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Good morning https://cleverjourneys.com/2021/09/18/the-donkey-tiger-and-lion-lesson/
I’m moving on. Enjoy the discussion.
In other news, my brother’s partner runs a poetry journal (she’s a newly minted English PhD who went Alt-AC) and she received (and published) a poem from none other than NBA Hall of Famer Grant Hill! Moreover, it’s actually not bad! He’s got an entertaining bio too.
https://www.ballastjournal.com/grant-hill
So now that landing OG seems highly unlikely, who’s the next target? Personally, this FO should avoid dealing with guys like Ujiri and Ainge. Hopefully they have compiled a list of the dumbest (or most desperate/vulnerable) FOs in the league (excluding themselves, of course…something Steve Mills couldn’t figure out) and the players on those teams they might be able to target if things go south.
Obviously Portland is on that list (the Jerami Grant contract is absurd), and once the Dame deal is done they might have pieces to move. The others on my list:
Charlotte (what a mess…)
Washington (what a mess…)
Minny (Twin Towers doesn’t seem like it’s working…)
Clips (The Harden mess is still looming…, salary problems)
Mavs (Cuban is a buyer for now and hates us but he’s also impulsive…)
Rockets (seems like they have a glut of wings)
Lakers (If AD or LeBron goes down, it’s over…)
Pels (Zion might get wanderlust)
Grizz (let’s see how Marcus Smart works out there…)
Sixers (never been a Morey fan and he’s getting desperate, let’s see what happens with Harden)
I’d also keep an eye on teams like GSW, MIL, and DEN because of the implications on the new CBA.
DET should definitely be on that list too…that’s some contract they just gave Isaiah Stewart!
That’s cool, alecto!
The league is truly running low on marks. There are no more Phil Jacksons or Vlade Divacs, just about everyone seems to have at least a basic understanding of the win curve, asset management, etc.
Trades these days tend to be a mutually sensible swap of present equity for future equity. It makes building via the “hybrid” method that much harder because you’re almost always paying retail for additional talent.
Thankfully we happened to be on the receiving end of some of the best bargains in recent memory in Brunson and Randle (you can laugh, but he grades out excellently from a $/production perspective despite many valid concerns about him as a building block). So we can pay retail for upgrades and still contend…so long as we pick the right targets.
TNFH, I don’t think your assessment fully takes the new CBA into account. FOs and Governors will be experiencing inordinate stresses to build/maintain roster and cap flexibility. So “marks” don’t have to be stupid, per se. They just have to be squeezed by market conditions and urgency to either be competitive or dump salary.
As such, I think there will be FOs that adapt quickly (probably Ainge and Ujiri) and others that will paint themselves into a corner. Some teams like Memphis, Sacramento, Denver, and yes, the Knicks, have not had to deal with the pressures of maintaining a winning roster for a while. As caps tighten up (see: the Isaiah Stewart deal) I am guessing that some GMs start churning Mark Cuban-style and there will be bargains to be had if teams have expirings, picks, and cap flexibility. So what constitutes “retail” is not really defined yet. Nor are the implications for the “hybrid” method, especially as it applies to a team that has already made significant progress by that method without painting itself into a corner, which Leon has sort of pulled off.
Hmm, I would almost argue the opposite. A full tear down might be harder because now it’s harder to milk some team for all of their assets when you need to blow it up. Like yeah, if you got Dame or Embiid and want to trade them, you can trade them for a boatload of picks. But it feels like teams that might want to trade the Paul George’s or Harden’s or KAT’s of the league are going to have a harder time now getting lots of picks for a full rebuild if they trade one of those dudes bc all the GM’s are wise to the fact that it’s not worth trading all your picks and young players for a player like that. So unless you’re willing to trade a young, injury free star, doing a full tear down isn’t possible.
The new CBA is a real wild card. I think most people assumed that having bigger penalties for going over the cap would favor the top players at the expense of the middle class. I’m not sure that is happening in practice. There have been a lot of nice contracts signed by middle class players. What is more, having real penalties for being under the salary floor seems to be making some bad teams sign some middle class players to nice contracts, like Detroit just did. Teams may be asking themselves is it better to have two great players and a bunch of minimum salaries or to have a more balanced team with a bunch of players making good but not max level salaries.
I think managements in every industry tend to mimic what other managements are doing and whatever worked recently. In part it protects them from criticism and in part people tend to overvalue recent information.
