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We know that Dolan is far more spiteful than frugal. On that note, I wonder how much of Dolan insisting on staying below the second apron is out of spite, i.e. to keep the tax bill down because the money would go to the rest of the teams. He hates the other owners and the commissioner and vice versa. He hates that his media empire has been impacted by Silver’s deals with Prime, Peacock, etc. and ranted about it.
I also wonder if he is more angry at Mitch than the rest of the brass and Brown. Meaning that if Leon, Brunson, Browm, etc. are all trying to convince him to go over the second apron to retain Mitch, his response is “Not for that guy who almost cost me a championship…” It seems like that really is that is the only reason to do it, and it’s probably a hard sell, just like keeping Lin was a hard sell.
Dolan just burned liked $40M on Thibs, and before that, tens of millions on Phil. The Knicks are the most valuable franchise in the league and he’s raking in the championship spoils. It can’t be just the money, and if he’s saying no to Leon et. al., it can’t be for strategic reasons alone.
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I also have to wonder why persuasive voices like Rose, WWW, and Brunson can’t talk Dolan into going over the second apron line. Are their hearts just not into it? Is there dissent? Maybe medical is telling Dolan it’s a bad idea? If they pushed hard enough with airtight arguments (the most compelling of which might be that they could probably unload Mitch before the deadline for assets which would be better than losing him for nothing), would Dolan relent?
I guess we’ll have the answer by Wednesday.
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Dolan is an idiot.
Dude has tried to kill the vibes the moment they got to the finals.
I think the theory that he was too busy with the Sphere to mess up the last few years has gained some credence.
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I don’t buy that they were blindsided. They were $53,000 and change under the SA two years ago and $230,000 and change under the SA last year. They’ve rarely drafted and haven’t put a 1 in the regular, normal 1 draft slot number for years — clear evidence of picking and choosing your spots, and pinching pennies.
They didn’t go right up to within a rounding error of the SA, but not put their toes over the SA, by accident or coincidence. Plus it’s in the interest of the FO to paint it as them being surprised rather than not planning well. Can’t buy it. I can maybe buy “we can talk the boss out of it if and when we need to but let’s try to not need to,” but a full-on shock? No way.
Well said, Marechal.
Ever since the Knicks broke through the ECF and gained unprecedented local and national attention, he’s placed himself front & center: inviting Trump, acting like he’s Joe Namath, announcing the mandate, being a petty cunt at city hall, proclaiming that his players are going to the White House (good luck with that).
The razor is back with a vengeance.
Make no mistake: what may be about to happen is too stupid to come from the front office. And this is not something that happens all the time.
Mitch would be the best player thrown overboard by a defending champ since Tyson Chandler. Landry might even be the second best (it’s between him and PJ Tucker).
And there’s only been one contender in the apron era that’s panicked about the second apron: the Minnesota Timberwolves (talk about suicide).
Indeed, Dolan is an idiot.
For the record:
Prior to the NBA finals I had suggested Dolan might be the best owner in NY and that he could be headed for a second act like George Steinbrenner’s.
I was wrong. Even compared to a Yankees owner who is inexplicably fighting for a salary cap, Dolan is still, and will always be, the worst.
Fanatics, eccentrics, and extremists don’t get “better” with age, and their personality flaws and excesses don’t lessen — they get worse.
Textbook example from yesteryear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmoIjMr1BZs
Isn’t today the day that Alvarado delayed his player option too? I would guess we’ll be getting some idea on how the rest of free agency goes based on what happens with him.
The NBA champion Celtics stripped their team down to avoid the second apron . It’s why they are so much more beatable now
I don’t buy that they were blindsided. They were $53,000 and change under the SA two years ago and $230,000 and change under the SA last year. They’ve rarely drafted and haven’t put a 1 in the regular, normal 1 draft slot number for years — clear evidence of picking and choosing your spots, and pinching pennies.
They didn’t go right up to within a rounding error of the SA, but not put their toes over the SA, by accident or coincidence. Plus it’s in the interest of the FO to paint it as them being surprised rather than not planning well. Can’t buy it. I can maybe buy “we can talk the boss out of it if and when we need to but let’s try to not need to,” but a full-on shock? No way.
not persuasive. we were hard-capped below the second apron both of those years. we aggregated salaries our mega-trades in 24-25. last year we used the tpmle. those were relatively easy cases where staying under the second apron was the max flexibility move for immediate team improvement. not and accident or coincidence and also not evidence of second apron phobia applicable to this year.
“The not going into the second apron stuff, the front office did not advise that. It was not like the front office went to Dolan and was like, ‘No, it’s strategically helpful to not go into the second apron.’ That didn’t happen.” Katz reported.
