Knicks Morning News (2016.04.18)

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Monday's Knicks Links: Walton declines Jackson's offer (Mon, 18 Apr 2016 05:12:26 EST)

    Monday's Knicks Links: Walton declines Jackson's offer

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love Make Fulfilling Playoff Returns (Mon, 18 Apr 2016 03:42:10 GMT)

    Both players had been knocked out of the playoffs with injuries last year.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Rout Blazers 115-95 With 3 Double-Doubles in Game 1 (Mon, 18 Apr 2016 06:48:46 GMT)

    Blake Griffin is back to his old ferocious self just in time for the playoffs.

  • [New York Times] Blowouts Were Everywhere on Sunday in the NBA Playoffs (Mon, 18 Apr 2016 06:36:33 GMT)

    Sunday was a truly rare day in NBA history.

  • [New York Times] Warriors, Thunder Seek 2-0 Leads, Raptors Try to Bounce Back (Mon, 18 Apr 2016 06:27:44 GMT)

    Golden State’s Stephen Curry and the Toronto Raptors have provided a little early NBA playoff drama for teams returning to the court Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Paul Scores 28 as Clippers Beat Trail Blazers (Mon, 18 Apr 2016 05:39:27 GMT)

    Chris Paul scored 28 points, dished out 11 assists and grabbed six rebounds, leading the Los Angeles Clippers to a 115-95 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers in Game 1 of a Western Conference quarterfinal playoff series Sunday night at Staples Center.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Dominate Grizzles in Opener (Mon, 18 Apr 2016 04:48:27 GMT)

    Defense carried San Antonio to the second-best record in the NBA this season but it’s likely to be the Spurs’ ability to get the most out of their offensive opportunities that will be the key for a push for a sixth championship since 1999.

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    1. OK then:

      Phil Jackson @PhilJackson11

      Press accounts of coaching actions are untrue. Nobody has been asked nobody said no.


      (…TRYING TO CONTINUE POLICY OF NOT LISTENING TO ANYTHING THE PRESS OR PHIL JACKSON SAYS…)

    2. “Hello, Luke? It’s Phil Jack-”
      *click*

      *redial*

      “Hello, Luke? It’s Phil Jackson. I think we got cut off–”
      *click*

      “Hmmm.”

      *pulls out iPhone, opens Twitter*

      @PhilJackson11 Press accounts of coaching actions are untrue. Nobody has been asked nobody said no.

    3. Man, Phil’s really something else, huh?

      He’s the quantum GM–you can never know him and his positions at the same time.

    4. @FisolaNYDN Luke Walton, according to NBA source, told P Jackson that as of right now he’s not interested in NYK job. Unclear if/when they’ll talk again

      @PhilJackson11 Press accounts of coaching actions are untrue. Nobody has been asked nobody said no.

      ?@FisolaNYDN FYI: no one reported Luke Walton was offered the job. You can let it be known you’re not that interested in a job without it being offered.

      Why do we ever listen to Isola? Or Berman?

    5. If Walton is dumb enough to want to leave the Warriors for a three-quarter-year stint as Knicks coach, I don’t want him here.

    6. From ESPN-NY:

      New York is in no rush to make a hire, a source told Broussard, because the team has zero picks in this year’s draft.

      What. the. F*ck.

      The draft is ONE FREAKING WEEK before FA starts. Are we not even considering trades or acquiring draft picks with $$$$? Holy. Sh*t.

    7. Taking the old groucho marx approach to the coach search. Anyone who’d want to coach here has some judgment issues by default.

    8. New York is in no rush to make a hire, a source told Broussard, because the team has zero picks in this year’s draft.

      Translation: Brian Shaw will still be available whenever we decide to pick up the phone and offer him the job, so what’s the rush?

    9. Chris Broussard (“my sources say….”) hasn’t been right about anything since basically forever. At least Stephen A. can always hang his hat on the LeBron to Miami scoop, Broussard just throws shit out there and hopes someday the proverbial blind squirrel will get the nut.

    10. “a source told Broussard”
      I think that Broussard has the same “sources” as SAS, Berman and Isola — i.e., their own fertile imaginations. I think that history has shown that anything that any of those four guys reports has about a 75% chance of being completely made up.

    11. New York is in no rush to make a hire, a source told Broussard, because the team has zero picks in this year’s draft.

      Should be:

      “Coaches are in no rush to take the Knicks job, a source told a bitter, stupid homophobe, because the team has zero picks in this year’s draft.”

