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  • Can Derrick Rose play for the Memphis Grizzlies? One NBA writer says ‘it’s hard to say’ – Commercial Appeal
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  • Trevor Keels Returning To Knicks On Two-Way Deal – hoopsrumors.com
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  • 76ers ‘Have No Plan To Trade’ Joel Embiid to Knicks – Sports Illustrated
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    76ers ‘Have No Plan To Trade’ Joel Embiid to Knicks  Sports Illustrated

  • Trevor Keels Returning To Knicks On Two-Way Deal – BVM Sports
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, July 19, 2023 10:06:53 PM

    Trevor Keels Returning To Knicks On Two-Way Deal  BVM Sports

  • Knicks Trade For Bulls’ Zach LaVine In New Proposal – NBA Analysis Network
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  • Knicks Trade For Sixers’ Joel Embiid In New Proposal – NBA Analysis Network
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  • Knicks Sign Ex-Timberwolves Big Man Amid Joel Embiid Rumors: Report – Heavy.com
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, July 19, 2023 6:09:37 PM

    Knicks Sign Ex-Timberwolves Big Man Amid Joel Embiid Rumors: Report  Heavy.com

  • NBA Free Agency: Nathan Knight to Sign Two-Way Deal With the New York Knicks – Canis Hoopus
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, July 19, 2023 5:32:02 PM

    NBA Free Agency: Nathan Knight to Sign Two-Way Deal With the New York Knicks  Canis Hoopus

  • Report: Knicks Sign Nathan Knight to Two-Way Deal – The Knicks Wall
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, July 19, 2023 5:18:48 PM

    Report: Knicks Sign Nathan Knight to Two-Way Deal  The Knicks Wall

  • BREAKING: New York Knicks Reportedly Sign 3-Year NBA Player – Sports Illustrated
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  • Sources: Sixers, Joel Embiid want star to play entire career in Philadelphia; no plans for Knicks trade – Yahoo Sports
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, July 19, 2023 3:07:20 PM

    Sources: Sixers, Joel Embiid want star to play entire career in Philadelphia; no plans for Knicks trade  Yahoo Sports

  • NBA Power Rankings: New York Knicks Reach Top 10? – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, July 19, 2023 1:19:50 PM

    NBA Power Rankings: New York Knicks Reach Top 10?  Sports Illustrated

  • NBA: New York Knicks at Brooklyn Nets | NBA Basketball | wfmz.com – 69News WFMZ-TV
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    NBA: New York Knicks at Brooklyn Nets | NBA Basketball | wfmz.com  69News WFMZ-TV

  • Should Knicks even want Joel Embiid as rumors of leaving 76ers … – Daily Knicks
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    Should Knicks even want Joel Embiid as rumors of leaving 76ers …  Daily Knicks

  • Knicks: Charlie Ward talks 8-seed run to NBA Finals in 1999 – ClutchPoints
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    Knicks: Charlie Ward talks 8-seed run to NBA Finals in 1999  ClutchPoints

  • FIBA Can Be a Stepping Stone for RJ Barrett – The Knicks Wall
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    FIBA Can Be a Stepping Stone for RJ Barrett  The Knicks Wall

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    I showed my teens the OC during the pandemic and they loved it. Cool that it has become multigenerational, given how trendy it was (I was actually surprised at how well it held up for what it was).

    I have a friend who loved the show so much that he named his first born son after one of the characters.

    Speaking of that friend and of the OC, I drove with that friend down to the OC today to watch the Yankees play baseball. I haven’t watched a baseball game since the OC originally aired, and I realize that a lot changes over 20 years, but, holy shit, the Yankees are bad! Their cleanup hitter was batting below .200… What happened to George Steinbrenner buying the bests free agents every off season? This was like watching a Dolan owned sports team play, yeesh.

    Also, the team the Yankees were playing, who call themselves the LA Angels, even though it takes three hours to drive there from LA, have a Japanese guy who is, apparently, the best hitter and the best pitcher in the game. What?!

    Anyway, long story short: a) yay Alan, b) Yankees are bad. I can see why you New Yorkers are spending so much time talking about Evan Fournier’s feelings this summer.

    this is the hardest donnie has ever donnied. what i’ve learned from you is that to be the best parent on the planet you have to pretend you’re dick solomon.

