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  • Stephen A. Smith: ‘I am a bigger star than most of the New York Knicks’ – New York Post
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  • 64 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2024.01.05)”

    Seems unlikely. Literally days ago you (and everyone else) thought he was going to end up with the same salary he is currently (adjusted for cap inflation).

    Uh, no. Some of us wrote “literally” weeks and months ago about his upcoming free agency and how worried they were because he could get (well deserved) “starting C” money.
    It’s true that some others (maybe the majority) don’t.

    I’m so sad you don’t read my recaps Hubie! 😉

    Anyway, Isaiah Hartenstein is a CAA guy and we know it means something.
    You know how they say: “You have to be Klutch to avoid CAA’s clutches”. 🙂

    Re: John Gianelli

    WOW! What a blast from the past.

    I watched G-Man play weekly for Olimpia Milano from 1980 to 1983 (when he retired) and I used to bump into him (and Mike D’Antoni*) at their headquarters, when we skip school to go buy tickets for the games…
    Man, life was a lot different before internet and E-Commerce… 🙂

    My memories of him in the international environment: stone faced, high BB-IQ, good touch from 15-18 feet (we’re talking pre-3pointers in FIBA), smart defender with long arms and good timing but less athletic than a marble sloth.

    He was the player traded to Buffalo for Bob McAdoo (who too later played in Italy for 7 seasons, 4 with Olimpia, history always repeats itself).

    Those were the days! 😀

    * Mike played 13 season for Olimpia, winning 5 titles in 8 finals and 2 Champions Cup (the precursor to Euroleague) before coaching the team for 4 years.
    It’s funny, at the time Mr. Pringles of 7SOL fame was renowned for his defense, his nickname was “Arsenio” (as in Arsene Lupin) for his ability to pickpocket ballhandlers and disrupt passing lanes…

    Thanks for that anecdote, Max. Kind of forget about all the NBA players who used to continue in Europe after their careers… These days they make too much money for that to be of interest, mostly. But you’d think that if they really love playing, what a cool experience to do it and live in another country for awhile. I’d like to see 45-year-old LeBron play for Real Madrid for a couple years…

    I don’t know if the Warriors are going to make any trades or if the return of Draymond will help at all, but I’m sort of looking forward to watching Kerr eventually have to coach a rebuilding team that sucks.

    @Rama,
    Until the mid-00’s, before the G-League, the raise of the one-and-done and the spike in salaries, a lot of great players came here to end their careers, “recharge” before going back to the NBA or even make some experience after college before entering the League.

    If you were lucky enough to live in a good basketball town it was heaven, I can easily build an All-Star roster with the players I watched play live here. 🙂

    Now there are still good players but, for instance, a lot of youngsters rather play in the G-League for less money that cross the pond.

    Belatedly watched the Bulls game…

    – After 2 games it looks like the “lost USG%” is going mainly to Julius and a bit to JB and DDV. It’s very early, the starters need time to incorporate OG better, but the former intimidating Bench Mob now looks more like a not-so-imposing boy scouts team and badly needs firepower.

    – Speaking about Julius, this year’s model, less a stretch-4 and more an old-style capital “P” Power Forward, is more effective, he makes less dumb mistakes and has raised his defensive effort quite a bit. Now he only needs to stop bitching constantly with the refs…

    – JB’s spike in assists is really nice. There’s a chance, depending on our record in the next 2-3 weeks, that both he and Julius could earn an all-star berth, choosen by the coaches.

    – Deuce’s extension is fully guaranteed. It’s not a lot of money but still…

    – Coby White’s having a very good season, especially after LaVine went down with his injury.

    – Tonight is one of those “nothing to lose” games I like so much. Embiid always kills us, like he does to most of the league, we have 24 fouls to spend (I-Hart, Achiuwa, Taj, Jericho) and one of the keys will be the refeering.