“Dolan went on the radio, said they’re not going into the second apron. And then there were people in the Knicks who were like, ‘Wait, what?’ The Knicks front office understands that if they don’t go into the second apron, they’re going to lose guys.”
“People were blindsided,” Edwards added.
“Were hard-capped” is too passive a verb, IMHO, and as with the Yabu example offered up a couple days ago, confuses/reverses the causal arrow.
Wrong
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45696842/brad-stevens-says-celtics-trades-made-avoid-second-apron
The proof that you’re wrong is in your link. Hint: look at the date.
Also, not for nothing, I would hardly describe trading Jrue and Porzingis after the years they both had as panic moves. They made the Celtics better. We’re not getting Anfernee Simons back for Mitch. We’re getting nothing.
This is technically true but skirts over the important fact that their best player suffered a season ending injury and KP is so unreliable that 17 games after Boston salary dumped him Atlanta did the same thing.
Repost day? 😀
I don’t have anything to repost, so i’ll say this:
I’m just happy that we are NBA Champions and i trust in the guys that have take us there! 🙂
Also, i’m happy we are bringing Mo back, i have a feeling he’ll be a good player in this league. And now we’ll get to see if MB didn’t play him more to not showcase him to other teams, or if it was just because he didn’t feel that he should do it.
Boston blew it up because they would owe half a billion in luxury taxes in a year they weren’t going to be competitive. Had nothing to do with the apron.
I seem to recall KP and Jrue playing when the then champion Celtics lost to the Knicks.
I was ok with staying under the second apron as a strategic move. But if the front office is saying they need to go for it and the owner is doing this two weeks after winning a championship, screw him.
I’m choosing the OG orantly believe Mitch will be back until there is a tangible big offer from another team on the table.
I’m lookin at what back up bigs make and Mitch is already one of the highest paid back up bigs in the league.
If we’re ignoring the SA stuff and just going purely on what is a reasonable salary for a back up center, does it make sense to resign him for 20 million a year?
I get we want to repeat but beyond the second apron stuff, does resigning a center who shoots 35 percent from the free throw line and has to be load managed at a contract that’s notes than 15 million a year for multiple years really a smart move.
Put it another way. If the lakers do offer him 20 million a year, what is the chance that they will deeply regret that decision within the next two years?
I love the dude but I still think some of this SA stuff could all be posturing by us and Rose could be letting Dolan be the “bad cop” in this situation, similar to how Thibs was let go.
Coping, I know.
It is not!
The NBA champion Celtics went over the second apron, won 61 games, and were the favorites to win the East right up until the moment Tatum ruptured his achilles.
And again: trading Jrue and Porzingis were not panic moves. They were the kind of smart moves the Celtics always make.
I love Mitch and want him back. Well, i’m a homer, i want everybody back (almost) all the time. LOL
But how would you rate Mitch’s performance this playoffs? Between the hack-a-Mitch and KAT playing a lot better on defense than previously expected by the most optimistic, which lead to less minutes needed from Mitch, i don’t know… it really depends on the number that we’ll have to pay him.
It made all the basketball sense in the world to be below the second apron until we went on this unexpected playoff run. Or more precisely, as long as Giannis was a possibility. We would have had one less first to trade and couldn’t aggregate. So whatever Dolan thought, or if he was even paying attention , before then is irrelevant.
This is also wrong.
Not only was there no basketball reason to go over the second apron last summer, it was (nearly) mathematically impossible to.
The only reason we were even close is because we used the $5.5M TPMLE.
They were closer two years ago than they were last year.
I found this Dolan story from last week to be very telling, btw:
Dolan’s not the kind of guy who listens to people when they tell him you have to drive differently in the snow. He’s an idiot who learns by crashing his car, probably multiple times.
That’s what’s going on here with him and the second apron.
I’ve given this idiot way too much of my time this week and I need to sign off and enjoy a weekend away with my little guy. But before I go I will leave Leon with the greatest compliment I can ever give him:
Even though it looks certain that Dolan is going to senselessly steer this car into a tree, Leon gives me hope. He has negotiated with Dolan and pricks like him his whole life. If anyone can figure out a way to get this moron to change his mind, it’s Leon Rose.
Godspeed.
I don’t understand this point at all. In both years they were hard capped at the second apron because they traded for Mikal (24-25) and used the TPMLE (25-26). There’s every reason to believe they thought these moves made the team better than going over the second apron would’ve, and because of, you know, the rules of the CBA, it was truly a one-or-the-other situation.
It’s not analogous to this offseason at all, in which it’s blatantly obvious that the 26-27 team is optimized by going over the second apron.
Edit: oh, ptmilo beat me
Tidbits of reporting from this AM:
Stein says the Nets are pursuing Mitch, which seems to me like little more than an attempt at trolling. What value does Mitch have to a horrible team with no path to contention anytime soon?