    So Martin, Keels, and Nate Knight are our 2-way signings. We have one roster spot open that has to go to undrafted free agent to keep us out of the tax. Do I have that right? That’s unless we make additional trades.

    That sounds write to me, GK.

    BTW, for those of you who are not familiar with The O.C., here’s the relevant info:

    1. It was a teen soap opera, but an extremely self-aware and often funny teen soap opera.
    2. First season is incredible for the genre. One of the best first years any network show has had.
    3. Fantastic soundtrack, full of mid-2000s indie rock bands like Death Cab, The Killers, Joseph Arthur, etc. Basically changed how TV used music.
    4. Later seasons are more uneven in quality, and season 3 is outright terrible, but fun to make fun of later if you’re into that sort of thing.

    As I said yesterday, it will not be the jam of everybody here, but if it is, it will be extremely your jam.

    “That sounds write to me, GK.”

    My understanding was that we still had $5-6M of room before the hard cap, is that not true?

    Maybe true Z–man, but I thought they were trying to stay out of the tax. Can someone clarify?

    I don’t think they are trying to stay out of the tax….my understanding is that they actually needed to be in the tax to take advantage of the mid-level exception they used to sign DDV. However, they are trying to stay under the level that would result in a hard cap, which would make further roster moves that much more difficult.

    https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/#:~:text=2023%2D24%20New%20York%20Knicks,any%20point%20during%20the%20season.

    According to spotrac.com, the Knicks are just over $6.6M below the $172M hard cap….and I keep reading that under no circumstances can their salary go above that level for the entire season, I believe because they used the mid-level exception. 2-way deals and exhibit 10 deals don’t affect this number. Not sure, but I believe that there is a minimum cap hold for all 15 roster spots, i.e. if the Knicks have an empty roster spot, there is a minimum cap hold for the empty spot until it is filled. But I’m not sure if the available $6.6M includes that minimum cap hold, or whether it’s above and beyond that…I think it’s the former.

    Not sure, but I believe that there is a minimum cap hold for all 15 roster spots, i.e. if the Knicks have an empty roster spot, there is a minimum cap hold for the empty spot until it is filled.

    just 12

    I read somewhere yesterday the Thunder are so deep in young talent they may have to release a player or two that are legitimately interesting prospects.

    I don’t pay close enough attention to them to know who is going to get released and who might be any good, but it sounds legit. I remember reading an interview with Presti last year where he said he was hoping to consolidate a lot of his excess picks but he was probably going to wind up releasing a good player from time to time. So maybe we should be watching what’s going on over there.

    They are definitely trying to stay out of the tax this year, that was the reason for the Obi trade.

    They don’t need to be in the tax to use the MLE, they just need to be above the cap which is a stone cold lock.

    So even though they have some wiggle room before the hard cap and could theoretically use the BAE to spend, I’d be floored if they went into the tax considering how easy it’d be to avoid it.

    Fantastic soundtrack, full of mid-2000s indie rock bands like Death Cab, The Killers, Joseph Arthur, etc. Basically changed how TV used music.

    I believe they brought Jeff Buckley’s “Hallelujah” into the mainstream. Though I can’t claim to know how many people had heard it in the 90’s, I’m pretty sure it was a niche song.

    I first heard “Orange Sky” by Alexi Murdoch when Ryan was driving Melissa through Chino after visiting his brother in jail.

    Also discovered The Walkmen and The Subways from the show, two bands I enjoyed in my early 20’s.

    Top 3 TV fictional music venues?

    1. The Bait Shop
    2. The Bronze
    3. The Peach Pit

    “They are definitely trying to stay out of the tax this year, that was the reason for the Obi trade.

    They don’t need to be in the tax to use the MLE, they just need to be above the cap which is a stone cold lock.”

    Sorry, I was just about to correct myself…this is accurate. I think it is also the case that once you use the non-taxpayer mid-level, you can’t go into the tax even if you are willing to, is that correct?

    And that seems to be the main reason for not just dumping Fournier, correct? Because they can only trade to the $172M point and his salary is vital to any trade involving a max-ish player. I guess they could trade Fournier for an expiring, or even a non-expiring lousy contract just as a different placeholder…

    Is it correct that they couldn’t trade Fournier for Lonzo Ball? Not that they would want to unless CHI threw in some ridiculous assets, but is it even possible?

