for the most part last night. One or two starters on with the reserves looked far more productive.

    12. Rose was a threat last night to shoot. More importantly, he rebounded really well, which we were in dire need of. Most of his rebounds were real 50/50 balls. His passing was excellent.

      I still don’t see how he can score efficiently without a three point shot, without a high ftr, or without a lot of transition buckets. But if he can rebound and pass like he did last night it won’t matter so much.

    13. Rose drives me nuts.

      He probably will soon drive Coach bonkers as well. One of the reasons cited for Phoenix’s drop-off in Hornacek’s second year was Bledsoe’s poor decision-making and hero ball. Perhaps Hornacek will have an important ally in Noah if Rose goes rogue to keep him on the reservation.

    14. Oh yeah, Grant is terrible. I’d rather have Noah than Lopez any day and Calderon? Ahahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahaha. Please!

    15. Rose looked just fine to me. I didn’t have a problem with most of the shots he took, he passed well, broke down his defender at will, defended his position, rebounded well, etc.

      Nothing much to criticize about last night’s effort. The guy brought it last night in a controlled way. I appreciate the fact that he let the game come to him and didn’t try to “prove” anything last night. It had to be really tempting to try to force things but he showed great restraint last night and played to WIN!

    16. We didn’t win that game last night with our new and improved defense. We won because Noah, Lee and Zinger were great on offense. Looking for Porzingis on offense and getting Noah to cut to the hoop were both positive signs. On the negative side, Rose and to a lesser extent Melo continue to miss lots of shots and we played our starters too many minutes. We need to find a 4th guard and a backup big. Kyle didn’t try to get back on D once last night leading to an easy transition bucket for the Bulls and that was about it for his night.

    17. Tyson Chandler didn’t have a great base either so he mastered the tip-out. He was a pure C so rebounding was more important to his game, but when Porzingis is at the 5 he needs to focus more on out-finessing guys using his height/reach and tipping the ball rather than outmuscling shorter, stronger guys, getting pushed around like a rag doll and then reaching and fouling.

    18. Chandler is a fascinating case – he really came into the league so relatively tiny! It’s amazing he developed the way he did. I mean, he was super young, of course, but still.

    19. One thing I’m starting to see with Porzingis is that he’s working on that one go-to move in the post that’s impossible to contest w/o fouling, a la Dirk, Duncan, and other great post scorers He seems to be settling on the turnaround slight-fade. Right now he’s missing too many, but if he develops that, it will open up a lot of other stuff for him. I like how he’s getting to the line in those situations.

      Again, PnR helps creates the mismatches that he can exploit in those situations. You can still screen off the ball, but when he purely posts it seems like smaller guys can push him out far enough to neutralize that option.

    20. Nice to see our PG’s getting the rebound and pushing the ball up the floor. Jennings is 3rd on the team in DRB% and we’re currently 17th in fast break PPG. If we can find another scoring wing(KUZ) that number should go up.

    21. One thing I’m starting to see with Porzingis is that he’s working on that one go-to move in the post that’s impossible to contest w/o fouling, a la Dirk, Duncan, and other great post scorers He seems to be settling on the turnaround slight-fade.

      To me he’s already shown the foundations of a nice postup move on that Garnett Shoulder Fake. He just needs to have confidence in it.

    22. @22 I’m probably being too hard on Jennings, he did hid a big 3 and pushed the tempo. He also gets to the line (FTr=.531, compared to Rose’s .123). He’s another guy that is horribly suited for the pure triangle.

    23. A Perfect Day for a Knicks fan

      Before this game Bulls were 3-1 and Knicks were 1-3.

      The Bulls had an impressive start for their kind of tricky-aged-roster and they also had 2 players ready for revenge, 2+Holiday ready to Boo + the Home advantage.

      The Knicks had triangle,chemistry,effort issues and one more defeat would had made things even harder than they were already.

      That’s why this W was crucial, sweet and also a statement:

      “Don’t send us no flowers, we ain’t dead yet”

      Thank You Knicks

    24. Chicago had 50boards per game and grabbed just 42 against the worst rebounding team [nyk] who grabbed its usual 40per game.
      IF That and making them play hero-wade-3ball most of the game on their home floor are not part of a good D then what are they ?
      Luck ?

    25. Remember when Rondo was one of the best defensive points in the league? Trading for Rose was a bad idea but it was probably better than signing Rondo to a long term deal.

    26. That’s why Chicago starting off well irked me, because they did almost the exact thing the Knicks did this offseason, build an old mediocre team without much upside.