Katz confirms that we can put to bed the idea that this is simply basketball strategy. The front office sees the same thing we do–going over the second apron for a single season is hardly a huge deal, and gives us the best chance to defend our god damn title. It’s literally just fuckin’ Dolan:
[November 1996] – There is no way the Yankees are going to win another championship without Ruben Sierra, Jimmy Key, & John Wetteland?
IF THEY GO ALL IS LOST! WE ARE DOOMED!
Mike, baseball didn’t have a salary cap(*). The Yankees were able to sign David Wells and make trades, etc. The Knicks will be MUCH more hamstrung if Mitch and/or Shamet just walk out the door.
(*) Speaking of which, the proposals floating around yesterday from MLB ownership were so ridiculous, there’s no way there won’t be a long and ugly lockout next season. James Dolan isn’t the only stubborn, self-destructive billionaire owner out there.
I get it, Mike. But no is suggesting all is lost. Just that this is dumb.
And I don’t think Ariel Hukporti is Mariano Rivera.
Still reverses the causal arrow.
It’s in their interest to publicly frame it this way.
Mitch is “pointy” as opposed to well-rounded. He’s a great defender and rebounder. He’s an abysmal free throw shooter, with bad hands, and a hot & cold finisher around the rim. In the correct circumstance, he can grab a key offensive rebound or make a defensive play. Other than that he’s potentially detrimental to the team.
But he’s super valuable in those moments you need him. And for a team reaching for a championship those moments can be game/series changing. Honestly I think the Knicks handled him great last year. Play him sparingly during the year, and put him in those critical playoff spots and he’ll grab that free throw rebound to contribute to the win of a game.
How much that is worth, I don’t know.
I think the wolves have NOS (new owner syndrome). The person or persons who just bought the team are so confident in themselves they think they can do better than the previous management. They then go after the most readily available shiny thing.
And, on another matter, the Nets are going to be much better this year. They have no reason to lose since they don’t control their own draft pick, they have a good coach and they upgraded their talent basically for free by adding Randle.
For fuck’s sake, E, shove the causal arrow up your ass.
You’re wrong. It’s not an opinion, it’s math. And it’s been explained to you in painstaking detail that you continue to ignore.
Dolan doesn’t want to look bad by having the team do something he said was a nono, so León and team have to find an excuse to make him look good anyway. Or maybe just promise they’ll get under the second apron later in the season.
Still reverses the causal arrow.
so your working theory is that the knicks traded for kat and mikal in order to stay under the second apron
Is E suggesting the trade for Mikal Bridges was a next-best-thing solution after the front office was told that going over the second apron wasn’t an option? That’s hilarious.
I mean, what even were the options for going over the second apron that would’ve even plausibly represented a larger basketball upgrade? Keeping Matt Ryan on the active roster for longer?
True. And the ’96 Yankees had a lot of young players blossoming.
My analogy is that as long as you have the core starters returning, and you’re not gutting the team, you can lose a player here & there. If Mitch wants starter money, and some team is going to give it to him, I’d think he’d be going whether or not the Knicks were going to go over the apron.
As others have mentioned we picked up Alvarado for some seconds mid-year. There will be other vets looking for a ring or teams looking to go yard sale by December, and players who can fill those 6-10 roles will be available.
I know it’s a gamblers fallacy, but I also think that bringing the entire team back may not be the best option. Shamet and Mitch are injury risks, so even if you opened up the coffers to re-sign them, there’s no guarantee they’ll stay healthy to contribute.
And I’m still freaking happy this team won, and really can’t vibe with the negativity, albeit as directed as it sometimes is. Even if Dolan is being a cheap idiot. I’m still enjoying 2026.
Nope — the whole theory rests on the transactions leading to having to stay under the second apron and there’s no reason to believe — and lots of reasons not to believe — that the order was the flip-flop opposite.
Moreover, the Mikal trade is itself a pretty good example of why you’d want to preserve your ability to aggregate salaries.
That’s not what he’s suggesting.
Now do Yabu.
MLB owners need to protect themselves – from themselves…
What is mind-blowing here is that if the front office was planning on going over the second apron and then the owner changes his mind on a whim, you are really hampering a multi-year strategy in ways that might be irreversible.
Yes, there is reason to believe. Concrete, undeniable, irrefutable, mathematical reasons that you continue to ignore.
As Boromir famously said in the Council of Elrond: one does not simply go over the second apron. You need to have someone on your team to sign that would take you over it. That person did not exist in 2024 or 2025. There was literally no one they could have paid that would have taken them over the second apron in either year.