    I think you can use the non-taxpayer MLE and then go into the tax as long as you were a non-taxpayer entering the league year, so we could theoretically do it.

    The reason for not just dumping Fournier is because his salary could theoretically be very helpful in a trade for a high-salary player we actually want, so there’s no upside whatsoever to just dumping him for no real assets.

    BTW, for those of you who are not familiar with The O.C., here’s the relevant info:

    5. Julie Cooper

    “I think you can use the non-taxpayer MLE and then go into the tax as long as you were a non-taxpayer entering the league year, so we could theoretically do it.”

    Everything I have read says that we are now absolutely hard capped at the first apron ($172M) and cannot exceed that amount under any circumstances for the rest of the year. Maybe the confusion is that we can be already “into the tax” but below the first apron at that figure?

    In any case, my understanding is that because we used the non-taxpayer MLE, we have about $6.6M to spend and under no circumstances can go over that amount unless we include outgoing salary so that the final result has us under $172M. Not sure if we are saying the same thing or not…

    There’s a small difference between the luxury tax level (about $165M) and the apron. We can exceed the first if we really want to, but we can’t exceed the second.

    Right, and my understanding is that Leon-Aller don’t care about the tax per se, just about flexibility. That said, I don’t see any point in using the BAE as things stand. We have a set rotation and backups that are okay with being backups, and a BAE-level player probably wants to be in the rotation. Besides, if we use the BAE this year, we can’t next year when we might really need it. So my hope is that, barring a trade involving a rotation player or a young intriguing guy who shakes loose (Ayo anyone?) that we stay put for now.

    I guess Ayo is a RFA and the Bulls would match anything we could offer him…not even sure you can offer the BAE to a RFA…

    Rose cares about the tax but will exceed it for a true contender

    The tax isn’t too punitive in year 1 but the repeater tax gets very punitive when you go far enough into it.

    So if you can avoid it, you should.

    We have one roster spot open that has to go to undrafted free agent to keep us out of the tax. Do I have that right? That’s

    We have more room than that I believe.

    Spotrac has us $4.738M below the lux tax prior to counting DW’s cap hold of $1.8M. (It currently lists Keels cap hold but I believe that should disappear if he’s signed a two-way).

    So if we renounce DW (or DaQuan or Roby prior to guarantees kicking in) we could use pretty much the whole BAE.

    You may be referring to the MLE that a beat writer or Macri or someone said could’ve fit an undrafted rookie, which was correct until it was revealed there’s $750K per year in unlikely bonuses for DD. Spotrac is counting those bonuses against the MLE, so I’m going to trust them and say we can’t sign a full year of anyone with the remaining MLE.

    We can sign a pro-rated minimum deal with the MLE towards the end of the season like we did with Roby.

    Hopefully this is helpful:

    2nd Apron/Super Apron – $182.8M
    1st Apron/Hard Cap – $172.3M
    Luxury Tax – $165.3M
    ~Knicks $162.4 w/ DW hold~
    ~Knicks $160.6M w/o cap hold~
    Salary Cap – $136.0M

    Top … TV fictional music venue

    sadly – i can only think of Al’s Diner

    still thinking…

    Edit: my five minutes are almost up…still nothing…i like tv…

    i blame this on Buddy Holly and weezer…

    Top 3 TV fictional music venues?

    1. The Bait Shop
    2. The Bronze
    3. The Peach Pit

    More tragedy for poor Adriana from The Sopranos, whose Crazy Horse club can’t even beat out the freaking Peach Pit After Dark.

    i’m trying hard not to cheat (and just start googling) – you know, i remember one of the star treks had that cool holodeck thing…

    i think it was captain janeway who used to go hang out at some chill jazz bar…

    i remember for a while wanting my home decor to look like voyager’s…

    got it – luke cage…there’s this club in Luke Cage that is super nice…

    that’s my spot…

    Fred Katz had written this:

    They are pushing up against the luxury tax threshold, which is $165.3 million, $7 million short of the hard cap. And teams don’t get taxed on their unlikely incentives (unless a player earns them), but there is a twist: Whether DiVincenzo wins MVP or not, his $750,000 a year in unlikely bonuses still count against the hard cap. And that’s where we get into the Knicks eating into their flexibility.

