Knicks Morning News (2015.07.02)

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Colleges: Ex-Players Allege Racial Bias at Illinois (Thu, 02 Jul 2015 04:43:42 GMT)

    Seven former Illinois women’s basketball players accused Coach Matt Bollant and the former assistant Mike Divilbiss of violating their civil rights by creating a racially hostile environment.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Davidson Coach Bob McKillop Gets New York Honor (Thu, 02 Jul 2015 04:38:39 GMT)

    Bob McKillop, who groomed Stephen Curry for the N.B.A. as the coach of Davidson College, was named to the Class of 2015 inductees to the New York City Basketball Hall of Fame.

  • [New York Times] Green Returning to Champions Golden State (Thu, 02 Jul 2015 03:52:33 GMT)

    Golden State forward Draymond Green announced on Wednesday he has signed a five-year deal to stay with the NBA champions.

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers Break the Bank on Day 1 of Free Agency (Thu, 02 Jul 2015 01:01:36 GMT)

    Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert promised LeBron James he would do whatever it took financially to surround him with a team capable of ending the city’s 51-year championship drought.

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Cavs Bring Back Shumpert for 4 Years, $40 Million (Thu, 02 Jul 2015 00:25:39 GMT)

    A person with knowledge of the situation tells The Associated Press that Iman Shumpert has agreed to terms on a four-year, $40 million contract that will keep him in Cleveland.

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Hawks Reach Agreement to Re-Sign Paul Millsap (Thu, 02 Jul 2015 00:10:37 GMT)

    Paul Millsap became an All-Star in his first two years with Atlanta and helped lead the Hawks to their first Eastern Conference finals.

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers’ Kevin Love Is Among Stars Staying Put as Free Agency Begins (Thu, 02 Jul 2015 00:07:51 GMT)

    Love announced on Wednesday that he would return to Cleveland to complete some “unfinished business,” while Anthony Davis and Jimmy Butler also reached new deals with their teams.

  • [New York Daily News] Like Knicks fans, Carmelo waiting for Phil’s free agent news (Thu, 02 Jul 2015 01:18:10 GMT)

    Similar to an anxious fan base eager for a reward after enduring a 17-win season, Carmelo Anthony waited for news that never arrived.

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    59 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.07.02)”

    1. If Sacto is going to be honest with themselves they should just immediately send whoever they sign to the Sixers with a half dozen future picks.

    2. If Sacto is going to be honest with themselves they should just immediately send whoever they sign to the Sixers with a half dozen future picks.

      That’s a brilliant line.

    3. 8 mil a year is okay. I can live with that. So basically we have room for Aldridge max or Monroe and a 5 mil guy likely?

    4. The rumors that he was signing with the Knicks were often lumped together with the sources who said that Monroe was most likely coming to NY, so there’s that.

    5. I don’t hate Afflalo for that price and only 2 years. Good to see them not panicking and grossly overpaying mediocre players just to have signed someone.

    6. Monroe and Bjelica
      Monroe and Joseph
      Monroe and Koufos/Lopez

      Or sub in Tobias for Monroe.

      I think the Knicks will pass on koufos/Lopez and bring back Cole and sign Ovidijus Galdikas

    7. Yeah that’s a prudent deal for Afflalo, and who knows… Maybe he’ll turn things around? I think as a 4th option on offense, he’s a solid get, but you don’t want him trying to do too much.

    8. And now it’s safe to say the Knicks will get 3 starters instead of 2, which was probably the way they needed to go.

    9. If you read the espn comments on Facebook you’d think Phil killed everyone’s mothers. Haha. These guys must think we can win a championship next year.

    10. Good move with Afflalo. We all agree that $8M for our SG is much better than $12M because of the cap room it makes available. We must sign 3 quality veteran free agents before we load up on minimum salary players. Let’s cross our fingers and hope for a miracle with LMA. Selling point for Phil “Jeeze, do you really want to stay in the west?”

    11. Looking at Afflalo’s stats, he is essentially a slightly below league-average player. He had a great opportunity in Portland once Matthews went down, but underperformed and then got hurt. He was horrible in 60 playoff minutes vs. Memphis after returning in game 3 from that shoulder injury.

      His last good season was with Orlando in 2013-14, where he was a league average player, so there’s some hope that he can play at that level for us. One thing that he has been consistent at is the 3-pt shot, averaging 39% for his career and better in recent years. He’s an overrated defender, but at least not TH2 by a long shot. Our hope should be that he is a smart, savvy veteran with a good skillset for the triangle.

