Knicks Morning News (2015.07.12)

  • [New York Daily News] Kristaps Porzingis looks good in Knicks Summer League debut (Sun, 12 Jul 2015 03:04:06 GMT)

    For one night, Kristaps Porzingis became a bigger tourist attraction than Cirque du Soleil, David Copperfield and the Hoover Dam.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: 76ers’ Joel Embiid to Have Surgery (Sun, 12 Jul 2015 03:47:19 GMT)

    Embiid, the third overall pick in the 2014 N.B.A. draft, and the Philadelphia 76ers have determined that he will have a second operation on his right foot, this time a bone graft.

  • [New York Times] Knicks’ Kristaps Porzingis Puts His Promise on Display (Sun, 12 Jul 2015 02:36:46 GMT)

    Porzingis, the 7-foot-1 Latvian forward who was booed when he was selected by the Knicks in the N.B.A. draft, gave fans a glimpse of his upside during a summer league win over the Spurs.

  • [New York Times] 76ers Say Embiid Needs More Surgery and Is Out for Next Season (Sun, 12 Jul 2015 01:25:35 GMT)

    Joel Embiid may not make his N.B.A. debut until 2016, if at all.

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    74 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.07.12)”

    1. Tough news for Philly about Embiid. This is turning out like Greg Oden, and we know that didn’t turn out well. I heard somewhere that this is why they were happy to take Okafor, since they had already known pre-draft that things might not be looking good for Embiid.

    2. I know it is a bit early to conjecture at this point (but hey it’s a blog), but if they play Melo at the 4, who would they be likely to start at the 3, Williams or Affalo? I read somewhere where it would be Williams, since part of the thinking in signing Affalo was bringing him off the bench as the sixth man. That sounds like a plan as long as Williams pans out.

    3. Doesn’t Afflalo play the 2?

      Hard to say after 1 preseason game, but seems like Zinger could potentially start. I think he would compliment Melo very well in a 2 forward lineup where they share various duties (Melo rebounds more and posts up while Zinger shoots threes and gives weak side D help.)
      I think you have to start Calderon at first, and I guess Afflalo.

      KOQ as back up center and DW and Thanassis would be the bench forwards, and grant could get time at both guard slots. Add some Galloway too. That’s a 10 man rote right there.

      Not sure why this team won’t go for Seth Curry. He had 5 steals the other day. Not a great shooting day, but he’s better than a lot of the guards out there.

    4. You are right, he does play the 2. I was just wondering if they want to play Melo at his strongest position statistically then does it make sense to slide Affalo over to the 3, since it seems like they do not have a lot of great scoring options at the 3 right now. I am also going on the premise that they might not want to put too much pressure at the start on KP, so they would bring him off the bench. Therefore, I would envision a starting lineup of Calderon, Grant, Affalo, Melo and Lopez. The downside is that starting five would have a tough time defensively.

    5. Fact 1: Dean Oliver, founding father of basketball analytics, works for the Sacramento Kings.
      Fact 2: Vivek Ranadive seems to believe that he is the Elon Musk of NBA paradigm smashing.
      Fact 3: The Kings have traded away half their future in the offseason, while accumulating players that are not big favorites of the analytical community
      Fact 4: A closer look, however, reveals that the Kings are accumulating a cadre of player-pairs with suspiciously complementary capabilities.

      (a) Rondo + Belinelli
      (b) WCS + Bargs
      (c) Koufos + Omri Caspi

      Conclusion: Vivek believes he has invented human fusion. I can’t wait to see Vlade + George Karl.

    6. Porzingis looked very big, played with energy and like a basketball player, not some gawky kid trying to play ball.
      I have to agree with ruru also that he looks very foulable. This dude will be very efficient and get a ton of foul shots.
      I had a moment during the Grant to Porzingis alley oop where the thought-image made me think this is our future.
      When was the last time we watched a summer league game where Knicks prospects simply looked like they belonged?
      One game, sure. But these guys don’t look long multi-year projects.
      Very encouraged.