    27. There will always be long-term concerns, but both Rose and Noah looked healthy and spry (relative to recent concerns, not compared to their peak years) and both played extended minutes. Rose may not be “good” or “consistent” enough to justify the trade, but he sure seems healthy enough.

    28. On a personal note, I will be running my first (and last) marathon tomorrow at age 58. Of course, the worst part will be missing the game. Send me some good KB karma, I’ll need it! And Jowles, don’t be out there setting me up with cups of bleach…

    29. KP looked amazing on offense. I wish he would stop falling for pump fakes though. Just putting his arms up would consistently create tough shots for opponents. Him just putting his hands up creates the height other players get from jumping to contest without much risk of fouling.

    30. @33
      Good luck, Z-man. I’m thinking about trying a 10K run at some point, but not a marathon.

      Very fun game to watch with only Wade’s ridiculous shooting and the Bulls’ offensive rebounding keeping the game close. I thought the Knicks did a pretty good job defending Wade, but do need to work on the boxing out, etc.

      Let’s hope that the positives can be somewhat sustained in tomorrow’s game and that this is not just a fluke one game b/c of Rose and Noah’s motivation. Lee and KP both showed that they deserve the ball more.

      After an awful first game, Lee’s is now posting very good and efficient scoring/shooting stats. Still very small sample, though.

    31. Anyone who thinks the triangle is better than PnR for this team, or maybe any team in this day and age, is ready for the home.

      Correct… they should run the pick and pop with Bazingis every single trip down the floor. Totally unstoppable. A 7’3″ screener with a high release and fluid stroke from well behind the arc is a 3 point Kareem sky hook. There is nothing the defense can do to bother him other than abandon the guard completely and allow him to drive every time.

      The guy is a gift from the basketball GODS.

    32. Two very telling comments from D-Rose last night…

      Before the game when asked if he felt like he was a good teamate in Chicago: “forget that…I’m a good person”

      I gotta be honest – i appreciated that comment quite a bit..he sounded sincere and consistent with what he’s been saying for years…

      After the game he stated that the team was better off with him attacking the rim…hmmmmm, that doesn’t sound very triangle like…

      however, I completely agree…the only concern being every time D-Rose goes up in the air, then lands – it looks really awkward and scary…stay healthy young man…

    33. Jordan and Kobe had no problems attacking the rim from the triangle. The Knicks would be better if Rose started actually putting the ball in the bucket or stopped shooting so much.

    34. Kobe and Jordan did it from the shooting guard position, D-Rose gave me the impression that was how he wanted to initiate the offense…

      Phil had to know that was what he was getting with rose and jennings…

      personally – i think we’d be better off running everything going through KP’S at the post…

    35. Yeah, KOQs play last night was a perfect example of why he hasn’t been trusted with big minutes so far in his career. He really really needs to focus on both ends and get his act together. He can really help this team but…

    36. On a personal note, I will be running my first (and last) marathon tomorrow at age 58. Of course, the worst part will be missing the game. Send me some good KB karma, I’ll need it! And Jowles, don’t be out there setting me up with cups of bleach…

      way to go z-man!!!!

    37. still not so crazy about his game – but, I gotta admit, KOQ has really worked hard this off season to get himself in really good shape…now If he can just learn to play basketball…

    38. Jordan initiated the Bulls offense. The job of the pg was to bring the ball up to the frontcourt, give it to Jordan and get out of the way

    39. Melo doesn’t have the burst to ignite the offense anymore. He’s very reliant on that jumper, which comes goes.

    40. So let’s examine Phil’s trade with the Bulls after seeing them play face to face, Noah vs. Lopez..no contest (this was the end result of the trade). Rose vs. Calderon…no contest. Holiday vs. Grant..no contest. Plus we got a draft pick too!

    41. Pretty weird to watch the Warriors miss 3 after 3 last night. I know that’s just something that happens to 3 point shooting reliant teams, but it feels like Steph especially never had a bad game last season.

    42. Larry Nance Jr. is looking very good this year

      As does Julius Randle (who’s only 21!)

    43. Lance had a monstrous dunk over poor old David West that’s worth looking up if you didn’t see it.

    44. On a personal note, I will be running my first (and last) marathon tomorrow

      Bon chance! I know you would at least finish ahead of Cole Aldrich. Will you be bedecked in one of Kurylo’s T-shirts?

    45. Good luck Z-man! A few tips if you don’t already know them. Start out considerably slower than you would for a 5K or 10K. Drink sports drinks and water early on even if you are not thirsty. Don’t wear new shoes or socks (greater chance of blisters). Eat sensibly for YOUR system (conservative foods). Carb loading is best done 2 and 3 days before the race. Too much pasta the night before will put you in the port-a-Johny line before the race. Again, best of luck!