Hence the causal arrow is crystal clear to everyone except you.
every one has a number…mitch has a number…just how much money is he willing to lose to stay…
hard to imagine anything longer than a 3 year deal coming his way…the difference between what we are offering and what another team is willing to pay is probably somewhere between 8 to 10 million…
winder if mitch and his agent think he’s okay to start, play 30 minutes a game, over the course of a season…
There were plenty of guys up. At least Bogdonovic, Hartenstein (2024), KAT and Mikal extension eligible (2025). Probably others, too, but I’m not going to spend all day on Sportrac.
They of course were limited in what they could pay Hartenstein in 2024 and lost him as a result because they didn’t pick up his Bird rights and only went two years, which never made even a tiny lick of sense — but now actually kind of does.
The Celtics knew they were unlikely to win without Tatum (who was highly likely to either not play at all or be less than 100%). There was no reason at all to pay massive taxes and lose flexibility long term just to keep Holiday (getting old), Porzingis (having chronic POTS) and don’t forget they also let go of Horford.
Jrue Holiday had a good season for Portland.
Horford just signed another 2 year deal with Golden State.
Prozingis continued to have issues with POTS but was still capable of doing his thing when on the court for Golden St and is still in negotiations.
All 3 have lost a step or two from their peak, but all 3 would have helped Boston last year in the playoffs had they known they would still be pretty good and Tatum would make it back.
Mikal did of course extend, and it had no implications for his 2025-2026 salary because it was…an extension. That’s how extensions work. Are you confusing them with renegotiations, something that is literally illegal unless you have sufficient cap space?
I’m addressing the incorrect assertion that they didn’t have guys up for contract they could pay.
Gotta love that KBer has a “Let’s dump Mitch for no benefit” contingent
Perhaps the very Knicksiest thing to ever happen in my 20+ years of perpetually miserable fandom is to actually finally deliriously win a chip and within 24 hours have Dolan smash the trophy with a hammer and then drop his drawers, crouch down, and shit all over the shattered pieces.
I don’t think even Alan, with all his narrative experience, could have crafted a more perfectly emblematic ending to the season.
Who knew it was turkey yeah? Wtf
Mitch is the quintessential NTPMLE player. He’s a 15-20 mpg bench guy with obvious gaping holes in his overall game. We are arguing about whether it’s worth getting into a bidding war for him which would almost certainly lead to overpaying him and going into the second apron.
The most comparable player to him as a pivotal bench player making significant money for limited minutes is Alex Caruso who makes $18-22M. Another is TJ who makes around $11M. Mitch is in that range, probably closer to Caruso because of positional scarcity, but not the same because Caruso can theoretically play more minutes.
If he gets offered more than the NTPMLE, good for him.
I like mitch, a lot…hard for me though to picture him as an essential championship piece…
maybe just jalen, KAT and OG…
plus, don’t want to fret too much about the thing…i was sure last time mitch’s contract came up was sure he’d leave…
Who did Sportrac have to fuck?
The second apron was put in place in part to protect the league from stupid owners like Dolan (by far the stupidest), who can’t help themselves by spending money inefficiently given the salary cap, resulting in one of the highest payrolls and one of the worst records. How ironic and moronic that he would embrace it now.
Everyone on this blog knows we couldn’t offer Hartenstein more money.
So it’s Bojan.
Your argument rests on the idea that we traded for KAT & Mikal bc we weren’t allowed to go over the second apron & max Bojan.
Yes — because of the seemingly inexplicable decision — but not so much anymore — to not give him the third year and get his Bird rights.
The 2024-25 Knicks plus Hartenstein would have been (well) over the second apron — assuming the timing and chronology would have worked to assemble it that roster under the rules, which I’m not going to bother trying to piece back together.
That’s pretty much “the defense rests” territory.
Hartenstein really should now be seen as the first asset (other than all the draft picks) they had to throw overboard, though much more indirectly than, say, Mitch.
Bigger picture, this whole argument is angels on the head of a pin stuff — when was the mandate issued, now or before???– which probably isn’t worth all the effort and the stick it up your asses. Worst case scenario for Team Trust Leon is that he went all in front-loaded and it resulted in a championship. Pretty excellent result. Doesn’t seem worth the effort to dispute every little last thing around it.
Dramatic much? Do you even remember Isaiah Thomas?
I mean, look at Phoenix. There’s something to be said for austerity (sometimes).
I’m willing to bet my house that not a single poster, in an ideal world, would want Mitch to leave at all, especially for nothing in return.
I hate the Isiah Joe trade (for the Knicks, to be clear, it’s a great pickup for Detroit, for two seconds!).
Think I read someplace that letting Shamet & Alvy walk + all the draft penny pinching would allow the Knicks to offer Mitch up to $13 MM and remain below the 2A.
