Knicks Morning News (2015.12.07)

  • [New York Post] Dirk vs. future Dirk? How Porzingis compares with legend (Mon, 07 Dec 2015 01:25:04 -0500)

    Kristaps Porzingis wonders if a 7-foot power-forward superstar named Dirk Nowitzki of Germany never existed in the NBA, would the Knicks have been as inclined to draft a 7-3, skinny European kid with the fourth pick of the draft? Porzingis considers Nowitzki a Euro pioneer and his idol. Monday night at the Garden, an old…

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Porzingis wants to follow in Nowitzki’s footsteps (Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:15:38 GMT)

    Dirk Nowitzki’s fade-away jumper off of one foot isn’t as famous as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s sky hook or Michael Jordan’s gravity defying dunk.

  • [New York Times] The Process Is Tested in Philadelphia (Mon, 07 Dec 2015 09:57:32 GMT)

    On a recent visit to Minneapolis, Philadelphia 76ers coach Brett Brown looked across the court at the Timberwolves roster and couldn’t help but be a little envious.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Move to 22-0 by Pulling Away From Nets, 114-98 (Mon, 07 Dec 2015 03:27:58 GMT)

    Golden State’s first game against the Nets went down to the wire, and the rematch seemed headed the same way.

  • [New York Times] Westbrook Gets Triple-Double, Thunder Beat Kings 98-95 (Mon, 07 Dec 2015 03:04:04 GMT)

    Russell Westbrook had his third triple-double of the season with 19 points, 10 assists and 11 rebounds and the Oklahoma City Thunder rallied late to beat the Sacramento Kings 98-95 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Roundup: Tennessee Women Are Upset, With Fewest Points Since ’74 (Mon, 07 Dec 2015 02:35:07 GMT)

    Vanessa Panousis scored 21 points and shot 5 of 8 from 3-point range as Virginia Tech continued its fast start with a 57-43 upset of No. 8 Tennessee on Sunday.

  • [New York Times] Roundup: In Seesaw Game, Grizzlies Slip Past Suns on Jeff Green’s Last-Second Dunk (Mon, 07 Dec 2015 02:32:13 GMT)

    Green’s dunk on an alley-oop inbound pass from Courtney Lee gave Memphis a 95-93 victory at home over Phoenix.

  • [New York Times] Warriors 114, Nets 98: Stephen Curry’s Warriors Are 22-0, and Nets Fans Seem Perfectly Fine With That (Mon, 07 Dec 2015 02:17:10 GMT)

    Before Golden State’s victory in Brooklyn, Warriors Coach Luke Walton compared his team’s current trip to a traveling circus.

  • [New York Times] Matthews Scores 36 Points, Mavericks Beat Wizards 116-104 (Mon, 07 Dec 2015 01:39:50 GMT)

    Wesley Matthews scored 28 of his season-high 36 points in the second half and the Dallas Mavericks beat the Washington Wizards 116-104 Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Game of the Week: Warriors at Pacers (Mon, 07 Dec 2015 00:59:17 GMT)

    With Paul George not missing a beat after being out for virtually an entire season, the Indiana Pacers should present a test for the Golden State Warriors.

  • [New York Times] Green’s Late Dunk Sends Grizzlies Over Suns 95-93 (Mon, 07 Dec 2015 00:28:41 GMT)

    Jeff Green’s dunk on an alley-oop inbound pass from Courtney Lee with 0.5 seconds left gave the Memphis Grizzlies a 95-93 victory over the Phoenix Suns on Sunday.

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    34 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.12.07)”

    1. Anyone notice two players having almost identical scoring years so far?

      1. 21.7 pts, .521 TS%, 2.2 TO
      2. 21.8 pts, .523 TS%, 2.2 TO

      1. Carmelo
      2. Wiggins

    2. Yo, Carmelo is useless.

      But seriously, I would trade him tomorrow. And I’m happy with Melo this year, but we’re wasting time with him here.