    7. I’m as big of a Zinger booster as anyone (and one of the only guys to lobby for drafting him at #4) but very little can be learned from LVSL play. Zinger got fouled by guys who will likely never play in the NBA and who have never played against him or even seen him play. There is zero correlation between what he does here and what he will do at the next level vs. Seasoned NBA bigs who won’t buy his fakes until he consistently burns them from the perimeter. He made one wide-open 15 footer, one ungainly finish on a mistimed jump, and one off-balance leaning prayer that somehow rattled in. Frankly, (NPI) I don’t think he showed anything on O other than he can hit an open shot, has good hands, and can make FTs. He moved his feet well on D and will block a lot of shots if he can stay out of foul trouble, that’s for sure, so on that end he is surely gonna be better than Bargs. But on O, it all depends on whether he can hit the three at a higher rate than Bargnani or catch lobs and finish like Chandler, or develop a post game based on height and length like Gasol or even Hibbert. He didn’t show any of that yet.

    8. Porzingis looked pretty good, for SL ball. I thought he was a PF, so I didn’t like seein him at C. But if he really has stretched to 7’3″, he’s gonna be a nightmare at C, but in a good way- as soon as he gets stronger. I’m not necessarily sure he needs to gain much weight as much as he needs to get stronger. At 7’2″-7’3″ 233, he’s plenty big enough. Hell, Camby maxed out at 6’11” 235 and he was an excellent C, so maybe Porzingis can get up to 240-245 without losing his athleticism and be an excellent C in time. I’m not gonna make any crazy predictions based off 1 SL game, but I am encouraged by Porzingis’ showing. He showed a lot of toughness by playing as well as he did through a hip problem. I am equally encouraged by Fish recognizing how much talent he has, and how much value he potentially has and resting him after 18 minutes. It’snot worth it to run him into the ground this soon. Let the training staff work with him and get him healthy, then let him play as much as he can. Grant looked comfortable too. I do wonder why Galdikas didn’t get any burn though

    9. My new 2nd and 3rd favorite teams in the NBA are the Kings and the Hawks, for taking the disasters that are Bargs and TH Jr. off of our hands.

    10. I read through the other thread, and I’m surprised nobody mentioned that KP’s first shot (a miss) was almost identical to the infamous missed Ewing finger roll.
      Re: his rebounding, he seemed to be boxing out well, and he was around the ball a few times but didn’t get the rebound due to either slow reflexes or weak hands.
      I originally wanted to throw him to the wolves, but after seeing him he’s not strong enough yet, and the way he battles despite that makes me terrified of an injury, especially with the hip thing already (I read somewhere that he went in the tunnel to stretch out his hip in the first half).

      So I see a starting line-up of Calderon, Afflalo, Williams, melo and Lopez. Lopez is only good for about 30 minutes, so KOQ is needed to play all of the back-up center minutes, or else I’d like to see him start at PF for his defense and rebounding.
      Grant, Galloway, KP, KOQ, and the Greek are what I’d like to see as the second team. I think you guys are being too hard on Galloway due to a bad SL game.

      Re: Sac, is it possible Bargs will actually start at PF? Unless they start Cousins next to WCS or Koufos, which is opposite of where the league is headed, I don’t see another option. They could go small with Gay at PF, but then they’d have 3 centers on the bench. What a mess.

    11. You can’t for much more in terms of a summer league debut than we got from Porzingis yesterday.

    12. My new 2nd and 3rd favorite teams in the NBA are the Kings and the Hawks, for taking the disasters that are Bargs and TH Jr. off of our hands.

      @13 oops, forgot about the other disaster, Jah. So my 4th favorite team is the Magic.

    13. Porzingis also showed the ability to pass out of the post and get other player scoring opportunities. That’s a key to the triangle offense. I don’t know if he was coached up on that or if it was something that has been part of his game, but it caught my attention.

      BTW, I thought Thanasis looked great on defense but then Marc Berman of the Post pointed out that he was -23, and committed 3 turn overs. Those numbers seem misleading to me. TA was on the floor with the second team that got torched by Simmons. Most of those plays were away from Antetokounmpo or plays where he was desperate help defense (see the slam) as other Knicks played matador defense. He’s not good offensively and it start with positioning but is underscored by his low shooting percent. I love his energy and potential but I’m worried that he won’t make the team. I think he’s a project worth investing in. I know he doesn’t want to spend another year in the D-League.
      Agent: Antetokounmpo wants spot on Knicks (Ian Begley, ESPN)

    14. How are WCS and Bargs complimentary?

      Because Bargs can do nothing but shoot from the outside and the FT line and WCS can do almost everything but those things? They would be like the wonder twins, except where the sister not only can become any possible animal, she can also become every possible form of water except, say humidity, which is the brother’s only superpower. So what I’m trying to say here is that WCS might one day want a humidifier and Bargs can buy him one. But really that should have been obvious.