    I asked Macri the same Scorer vs Playmaker question (regarding any minor bench acquisition we might try for) I put here yesterday. He voted heavily in favor of Playmaker. An excerpt:

    The more time Randle has with backup units, the better he’ll get at making reads, but it’s also unfair to ask him to do this much heavy lifting on every possession. I also don’t know how much better “better” will really get with Julius, who has the occasional issues making quick, correct reads.

    Getting another scorer would give the Knicks someone else who can create advantages that can then be capitalized on, but is any “minor” piece, as Alan puts it, really going to be a better option than Julius?

    Far better would be to get someone who can put Randle in advantageous situations, like getting downhill, or at the very least, not having to navigate a thicket of bodies to attain good post position. Simply acquiring a ball handler who a) knows how to run a pick & roll, b) teams can’t sag off of and c) can punish teams for going under screens should be enough to unlock enough efficient possessions to make these minutes tenable. Between Grimes being able to space the court, Hart running around doing Josh Hart things, and Precious (hopefully) getting more comfortable in the offense, this doesn’t seem like an unattainable goal.

    there’s actually a ton of guys who finish their careers overseas… it’s just that international does not just mean spain or italy now…. there’s australia… china.. france… turkey… israel… jeremy lin is still playing in china… amare i believe is still playing in israel… marbury was in china up until very recently… i think the gasols were in spain too up until recently too right?

    some people love the game… some people love the paycheck… i don’t think that will ever end…

    I can easily build an All-Star roster with the players I watched play live here.

    Who’s the best you ever saw in person? (Other than Pringles, of course)

    Getting another scorer would give the Knicks someone else who can create advantages that can then be capitalized on, but is any “minor” piece, as Alan puts it, really going to be a better option than Julius?

    the problem with ‘is there a better option than Julius, so why do anything else besides give it to Julius’… is that Julius cannot do it every possession… unless he’s turned into doncic or embiid the ball is going to go to him and he gets doubled immediately and someone else will have to do something with the ball…

    we haven’t seen it much yet because it’s looked downright horrendous the few minutes we get to see it before thibs starts hyperventilating…

    this is especially true in the playoffs when even your stars will have routine trouble getting their shots off…. which is why having multiple people create space is preferred which is why you have all these teamups with 3 or more high usage guys getting together… it’s ideal to counter whatever the defense throws at you….

    so it’s either Julius has turned into Embiid and will carry his 35 usg forward and will challenge for mvp… or something else will happen…. my money is on something else….

    Brogdon does seem to be the ideal thread-the-needle choice, assuming we can get him for just Fournier and one of the protected firsts. He can play next to Brunson or run the second unit, he’s good on defense, he will have value to other teams if we then want to flip him as part of The Star Trade, and his contract goes into next season. (Fournier’s could, too, but I’d rather have that matching salary slot taken up by a player who would actually be in the rotation.)

    But if Portland wants multiple firsts, and/or Grimes? Then just go after a smaller fish or two and wait til the summer for the big move(s).

    Getting another scorer would give the Knicks someone else who can create advantages that can then be capitalized on, but is any “minor” piece, as Alan puts it, really going to be a better option than Julius?

    this isn’t the right question. the question is can another scorer make it easier for randle to do his job by alleviating defensive pressure. if it doesn’t and randle is swarmed, then they would almost guaranteed be a better option unless we reacquire rj.

    Far better would be to get someone who can put Randle in advantageous situations, like getting downhill, or at the very least, not having to navigate a thicket of bodies to attain good post position. Simply acquiring a ball handler who a) knows how to run a pick & roll, b) teams can’t sag off of and c) can punish teams for going under screens should be enough to unlock enough efficient possessions to make these minutes tenable.

    lean against almost all of this. i think it largely imagines who randle is as a player. he is not a roll man, and he isn’t suddenly going to become one if we acquire a non-legendary pg. as fantastic as randle has been, his game hasn’t changed tremendously. for years he has not been a guy who primarily benefits from someone else getting him the ball going toward the hoop. since jalen came randle has scored 40 per 100 with 26.4% rim freq and 71% fg% at the rim with jalen off and 33 per 100 with 27.1% rim freq and 67% fg% at the rim with jalen on.

    i think a guy who is more playmaker than scorer (but isn’t a stud) would in important part lose marignal value relative to cost with either randle or jalen and we would get a significantly better value focusing on someone who can score while, crucially, minimizing (or better) their defensive cost.