    3. Anyone notice two players having almost identical scoring years so far?

      1. 21.7 pts, .521 TS%, 2.2 TO
      2. 21.8 pts, .523 TS%, 2.2 TO

      1. Carmelo
      2. Wiggins

      It’s honestly impressive how useless Wiggins is in all areas besides scoring (and he’s not even good at that, really.) Even his defense, which was touted coming into the draft, is mediocre-to-bad (pretty poor defensive rating even relative to the team’s average, meh-to-poor on/off numbers, and alright defensive tracking stats.) I guess he’s only 20, but if he doesn’t learn how to do anything but score he’ll never be more than a role player in this league.

      And welcome back Farfa! Haven’t seen you post in a while, but your presence was missed.

    4. Ha! Thanks Alecto, it’s been a rough stretch, what with work and studying at the university… But I have been following the Knicks like no other year, thanks to Godzingod!

    5. Be pretty funny if Zach Lavine (having a shockingly fine season so far) turned out to be a better player than Wiggins.

    6. But seriously, I would trade him tomorrow. And I’m happy with Melo this year, but we’re wasting time with him here.

      How are we wasting time? Is he somehow preventing any of our young guys from getting minutes?

      Funny thing about Wiggins is his upping the number of 3PA has actually hurt his efficiency, because he doesn’t have that kind of range yet. He’s also finishing much worse at rim this year despite improving so far in every other zone other than beyond the arc. Weird player. It’ll be interesting to see how he progresses.

    7. How are we wasting time? Is he somehow preventing any of our young guys from getting minutes?

      Not really, but I think it’s fair to argue we’re wasting time trying to be an 8-10 seed with somewhat limited cap space as opposed to dedicating ourselves to a full rebuild around [insert nickname of choice here].

    8. No Lavor, I mean we’re both wasting time (Knicks and Melo).

      I for one am sad to see a fading Melo having to deal with a mediocre (but very rootable!) roster with no chance to win anything by the end of his career, while it is possibile that trading him somewhere gives him a better chance to win and could give us some promising youngster to develop at a good salary.

      Anyway I want to be clear: I am pretty happy with everything Phil has done in this offseason, and I’m not advocating anything drastic (short of firing Fisher sooner or later, but that’s another story. Also, I think he’s a good out of game coach but a terrible in-game one, so maybe it’s only a matter of finding a great assistant).

    9. Not really, but I think it’s fair to argue we’re wasting time trying to be an 8-10 seed with somewhat limited cap space as opposed to dedicating ourselves to a full rebuild around [insert nickname of choice here].

      If we had our 2016 pick or more importantly, if Dolan wasn’t our owner, I’d agree. There’s no way in hell Dolan is signing off on a Melo trade unless Melo explicitly asks for it.

      short of firing Fisher sooner or later, but that’s another story. Also, I think he’s a good out of game coach but a terrible in-game one, so maybe it’s only a matter of finding a great assistant

      Agree with this.

      I also agree that our roster is mediocre right now, which is a massive improvement from last year, but we also have one high upside player in Porzingis whose development is far ahead of what any of us thought and a couple of young guards that could potentially turn in to solid rotation guards and maybe even starters.

      I just don’t think we’re as far away from being a competitive team as most people do, but I also admit I’m an optimist. Either way I’d keep the band together until this summer and see what happens. At that point we’ll have a better idea of the overall picture anyways. It’s stupid to waste time thinking of Melo trade scenarios, because Phil isn’t trading Melo 21 games in to the season after he actually had money this summer to add pieces to the mix. He’s going to want to give this team more than a quarter of the season to see how things are going. I mean he wanted to blow up the team last year and he gave them more time than that.