    15. I love Thanasis’ energy on defense but he chases the ball way, way too much. If can just figure out how to play within the scheme he could have a nice career as a defensive specialist. Unfortunately, the Knicks already have an all defense, no offense guy in Galloway and I’m not sure you can afford having two of those guys in your rotation.
      Early surprised me a bit. It looks like he worked on his a handle which was very smart- he doesn’t have a great first step so anything that will help him get into the lane will give him a much better chance to succeed. His defense was pretty bad but if he can get his 3 pt % at least up to league average he might be an okay guy guy off of the bench.
      Galloway looked awful at the point- while the Knicks are bad enough that he might still make the rotation, in order for him to actually be a nice piece off of the bench he’s going to have to either significantly improve his shooting or at least be able to run secondary stuff when the ball gets swung weak side. Even in the triangle he’s not a one.
      Ndour looked bouncy enough to possibly warrant a camp invite but 20 minutes without a rebound?? Even Bargs would hang his head in shame.

    16. Galloway should not be the guard who initiates the offense. That seemed pretty clear last season

    17. How are WCS and Bargs complimentary?

      One does a little bit of everything, the other does a lot of nothing.

    18. I’m as big of a Zinger booster as anyone (and one of the only guys to lobby for drafting him at #4) but very little can be learned from LVSL play. Zinger got fouled by guys who will likely never play in the NBA and who have never played against him or even seen him play. There is zero correlation between what he does here and what he will do at the next level vs. Seasoned NBA bigs

      That’s certainly true but it’s likely that what Zinger is asked to do this year will be much different than what he tried yesterday. KP is not some no-name who needs to use Summer League as a forum to showcase his best attributes in the hopes of landing a job somewhere. He’s a highly drafted rookie who probably sees these games as a chance to work on various parts of his game or otherwise test himself in different roles.

      In his post game comments, he noted that his intent going in was to “play physical.” This was his first opportunity to mix it up inside with NBA bodies (if not NBA talents) and see how he stacked up, strength-wise. It’s a different role than the one he played in Spain and that which he will likely see in New York this year. He could have easily retreated to his comfort zone on the perimeter but instead chose to embrace the challenge of repeatedly testing himself in the paint.

      I was just as encouraged by his post game acknowledgement that he’s “got to get stronger” as anything I saw him do on the floor. So far the thing that has impressed me the most about Zinger is his wise-beyond-his years self-awareness. He appears to have a clear understanding of what it is he needs to do to become a more complete NBA player and reportedly possesses the desire and work ethic to take the necessary steps to make that happen. His game yesterday seems to me a far more useful first step toward that goal than, say, a performance in which he dazzled the world by shooting 6/7 from beyond the arc.

    19. Bargs to Sacto, that is such a perfect match.

      Over/under on number of games into the season before Boogie punches Andrea in the face = 36

    20. Count,
      I think he will largely play the way he played yesterday: inside and outside. I think he played that way in Spain.

    21. ” Bargs not gonna make it 36 games without getting hurt”

      ..take the under

    22. How are WCS and Bargs complimentary?

      I wish Bargs had been complimentary. Unfortunately, he cost us a great deal .

    23. WCS and Bargs are more similar than you might think: neither are particularly good at shooting the basketball.

    24. The Knicks could stand to get a lot better because of all the players that left. Just like the 2010 summer when we lost Al Harrington and a bunch of other terrible players. We improved to 42 wins because we had average and not terrible players

    25. As I have posted before, I think the Knicks have an average team Talent-wise this year. Barring injury, they should really have a shot at winning more than 40 games this year. Of course, emotionally I find this very hard to believe.

    26. The Knicks could stand to get a lot better because of all the players that left. Just like the 2010 summer when we lost Al Harrington and a bunch of other terrible players. We improved to 42 wins because we had average and not terrible players

      That 2009-10 team was so bad that the big difference in 2010-11 during the first half was Raymond Felton joining the team. Raymond Felton!