    Okay, so who is a microwave scorer who would 1)be relatively cheap to acquire, and 2)can play competent enough defense to satisfy our stubborn hardass coach?

    You both make compelling points about scorer vs playmaker, but then we run into the secondary problem of what to do in the event of Brunson missing time. Deuce is not a point guard. I don’t know that Flynn is. Jalen is not as indestructible as Julius, and even Julius misses games here and there. The dropoff in quality from Brunson to Deuce — at least in terms of the things that make Brunson such a special player — is pretty damn stark. I suppose that’s the case for lots of star players around the NBA. But when your star is the guy running your offense, you’re in huge trouble if there’s no one who can fill in competently.

    Jokic last 4 games:

    vs. Mem 11-11
    vs. OKC 9-10
    vs. CHA 6-7
    vs. GS 13-16

    that’s FGA, not FTA. He’s missed 5 shots from the field in the last 4 Nuggets games. Just an absurd player.

    Brian hates Brogdon 😉 , but he’s a CAA guy and would be a nice fit if and when healthy.
    Looking at the cons, he has another year at 22.5M, he’ll be coveted (probably) by others, raising his price, and maybe Portland likes to have him mentoring Scoot.

    Clarkson has 2 more years at a little more than 14M per. To me he’s a pass (even if he’s a real microwave scorer and just had a triple-double).

    Tyus Jones is a free agent at the end of season, but he’s playing 27-28 minutes a game after claiming for more playing time in Memphis. I’d try to get him.

    I’m scared at the idea of giving back Alec Burks to Thibs.

    But first they need to let Flynn go for a a fistful of games, to save appearence at least…

    The Warriors have blown almost every game I’ve watched this year with sloppy turnovers at crucial closing moments. Maybe they’re getting too old to close, or maybe hubris has caught up to them, but there is a clear possibility that their champion-ship has sailed.

    Who’s the best you ever saw in person? (Other than Pringles, of course)

    Rama, I saw Magic Johnson play but it was an exibition game so I think it doesn’t count… 🙂

    In real games it’s really hard.

    Let’s try my USA All-Star in random order:

    Norm Nixon, George Gervin, Alex English, Bob McAdoo, Artis Gilmore, Michael Cooper, Reggie Theus, Jim McMillian, Spencer Haywood, Swen Nater, Dan Roundfield, Darryl Dawkins.

    Honorable mention (0 NBA games): Bob Morse, Chuck Jura, Kevin Magee.

    I lean toward McAdoo (Gervin was really cooked).

    International All-Star:

    Drazen Petrovic, Manu Ginobili, Sasha Danilovic, Toni Kukoc, Arvidas Sabonis. Drazen Dalipagic, Oscar Schmidt, Kresimir Cosic, Dino Meneghin, Danilo Gallinari, Vlade Divac, Nick Galis.

    To me pre-injury Sabonis slightly over Petrovic but I know it’s not the popular choice.

    It would also help if Randle passed out of triple teams, he’s got Grimes & Deuce open on the clip that Macri highlighted. Now those aren’t the best options in the NBA but if they’re open you gotta pass it to them.

    Love the shout to Oscar Schmidt Max, our greatest to ever do it!