    10. Yeah I don’t think we’re that far away from being competitive either even with just this roster. People love to overlook that learning an offense, learning how to play with other players, etc…takes some time. If you have talent it obviously helps speed up the process but the Miami Big Three started out a 500 team the first 30 games or so of their first season before they became a juggernaut that everyone expected them to become. I’m obviously not trying to compare us to them at all. And there are instances of teams instantly gelling (2008 Celtics, our 54 win team in 2012-13) but a lot of times, especially when you have a fair amount of younger players (which we do), it takes half a season or even a couple of seasons to become really good. GSW didn’t just automatically become the force they are now. They went from a bad team with a promising rookie to a decent team, to a playoff team to a contender. They got better as a team, had players take steps forward, improved on the margins, then upgraded their coach and boom, championship.

      That could happen to us if we’re patient. Maybe that means eventually replacing Fisher. Maybe that means eventually trading Melo (or Lopez for that matter). But for now I think we should just enjoy the ride. Fisher is our Mark Jackson. He’s gotten the team to buy in and play hard and that’s good enough for now. Melo isn’t shooting well so there’s improvement to be had there. Zinger obviously has a high ceiling so we can get better as he improves. Grant is a rookie too. Galloway is one year removed from the D-League (I think we forget that). Quinn and Williams are still pretty young too. There’s enough youth on this team for us to improve just as we are and as the team gets more comfortable with each other and the offense, I think they get better. Our focus this year should be making the playoffs. If a good trade comes along for Calderon then you make it, but otherwise I’d stay put and let the team experience its growing…

    11. The way it looks to most I think right now is that Treetops is only going to get better, Melo is only going to get older, and our window really will open in 2-3 years, when Melo will be approximating post title Paul Pierce.

      I can appreciate the people who say, let’s just ride it out and be a little less mediocre until Melo’s contract runs out. Maybe we run good and luck our way into the second round of the playoffs one of these years. We won’t have another year like last year. And we also can deflate the value of the Raptors draft pick.

      I would be embracing my inner Hinkie at the deadline though for sure….

    12. The “Dolan won’t allow it” thing is tired. Who knows what Dolan will allow? I do agree that it’s unlikely the Knicks trade Melo this year just because the greatest flaw Phil Jackson has revealed is that he believes free agency/cap space can be a stairway that leads from stable mediocrity to elite. He’ll keep Melo through 2016 free agency to boost the Knicks’ win total and to have him as a showpiece when recruiting free agents.

      Once that doesn’t work out though, the beginning of the 2016/17 season will likely look a lot like the beginning of the 2011/12 season. Like Amar’e, Melo will still look like his old self often enough that teams will make offers for him, but the numbers as a whole will reveal a much-declined player. Whether we escape from his contract or Melo ends up the new albatross contract depends on who wises up to that decline first: Phil or the rest of the league. We were still getting offers for Amar’e early that season, but by the end? Not so much.

      I also think given the giant cap jump and the dearth of quality free agents, next summer will be a big time seller’s market for teams interested in trading present for future talent. Teams are going to want to spend their dollars, and spending $25m on Melo may be more enticing to teams than spending a similar amount on Rondo or Chandler Parsons. The cap space other teams have will also lubricate the trade market since most teams won’t have to worry about matching salaries.

      As far as Wiggins goes… the next Demar Derozan? KAT’s presence will allow the team to win, and the cowardly sports media largely won’t question Wiggins’ value when he’s playing on a winning team and has the hype train and PPG hype booster on his side. He’s still young though. He could still get a lot better.

    13. We’ve seen enough of this Knicks team now to have a pretty decent grasp on their strengths and weaknesses. The team is starting to stabilize in terms of the Four Factors. On offense, the Knicks are really hampered by their lack of scoring at the rim. They do not get lots of shots at the rim in the first place, as they rank 28th in FGA from 0-3 feet. And on the rare occasions where they do get shots at the rim, they are horrible at converting– again, they’re 28th in the league in FG% from 0-3 feet. They are a reasonably decent shooting team from 3 feet and beyond, but their team eFG% is really hurt by the fact that they do not get a lot of gimme hoops– the Knicks are 25th in the league in dunk percentage and 26th in layup percentage.