    27. That 2009-10 team was so bad that the big difference in 2010-11 during the first half was Raymond Felton joining the team. Raymond Felton!

      Man, it’s easy to forget how bad we were when Ray Felton becomes a savior.

    28. It’s official – Bargnani to the NETS!

      This is absolutely amazing. He couldn’t be going to a more worthy owner.

    29. It’s official – Bargnani to the NETS!

      Seriously? Please tell me the Kings and the Nets go into a bidding war for him. If there are two teams dumb enough (read: dumber than we are) that would do that, it’s those two.

    30. Vet min + player option in 2nd year.

      Marc Stein ?@ESPNSteinLine
      ESPN sources say Bargnani, in fact, took less money from Nets because he preferred fit in Brooklyn. Kings pitched two-year deal

    31. It actually does look like there was competition for his service. I haven’t seen terms yet.
      CBS Sports

      How much worse can the Nets become this week?

    32. That actually makes a lot of sense for him. He got the vet minimum, which is all he currently deserves, but he’ll get a chance to play on the Nets and they have an easier road to the playoffs than the Kings, so if he plays well (which he won’t) he’ll be able to get a better contract for next year.

    33. He probably chose the Nets because he’s too lazy to move his stuff out of his apartment.

    34. Bargs seems like a nice enough guy. It’s nice for him from a personal stand point he doesn’t need to relocate. I wish him luck across town. Just glad he’s not on the Knicks anymore ^_^

    35. Can you imagine that the 2010 team won twelve more games than this past team did? A team with the unspeakable name at point guard (please don’t say that man’s name) won twelve more games than we did.

      I do feel good about our future with Phil Jackson in place, though. I think we can pencil in Afflalo, Melo, Doom, and Lopez as our starting 2-5, and it depends on how washed Calderon is in terms of who starts at the point guard spot. We could have a really good offense and a not terrible defense (Doom and Lopez is a big, mobile defensive front) if everything works out health wise. As long as we don’t trade away any more 1st round picks, we should be decent going forward.

    36. That team had an All-Star performance from David Lee, though. Plus decent seasons from players who played a lot in Nate, Gallo and TDDWTDD.

      Last year only had a single regular player crack .100 WS/48 (STAT and Shved cracked it in limited minutes) and that was Cole!

    37. Wow. Bargs to the Nets lol. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      Billy King is probably the NBA’s worst GM. Let’s rehash some of his decisions:

      Trades Derrick Favors and the Enes Kanter pick for Deron Williams.
      Trades the Damian Lillard pick for Gerald Wallace.
      Trades his 2014, 2016, and 2018 picks for Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett.

      NONE of the players the Nets traded for currently play for the Nets. That’s a shame.

    38. I don’t know what’s funnier, Bargs to the Kings or Bargs to the Nets. Anyway thank god that motherfucker is gone, even though it sucks mightily that we don’t have what’s likely to be a damn good pick next year because of him.

      Bargs not gonna make it 36 games without getting hurt

      The funniest thing about Bargs’ injury proneness being held against him is that him getting injured is usually the best thing he does for his team.

    39. The funniest thing about Bargs’ injury proneness being held against him is that him getting injured is usually the best thing he does for his team.

      I just said the same thing to a Nets fan friend of mine. “He’s terrible and he’ll be your most hated player of all time, but the good thing is that he’ll get hurt after a few hundred minutes, and when that happens you will be happy.”

    40. It’s like a guy we had on my softball team who could barely make it to first base and hit into like 5 triple plays during the season. When he didn’t show up to the championship game and we won, we gave him the MVP award.

    41. I will pay a lot of Drachmas right now to see Broussard tweet that Vivek is frantically driving around Red Hook desperately texting Barg’s tailor and pilates instructor to find out where he lives.

    42. Lol at Brooklyn and the Kings. That said, those who live in glass houses shouldn’t through stones, so we probably can’t tease too much ha ha.

      Bargs seems like a pretty decent guy who isn’t likely to disrupt team chemistry, so it’s unfortunate that he kind of sucks. At the vet minimum that’s not terrible for the Nets, given Billy King’s history of throwing cash and picks at geriatric or luck luster talent.

