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  • New York Knicks great Willis Reed dies at 80 – CNN
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, March 22, 2023 4:11:00 AM

    New York Knicks great Willis Reed dies at 80  CNNWillis Reed, New York Knicks legend and two-time NBA champion, dies at 80  CBS SportsMarv Albert knew Knicks’ Willis Reed would play in Game 7 of 1970 finals  New York Post

  • Knicks vs. Heat: Start time, where to watch, what’s the latest – Hoops Hype
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, March 22, 2023 3:49:08 AM

    Knicks vs. Heat: Start time, where to watch, what’s the latest  Hoops Hype

  • Knicks Notes: Hart, Brunson, Hartenstein, Randle – hoopsrumors.com
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, March 22, 2023 12:09:00 AM

    Knicks Notes: Hart, Brunson, Hartenstein, Randle  hoopsrumors.com

  • Video Willis Reed, New York Knicks legend, dies at 80 – ABC News
    [news.google.com] — Wednesday, March 22, 2023 12:00:04 AM

    Video Willis Reed, New York Knicks legend, dies at 80  ABC News

  • Knicks facing critical game with Heat as they try to avoid play-in – New York Post
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 8:31:00 PM

    Knicks facing critical game with Heat as they try to avoid play-in  New York Post

  • Isaiah Hartenstein reveals how close he was to not signing with Knicks – Daily Knicks
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 7:00:00 PM

    Isaiah Hartenstein reveals how close he was to not signing with Knicks  Daily Knicks

  • ‘Ted Lasso’ Star Wows Castmates with Epic Shot on New York … – WTMM 104.5 The Team – ESPN Radio
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 6:32:27 PM

    ‘Ted Lasso’ Star Wows Castmates with Epic Shot on New York …  WTMM 104.5 The Team – ESPN Radio

  • Miami Heat vs. New York Knicks odds, tips and betting trends | March 22 – USA TODAY Sportsbook Wire
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 6:28:41 PM

    Miami Heat vs. New York Knicks odds, tips and betting trends | March 22  USA TODAY Sportsbook Wire

  • How To Watch The Miami Heat-New York Knicks Game Wednesday, Lineups, Injury Report, Betting Odds Etc – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 5:12:24 PM

    How To Watch The Miami Heat-New York Knicks Game Wednesday, Lineups, Injury Report, Betting Odds Etc  Sports Illustrated

  • New York Knicks legend Willis Reed dies at age 80 – NBC Sports
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 4:49:15 PM

    New York Knicks legend Willis Reed dies at age 80  NBC Sports

  • New York Knicks legend Willis Reed dies at 80 – ESPN
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 4:43:23 PM

    New York Knicks legend Willis Reed dies at 80  ESPN

  • Josh Hart Would ‘Love’ to Sign Long-Term Knicks Contract During Offseason – Bleacher Report
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 4:40:28 PM

    Josh Hart Would ‘Love’ to Sign Long-Term Knicks Contract During Offseason  Bleacher Report

  • NBA Rumors: Knicks Land Pacers’ Myles Turner In This Trade – NBA Analysis Network
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 4:31:10 PM

    NBA Rumors: Knicks Land Pacers’ Myles Turner In This Trade  NBA Analysis Network

  • Knicks’ Immanuel Quickley Getting Big-Time 6MOY Love – Heavy.com
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 4:26:27 PM

    Knicks’ Immanuel Quickley Getting Big-Time 6MOY Love  Heavy.com

  • Julius Randle’s 57 points a ‘waste’ in Knicks’ loss to Wolves – Fox News
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 4:12:00 PM

    Julius Randle’s 57 points a ‘waste’ in Knicks’ loss to Wolves  Fox News

  • New York Knicks legend Willis Reed dies at age 80 – NPR
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 4:10:10 PM

    New York Knicks legend Willis Reed dies at age 80  NPR

  • Knicks Legend, Basketball Hall of Famer Willis Reed Dies at 80 – NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 3:51:24 PM

    Knicks Legend, Basketball Hall of Famer Willis Reed Dies at 80  NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

  • Willis Reed, Knicks Hall of Famer and NBA legend, dies at 80 – Yahoo Sports
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 3:10:29 PM

    Willis Reed, Knicks Hall of Famer and NBA legend, dies at 80  Yahoo SportsNew York Knicks great Willis Reed dies at 80  CNNHow Knicks legend Willis Reed also helped Nets reach NBA Finals  New York Post

  • Just How Bad Was Last Night’s Loss For The New York Knicks? – WTMM 104.5 The Team – ESPN Radio
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 2:02:54 PM