    Evan Fournier and Barrett already have $4.4 million combined in unlikely incentives in their deals. DiVincenzo’s now brings the team total to $5.2 million.

    It means the Knicks could be pushing up against the luxury tax threshold (which, again, is $7 million short of the hard cap) but would be only $2 million short of the hard cap.

    So now I’m really confused…seems like if Katz is correct and the unlikely incentives are included in the cap figure, we can’t use the BAE…or can we?

    Top 5 fictional tv music venues?

    Um, how about the orphanage on Sister Kate when Milli Vanilli performed “Blame It On The Rain?”

    I never saw Alan Houston play as a Knick or even as a pro but I did get to see him live in college. He had the purest jumper I’ve ever seen in person (and I’ve seen Steph play in person). I feel like Houston either made a shot with nothing but net or missed. There was no in between. Usually he made them. He dropped 50 in college games all the time.

    the freaking Peach Pit After Dark.

    I mean, it probably should be #1, right? They had Luther Vandross, Christina Aguilera, and the Flaming Lips. They even had the Blind Boys of Alabama years before they were on The Wire.

    I love me some Buffy but I think the biggest act they ever booked at the Bronze was Michelle Branch. I dug the vibe, though. Perfect Late 90s aesthetic.

    in the HBO True Detective series…i think it was season 2 not sure…they met at some club (vince vaughan and collin farrel) and there was this woman singing cool songs playing guitar…i would like to hang out there…

    otherwise…penguin’s bar in Gotham (fox show) has some pretty good shows/scenes…

    i can’t remember specficially but pretty sure Huggy Bear’s joint in Starsky and Hutch was hopping…can’t remember if there was live music in there..

    So now I’m really confused…seems like if Katz is correct and the unlikely incentives are included in the cap figure, we can’t use the BAE…or can we?

    yes unlikely incentives count toward the hard cap

    He dropped 50 in college games all the time

    literally never

    “yes unlikely incentives count toward the hard cap”

    So we literally have just a minimum-ish amount of space and can’t use the BAE, and if we sign a player into that remaining $2M of cap space to fill out the roster, we would not be in the tax, just hard capped. Is that correct?

    We previously had $3.6M in cap holds and ~$1M below the lux tax.

    Keels’s $1.8M hold should be removed after taking a 2-way deal, as those don’t count against the cap and presumably don’t count against the luxury tax either.

    So that should give us ~$2.8M in space before the lux tax.

    To sign another player we’d need to cut a player or renounce DW who has the final $1.8M cap hold.

    So if we do use the BAE and renounce DW, we have around $4.6M.

    The full BAE is $4.5M.

    I doubt we use the BAE because it takes up our hard cap space we could better use in a trade. But we could use it.

    So we literally have just a minimum-ish amount of space and can’t use the BAE, and if we sign a player into that remaining $2M of cap space to fill out the roster, we would not be in the tax, just hard capped. Is that correct?

    We have $2M before being hard capped *if* we hit the lux tax. We have not hit the lux tax yet.

    The Roadhouse in Twin Peaks was where Julie Cruise sang methodoney smooth-pop if that’s your thing.

    There was also the club where Claire Danes and Jordan Catalano went to see Buffalo Tom right before he held her hand (ooooohhhh!)

    And there was The Bar in Ally McBeal, which I never fully understood, but they sure spent a lot of time there. I believe we have that place to thank for Josh Groban.

    very interesting hubie – best performance by a musical act within a tv episode?

    man, I may have to cheat on this one…

    okay, i got one, faith evans at harlem’s paradise on luke cage…

    over the many years of TV watching – there has to be more that I just can’t remember…

    BBA I have very mixed memories of Allan Houston. At his best he was terrific, but he wasn’t near his best for most of his time with the Knicks. He never posted a WS48 of above .100 in any playoff run until his last one where we lost in the first round. His high regular season WS48 with us was .130, and for his Knicks career was .101. His BPM as a NYK was 0.3 overall and never once above 1.7. He never rebounded well for his size, didn’t get into the paint or to the rim or shoot well when he got there, wasn’t much of a passer, and was just okay on defense. He definitely had his moments (including one all-time great moment) and was a damn good acquisition on his first contract, but was quite often a disappointment even before his max contract, which was an overpay to begin with and turned into a disaster when his knees gave out.