      Even though he’s not on the team, can we still get regular Bargs defence gif”s posted througout the season?

    43. The Nets have a surprisingly decent team right now. Not a good team, by any means, but they should have a decent shot at a playoff spot.

    44. Please keep Bargnani far away from Porzingis! Is there any way to block the Nets games in KP’s room?

    45. Why? All you gotta do is have zinger watch the bargs games and then have him do the exact opposite.

    46. Gotta love Berman:

      PG Emmanuel Mudiay 19 points, 10 assists and 3 steals today for Denver in win over Sacramento. Coulda…been…a….Knick.

    47. It really was fortunate for Denver that he fell to #7. He’s a really great talent for seventh overall. I’d prefer Zinger, but Mudiay would have been a fine choice, as well. I think he and Zinger have the greatest star potential of all the players available from #4 on.

    48. Meanwhile, KAT had nine fouls vs the Lakers and WCS had a single rebound against Denver.

    49. Berman failed to tweet these stats: In 2 games so far Mudiay is shooting 12 for 30 (1 for 9 from 3pt) and 5 for 8 from the FT line. He also had 8 turnovers.

    50. DMar, are you sure he wasn’t told to go to a different field?

      LOL, that’s what the team we beat accused us of

    51. @59
      That’s what annoys me about sports “journalists.” Intentionally telling using “half-truths” to try to argue a point.

      Of course, it’s Twitter, not a sports site, so its really just trolling.
      :-)

    52. Oh yeah, Berman and especially Isola use Twitter to troll the crap out of Knicks fans. Difference is Isola actually writes decent articles and opinions at times when he’s serious, Berman is awful both on Twitter and when he writes in the Post.

    53. Berman’s only purpose (for us) is that he is a barometer on what MSG is thinking, as he is basically a mouthpiece for MSG. So he is useful in figuring out what MSG is thinking.

    54. Isola is a joke to me. He spends most of his time bitter about Berman’s sources so he just rails on the Knicks and Berman all day long.

    55. Isola trolled hardcore during the Playoffs. There was a tweet about the JR and Shump deal every time they did something remotely above pedestrian. There was a pretty good exchange between he an Jonah Ballow from MSG when he called Isola out over his trolling.

    56. Chances of Bargnani becoming an All-Star and leading the Nets to the ECF next year? Normally I’d say less than zero, but God likes to troll Knick fans as much as Isola does, so maybe it’s pretty even money.

    57. How are WCS and Bargs complimentary?

      I wish Bargs had been complimentary. Unfortunately, he cost us a great deal .

      Missed you, Kikuchiyo. Don’t be a stranger.

      So what I’m trying to say here is that WCS might one day want a humidifier and Bargs can buy him one.

      Also a good line. PT does regression analysis AND comedy.

    58. Anyone who doesn’t think Bargs isn’t worth the minimum is a blind hater.

      Shved to Bargs was automatic at the end of last season. The TRIANGLE was actually working.

      Felton never passed to Bargs.

      Who replaces Bargs and jason’s shooting ? So far – NO ONE.

      Bargs’s indifference could be frustrating, but it looked like he turned it up a notch and played great at the end of the season – at a minimum – he deserved another season.

      Jeremy at 2.4 mil coulda been a steal, but Melo would never sign off on the deal.

      We were doing ok till we let Smith and Bargs get away.

      Now let’s try to forget what Shved did and we can get to business as usual – Melo Melo Melo .

      GO knicks

    59. We were doing ok till we let Smith and Bargs get away.

      That is the best thing I’ve ever read on this site. If they ever make a Trading Places sequel set in NBA front offices, that should definitely be the last line passed between Dolan and Isiah (as Randolph and Mortimer), sitting on the empty floor of Madison Square Garden, previous home of the Macau Knicks.

    60. They underestimate the cap and just lose Jason, who Jackson wanted and lose Bargs just when he was playing his best ball – especially with Shevd;

      Still – question is – what big replaces outside shooting ???

    61. I hope you’re right about Kris, I would love to be proven wrong; and Melo – if he takes any more shots his arm is gonna fall off, – it would be nice if we had another big shooter.

      I’m hoping Aflalo helps.

      Still – I’d bet the bank Bargs earns his minimum with the Nets.

      Minimum
      minimum
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