    12. I can get on board with the deal only because it’s tradeable enough that if things are looking grim we can probably pick up an asset or two for him. Other than that, meh.

    13. 2 years 16 MM is a very reasonable deal IMHO. Gives him flexibility to get out if he either outperforms his contract or hates it here, and does not stick us with any long-term commitment to a guy about to hit his 30s. He’s certainly better than any of the other SGs we have on the roster. Wait, we have no other SG’s on the roster.

      Honestly I’d rather pay him 2 years at $8MM/year than take a chance on Wes Matthews at 3+ years at $15MM/year or whatever he’s looking for with that broken Achilles.

      For what we want him for, he’s probably pretty good at that price. He’s probably an average defender at least, especially if his offensive load is decreased with him becoming the 2nd or 3rd option.

      In the triangle there are a lot of post-up and spot-up opportunities, and he’s good at those things:

      He’s a great post-up player — tied for 4th at 0.99 PPP amongst ALL players with >100 post-up possessions. To put that in perspective that’s better than Amare, Aldridge, Love, Gasol, Blake Griffin, Brook Lopez, everyone — only ones who were better were Tobias Harris (go figure), Carl Landry, and Valanciunas.

      On spot up possessions he average 1.07 PPP which is not amazing, but on par with guys like Gallinari, Bradley Beal, etc.

      Honestly getting an average player on a low-commitment relatively low $ contract is really good in this market. And he apparently gets along well with Melo, is another pro’s pro kind of guy which we could always use here. Thumbs up from me.

    14. Could have been a lot worse but still not excited about it. Afflalo is quietly a minus defender these days and isn’t going to improve at age 30. That might not be such a problem for another team, but we currently have a total of two NBA players. One is a decidedly mediocre defender and the other is probably the worst defender in the league. Splitter would have added a lot more value to a team like this for the same contract. Afflalo has one of the lowest steal rates in league history for guys 6′ 5″ or shorter, thought admittedly that alone is a very small amount of information. Would also much rather rent out the cap space than sign a guy like Afflalo, but it’s a hell of a lot better than 4 years $48 million. Unless we can trade Calderon, Monroe/Lopez or Monroe/Beverley are not happening.

    15. Meanwhile that Sac-Philly trade is as awful as I can imagine a trade can be for a team like Sacramento. No FAs want to go there. Zero. Not only is it Sacramento (my in-laws live there so I spend a lot of time there– it’s not great), but they’re more of a laughingstock cellar-dwelling organization than we are — not easy to do. And giving draft picks away in this cap lunacy is literally the worst thing you can do unless you’re really on the cusp of contending. The rookie salary scale is not increasing with the cap.. Right now the #1 pick’s salary is about 8% of the cap. In 2018 the cap will be $108MM, so the #1 pick will be <5% of the cap. And meanwhile NEWS FLASH – even the best bargain in free agency pales in comparison to even an average player on a rookie contract.

    16. Yup I agree guys. An ok signing at that price. He’s a pro and a smart guy. Hopefully he can regain some chemistry with his boy Melo and be a solid contributor. Him and Jose together are two guys that will do the right things although they don’t have all of the skills. Behind them we have two whippersnappers in Grant and Gallo who hopefully can fill in the gaps. Good job at that price and years Phil.

    17. So since the draft, Phil has essentially converted TH2 into Jerian Grant and JR into Afflalo. Not sexy, but it would be pretty cynical to complain.

    18. I much prefer Afflalo at 2 yr/ $18m, than Shump at 4 yr / $40. While Phil should have gotten more from Cleveland for Shump, evidenced by the number of teams that wanted to sign him, the Afflalo deal makes him look like a prudent, sensible GM.

    19. JR was godawful for us last year. Seriously, if we replace all our godawful players from last year with slightly below average we should make a run at the playoffs in the east.

    20. Farfa wrote July 1, 2015 at 8:48 am

      I would be kinda meh if we signed him for 16mln/2yrs

      Not a bad deal. I don’t like Afflalo a lot, but I can live with that. But can I call myself a prescient one now? Nobody reported that figure before :-P

    21. You know? I wouldn’t be against a Calderon and fillers for Hibbert trade right now.

    22. JR was godawful for us last year. Seriously, if we replace all our godawful players from last year with slightly below average we should make a run at the playoffs in the east.

      Remember when we had that high-character guy Sammy D least season? Sigh, those were the days.