      Advice from an experienced runner/marathoner who represented the USA in the World Masters Cross-Country championships and was 3 time New England mountain running champion.

    46. Agreed on the trade. The Knicks finally got the better of a deal. Grant was atrocious in his few minutes. Noah is, was and will be better than Lopez and Rose v. Calderon? Gimme a break.

      Knicks win! Knicks Wiiiiiiinnnnn!!!

    47. The Bulls also shed a bunch of salary with that trade though, while Derrick “I Miss Lots Of Shots” Rose eats a hefty amount of our payroll.

    48. I guess we could have done nothing at the PG position or wasted our money on Rondo or paid $35 mil per for Conley. I guess.

    49. The Bulls also shed a bunch of salary with that trade though, while Derrick “I Miss Lots Of Shots” Rose eats a hefty amount of our payroll.

      I’m not sure about that. Rose comes off the books in 2017, while Lopez is on until 2018 albeit on a reasonable contract. They also took on Calderon’s money and used a 2nd round draft pick in order to get the Lakers to take him.

    50. The Bulls also shed a bunch of salary with that trade though, while Derrick “I Miss Lots Of Shots” Rose eats a hefty amount of our payroll.

      No they didn’t. They took on Lopez who has a contract through 2019 and then had to ship out 2 second rounders to get Calderon off the cap.

    51. Only seems to get involved if he can impress you guys with analysis of why the team sucks proving him right right right!

      I’m just praying that Rose, Noah et al continue to put forth good efforts and the team gains some momentum. As an actual fan of the team, I truly enjoy the wins and solid effort. Some consistency would be nice and I fully anticipate that the team will hit its stride in a month or so.

      Except for Wade’s first half and OQ doing the OQ, last night was pretty good. Horny switching things up a bit really gave me hope that he might actually know what he’s doing and PJ has given him the latitude to do what he feels will work given the personnel he has.

    52. On a personal note, I will be running my first (and last) marathon tomorrow at age 58. Of course, the worst part will be missing the game. Send me some good KB karma, I’ll need it! And Jowles, don’t be out there setting me up with cups of bleach…

      Good luck!

    53. this is like the 5th post in a row where clyde’s suit has mentioned that he’s an actual fan

    54. So it took the hater contingent about 18 hours to recover from this awesome win and pipe back up, I see ;)

    55. Nah, I’m pretty happy with how the team looked last night. I can make my peace with this team if they play something similar to that, even if I think the way they built this team is short-sighted and stupid.

      16 games left before the 20 game complaining mark!

    56. Wow, primers on psychology today!

      What are the current theories on why people post regularly on sports blogs?

    57. I just want to have paid my dues and have some people to celebrate with when the Knicks finally win.

      But that’s never happening.

    58. The idea that people who support misguided attempts at 45 wins are “real fans” while people who would like to see a long-term plan for contention are “haters” is truly bizarre.

    59. I’m about to crack open a cold beer, look at some statistics and laugh at the trolls and the haters.

    60. Speaking of laughing at the haters…

      The Process is 4-4 from three tonight and might get his first NBA win against the World Champions.

    61. They have a guy named Timothe who I believe was featured in a Key and Peele sketch.

      And they have Sergio Rodriguez, aka, the Wall of San Cristobal

    62. Yo…,.Embiid may be better than Towns. Imagine if they picked Staps instead of Jahill. This guy may be a legend no bullshit. He’s a terror on D and is out here making post moves and hitting threes as a rookie. Holy Shit

    63. Embiid is an absolute turnover machine right now. That’s understandable, because he’s barely played organized basketball. He’s got tons of talent though. Huge dude and he already seems to know how to play defense.

    64. Courtney Lee is the low usage superstar the Knicks need. He’s so much better than Afflalo it’s ridiculous.

      KP and Courtney Lee should be the #1 and #2 option off Derrick Rose assists. I think if everybody gets the flow of the game through Rose (who should mainly distribute and attack hard closeouts), the offense has a real chance. I liked the way the Knicks looked last night, but it is of note that the Bulls are not a team that looks to push the tempo. We can beat teams like the Grizzlies and Bulls all day; I wanna see us beat Houston the next time we play them. I don’t wanna see us lose to teams with inferior talent because spread P&R >> Triangle Offense. If we abandon the triangle except for during out-of-time-out situations the offense will be much improved.

      I also hope we can get the starters’ minutes down to an average of 33 MPG. Riding Courtney Lee, the team’s most efficient scorer, for 41 minutes isn’t a good way to sustain success. Melo and Rose with 36 and 38 also shouldn’t happen.