Too lazy to work out for myself if that # is accurate but if we assume it is for the sake of argument, that’s a $2 MM cut from his current salary. Which is why many are writing him off as gone, reasoning there’s no way he would want to take less on what figures to be his last big multiyear deal.
Sounds reasonable. So the question then becomes – what is the amount over and above $13 MM that would entice Mitch to leave a situation where (1) he’s comfortable and knows he’s loved; (2) the coaches and medical staff have tailored their approach to maximize his ability to stay on the court; and (3) there are likely endorsement opportunities coming off a title in the nation’s largest media market that would help make up for the salary shortfall?
I doubt he would leave if the offer is just $15 million. 17? Maybe. 18-20? Fo sho. I know reports are that there are a number of teams out there who are clamoring to pay him that amount but seeing is believing. I’m not sure that’s the market price for a 20 min/gm specialist with notable limitations in his game.
Maybe I’m just whistling past the graveyard but I’ll continue sticking to my guns: Mitch stays.
There are some benefits in flexibility epsecially long term if we wind up staying above the 2nd apron for too many years. It would help to delay going over by a year. Eventually, Brunson, Deuce, KAT and OG would have to get extended to keep this going.
So the question becomes is bringing the same team back to maximize our chances of winning over the next couple of years by x% worth potentially having to break it up later and potentially shortening the window to avoid the worst strategic penalities later worth it?
That also has to weighed against the possibility we go over now, see what happens and then retreat next year or even at the deadline if we don’t like what we see.
hanging out in redwood city up on the 3rd floor facing west…absolutely love how this area has soooooo much greenery everywhere mixed in with the urban sprawl…
generally not so urban friendly, all this greenery every where is nice though…plus all the overcast looking weather from being between the bay and ocean…lots of people, everywhere…
was kind of sad to see this younger person (20’s) sitting in the waiting room, by himself…mostly just seen older ladies in the treatment centers…
moved to the east side of the building, sis is all hooked up…nurse helping out…thank goodness for the folks’ willing to help care for others…tough tough job walking in to a hospital/healthcare facility to go to work…
can see the south most part of the bay from here…and the 101, oh well…
Now you’re suggesting the mandate to stay under the apron goes all the way back to the summer of 2022, when the aprons didn’t even exist.
And your math is still wrong.
From a valuation perspective, this would be the best time ever for Dolan to sell the Knicks.
Keeping payroll down is helpful for a sale.
I wonder if something is in the works. Wishful thinking, probably.
ess-dog, yes, Thomas was a perpetual horror show, however that was a continuous slow slog through poop.
This was getting to the highest high literally possible, then immediately crashing down into the fecal pool. So yeah, dramatic much.
I fully expect one day gondrezick for mitch to own multiple businesses in the empire state…
don’t fill yourself with regret like jeremy lin…who’s mitch represented by…
now is not the time to leave the knicks…didn’t mitch get a taste of that 17 win season back in ’18/’19…
again, what about the poor dogs, old coach guy, his partner and child…
can’t imagine he’d be happy living out here in so cal…or up around sacramento…
plus, have to meet a whole bunch of new people…stay mitch stay…
From a valuation perspective, this would be the best time ever for Dolan to sell the Knicks.
not to mention that 162m goes into effect for msgs’ 27-28 fiscal year and will cost the company ~$55-60mm a year of marginally non-deductible salaries but wouldn’t apply if they went private.
Billionaires buy & own sports teams because it confers upon them a recognition & relevance in the popular culture they would otherwise lack unless they’re named Elon, Gates, or Buffett.
No one would give so much as a dried up turd for Guitar Jimmy & His Fake Ass Blues Band were he not the owner of the Knicks & Rangers. No way that fucking narcissist ever sells. He’ll be hanging on to the teams until grim death.
Duren is disgruntled.
Dolan’s power is owning the Knicks. Being the owner of the Knicks gives him the confidence to stand on City Hall and try to sh*t on the mayor, even though he looks like a complete fool. Without the Knicks he’s literally a nobody in this town. Just a rolex wearing 5’3″ mid guitar player.
You’re still assuming Dolan cares about the aprons per se, but he doesn’t — he cares about the tax he’d have to pay and the luxury tax has been part of the NBA for 20+ years. (Yes, he’s paid it before, but he’s clearly changed his mind about it and flat out said so in public.)
If you’re horrified about the Hartenstein idea, then you’re really going to be horrified when the suggestion is thrown out that there’s a very decent likelihood that Jalen Brunson (agents, Sam Rose/Aaron Mintz, CAA) was informed of the Dolan payroll edict and that’s why he took the option of lower money now, more money later rather than wait.