    12. I’m more inclined to believe Berman and SAS since Isola and the Knicks hate each other. Melo’s CAA connects make me believe SAS when it comes to the Knicks (really when it has to do with Melo’s perspective on things) and Berman has had sources on the Knicks recently. Broussard and Isola? I’ll never really believe what they say.

    13. Looks like Thibs is going to end up in Minnesota. That’s a great job and situation. Towns, Dieng, Wiggins, and Rubio are a great defensive core, and are all still so young. He might even turn Shabazz Muhammed into a passable defender.

    14. Thibodeau is apparently aggressively pursuing full team control of the Timberwolves. Now we know there’s no chance of becoming the Knicks’ head coach.

    15. Did anyone see TNT’s Gone Fish’n segment last night? The Laker one was hilarious.

    16. Wiggins is a shit defender-he just looks like he should be good. But I wouldn’t be shocked if Thibs can figure out how to utilize him

      And towns-imagine if the Bulls had a Jo Noah who could shoot?

    17. Thibodeau is apparently aggressively pursuing full team control of the Timberwolves. Now we know there’s no chance of becoming the Knicks’ head coach.

      This is the number one reason why all the Thibs talk was total nonsense all along. There’s no way that a guy looking for that kind of situation and a GM who wants to be heavily involved in the coaching end of thing could co-exist.

      As far as the reports that Phil isn’t in a rush to hire a coach before a draft, I think it’s much ado about nothing, and I say that as a serious Phil skeptic. Phil has made it pretty obvious that for better or worse he’s building the kind of team that he likes, and then trying to get a coach who can get the best out of that kind of team, most likely down to running the exact system Phil wants. Regardless of who ends up the coach here I can’t imagine any chance that they would seriously alter Phil’s team-building plans, or have a significant voice in that process.

    18. Wiggins is a shit defender-he just looks like he should be good. But I wouldn’t be shocked if Thibs can figure out how to utilize him

      I wouldn’t be shocked if a hyper-talented 21 year old improved no matter who his coach was.

    19. Phil has made it pretty obvious that for better or worse he’s building the kind of team that he likes, and then trying to get a coach who can get the best out of that kind of team, most likely down to running the exact system Phil wants. Regardless of who ends up the coach here I can’t imagine any chance that they would seriously alter Phil’s team-building plans, or have a significant voice in that process.

      This is probably true, but again, it shows the weakness of Phil’s approach. How many coaches are there on Planet Earth that will run Phil’s exact system and don’t care about having a voice in any kind of team-building process? There are about two people on Planet Earth I can think of, and those are Kurt Rambis and Brian Shaw. For all of his talk of Zen and all that hippie crap, Phil sure is a closed-minded control freak.

    20. Funny about these coaches that need full control. As I heard on the radio this morning, people forget Stan VG was offered the Warriors job, but wanted more control and so the owner’s passed. I wonder if Stan would look at that decision again.

      And while I love Thibs the coach, if he is anything like Doc Rivers is at the GM thing, I would pass on the total package.

    21. Leonard wins another DPotY. Man, if Curry hadn’t gone supernova all season, he probably could have won that and the MVP. I wonder what it’s like to have a player like that that also seems really easy to root for.

    22. @22

      I don’t dismiss millionaire athletes for spending the money they’ve earned, but there is something endearing about a guy with a $94M contract living in a 2BR apartment and driving a truck he bought in high school. Also he is the very goodest at basketball.

    23. I saw some people on the twitters freaking out that some writers had Dray outside the top 3. Given the paucity of reliable data on defensive impact, is it really that crazy to have a ballot that was, I dunno, Kawhi, Gobert, Jordan, Green?

    24. For all of his talk of Zen and all that hippie crap, Phil sure is a closed-minded control freak.

      I’m not sure if he’s a control freak overall as much as he just wants to sit in the coach’s chair in a lot of ways. I have no idea what kind of micromanaging he’s doing in other areas of a GM’s responsibility, but I suspect it’s a lot less. I just think that in a lot of ways he seems to have interpreted his job as something akin to a Senior Head Coach or something like that, where he’s not actually the guy doing a lot of the day to day coaching stuff, but he’s still wanting to be doing a lot of the big picture coaching things that would fall to the head coach in most other orgs, particularly in terms of setting the stylistic agenda.

      That’s why it’s no surprise to me that those leaks came out about Phil having at least considered trying to coach only the home games. I suspect that in Phil’s mind that wouldn’t actually be all that big a change for either he or Rambis in terms of how he sees their roles. Phil is Senior Head Coach and Rambis is Junior Head Coach. If I’m the Junior Head of Marketing and the Senior Head of Marketing decides to step in and run the big presentation every now and then that wouldn’t seem strange.