      PS – Where the heck did he go after being released? He went awol since.

    23. Z-man you make a good point. I’m convinced there will be bitching regardless.

    24. “While Phil should have gotten more from Cleveland for Shump, evidenced by the number of teams that wanted to sign him,”
      I didn’t read any Shumpert rumors. Were there really a number of teams who wanted to sign him? I’m stunned that anyone thinks that he’s worth $10 million/year.

    25. Now that I think about it, Calderon and fillers for Hibbert and a protected second round pick for David Lee and Looney would be a good haul. More cap space next year, yeah!

    26. anyone thinks that he’s worth $10 million/year.

      Well, it seems that GM/Father Le Bron thought he was.

    27. We should jump on the bandwagon and be the next team to trade for Ridnour lol

    28. To be fair, Shump will be overpaid for the first year or two, then will be a reasonable value in years 3 and 4, barring injury.

    29. To be fair, Shump will be overpaid for the first year or two, then will be a reasonable value in years 3 and 4, barring injury.

      Barring injury? this is Shump we’re talking about right?

    30. then will be a reasonable value in years 3 and 4, barring injury

      I don’t know, unless he improves to Tony Allen level I still think he won’t be.

    31. I think everyone has been associated with the Lakers so far though. It doesn’t matter. Cleveland was going to sign Shump to just about anything because they can’t do any real shopping.

    32. So since the draft, Phil has essentially converted TH2 into Jerian Grant and JR into Afflalo. Not sexy, but it would be pretty cynical to complain.

      The former was obviously great, but it is more accurate to say that Jackson decided that the cap room to sign Afflalo was more valuable than a first round pick for Shumpert, which it sure seems likely that they would have gotten, seeing as how they still got a second rounder for him even while attaching him to the JR contract albatross. Seeing as how Afflalo is not all that good, I’d have preferred for them to just eat the JR cap hit (this is not even taking into consideration the stretch provision) and take the first rounder. That isn’t to say that Afflalo and a second rounder instead of JR and a first rounder is an awful trade-off, but nor it is all that impressive. Jackson placed a very high premium on cap space during the season, so to then use it on Arron Afflalo isn’t all that impressive.

    33. It’s possible that another team would have trolled Cleveland with a near-max offer sheet to Shump, which would have forced them either to match or re-sign JR, no?

    34. I wonder if Cleveland would be interested in Calderon for Haywood’s non-guaranteed contract? Seems like Lebron has Gilbert over a barrel and luxury tax is no issue for them and they could use Calderon’s IQ and 3 pt. shooting.

    35. Yeah, Calderon makes some sort of sense there. He can’t defend anyone but is way better than Dellavedova at hitting open threes. He would be a sort of a James Jones-ish point guard. Or a much slower, but sharper, Boobie Gibson.

    36. That isn’t to say that Afflalo and a second rounder instead of JR and a first rounder is an awful trade-off, but nor it is all that impressive. Jackson placed a very high premium on cap space during the season, so to then use it on Arron Afflalo isn’t all that impressive.

      Well put. Plus JR opting-in was not guaranteed.

    37. Will be interesting to see what JR signs for — I’m actually amazed he opted out. Does Cleveland even need/want him? Kyrie, Shump, LBJ, Love, Mozgov starting. They really only need maybe a 15-20 min/night guy. Mo Williams, Alan Anderson, or Wayne Ellington are all guys that I’d rather have if I’m Cleveland. They just need someone who’s not awful on defense and can hit a 3 pointer.

      I think JR will ultimately end up on another team getting the mini-MLE. maybe the full MLE if he’s lucky.

    38. Yeah, I really, really, really don’t get why he opted out. Did no one advise him that that wouldn’t be a smart move with Cleveland having a gazillion other free agents to re-sign first? If he played well for one more year with Cleveland then he would make out really well next year. Now was the time to opt in. But, well, he’s JR Smith, who ever expects him to do the smart thing?

    39. Brian, I think the Shump for a first rounder thing is an unfair criticism of Jackson. It wasn’t a lottery pick or anything close, and that needs to be clearly stated when evaluating the decision. It could reasonable be argued that, at that point, he was trying to figure out what Shump was and didn’t want to sell low before seeing whether he would improve into a keeper. And considering that last year’s draft was weak, and that the pick possibly being offered was one of the Thunder’s end of first round picks, it was hardly a terrible gamble. At that time, Jackson could not have expected that Shumpert would play to a 0.020 WS48 and hurt his shoulder as the deadline approached (although late 1st round picks in a weak draft to me is about the same as dumping JR’s salary and getting a future 2nd.)