Leon and team guaranteed ran a bunch of different scenarios all along with various contracts, including targets like KAT, and projected aprons, covering Year T and then T+1, T+2, T+3, etc. That’s a big part of the job. There’s no mystery about any of this and it’s a very talented management team, and so when you then see a bunch of odd things happen — draft picks routinely incinerated/charred/seared; an already significantly-underpaid star player back-loading his paydays; not getting Bird rights on a coveted free agent that you worked hard to be able to get, etc. — and then you see the owner announce out of the blue that he has a limited payroll, at that point the odd things no longer seem that odd, but instead perfectly sensible, and a talented management team tends to do sensible things by intended choice rather than by accident or coincidence or happenstance.
This topic has now been beaten completely to death and the stakes are miniscule and so I’m going to make that my last word on the topic.
that all sounds like a lot of math…
The Buss family still sold most of their stake in the Lakers, though. Cuban, somewhat a similar guy, sold his majority stake too.
Mark Williams’ deal gives me hope for a Mitch return. Problem is other teams that need him can offer more and a starting role. I’m praying he stays because he’d be incredibly hard to replace for this particular team as constructed.
Also, the Mets finally fired Mendy? Can’t say I don’t agree, even though I had high hopes for him. But I think this season falls squarely on Stearns, the Boy Genius. I can get behind acquiring Bichette, Peralta, and even Roberts Jr..but Semien and Polanco were horrible decisions. Crazy thing is whenever Roberts returns, he’s gonna have to beat out Ewing and Benge. I’d love to keep starting the 2 of them, but that’s nowhere near enough pop in the lineup. Can Benge handle CF full time if Roberts takes Right? I certainly hope so. If he does indeed have the range, speed, and arm to handle CF- that would be a crazy outfield defensively with Roberts’ speed and arm in Right. I like my corner outfielders to have stronger arms. Especially in Left, where I think Soto’s arm works. I don’t know what to do with Semien though. At this stage is he a better second baseman than Polanco? I know he’s still sharp defensively, but his bat makes him not worth the starts there. Should have never let Alonso leave in the alleged name of “versatility”.
Another theory which I find pretty persuasive is that Dolan has a pathological hatred for revenue sharing, and won’t pay out big luxury tax $$ out of pure spite. It explains why he suddenly is averse to spending money now; it’s where it’s going, not the dollar amount. This tracks with what we know of his personality and character, that he’s a petty, loathsome creature prone to self-defeating outbursts.
I just saw the Pistons traded for Isaiah Joe…I fully expect him to break out next season starting next to Cade. Well, break out more than he has these past 2 seasons anyway.
Also..if we lose Shamet, can’t we just replace him on the vet minimum with Malik Beasley? I think I would like that.
Strong concur.
hi Mike K….hope your day is well…
I have an odd question…have you compiled data from the “Thumps Up” thing?
wondering which 3 posters have accumulated the most thumbs…
i know i’m no where near there, sort of, kind of track it, because like E, I just can’t help myself sometimes…
question for you too donnie…
wondering – do you exclaim random phrases in public, often, all the time…do your children chide you about it…
Edit: oh my goodness, you are poop posting aren’t you…
limited time to interact, finally get a minute alone…blurt out some weird shit online…feel much better for whole experience.
Well, there is no way to defend the Apron Edict for basketball reasons. It makes no strategic sense. It’s strictly James Dolan being an idiot. It’s at the level of “let’s hire Phil Jackson because his agent can get my band to open for the Eagles.” It’s just pure baroque dumbshittery from the world’s lamest billionaire.
There’s a good reason why the Knicks were the LOLKnicks for decades. That reason wears a fedora and foists his shitty blues lawyer music on people who have no interest in hearing it. That reason installs an Orwellian security system at his arena and bans anybody who might criticize him.
James Dolan is a disease of a human being. The disease was in remission for a while. Those were good times. It’s hard enough to win a championship in this league WITHOUT James Dolan fucking up your shit.
How fucking tragic that it hasn’t even been two weeks since the Knicks won the title and more than half the discussion in that time has been dominated by the asshole that owns the team.
Luis Robert sucks and will hopefully never play another game for the Mets. AJ Ewing is the CF, he is already the second best position player on the team, playing at a 4 WAR level in CF at age 21. That is your CF, not Luis Robert’s bum ass.
The Mets have a team option on Robert that they should decline. CF is the one position going forward they don’t have to worry about.
This season’s failures are mostly on Stearns, but Mendy was a terrible manager and the coaching staff is also abysmal. The team did not show up ready to play from day one.
did not know jimmy d was five foot three…
was encouraged to see his son at the key ceremony appearing to take his fitness discipline much more seriously…
don’t do like dad may be a family thing for them…yeah, I got crazy family too, so whatever…universal rng…
heck, no doubt at times i’ve been that other crazy family member…
If James Dolan wasn’t a Dolan, he’d be a middle school gym teacher who gets shit canned for slamming a kids head into a basketball stanchion
The not wanting to pay taxes theory has to be abandoned because the Knicks have been paying taxes — $38M last year, projected $45M this year.