    I dunno if H20 ever scored 50 in college but he did it twice as a Knick and also had a few 30+ point games in the playoffs. 1999 Game 6 vs Indiana has to be considered his greatest game ever.

    I get you Z-Man, I’ve gone back and watched a ton of games from his first few years as a Knick and he makes some moves including passes that I didn’t remember him doing and kinda like you I’m like shit why didn’t he do that more often! But he’s definitely someone who would’ve benefited immensely from playing in today’s NBA and modernizing his shot chart.

    do cartoons count?

    josie and the pussycats kicked some ass…and i’m talking the 70’s cartoon..not the bs movie

    The Roadhouse was fantastic. Absolutely a top 5 TV fake music venue. In the revival, they even got “The Nine Inch Nails” to perform. But The Bait Shop featured, among many others: The Killers, Modest Mouse, Death Cab for Cutie, The Walkmen, Rachel Yamagata, The Thrills, The Subways…

    Pepper, I will not hear anyone slander the Josie and the Pussycats movie here.

    I don’t think I can name anything beyond the Mos Eisley Cantina, which I’m counting because it was in an episode of the Mandalorian

    I second Buffy & Luke Cage’s venues but would never have been able to name them

    best performance by a musical act within a tv episode?

    I know you mean a full time musical performer but Megan Draper’s Zou Bisou Bisou deserves an honorable mention.

    yeah…i mean i would never say anything bad about rosario dawson vehicles but that flick didn’t do the spirit of the cartoon any justice…

    I mean the article was a list of power rankings, Knicks were 13th overall and 6th in the East well ahead of Atlanta who was 7th in the East but only 18th overall. Seems to me like Harper was a bit too high on many teams from the West, if anything with the bottom of the East is as bad as he’s making it out to be the Knicks should have no problem finishing in the Top 6 and avoiding the play-in.

    Mos Eisley is a good one, EB.

    As for performances on a TV show, David Bowie singing “pathetic little fat man” to Ricky Gervais on Extras was great.

    And Boyz II Men sang Silent Night on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air Xmas special.

    According to the internet, Charmed and Gossip Girl had some big acts but I never saw them.

    Wow, Zach Harper dissing the Knicks in an early review of every team for next season. Puts us 10th and in the Play-In Battleground.
    https://theathletic.com/4700709/2023/07/20/nba-power-rankings-nuggets-bucks-warriors/

    I mean, he could be right, and I’m a stan so there’s that, but it feels fairly disrespectful given what happened last year (and how all we’ve changed is Obi for Donte).

    The next best team in our tier finished 5 games worse than us. And he actually put us 13th, down from 10th last time.

    Sacramento made zero improvements I can think of, finished 1 game better than us, and lost in the 1st rd. They end up at 8th, atop the next tier up.

    So yeah, I’m thinking it’s Knicks disrespect.

    I think I might wait for al to let me know if ahsoka is any good…

    still need to check out andor…I enjoyed obi-wan, have skipped most of the mandalorian and bobba fett stuff…

    ashley eckstein set the bar really really high for the character ahsoka…

    I think I might wait for al to let me know if ahsoka is any good…

    I refer you to Pepper’s above comment on Rosario Dawson vehicles

    According to the internet, Charmed and Gossip Girl had some big acts but I never saw them.

    I watched a lot of Charmed. It had Alyssa Milano. Something else probably happened in it too

    A friend of mine told me I had to watch this show, because one of the characters reminded him of me.

    Sure I wasn’t Jewish, but I was tall, skinny, curly haired and quick witted. And I did love death cab.

    That first season was so good.

    It seems like we should keep a little space underneath the tax line for the possibilities of an unlikely bonus actually occurring and/or someone on on a two way contract actually earning a promotion to a regular contract.

    Wow, Zach Harper dissing the Knicks in an early review of every team for next season. Puts us 10th and in the Play-In Battleground.

    I’m going to comment before I read it.

    I tend to agree with him.

    I like this team. I like our position. I think we are young enough to improve internally and have excess picks to improve externally. But I don’t think we improved much if at all with the addition of DDV.