IMO the market for picks, players, and free agents has always been relatively efficient. However, there will always be some inefficiencies that can be exploited by the handful of managements that can resist following the crowd, the latest wisdom, being results oriented or that can understand the implications of rule changes quicker. The location of those inefficiencies keeps changing. You have to be smart enough to know the intrinsic values to find them. That’s a lot easier to say than do.
there is generally wisdom in the crowds… which makes most markets generally efficient…. but that’s a totally different thing to be saying that EVERY market participant has EVERY datapoint available to them… and just because you are an outlier does not necessarily mean you can be exploited… in fact those outliers are what brings the wisdom to the crowd …
you find this effect in polling…. where herding is quite common the closer you get to election day… this is mostly due to polling firms not wanting to stick their neck out on outlier type numbers because if they’re wrong.. they’re wrong alone and less people will goto them… if they herd and they’re wrong… they share the blame and they don’t lose as much….
but when that happens polling firms wind up missing by a larger amount .. that’s one reason why appeals to authority are so weak because if you’re not arriving at your conclusion organically you bring no value to the group…. you’re herding…. the group is very smart but if you’re just copying someone else.. you make everyone dumber….
it’s combining these varying perspectives…. and information sources… and viewpoints… where groups excel…. (which is a point to affirmative action but maybe someone wants to take that fireball of a topic)… the point is that the future is not some predetermined endpoint where someone inherently has an advantage to locate….. that’s like how greeks and romans worshipped oracles… and the same mentality behind newsletter scams… this is 2023… dont do that….
all this is to say that nba gm’s… as a group… are pretty smart and tend to value the right things… but that does not make every gm all that smart… and works in a lot of other areas as well… like kb as a whole has pretty decent basketball knowledge and we know for a fact that not everyone here is all that knowledgeable (and that will differ person to person)….
I think sometimes a move by management that appears to be “dumb” or “brilliant” in hindsight was actually not either. Certain probabilistic things can work out especially well or badly and produce a result that looks brilliant or dumb after the fact even though it wasn’t either. In other words, luck has a lot to do with the results.
An exception might be how certain trades are handled.
Just for argument’s sake, let’s say internally we were undervaluing KP.
If we spoke to every team that was interested, we’d get competing offers. So it’s likely our own incompetence at valuing him would be offset by the competence of the other teams bidding on him.
If for some reason we only spoke to Dallas instead of Dallas, Boston, and everyone else that was interested, we’d probably wind up taking less than he was worth. So the relatively efficient market would get short circuited.
Donnie, don’t ever change. Or learn. We love you just the way you are.
In a way, I think most of us here are like stopped clocks. We’re correct twice a day and other times can be really far off
slow day, so please forgive – more ramblings…
so, three months since i’ve worked…about a month now since i’ve gotten my senses back a bit and have regained my loose grip on myself…
one big thing that has become apparent – parenting is about a million times easier without work on the schedule…it’s still parenting, which is most definitely not for the faint of heart…soon to be 60 with a couple of pre-teens is gonna take a little effort, i’m sure…
it’s just without the huge stressor (both good and bad) that was work, i’m able to focus more on dad duties…
the military gave me a strong love for mentorship, instead of the people at work – i can put all my focus and energy in to the kids…very thankful for that…
health is doing okay, my shoulder sort of feels like it wants to fall off, but, that’s been a thing for a while now…finally got all my meds sorted with the VA – it’s a handful each day…may let them have a crack at my shoulder soon…who knows, maybe it’s just old age…i do remember though tearing the medial head of my deltoid playing rugby at the prep school…i remember my shoulder turning purple then yellow…
i lasted a whole four games in that sport…i got hurt every single game, as a matter of fact, i lot of people got hurt every single game…loved the drinking and singing at a bar afterwards though…
later that year i started a racquetball club, so i would have an approved activity that i could do in the afternoons instead of some other sport or mandated stuff…i remember a guy named richard hatch (the naked survivor guy) who i had met doing scuba certification helped me get that going…he was a really good racquetball player…
oh, and as an aside – i think i may actually be more excited than you and the missus z-man…that looks like such a beautiful place…travel safe and enjoy…
If Obi goes from the team that has Julius Randle to the team that has Pascal Siakam we have to band together to send him a fruit basket.
I mentioned that trade possibility and what it would mean for Obi the other day, but I’ve been saying all along that was the likely outcome somewhere else too. That’s why I thought the trade was a bad idea. He’s a PF that can’t defend SF or C. So he’s going to play almost all PF. The only way he’s going get more minutes is to win the starting PF position, but he’s not really a starting PF on a good team at this stage. So it was very likely he was going to get 15 minutes a night at his next stop also unless they had a bad weakness at that position, an injury prone player there, and had to start him for now. If he wants to secure more minutes on a good team permanently he has to get better.
The Pacers were the only team that could possibly have used Obi as a starter. It’s why his trade value was so low. It’s why John Collins had to be moved in a salary dump. They’re talented players, but they’re dinosaurs.
Maybe he can show something off the bench in the few minutes he shares with Hali, maybe he gets buried behind Jarace
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July 11, 2023 at 17:28
oh, and as an aside – i think i may actually be more excited than you and the missus z-man…that looks like such a beautiful place…travel safe and enjoy…”
Glad to hear you are getting your skis under you, geo. And thanks for remembering! We leave at 1:30 AM for the airport…not sure how I’ll be feeling in 24 hours, only that it won’t be sober lol!