If they’re paying taxes, that kinda flips the script back to “Maybe Leon and team really believe that the SA shouldn’t be exceeded for basketball reasons, or they hinted in that direction to Dolan and Dolan took it and ran with it to unintended points.”
Anyone know when Leon’s contract as POBO expires?
There must be at least a couple of teams out there who see what he’s been able to accomplish while hamstrung by The League’s Worst Owner® and are chomping at the bit to find out how much more he could do if given free rein.
Right now we all have to pretend that a national monument was vandalized by scuba diving Antifa members cutting football-field length gashes in a reflecting pool and then dumping “algae seeds” and fertilizer in it because some narcissist jagoff can’t just say “yeah I fucked that one up, sorry, my bad.”
This is the equivalent of pretending that we’re not going into the second apron for actual basketball reasons. We’re being asked to squint our eyes at it and pretend it’s normal, and pretend that the emperor in fact is wearing clothes.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/MSGS/
88% increase in value on the year.
I’m completely with MikeK on this one: I just got to finally witness one of the VERY few things I’ve dreamed for my entire life. To that end…
1. I don’t think Hukporti is Mo Rivera in the wings either, but Raven pointed out in a previous post about my beliefs about the systemic flexibility that this front office has been built upon. I trust in that wholeheartedly, even with Dolan about to seriously test that.
2. I love Mitch. You love Mitch. We all love Mitch. I believe there’s one to two things he does better than anyone else in the NBA. How do you value that against his injury history, minutes restriction, and other things when it comes to trying to re-up him (or making maneuvers to do so)? I honestly don’t know. And let’s say someone like the Lakers (ew) want to throw him starting C $$ and he wants that. I’d personally wish him well, and simultaneously tell said team good luck with your expectations of managing him like a frontline starter.
3. We’re not used to being the team to attract cheap veteran ring-chasers. I don’t know what that world looks like, and while its “safer” to keep Shamet, Clarkson (and even Mitch), I understand asking the hard question of what a specialist (or overachieving vet min guy) is worth. And yes, I know the counter is that it’s Dolan that’s gonna force Leon n Co to tackle this.
4. If Dolan is being extra again, well, at least Leon maneuvered well enough for long enough to get a ring. Hell, build his statue next to Brunson’s just for that alone.
He’s naked af, but in any event, here are the facts as I understand them. Happy to be corrected, consider this in the vein of crowdsourcing.
1. Leon’s run started in 2020. The Knicks paid no taxes in each of Leon’s first four seasons.
2. In 2024-25, the Knicks paid a tax bill of around $38 million.
3. In 2025-26, they’ve either paid or are estimated to owe a tax bill of just over $45 million.
4. The tax threshold has nothing to do with the aprons and is typically around $8-10 million less than the first apron.
5. The tax rate has nothing to do with the aprons, and so the ultimate tax bill has nothing to do with whether you’re over an apron. (And therefore, Dolan’s Apron Edict has nothing to do with his pocketbook, so long as the team’s payroll is over the tax threshold, which it will be for the foreseeable future.)
6. The tax rate you pay goes up rather significantly if you become a repeat taxpayer, which you become by being a taxpayer in three of the last four seasons. Therefore, if the Knicks are a taxpayer next season, it will be at significantly higher rates.
Just not seeing any relationship between the second apron and Dolan’s pocketbook. Maybe I’m missing it.
I don’t really even think Mitch wants to start. He’s never chimed in about becoming KAT’s backup, and all the players including him seem to have bought into what Mike Brown’s selling.
The only thing I think Mitch would possibly change is to live somewhere closer to his current farmland (or future farmland), but it’s not like he’d get to go there much during the season anyway.
dolan doesn’t seem like the worst owner to partner up with, and, it is the new york knicks and madison square garden…which i’m sure raises everyone associated tolerance level…
leon and wes seem like a pretty formidable duo…in that roommates episode with leon he mentioned going solo on the initial OG negotiations…
his attire was telling…wonder how many hours a week leon works…30 to 50, or more like 60 to 70…
E, if the Knicks had gotten Hartenstein’s bird rights, that means he would have been making $8M in 2024-25. They would not have even been over the first apron. They would have been one of the biggest bargains in basketball.
And you’re suggesting we passed on that bargain so we wouldn’t have his bird rights in 2025.
I know we say this a lot, but this is truly the stupidest idea anyone has ever come up with here. Give it a rest.