      This seems like a personnel issue rather than a system issue. The Knicks do not have guards that can get to the cup and finish, and a lot of the bigs are not great finishers either. The Knicks are very solid in the other three of the Four Factors: they’re above league average in TOV%, ORB% and FT/FGA, but the poor eFG% kills their overall offensive rating.

      The Knicks play an “old man” style of game a lot of the time– Calderon is the classic old guy point guard, Afflalo is pretty much the same and Melo is clearly playing like a guy in his 30’s. That’s not a knock on Melo– he’s playing a better overall floor game and overall he’s been pretty decent, but at this stage of his career he’s an under-the-rim player. Going forward this team is going to need to get younger and more athletic. I think the biggest need for the team right now is a dynamic, athletic guard who can break down defenses and get to the rim and get some of those easy buckets. That’s really a major missing piece on the offense as of now.

    14. This seems like a personnel issue rather than a system issue. The Knicks do not have guards that can get to the cup and finish, and a lot of the bigs are not great finishers either. The Knicks are very solid in the other three of the Four Factors: they’re above league average in TOV%, ORB% and FT/FGA, but the poor eFG% kills their overall offensive rating.

      The Knicks play an “old man” style of game a lot of the time– Calderon is the classic old guy point guard, Afflalo is pretty much the same and Melo is clearly playing like a guy in his 30’s. That’s not a knock on Melo– he’s playing a better overall floor game and overall he’s been pretty decent, but at this stage of his career he’s an under-the-rim player. Going forward this team is going to need to get younger and more athletic. I think the biggest need for the team right now is a dynamic, athletic guard who can break down defenses and get to the rim and get some of those easy buckets. That’s really a major missing piece on the offense as of now.

      Agree with this 100%. Grant’s development and the addition of a playmaking wing would do wonders. I’m interested to see if Phil will look to add a piece like that at the trade deadline or if he would rather give this roster the season together. I’m hopeful we can move Seraphin in a Pablo/Shved like deal at the deadline.

    15. Upgrading the guards would do a lot for this team. I think Galloway and Grant are acceptable backups, but I would like to see a younger promising point and a more athletic 2 guard in the mix. Maybe we find some help at the deadline or during the offseason.

    16. I’d be surprised if Dirk guards Porzingis. Seems more likely they’d put Pachulia on him and throw Dirk on RoLo.

    17. They do not get lots of shots at the rim in the first place, as they rank 28th in FGA from 0-3 feet. And on the rare occasions where they do get shots at the rim, they are horrible at converting– again, they’re 28th in the league in FG% from 0-3 feet.

      Oooh Oooh! What rhymes with Smyson Smandler?

      All jokes aside, I remember seeing many arguments about measuring the value of a guy who could go 6/6 from point blank and whether or not it made a significant impact to the operations of the team… I mean, since they’re such easy/close/putback shots, why can’t anyone else do it? Seems like it’s something we miss sorely this year.

    18. So what’s the over/under for 6-God’s points when Dirk is guarding him tonight?

      I think the better question is what’s the over/under on the amount of times we have to listen/read someone compare tall, white European guy to other tall, white European guy because they’re both tall, white, and European.

    19. All jokes aside, I remember seeing many arguments about measuring the value of a guy who could go 6/6 from point blank and whether or not it made a significant impact to the operations of the team… I mean, since they’re such easy/close/putback shots, why can’t anyone else do it? Seems like it’s something we miss sorely this year.

      Not to relive Chandler I’ll just paraphrased Barry Goldwater who once said in a famous speech, “moderation in the defense of liberty is no virtue” by saying “efficiency in the absence of volume is no virtue!”

      It appears Jackson was just a year off in dumping Chandler as he has totally fallen off a statistical cliff this season. And keeping him to build around would have been a monumental error.

    20. It’s amazing how awful the Knicks guards have been in the past 15 years. No Knicks guard has made the All-Star team since Allan Houston made back-to-back All-Star games in 2000 and 2001 (Spree made the 2001 All-Star team too but he was technically a SF then). Aside from Marbury’s 2004-2005 season where he played pretty great Knick guards have been basically awful except for 2 weeks of Linsanity and the occasional great Jamal Crawford/Nate Robinson/JR Smith game.