    25. I saw some people on the twitters freaking out that some writers had Dray outside the top 3. Given the paucity of reliable data on defensive impact, is it really that crazy to have a ballot that was, I dunno, Kawhi, Gobert, Jordan, Green?

      You’re absolutely correct, but even if defensive information was amazing freaking out about a guy not being a unanimous pick would be incredibly dumb. The whole reason to have a voting panel is to get a diversity of viewpoints. Some people watch more Eastern Conference games and some people watch more Western Conference. Some people are partial to guards, and other to bigs. Some people like box score stats and some like plus/minus stuff and some like the tracking data and some people I’m sure look at things I don’t even know about. I always thought the whole idea is that you get a big group of those people voting and their various biases mostly cancel out and you get to some kind of consensus. If you want unanimous results just pick the one smartest basketball guy and let him choose all the awards.

    26. I’m not sure if he’s a control freak overall as much as he just wants to sit in the coach’s chair in a lot of ways.

      This seems right. Although it’s impossible to say from the outside, KP seems like he might be an example of Phil delegating trust (to Clarence Gaines especially). But the close-minded part does seem right. Tweeting about 3 point shooting last year in the playoffs and then retweeting the most hare-brained analytic attempt ever written was just unadulterated cognitive dissonance. And when you white knuckle a system that basically excludes every smart coaching prospect alive today, it’s more of the same. When you’re closed-minded about something and respond to criticism with half-baked attempts at snark, you’re gonna come off as a control freak even that’s not really the right diagnosis.

    27. 1. Broussard and Steven A Smith should be on ignore at all times because they don’t know anything about basketball and have no sources in NY.

      2. Berman has some sources, but he knows very little about basketball. So you can listen to him when he quotes sources but totally ignore him if he’s expressing anything even close to an opinion or belief.

      3. Isola has no sources and is so bitter, you might as well block him even though he does know basketball.

      4. Tommy Dee is the basketball anti-Christ. He pretends to have sources and basketball knowledge he does not have. Reality is usually the opposite of whatever he reports on blogs or on twitter.

    28. I saw some people on the twitters freaking out that some writers had Dray outside the top 3. Given the paucity of reliable data on defensive impact, is it really that crazy to have a ballot that was, I dunno, Kawhi, Gobert, Jordan, Green?

      The interesting thing is whether Green makes 1st team all-NBA. Can he be selected as the Center? He’s technically listed as a PF, but plays more minutes at the 5.

      Who gets left off the 1st team?:

      Curry
      Westbrook
      Green
      Durant
      Leonard
      LeBron

      That’s 2 pg and 4 forwards. Seems silly to have Drummond or Jordan on the 1st team and leave two of the forwards off. But the slot is reserved for a C.

    29. 4. Tommy Dee is the basketball anti-Christ. He pretends to have sources and basketball knowledge he does not have. Reality is usually the opposite of whatever he reports on blogs or on twitter.

      Several years ago, Tommy Dee wrote an article on The Knicks Blog arguing that the Knicks (a) sign Lamar Odom and (b) start him at shooting guard. I think it might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read about anything. It was so stupid, I can’t go back to TKB even though I’m pretty sure Tommy Dee doesn’t write there anymore.

    30. Our little penguin is torching the thunder. Despite the fact that he can’t go a possession without falling down

    31. Who gets left off the 1st team?:

      Curry
      Westbrook
      Green
      Durant
      Leonard
      LeBron

      Green’s definitely not making it over the other guys so he’s off. I think it’ll be Curry-Westbrook-Durant-Lebron-Drummon which means Kawhi doesn’t make it.

    32. Durant is 6-31. Probably the worst shooting night in playoff history

      Edit: make that 7-32

    33. Wow what an end in OKC.
      In other news, Phil and Ram is are reportedly running a post season triangle mini-camp.

    34. Cue the hot takes. Hopefully the daily oklahoman doesn’t learn its lesson and kd leaves to join… oh wait, never mind

    35. just checked twitter to see reactions to OKC-MAVS ending and in between 1000 NBA types saying holy shit, Isola is obliviously rain-man monologuing a rehash of the great Luke Walton interview that may or may not have been. Gotta admit though, I laughed when he wrote the Knicks can’t even properly fake a coaching search.

    36. Rick Carlyle is such an amazing coach he made KD brick a ton of open looks, it’s amazing how badly he out coached Billy Donovan. Carlyle is like, a literally a genius.

    37. DeRozan’s playoffs so far are the inverse of the NCAA tournament effect. He’s about to scare some team away from making a huge mistake and max’ing him. Of course, that just means a different team will make a big mistake and max him.