    65. Lastly, anyone who thinks Rose isn’t still an elite athlete needs to get their EYE TEST checked. He’ll probably never be a high-efficiency scorer because he tries a few too many high-degree-of-difficulty layups and floaters, but he was dusting Rajon Rondo off the dribble whenever he wanted and blowing past everyone for coast-to-coast layups. I have to laugh at the posters here who say things like “Derrick Rose is not a scoring threat” as if this is a self-evident fact and not completely absurd. Rose may not be a high efficiency scorer, but when he gets into the paint (which seems to be whenever he wants), you’d better believe the defense collapses to stop him. There is huge value to that, period.

      +1 and thanks. He probably has more layups already than Calderon had all season last year. He’s also an excellent passer. He may prove to be inconsistent but I’ve been very pleasantly surprised given what I was expecting from reading this board and I can really see him getting better as he gets time to run the offense and settle in. I think KP6 will improve on defense as well, figure out his rotations, stop biting on shot fakes and become a prolific shot blocker.

      The idea that people who support misguided attempts at 45 wins are “real fans” while people who would like to see a long-term plan for contention are “haters” is truly bizarre.

      I think this could be a decent team this year with some significant upside in the future. I think claims of shortsightedness are shortsighted. There are a bunch of prospects on the bench, draft picks and cap flexibility into the future. Plus a team that could be very fun to watch this season.

    66. I think this could be a decent team this year with some significant upside in the future. I think claims of shortsightedness are shortsighted. There are a bunch of prospects on the bench, draft picks and cap flexibility into the future. Plus a team that could be very fun to watch this season.

      What’s the future upside? Melo is 32. Noah is 31. Lee is 31. Rose is Rose. Logic dictates that this year is likely going to be the best one they all have together. We do have our picks, but since we insist on being mediocre they’re statistically unlikely to move the needle much. I love KP and he alone provides hope, but nailing one draft pick just isn’t sufficient. The Pelicans fuckin’ suck and they hit it out of the park! When any of our “prospects” actually plays well over a period of time that isn’t, like, 7 minutes of one game maybe my calculus will change. But that hasn’t happened.

    67. I’m not sure I’m down with NYK being a “trust the process” franchise. I like a team with veterans on it. I want us to be .500 this season and to get better next year by leveraging the shit out of what flexibility we have. I think whatever level you’re on as a franchise, the quality of your decisions going forward is what makes the difference. A few years ago GSW was pretty good with Monte Ellis and they made the Bogut trade which opened things up for Steph. They drafted Draymond. SAS has made great picks from down in the draft. They have great coaching and role players. I’ll take a competitive team now with some chance to improve a little to a lot and I’ll trust Jax to take the swing.

      Worst case scenario this year we’re in the lottery again and have a 21 million dollar FA gift certificate. The players you mentioned have been excellent their whole careers and lots of players remain productive in their early thirties.

    68. I’ve already begun plotting to trade Noah for Klay Thompson on December 15th as the first move in my master plan to get the disgruntled Anthony Davis.

    69. I’ve already begun plotting to trade Noah for Klay Thompson on December 15th as the first move in my master plan to get the disgruntled Anthony Davis.

      DRed for GM ’17

    70. As angry as Anthony Davis is, there is zero reason for the Pelicans to trade him. You can suck while he’s on your team (hard to do but they’re doing it), he’s in the first year of a contract extension, and he’s still only 23 years old. If he gets traded that goes to show you how little stock we should put into “trust what front offices know about things.” If I’m San Antonio I’m trading everything except Kawhi Leonard. Kawhi and AD would be about as unfair as it gets.

      I do think Paul George gets traded though. The Pacers are going to be worse than us and they may pull the plug and decide to build around Myles Turner. I just hope no superstar goes to Boston. Screw that team.

    71. Knicks will probably get thumped today. Then I’ll feel like an idiot. That’s how it is to be a Knicks fan. This team is meant to succeed this year and I’ll be disappointed (and surprised though nothing bad surprises me really) if they’re not around .500 and competing for the playoffs.

      That being said, I think the CHI win was a huge one and confirmed that the K’s and their much maligned starting PG have a chance to make us happy this season.

      The worst thing, though, is to be a lottery team without a pick. How many years have we seen this? Or to have players on big deals with zero trade trade value. Or to be capped out with zero ability to change a roster. Or to have no foundational talent. I think Phil has done a pretty good job of building / mitigating risk.

    72. Another test for the Knicks 3pt defense. Jazz have been on fire from 3 and Hayward returns today.

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