    I think the playmaker or scorer question has to be evaluated not only in what the hypothetical player can bring to the 2nd unit, but how the rotations can also be adapted because of him. Brogdon feels like the ideal guy to me because he’s versatile, he’s a good enough defender, a pretty good shooter and can handle the ball, so he fits in multiple possible lineups. He can be the lead guard with Julius in the 2nd unit, he can play next to Brunson if Thibs wants to stagger the minutes the other way around and have Julius more with the 1st unit, etc.

    Now guys like Tyus or Clarkson are more one dimensional, Sexton or Rozier too. Honestly, I think the team has a good enough base that I’d be happy with any of those guys, because we can adapt the pieces around them to make functional lineups.

    So I think the issue is more price than fit, and my personal hope is that Leon is looking at all these guys and others and goes for whoever comes the cheapest and maintains flexibility for the future.

    OMG I forgot Michael Ray Richardson!

    To be honest the only time I saw him in person he was ejected in the second half after a ferocius brawl, but he was a fantastic player… 🙂

    “Okay, so who is a microwave scorer who would 1)be relatively cheap to acquire, and 2)can play competent enough defense to satisfy our stubborn hardass coach?”

    Um, IQ?

    Wait… no Dominique Wilkins?

    Ciao Farfa!

    Only because Rama asked who I saw play in person and sadly I missed Nique’s games… 🙁

    Was out yesterday and it popped into my mind about how iHart’s going to get his second foul at like the five-minute mark, but it’s okay because we have PogoBoy back (tongue in cheek), and then when I got back it got posted almost just like that from others…

    However, I must admit that we’re two games in and I couldn’t pick My Precious out of a lineup (of similarly sized humans), and I have yet to see him do anything but run up and down (and make a layup from a ball that fell into his hands). Maybe not the best game to focus on him when he comes in, but maybe I’ll try watching him to see if there’s anything at all.

    Great list, Max. I was mostly unaware that star players of that magnitude went overseas after their US days. But I love it. I feel like I could name a dozen current players who should but wouldn’t because they don’t really love the game.

    Okay, so who is a microwave scorer who would 1)be relatively cheap to acquire, and 2)can play competent enough defense to satisfy our stubborn hardass coach?

    it’s not easy.

    brogdon makes sense as a consensus target because he at least minimally hits all shoot/drive/defend bigger guards touchpoints. the downside to brogdon is that the cost might get bid up, he eye-tests as aging and he comes with a lot of injury risk. if he becomes a net liability due to injury than you have $22mm in 24-25 that goes from matching salary to a potential burden in a critical year before brunson and randle re-up. but it also might work out just fine.

    still, it’s important to think in terms of net and not gross cost. bogdan would be more expensive but has a great contract and is somewhat lower risk. he’s arguably a better fit defensively in recent years, though i could imagine brogdon proving this wrong in a playoff run, and is an elite floor spacing who also brings shot creation. it is very possible that his value in a reflip would end with a lower net cost than many ostensibly cheaper guys like brogdon or rozier. of course he might not be available at all, but he’s a 31 year old on a flailing team who appears to be in all-hands-on-the-trade-machine mode. it might be there.

    i mention rozier as an example but i wouldn’t do it. i think he gives you what you need on offense, but too much contract left and a far worse defensive pairing with jalen to play much together in the playoffs. if you don’t like jalen and iq you fucking hate jalen and rozier. in fact i would rather pay a little more to get sexton than rozier, because while both are smallish and pretty shitty team defenders at least sexton can at least bulldog guys and the contract is much more flippable. definitely wouldn’t pay whatever ainge is charging, though.

    but paying something real for a guy like tyus jones (who i really like for many teams, but can’t play with jalen and provides excellent playmaking but little shot creation) or spencer dinwiddie because they have playmaking seems like the absolute wrong move for this team.

    if all else fails, now that we are frenemies again, we could out of desperation try gary trent jr in a nearly no cost deadline giveaway situation. he’s been quite bad and in some ways feels like an ersatz grimes, but his career usage is more like low 20s and he has the size to play next to jalen if needed. think of it as the pistons trading greg kesler for the actual microwave.