    38. KD led the Thunder in points, I don’t understand why everyone’s so mad????

      if he didn’t take those shots other people would have had to take harder shots because he is a shot creator

    39. I think DeRozan is still worth the max as it is now. I think Batum is worth the max and I have DeRozan on the same tier of this summer’s free agents – DeRozan is a better driver, less versatile defender, and almost as good at passing. The cap is going to skyrocket to match the NBA’s current $24 billion TV deal when the CBA is up for renewal in a couple of years. A max contract next summer is an fair value in 2 years.

    40. I think DeRozan is still worth the max as it is now.

      Man, I think he’ll be a terrible max (though I agree he will be max’d). I don’t even think he’s worth the Max right now — he’s a shitty defender and he can’t shoot. He’s so good at getting to the line that it makes him an okay player, but I think guys like Batum and Horford are at least one level better. But even this is misleading, because though DeRozan is only 27 next year his main skill has by far the worst aging curve of any basketball trait. His awesome FTA/36 will very likely start declining pretty soon, and with nothing to fall back on there’s a pretty reasonable chance that he is not even a valuable rotation player by the time he is 30 years old. That’s a huge liability for any team given that he’s nothing special as is.

    41. Raptors last two years per 100/poss

      Both DD and Lowry on: +4.2
      Both off: +3.0
      Lowry on DD off: +7.2
      DD on Lowry off: -2.4

    42. The cap is going to skyrocket to match the NBA’s current $24 billion TV deal when the CBA is up for renewal in a couple of years. A max contract next summer is an fair value in 2 years.

      Unless the CBA changes things dramatically, next offseason will be the end of the TV deal money, when the cap goes up to roughly $108 million from the roughly $91 million it will be this year. That’s definitely a leap, but a smaller leap than from last year to this year. I wouldn’t be shocked, though, if the new CBA has a provision to ease the cap jump (the same thing the owners tried to do for this offseason, but the players told them to go screw when the owners didn’t offer any incentive to do it – the owners will have more leverage during a CBA negotiation).

    43. As for the sources debate, I believe all of them but Broussard have actual sources (by “all of them,” I mean SAS, Isola and Berman), the issue is that all of them have their own biased interpretations of the information they get from their sources, and part of that comes from who their source is. SAS’ sources are likely from Melo’s agency, so they have their own angle. Berman’s sources tend to be from MSG higher-ups, so they have their own angle. I don’t know who Isola’s sources are, but it can be clear that they, too, have their own angle.

      As for whether Isola does have sources, he was the one who nailed the “Phil and Kurt are doing special Triangle training with the players during the offseason” story first. So the guy does have sources, he just also has his own particular bias (clearly, Isola was who Charley Rosen was talking about when he made his Jeff Van Gundy comment, as Isola lurves Van Gundy and everyone from Van Gundy’s coaching tree – the annoying thing is that Isola’s love is part of the reason Dolan doesn’t want to touch the Van Gundy coachin tree, so Isola’s love for them actually actively hurts them with Dolan, since a few of them were leaks to Isola back in the day and Dolan still holds a grudge). .

    44. This whole “extra triangle training” thing makes the team look like a fucking joke, and Phil comes off like a real asshole waving his 11 championships around whenever anybody questions the eternal awesomeness of the triangle.

      Phil was a great coach in his day, but he is going to leave this situation looking like a buffoon, with his reputation in tatters. He bit off more than he could chew here. This is not going to end well. He is so obsessed with proving that his stupid fucking Triangle offense is the best way in the world to play basketball, and he is so dead wrong.

    45. Insisting on a pure triangle offense in 2016, and pooh-poohing the value of three-point shooting and the pick and roll is kind of like being a baseball GM in 1999 and trying to build your team around guys who bunt and steal bases a lot. That shit might have worked real good in 1968 when the strike zone was huge and runs were super scarce, but in 1999 the guys hitting three run home runs are going to kick your ass.

    46. What I don’t get is…

      A. He didn’t even invent the Triangle
      B. Who the hell cares about the Triangle? What I mean is, did anyone ever give Phil Jackson shit over the Triangle? Before he took over the Knicks, the guy seemed to get nearly universal praise. So why the chip on the shoulder?

    47. Phil knows what he’s doing. Stop joining the drive-bye press in these incessant attacks and allow him to build this team correctly.

    48. Yeah Phil knows his stuff. There’s still upside – plenty of real hopeful things to draw upon. We could (should) have a better team next year. A Melo/Kristaps led triangle actually makes sense. Phil is definitely going all in on his system.