    Just How Bad Was Last Night’s Loss For The New York Knicks?  WTMM 104.5 The Team – ESPN Radio

  • Heat bracing for Knicks’ Randle after his 57 Monday (he had 43 last time in Miami) – South Florida Sun Sentinel
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 1:12:51 PM

    Heat bracing for Knicks’ Randle after his 57 Monday (he had 43 last time in Miami)  South Florida Sun Sentinel

  • Josh Hart hopes to sign a long-term deal with New York – Hoops Hype
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 11:13:56 AM

    Josh Hart hopes to sign a long-term deal with New York  Hoops Hype

  • Rick Pitino’s return to Madison Square Garden brings back memories of his quietly revolutionary Knicks tenure – CBS Sports
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 10:50:56 AM

    Rick Pitino’s return to Madison Square Garden brings back memories of his quietly revolutionary Knicks tenure  CBS Sports

  • Knicks’ 1 percent chance of winning NBA title feels like more – New York Post
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, March 21, 2023 7:50:00 AM

    Knicks’ 1 percent chance of winning NBA title feels like more  New York Post

  • 54 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2023.03.22)”

    On Macri’s podcast this morning, Ray Marcano tried to argue that Willis coming out of the tunnel is the single most iconic moment in NY sports history, and that it’s not close. I can’t go that far, simply because there have been so many of them: Ruth’s called shot, Mays’ catch of Vic Wertz, the Mr. October and Mr. November home runs, the Helmet Catch, “MATTEAU! MATTEAU! MATTEAU!,” etc. But Willis is obviously incredible, and Marcano made a good point that now any athlete trying to play through a serious injury gets compared to Willis.

    So while we wait for the ‘Bockers to play again and pay salute to The Captain, anybody want to say where they’d put that moment in a NY sports top 5? I’ll start:

    1. Helmet Catch (it’s considered the greatest play in Super Bowl history, and the center of one of the all-time great upsets)
    2. Mays catches Vic Wertz
    3. Willis in the tunnel
    4. Ruth called shot
    5. Mr. November (I’m biased for having been in the Stadium that night, but my god, did we all need that in the fall of 2001)

    I mean, the real answer is just “Jackie Robinson takes the field with the Brooklyn Dodgers for the first time,” but that feels like it’s in its own special category.

    I’d put Starks’ dunk vs the Bulls up there except that we lost the series. And maybe LJ’s 4 point play vs the Pacers.

    But yeah you have to put the Helmet catch first in terms of improbability and the magnitude of the upset.

    Bobby Thomson’s shot heard round the world is probably pretty high on that list. Plus, it involved two NY teams.

    Lou Gehrig’s luckiest man speech.

    There’s a lot.

    Yeah, I think helmet catch has to be number one.

    But also, what about when that kid caught the ball in the orioles series that turned into a homerun for the yankees?

    Oh man, Don Larsen’s perfect game, Jeter’s flip, Bucky Dent, Aaron Boone, Buckner’s error was against the Mets… there’s so many

    Or, at least, tell me what moments you would put ahead of Willis coming out of the tunnel.

    1. The Catch
    2. Helmet Catch
    3. Shot Heard Round the World
    4. Gehrig’s Speech
    5. Willis Reed Tunnel
    6. Ruth’s Called Shot

    I grew up more of a baseball fan, so I feel pretty biased towards baseball even though I don’t follow it anymore. I’m tempted to put Reggie’s 3 homeruns and the called shot over Reed too.

    I don’t like this game Alan!!!

    “On Macri’s podcast this morning, Ray Marcano tried to argue that Willis coming out of the tunnel is the single most iconic moment in NY sports history, and that it’s not close.”

    There’s “iconic” and there’s “heroic.”

    Personally, I’d put Willis Reed’s Game 7 feat as the single most heroic moment in team sports history. Having lived through it as a deeply obsessed 12 year old who stayed up late to watch the game on tape delay, and who had just watched the heavily favored Chamberlain-West-Baylor Lakers just destroy the Knicks in game 6 (Wilt had 45), I literally was praying for a miracle but thought there was absolutely no chance to win that game without The Captain.

    That there was no word at all as to whether he would play (you only knew that it was some kind of very serious hip injury so again you were reduced to praying for a miracle) added to the suspense of the moment. I was in deep despair about the most likely outcome, which is that he wouldn’t play.

    The Knicks owned NYC beyond what the Yankees, Giants, Dodgers or Mets ever could (same with the Giants and Jets) because they were the only basketball franchise in NYC and had the entire city behind them in a way that is hard to describe. Hockey did not have the fan base that basketball did in NYC…although the Rangers were pretty huge at that time, it was not the same.