    a highly strange idea is keldon johnson. he really doesn’t tick our boxes and he actually is the closest thing imaginable to reacquiring rj. like rj he’s not really a spacer, though he’s also not-not a spacer and his shot creation rides atop just enough less bad decision-making to be useful as opposed to malignant. admittedly this is a bit knife edge. but he’s also, in my opinion, a more useful defender. he just got benched on the spurs (though still playing a ton) and seems behind vassell and sochan in their future plans and his reflip risk is much lower given his contract. really, though, not quite the guy you’re looking for given his desultory shooting.

    I like Tyus but don’t think we’re getting him. There’s a piece today in the WashPost about how great and beloved he is in his starting role. “The 27-year-old is flourishing in the Wizards’ open offense, averaging career highs in points (12.5), field goal percentage (53.1) and three-point percentage (42.6).”

    Yeah, Tyus wants to start. He would not be at all happy to be here getting the IQ minutes (if that).

    somehow it feels like we end up with gordon hayward (rama hit the trombone), partly because of all the stories about thibs liking him and partly because big deals are hard to pull off in-season. although it looks like we’d need the buyout market to get him, i think we could manage a trade if we were a bit creative and we wanted to scoop the buyout market (or charlotte decided to hold out for a shitty second rounder). obviously paying anything real would be pain. of course this would forfeit the option of opting-in to fournier as a trade slot, but i wouldn’t be shocked to see it.

    Some people might not think this as big enough a deal to think about, but it would probably hurt Deuce’s confidence in finding his offense should the team make a move for a PG to replace him on the 2nd unit. I mean- they JUST extended him. I love Deuce’s defense and what he showed on offense in college, so I’d be inclined to give him the minutes to see if he can settle in. But at the same time, extra usage and playmaking responsibility every game isn’t necessarily good for Brunson and Randle. They’re gonna need possessions where they don’t have to be everything if Thibs is gonna be able to maximize what they offer. Brogdon is a great fit on that 2nd unit with his offense. With him being a 1:1 replacement for Deuce, the question is probably how much faith does Thibs REALLY have in his young stopper? If they’re not worried about cracking his confidence, they’ll grab Brogdon for sure. However, if they believe in his upside enough to keep him as a bench defender when this roster is finally complete, then they’ll go with someone like Murray who takes PG minutes from Deuce but isn’t the “primary backup PG” because he starts at SG. I think we’ll be good with either option, but with Brunson not being strong defensively- I think it’s a good to keep giving Deuce that opportunity even if it’s only a few minutes per game behind Brunson and someone like Murray. Unless of course you have faith that Brogdon can start and stay healthy.

    Far better would be to get someone who can put Randle in advantageous situations

    Everyone who thinks we should get a facilitator on the second unit seems to cite the ability to help Randle. Makes sense, but the reason I said scorer is so that Randle can get some rest. Forcing him to carry the second unit seems like a great way to run him into the ground.

    thank you so much for sharing that stuff Rama 😊

    i imply a competitive situation on finding an orchestral seat from observing just how old everyone normally is who is playing…

    if folks stay engaged in the activity in to their 60’s hard for young folks to find a spot for themselves.

    that is soooo interesting to hear how the playing environment has become more rigid over time for players…to the point they feel so compelled to play precisely the notes on their sheets…

    and, even though the performers continue and stay engaged so late in to life, it is hard for me to imagine much of an influx of new performers whom actually enjoy the music itself…

    i’m starting to wonder if perhaps classical music will quickly become a legacy thing in another couple of decades…

    I think my favorite part of the Macri newsletter today is the full face slap he gives Doogie:

    ‘On the downside, Murray is outside the top 50 in total made catch & shoot triples, and he’s hitting them at a 37.5 percent clip – a decent number, but not ideal as a starting shooting guard between Branson and Randle.’