    40. I’m saying he could have gotten a first for him this past season. He got a second for him while attaching him to JR. That makes it pretty clear that had he traded Shump on his own, he would have gotten something better. Whether reasonable or not (I would argue not), teams out there like Shump. He is one of those guys who really benefited from playing in New York, which gave him a great (possibly undeserved) reputation on defense around the league. Lebron, for instance, loved the guy.

      At the time, I noted that Jackson valued the cap space the most in the deal. And as I said then, that was fair enough for Jackson to do (it’s not like I thought that the deal was awful at the time, I understood the argument for valuing cap space a lot), but if so, he better do something good with it. I don’t know that Afflalo counts as doing something good with it.

    41. Where was that deal proposed? Who would have given us a first rounder for Shump while he was playing to a 0.020 WS48 even before he hurt his shoulder? That is pure speculation. It was already pretty clear at that point that we were not going to match Shump’s eventual offer sheet (talk then was that someone would offer him $8+million, which eventually happened.) And is the difference between dealing him alone for a late/protected 1st rounder worth Afflalo and moving to the 2nd round in a later draft? I’d say yes.

      I suppose you could argue that during the 5-game window when Shump was hitting 50% from 3 was the time to trade him for his max value, but I can give Phil a pass on that. Ultimately, he turned Shump, JR and TH2 into Grant, Afflalo and a future 2nd rounder. That’s a huge win, in my book.

    42. This is getting ridiculous. We don’t friggin’ know what people were offering for Shump, and regardless, being wanted by LeBron might have been what really increased his value. Let’s not judge Phil’s cap space usage yet. I’m glad he didn’t blow it all on Carroll, and the other good FAs stayed put. We have a few more spots open, and 8M for Afflalo is pretty cheap.

      Chill, and wait, people.

    43. I suppose you could argue that during the 5-game window when Shump was hitting 50% from 3 was the time to trade him for his max value, but I can give Phil a pass on that. Ultimately, he turned Shump, JR and TH2 into Grant, Afflalo and a future 2nd rounder. That’s a huge win, in my book.

      THJ/Grant has nothing to do with the other deal.

      Shump/JR for Afflalo is a decided “meh.”

    44. Chill, and wait, people.

      Wait? The deal is done. He’s signed. And he’s a mediocre player at best but “cheap” at $8 million?

    45. Wait for the rest of Phil’s moves. And maybe not cheap, but reasonable for 1-2 years, with a rising cap at year 2. He’s a mediocre player on an OK short term deal. Ok with me.

    46. Also, that contract makes him a pretty much tradeable player. So I wouldn’t fret about it. I’m really meh, but I’m much more relieved than I was when the word of mouth was 48mln/4yrs.

    47. DRed, we need your opinion on this. Do you think you can skip this signing evaluation if you want to be GM in 2016?

      And where’s Jowles?

    48. I don’t want to be a downer, but I wonder if “not a stupid financially crippling deal” and “improvement over JR” sets the bar too low for judging the Afflalo signing. I’m not sure what better realistic options will be available this year or what the opportunity costs will be for future acquisitions. When you’re rebuilding almost from scratch, isn’t it better to hold out for pieces you really want to build around? I wish there had been a bit more patience and discipline rather than settling for an OK guy with no major strengths and clear weaknesses in areas where the team is already weak: defense/passing.

      It seems likely to me that a Calderon-Afflalo back court will get torched regularly. Now that we have Afflalo, I hope we trade Calderon for a pg who can defend and/or acquire a big who is an excellent defender in the paint. I also hope that big is not Hibbert who seems to have sulky quitter ways that would make him very hard for me to root for and might be a bad misstep toward a new team culture.

    49. I don’t want to be a downer, but I wonder if “not a stupid financially crippling deal” and “improvement over JR” sets the bar too low for judging the Afflalo signing.

      This is the knicks. Not doing anything stupid and financially crippling is setting the bar extremely high.

    50. Not doing anything stupid and financially crippling is setting the bar extremely high.

      Financially crippling isn’t even an option anymore, considering the cap jump on the horizon.

      Now it’s just down to convincing good players to play in NY at any price– something that is proving challenging. (not even because management is doing anything wrong, but because the CBA makes it so much more beneficial for players to stay where they are).

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