I got one, but they only had one size lower than my regular size.
Now I’m on a six-day-a-week push-pull-leg routine.
oh shoot, just read, he keeps the dogs in pelicans’ (dumb team name) territory…got another spot by the grizz…
he’s too young to think about retiring yet…
so, not only can you sense disloyalty like nobody’s business (not cheers benedict arnold breen), you also have fine fashion sense…
well done sir 😊
Mike is a rate guy, not a counting guy. Ask for thumbs up/36 or eTU%
Thought I’d opened a gracious exit point, but guess not (and for the effort got a “you’re really stupid” thrown in for good measure.)
They were $53,000 under the second apron in 2024-25 without Hartenstein’s $8M, which in fact could have been 20% or whatever the rule is higher than his 2023-24 $8M. His contract was 8-8; it could have been something like 8-9.6-11 (assuming 8 was their limit for the first year.)
So literally no idea where you’re going with this one, which really means we should move on. Under the first apron? The 2024-25 roster with Hartenstein would have been over the second apron. It was $11 million over the first apron without him.
Now I’m really moving on, with the new (to me, anyway) information that they’ve actually been a taxpayer the last two years, rendering Dolan’s Apron Edict even more ridiculous and petty and vindictive.
did you just finish sitting in a bidet enabled seat?
In fact I did, but I didn’t use it cause, by nature, I am still a New Yorker.
Random JB thought:
Some Finals highlights popped up in my algorithm on YouTube and I was bored enough to watch. Came away with one thought:
I’m not sure that even Ewing was a bigger ‘suck-it-up-and-keep-pushing-for-this-win” type of warrior than Brunson. I really feel like that with his Finals performance, he reached AI toughness territory. It seemed like every other possession he was getting knocked silly or turning an ankle or something. Hell..in game 5(I believe) he was bleeding through his leg sleeve. If he wants to rest in a cryochamber until training camp, I have no problem with that lol. Josh too- he got knocked around alot also
The Isiah Joe trade makes me a little more optimistic that we can retain Shamet relatively cheap.
The guy has shot 41% or better from deep in the last 4 seasons, on 10 attempts/36. A 65 TS%. He’s a competent defender. Had a +2.5 BPM this season in 1500 minutes. And he will make $11m. If the price for that is only two first round picks, I have to imagine the market for Shamet will not be too competitive. Maybe the TPMLE?
Guys, stop thinking about Dolan and go watch Landry and John Turturro talk about the finals run. It’s awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vAo3d48bdo
Actually you can think about Dolan while watching this, because Shamet is pretty clear in saying Game 3 was the weirdest vibe.
I can tell you who would garner the most “least liked” thumbs.
Man, when Landry starts talking about the bench being the X factor across the board for winning, and all of them backing each other in ways he’s never seen before, and now we’re talking about dismantling the bench, it just makes me want to cry…
Dude you’re counting KAT and Hartenstein together. Please stop.
I think it’s clear. If the Knicks want Mitch and/or Landry back, they’re going over the 2nd apron. What does that mean for now and the next few years? I’m not an expert in these things but the way I see it, the Knicks have their starting 5 this year. 4 out of the 5 next year and then?
Yeah, Dolan stinks. Leon’s a hero. Agree. But can the Knicks compete for the title in 26/27 and 27/28 if over the 2nd apron? I think that’s the big question. My gut says yes.
Alvarado declined his PO and is signing a 3-year $14-plus mil contract with us, per Shams.
My neighbor is still on the team, love it.
Mo is back, GTA is back… 🧡💙
Will the threads self destruct like “Mission Impossible” if we bring everybody back?
Can letting Clarkson go by itself achieve the Mitch/Shamet/Alvie/Kool Moe D superfecta? Or would Deuce have to go, too? My order (not taking into account that we’ve already got two back in the fold):
Mitch
Alvie
Shamet
Deuce
Kool Moe D
Clarkson
That was difficult to do, except for putting Clarkson last. Nothing personal—he’s just a bit older than the rest.
Wonder if this means we’re trying to trade Kolek (and Dadiet?) for cap relief.
When I wrote Knickerblocker, I really missed an opportunity to gather stats on the most blocked usernames. Oh well!
(This is your friendly reminder – if you use Chrome on desktop, you can install the Knickerblocker plugin and hide the neverending parade of doomsaying from the same psychologically disturbed individuals).
Or Deuce.
Also, we resigned Alvarado! Great news!
3 year 14-plus is what I read. It sounds like money might have been scaled by year starting low. I’m curious if there’s an option.
If Duren is the shiny thing for rich team is ers to covet maybe teams will focus on him instead of Mitch. My fingers are crossed.
Other teams wanting him is the least of our problems. We can keep him if we just want to enough.
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