    Lay off classical musicians! Not a musician myself but listen to a lot of contemporary classical, “new music” or whatever you want to call it and can say that there’s a large contingent of conservatory trained musicians who improvise at a very high level- lots of scores from John Cage on have improvisation baked in- and not just improvising a solo over set rhythm/harmony like you find in rock (most basic form of improv) but really inventing something out of whole cloth in the moment. I’d say pretty much anybody in the top tier new music ensembles has dealt with improvisation in ways that most rock musicians never have and never will.

    Drazen Petrovic

    My favorite player in the 80s and the reason i started watching the NBA.

    Someone tweeted that Randle was 12th(!!) in the league in transition points- I knew he was making a concerted effort to get out and run but didn’t think he’d rate anywhere near that high.

    the downside to brogdon is that the cost might get bid up, he eye-tests as aging and he comes with a lot of injury risk. if he becomes a net liability due to injury than you have $22mm in 24-25 that goes from matching salary to a potential burden in a critical year before brunson and randle re-up.

    I agree, this is the fear about trading for Brogdon. But even if he’s injured, we’d have the money to match salaries in trades, as Hubert has been pointing we now have Fournier for that, so at least we’d still have money to trade on the books. And i don’t think any team would want Fournier, he’s just salary filler, meaning an injured Brogdon would serve the same purpose.

    i mention rozier as an example but i wouldn’t do it. i think he gives you what you need on offense, but too much contract left

    Yeah, anyone that mentions Rozier is probably unaware that he’s owed 24.9M in 2024-25 and 26.6M in 2025-26 (24.9M guaranteed).

    Someone tweeted that Randle was 12th(!!) in the league in transition points

    Wow, that’s great. Maybe he made a bet with Obi. 😀

    Because he’s actually DeMar DeRozan, and because even that one is quite old.

    To be clear, what JK asked that string quartet to do was not improvise. He asked them to count to 4, which they refused to do. And I’m sure JK will also acknowledge that his story represents a small sample size of classically trained musicians. That all said, there is a technical difference between an artist and a craftsman, and classical musicians are taught a craft that is intended to preserve the work of deceased artists.

    I’d like to think that classical music isn’t going extinct in this generation. Bach’s work has survived for 300+ years, it’s not going to disappear now that more people can play it, right? But there is an interesting dialectic at play: as the Asian middle-class grows, music instruction, which is a status symbol, is growing exponentially within the culture. There are 6 year olds now who can perform the Tchaikovsky concertos, which couldn’t be premiered in their own day because nobody in the world could actually play them. Where does a 6 year old go from there? Hilary Hahn has taken to hoolahoopong on stage while playing Paganini; Yuja Wang performs Rachmaninoff while getting a manicure. There’s only so far you can take this stuff, so, I don’t know. Maybe geo’s right.

    Here in LA there are a lot of “rock friendly” string players who are familiar with all of the conventions of rock/pop music, and who can also crush it playing the classical stuff. These tend to be younger players. You can tell this type of player “if she doesn’t come in at bar 5 just wait until bar 9” and it’s not a problem.

    I was responding to jk saying that classical musicians couldn’t play anything that wasn’t explicitly scored which is crazy talk. And I’ll add that the “classical” music world by which I mean mostly conservatory trained musicians playing mostly acoustic instruments associated with the western orchestral tradition is pretty healthy at the moment- if the standard orchestra playing old war horse stuff has taken a hit, the lowered cost of recording/distribution (and a return to tonality) has led to an real boom in the contemporary classical/new music world.

    Didn’t see JK’s post above and will add that there are lot more players with one foot in both worlds than there were 20 years ago.

    ah, knicks game against philly is on espn…nba today had a conversation with julius…he was comfortable and smiling, they highlighted julius’ dad aspect a bunch…

    it was interesting – julius said he’s a “math guy”…

    thanks all for helping to school me a bit on the modern world of classical music…

    honestly, i think classical music will probably fade away before the ice even does…

    i think what i need to do now is go searching for some vids on younger folks playing in that setting…

    I took a few music courses in college, including conducting, and have just enough knowledge to understand the disconnect between my full appreciation of the utter genius embedded in “classical” music over the centuries and the low tolerance I have in listening to any version of it before wanting to listen to something else.