      That probably means Rambis. And if the players are not responding to Rambis or drinking Phil’s koolaid it feels like it will be a disaster.

    49. DeRozan at the max would be a quintessential Isiah move and a total disaster. It would a) probably give Melo the cover he needs to not waive his NTC and b) take up most of our cap space and c) not make the team all that good. So basically we should all bet on it happening.

      As for Phil, this is becoming a huge joke. No coach with any kind of credibility wants to come here to be a lackey for a guy who wants to call all of the coaching shots without actually doing any of the coaching. It won’t be long until the Phil Jackson Era is referred to just as derisively as all of our other disastrous eras of the past 40 years or so.

    50. I don’t know guys, Zach Lowe likes DeRozan. I would prefer signing Batum. However, that doesn’t mean that DeRozan must be shit upon because he’s a score-first player. This season he averages the most drives in the league and is 2nd in FTA to only James Harden. Also, his defense is league average (picture today’s Dwyane Wade), not horrific. He does everything else well besides 3 point shooting. The Knicks are so hard up for talent everywhere on the team that anyone of DeRozan’s quality would add wins.

      @25 I don’t believe baseball is a good analogy for the Triangle. Small ball and station-to-station offenses emphasizing power/patience/getting on base have coexisted for a long time in baseball. Earl Weaver managed the Orioles in the 70s and his mantra was “pitching, defense, and the three-run homer.” It’s not like either the the ’98-’00 Yankees won their championships using some kind of outdated dinosaur strategy.

    51. Zach Lowe thought signing Jason Smith was a good idea.

      DeRozen would add wins, but it’s not that difficult to add wins to a 32 win team. In a vaccum he’d be fine, but his FTr is probably about to start declining (because of his age) and if he can’t improve his shooting that’s going to really hurt his value. He can’t shoot 3s, he shoots sub 50% on his twos, so if he’s not getting to the line a lot he’s not going to score efficiently unless he develops a shot (which is possible, obviously). That’s not a risk the Knicks should take at this stage of the team’s development.

    52. I’d rather have a guy at 5m who shoots 40% from 3, plays defense, and who is a net + than Double D at 20m+ who’s been a net minus every year but one. Grant/Lance/Melo/KP/Lopez would be a fine starting lineup. Grant/Melo/KP and Lopez (55% on hook shot) are more than enough shot creators. We need a guy who will knock down 3s and play D. If not Lance, maybe Gallo.

      Phil says changes need to be made because of the way team performed. He’s right and the most important one is Phil leaving. We don’t need to spend a lot of money on aging vets like Noah and poor value wings. If we’re gonna spend big on a wing – and I don’t think it’s required – then let it be a young one like Tyler J or Fournier who would hit their prime at the same time as KP. Let’s bring in a coach who will maximize the talents of our current players. Let others spend their cap and we hold our powder until 2017 and beyond. The “win now” pressure on Melo/Phil will hurt this team.

    53. We can win now and build for the future. I just don’t get this site. I started reading it back. In 2008 and for a long time this site was a nice mix of humor, typical Knicks pessimism and a healthy dose of fan optimism/wishful thinking. Now it’s all about bowing down to the God of advanced stats, Melo and Phil Jackson hate and total pessimism about our future, which I don’t get. Let’s look at where we are.

      Phil hasn’t traded away a single first round draft pick. After this year we will add first round picks to build around KP. You don’t have to always have lottery picks to build a core around someone like KP. You can hit the jackpot in the mid or late first round esp if you have those picks every year, which we will going forward because Phil Jackson hasn’t traded them to “win now.” Also, we have KP, Grant and possibly Gallo and DWill as a young core that we can move forward with. We have Rolo who is older than those guys but not as old as Melo and on a great contract. And we have Melo – WHO IS A GOOD BASKETBALL PLAYER – on a pretty great max deal. We’re going to have over 30 million in cap this summer AND we’re gonna have more cap space (plus a draft pick) next summer.

      Everyone freaks out about Melo and says we’re win now, but since Melo resigned has he made a big stink about the rebuild? Nope. This idea that somehow we can only win now because Melo is 31 and therefore we have to mortgage KP’s future is stupid. We can build a decent/good playoff team now with aging Melo and young KP and as long as we keep our draft picks, we can reload when Melo’s contract is up. We’ll continue to add first round picks going forward. Also there is value to building a good if not contending team now so that KP gets the experience of being on a team that wins and gets playoff tested. And Melo is a great mentor for him. The coaching situation obviously is huge but Phil hasn’t done anything yet except fire a coach who lost 9 straight games and replace him with…

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