    1. Quite a few teams in the NBA will improve more internally.

    2. Many drafted players that will make them better.

    3. A few teams tweaked their roster in ways that will make them better.

    4. I like Hart, but I think he played over his head for the Knicks.

    5. I don’t see many teams that are clearly going to be worse

    So I think on a relative basis we’ve lost ground.

    Unless we get more upside from Grimes, RJ and Quick than is reasonable to expect, I think the roster as currently constructed is going to be competitive, but not win as many games as last year.

    In Zach Harper’s tiers, we are sixth in the East, behind Milwaukee, Boston, Miami, Cleveland, and Philadelphia in that order. The next East team is Atlanta at eighteenth, five spots below us. Overall, the west is higher ranked than the East. Logically , sixth ought to put us in playoffs, not the play in. But we are in the play in battleground instead. I agree that he’s a little biased against the Knicks, but we’ve been bad so long most analysts are. They let history bias them. The biggest example of that for Zach Harper is Miami. It’s very hard to make a case they improved, but there they are at seventh overall and third in the division in the power rankings.

    Knick fan not in NJsays:
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    It seems like we should keep a little space underneath the tax line for the possibilities of an unlikely bonus actually occurring and/or someone on on a two way contract actually earning a promotion to a regular contract.

    Fournier has $1.5M in incentives, which I think we can safely ignore

    RJ needs to make an all-star, all-NBA, or all-defense team to earn his $2.9M

    DD could hit 6moty or most improved and trigger his 750K… I’m guessing he’ll fall short of MVP & all-NBA honors

    If we do just go with Duane Washington, we’ll have $2.7M or so in wiggle room. Plenty of space to upgrade players to the roster or sign them late in the year for their prorated amount and still fit DDs incentive

    If RJ hits his incentives we’ll be over, but I think the FO can live with that one and where the team will be at

    We can also try to dump salary at the deadline if it’s looking necessary

    Alyssa Milano on Who’s the Boss was my first crush.

    Maureen McCormick and Susan Dey.

    Strat, your post crossed with mine. I think it’s reasonable to say the Knicks didn’t improve, but not many teams at the top of the East did either. Cleveland almost surely did improve. But Miami lost players and Butler is a year older. Boston might be better actually, but they were already probably better than us and still will be one or two in the conference. For Milwaukee, you have to decide what was real last season, the regular season record or the playoffs. For Philly, who knows. For me, I agree with you we didn’t improve much, but fifth or sixth in the conference is still a reasonable expectation this year and that makes us a playoff bound, not playin contenders

    Of course, I tend to be an optimist in this sort of thing. Reality is often worse.

    all the critical discussion regarding the prognosis of the upcoming season simply means: bet the over

    two words: jalen brunson

    he is the closest i’ve felt to contention since – a long time…

    so – what is the best guess for quik going forward – are we NOT going to extend him this season?

    4. I like Hart, but I think he played over his head for the Knicks.

    Knicks were on a 48 win pace post-Cam and pre-Hart, which is pretty much where they ended up.

    And despite shooting 50% from 3, Hart shot so few 3s it likely didn’t make too much of a difference.

    Hart took fewer 3PAs (52) than Cam (56) & Rose (63). Less than 50% of Deuce (134) & Fournier (114).

    All those other guys shot sub 31%

    oh, and the black and white i dream of jeannie is the one to see…i don’t know what she was doing to stay in such fantastic shape, but god bless, barbara was very fit looking in that outfit…she was around 34 when the first season showed…born during a tough time…

    @geo…andor is really good…better than obi wan…and mandolorian was pretty good …although i’m kind of burned out on giancarlo esposito being the villain (in the Boys as well)…too much gus fring association..

    but very pumped for the roasario vehicle…

    Jeannie was one of the only shows I watched from before my time. I was born something like 20yrs after the show ended and she was still one of my first crushes.

    Knicks were on a 48 win pace post-Cam and pre-Hart, which is pretty much where they ended up.

    And despite shooting 50% from 3, Hart shot so few 3s it likely didn’t make too much of a difference.

    Hart took fewer 3PAs (52) than Cam (56) & Rose (63). Less than 50% of Deuce (134) & Fournier (114).