    The technical virtuosity of the great performers is pretty mind-boggling though.

    From NBA Twitter:

    Philadelphia’s Joel Embiid has posted at least 30 points and 10 rebounds in each of his last 14 games.

    Only two players have ever had 15 straight such games in a single season: Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

    Let’s stop Embiid’s streak.

    the utter genius embedded in “classical” music over the centuries and the low tolerance I have in listening to any version of it before wanting to listen to something else.

    The technical virtuosity of the great performers is pretty mind-boggling though.

    When I was in my teens and twenties I favored technical proficiency over other things when evaluating musicians, but that’s not the case anymore. I might still watch or listen to a great technical musician out of curiosity and fully appreciate the time, effort, and talent that went into that kind of greatness, but these days all I want hear is something that moves me. And some of the stuff that moves me is pretty simple.

    No Game thread? At Xfinity live Knicks are being repped pretty well. Will report from Wells Fargo soon

    The thing that I find interesting is that in non-western cultures it’s the training that is revered. Here, it’s the “talent” that is valued. Americans especially seem to like musicians more who aren’t trained. They like a good story more than a good performance, and they like anything that validates their own laziness. And it’s not just musicians. We see it in athletics too — Ja Morant is more fun to watch than Tim Duncan was, mostly because he lacks all concept of discipline.

    I don’t know why every discussion about what to add is about a guard or a wing. We lost Mitch for the season. Are we all so confident in Taj and Jericho that center isn’t on the radar for the second team?

    I’ve been a Mitch fanboy for a long time but from what I’ve seen in Hartenstein, I wouldn’t put Mitch in my starting 5. Hartenstein is protecting the rim like Mitch, crashing the boards like Mitch, but he has a greater than zero post game and is a much better passer/facilitator.

    How do we handle an Embiid? This is a tough test for iHart. Embiid is playing on a bum leg.

    This is a big game.
    When is Flynn ready?

    I’m in section 107 row 3 directly behind the hoop, we’ll see if I can be a lil distraction to the home team foul shots.

    When is Flynn ready?

    He’s available tonight, let’s see if Thibs will give him some minutes…

    I saw a bunch of Knicks gear on people milling around and in the line to get in but so far mostly sixers fans in the seats

    we’ll see if I can be a lil distraction to the home team foul shots.

    Make us proud BJ! (I’m worried you could watch a lot of FTs from Embiid tonight…)

    Re: Classical musicians

    When I recorded an EP of songs I’d written, I was looking for a cello player to play a solo on one of the tracks. There was a college with a pretty good music program near me, so I emailed them asking for a recommendation for a cellist who could play in a rock/pop setting. They gave me the name of a recent grad who played cello in the local symphony.

    When the cellist and I got together to rehearse the solo, he said he had experience playing in backing string sections for rock bands and for church praise bands. (It turns out he’d played at a show I’d been to — a band called Sleeping At Last.) And that if I was interested, he could not only play the solo I’d written and transcribed for him, but also improvise a cello part for the rest of the song off a chord sheet. Of course I said yes.

    Working with him over the next hour was one of the most revelatory experiences I’ve had a musician, watching this guy weave together these gorgeous cello lines on the spot. I gave him a few notes to fine tune things, but what ended up on the album when we went into the studio later was mostly his first passes from that practice session.

    I was so impressed that I had him play on another track on the EP without much rehearsing beforehand — I sent him the stems, we went over things in the studio, and he did two perfect takes on the track. Done.

    In conclusion, a classical musician who can play off a chord chart is one of the most amazing musicians you’ll ever meet.

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