    21. If any tall person, specifically Robin Lopez, could do what Tyson/DeAndre/Whiteside/etc. do we’d be a much better team.

    22. It appears Jackson was just a year off in dumping Chandler as he has totally fallen off a statistical cliff this season. And keeping him to build around would have been a monumental error.

      According to WS, he’s an average player, and according to WP48, he’s still above-average, but I suppose that’s falling off a cliff from having 4 of the top 8 (!) ORTG seasons in league history… while being a former DPOY and 3-time All-Defensive Team selection.

      That said, neither would I want to build around a 33-year-old center with 4 years and $52M left on his contract. Still the best player to put on a Knicks uniform since Ewing.

    23. This is why we were never going to get a primo haul for Tyson. We probably should have traded him earlier or later, but I maintain the trade wasn’t particularly bad.

    24. Play RoLo with any guard that could run PNR and he’s proven he’ll give you a knock off Chandler which is a good player. Chandler would get like 2 shots a game if he played with Calderon and Afflalo.

    25. Play RoLo with any guard that could run PNR and he’s proven he’ll give you a knock off Chandler which is a good player. Chandler would get like 2 shots a game if he played with Calderon and Afflalo.

      I dunno, Tyson got a fairly good amount of easy buckets when the Knicks had some real crap at the PG position. His first year here the point guards were Mike Bibby (Mumm-Ra Edition), Iman Shumpert, the last remaining gas fumes of Baron Davis and the Carmelo Anthony “point forward” experiment, and Tyson still managed 11.3 PPG with a .708 TS%.

    26. I think the better question is what’s the over/under on the amount of times we have to listen/read someone compare tall, white European guy to other tall, white European guy because they’re both tall, white, and European.

      If you count the article ESPN ran today, my line would be 4.5, and I’ll take the over. If you don’t count it, my line will still be 4.5, and I’ll still take the over.

      And Chandler was great when we had him–all the arguments about his “cherry-picking” are pretty massively overblown. 10-15 points a game at 60%+ shooting is great for any team. That being said I agree with everyone else here that at his age he wasn’t someone to build around; and that the trade wasn’t so horrible.

    27. I dunno, Tyson got a fairly good amount of easy buckets when the Knicks had some real crap at the PG position. His first year here the point guards were Mike Bibby (Mumm-Ra Edition), Iman Shumpert, the last remaining gas fumes of Baron Davis and the Carmelo Anthony “point forward” experiment, and Tyson still managed 11.3 PPG with a .708 TS%.

      RoLo certainly isn’t as good as Tyson was in his prime, but he has been among the best PNR finishers in the league the last few years and a consistent net positive offensively when playing with capable PNR ball handlers like Nash, Lillard and Batum.

      Tyson was an extremely good player obviously. Wasn’t trying to compare nor do I want to engage in a debate for the millionth time about how great his offense was or wasn’t. I don’t really give a shit about Tyson Chandler at this point.

    28. Aside from Marbury’s 2004-2005 season where he played pretty great Knick guards have been basically awful except for 2 weeks of Linsanity and the occasional great Jamal Crawford/Nate Robinson/JR Smith game

      Mostly agree with your sentiment regarding the last 15 years of Knicks guards, but J.R. was 6th man of the year in 2013 so I guess that’s something.

    29. We’re at it again with the Chandler is a great offensive player nonsense?? You know how many points per game he averaged in those historically great four years? 10. For the rest of his career, he’s averaged about 7 points. And you know who led the league in ORTG the one year in five that he didn’t lead the league? Robin Lopez!

    30. We’re at it again with the Chandler is a great offensive player nonsense?? You know how many points per game he averaged in those historically great four years? 10. For the rest of his career, he’s averaged about 7 points. And you know who led the league in ORTG the one year in five that he didn’t lead the league? Robin Lopez!

      is this sarcasm

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