    IMO, there are way too many moving parts to try to get a wins contribution based on their record pre Hart and post Hart. It would take a very serious analysis of the entire league. It’s simpler to look at the obvious. He had a career high 2p%, 3p%, FT% and TS% for NY. Some of those numbers look too high to think they can possibly be sustained. He also had a team leading on/off of +10.3 among rotation players. So beyond the positive impact we were all seeing, that’s another data point that suggests he was playing especially well in every other way too.

    Hart played over his head. Expect his return to more average shooting to be a net negative. You don’t need to go beyond that. How much is hard to quantify, but it will be negative.

    If we’re talking about someone a bit before my time but I saw some episodes in syndication it would have to be Valerie Bertinelli in One Day at a Time.

    Strat, your post crossed with mine. I think it’s reasonable to say the Knicks didn’t improve, but not many teams at the top of the East did either.

    I’m thinking in terms of the entire league. I’m also thinking more in terms of record (under/over) and not just ranking.

    Charlotte had key players out last year and drafted high. They may not threaten us in the standings, but they will be a lot better than they were last year.

    There are young teams with more internal upside.

    Orlando, Detroit, Indiana, Houston, San Antonio, and OKC will be better (OKC could be a lot better).

    Minnesota will be tougher with a healthy Towns all season.

    I like the Cavs off season.

    Dallas has a better team and won’t be tanking games.

    New Orleans could have heathier season with Zion and Ingram playing more games.

    The Lakers will have a full season with the team that played well down the stretch.

    Portland and Washington are the two teams that should take a significant step back, but whoever gets Lillard will probably be better (Miami?).

    We’ll see what happens with the 76ers and Clippers.

    When I look around I see a lot of teams I expect to improve more than the Knicks due to significant injuries last year, very young high quality recent draft picks that should improve, quality players added this year etc..

    I think we are going to have tough time winning 47 games this year unless someone takes a serious step forward or we make another move either now or before the deadline.

    Strat, if you and I are both correct, then the East will be more balanced than last year, the West will be better and the Knicks will win fewer games but still be in fifth or sixth place.

    They never did reveal who was the boss

    i will not fall prey to your jedi mind tricks…

    i will not fall prey to your jedi mind tricks…

    okay, it was judith light…and, there was never really any question at all…judith light was the only reason i ever stopped to watch that show…

    Why is Tony Danza’s character named “Tony” in whatever show he’s in

    It’s like he doesn’t know how to respond to any other name

    I’m thinking in terms of the entire league. I’m also thinking more in terms of record (under/over) and not just ranking.

    Okay, but we’re talking about ranking & specifically whether we’ll make thr playoffs, or at least should be favored to do so, or if we’ll be fighting for the play-in.

    When I look around I see a lot of teams I expect to improve more than the Knicks due to significant injuries last year, very young high quality recent draft picks that should improve, quality players added this year etc..

    Okay, but we’ll improve by having Hart available for 50 extra games. And by not having Fournier or Cam Reddish in the lineup for 30ish games.

    Those are no different than missing guys due to injury.

    We were much better than our 47 win record said.

    Brunson missed 10 of the 25 games Hart played and we still managed a 50 win pace.

    First you need to determine what our record should’ve been based on our end of season rotation, then adjust for the changes other teams made.

    He had a career high 2p%, 3p%, FT% and TS% for NY. Some of those numbers look too high to think they can possibly be sustained. He also had a team leading on/off of +10.3 among rotation players.

    He had a +12.8 on/off when he was in Portland, so it was actually lower in NY.

    His 2p% of .601 last year was only marginally lower despite taking 2 more shots per 36.

    Regardless, the effect size is minimal because he takes so few shots.

    I truly don’t know what to make of our team. Josh Hart was such a big part of our playoff push and the Cleveland series that it’s hard to discern what was due to a “hot streak” and what was due to his finally being on a team playing for something. RJ was a more consistent player in the playoffs. Who knows what the deal will be with IQ, Grimes, and DDV?

    We will be a handful for opponents every night and should have a winning record. I’m not sure that we are a top-5 team in the East again, but we should be a blast to watch and root for.

    DraftKings has NYK o/u at 44.5

    +100 for the under
    -120 for the over

    FanDuel o/u at 43.5

    +108 for the under
    -132 for the over

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