    And it was also the nature of the team. As great as Reed was, and in spite of the MVP, he was not considered the best player in the league, or even at his position. Same with every other member of the team. They were the consummate “There is no I in team” team. They played impeccably unselfishly on both ends of the floor, and HAD to play that way to win a championship.

    And the iconic, heroic figure on that team was Willis Reed. Clyde, Dave, Dollar Bill, etc. were beloved, but Reed towered above them. He was essentially the Bill Russell of New York.

    And you could see that in the reverence his teammates had for him. These were no ordinary sports figures. Bill Bradley would become a senator and presidential candidate. Clyde would become Clyde. Dick Barnett would get a PhD from Fordham. DeBusschere would become the Knicks’ POBO. Phil Jackson would become arguably the greatest coach in NBA history. And all of these guys were terrified by Willis, or more accurately, terrified of disappointing him by not giving their all or being selfish. And they knew that Willis had their back at all times because no one would dare fuck with him. And he did so with great kindness and humility that made him even more endearing, more deserving of reverence. He was everything you would want in a leader. There wasn’t a speck of asshole in him. You would run through a wall for him, because he would run through a wall for you first.

    And that’s what he did on that iconic night in the spanking new MSG. He ran through a wall for his team, and for this great city, at a time of incredible societal upheaval. He not only took excruciatingly painful needles to numb the agony of a torn muscle, with the weight of our great City, the MSG crowd, but first and foremost his underdog team on his massive shoulders, he stuck that first jumper, and then another one. He dragged his useless leg up and down the court and laid his body on Wilt until he wasn’t needed any more. He inspire Clyde and Dave to have the greatest games in their respective careers.

    With all due respect to the other iconic NY sports moments, I don’t think there was ever a more heroic scene in the history of NYC sports. The walk out of the tunnel. The two jumpers. Fifty three years later, it’s still etched into my soul more deeply that all of my other sports moments combined. It was truly a gift to be an obsessed fan of that team and that player.

    Nice post, Z. As someone who was born 10 years too late to witness it the amazing thing is that it’s etched in MY mind as the best moment. And I’m a big Yankees fan. I’ve seen it so many times.

    I agree with Ray–it is Willis and not even close. Obviously I am biased and with Willis’ passing am not going to relegate him. But we are talking about a moment that just about every sports fan knows about (non-Knicks fans, non-basketball fans) and has withstood the test of history.

    As to some other iconic moments us older folks remember:
    -Joe Namath following through on his guarantee
    -Ron Swoboda catch
    -Mookie’s grounder

    Others to add to the list:
    -Don Larson’s perfect game
    -Jackie Robinson stealing home
    -Bucky Dent’s homer

    Messier guarantee game 6 and then hat trick…

    Namath guarantee super bowl and beating colts

    Both in top 5

    One non-NYC moment that I still put up there in terms of heroics from a seriously injured player is Kirk Gibson’s HR off of Eck. Gibson could barely run around the bases.

    Z-man, among Marcano’s arguments for putting Willis at number one is that all other moments like it — and he specifically cited Gibson — inevitably get compared to Willis.

    Great post Z-Man!

    As an adopted new yorker fan since 1980 (Yankees, Rangers, Giants, but I don’t hate the Mets, Jets, Islanders) and sport history buff I’ve a lot of problems ranking the most iconic one.

    I add a strange one to the potential list:

    – Norwood’s missed field goal (that made me scream like a madman in the wee-wee hours)

    Willis Reed coming out of the tunnel is the WORST moment in New York sports history for people who love load management.

    I think we are starting to compare apples with oranges. I look at “single most iconic moment” as precluding a whole game. Rather it is a single moment in a game, or a single moment not necessarily in a game. And it has to resonate into something more important than what that moment did to the outcome of the game to be iconic. Willis coming out of the tunnel was a moment that resonated as a heroic act that inspired his teammates to win. The Helmet Catch was a moment that resonated as a play that said never give up hope. The Thomson HR was a moment that resonated as the most riveting ending to a sports game. Those are my top 3.

    Great post, Z-Man. It is interesting that Willis’s tunnel walk did not involve an athletic action per se ( cf. helmet catch, Thompson’s walk-off), but a selfless act that simultaneously inspired unbridled confidence in the Knicks and an equally powerful sense of doom in the Lakers.
    The fact that this was the Knicks’ first chip ( cf Yankees, football Giants) magnifies the significance of the impact of the tunnel walk.
    Clyde has referenced this many times and his reverence for the Captain is also palpable. While in moments of candor, Clyde rightfully says that he deserved the series MVP in 1970, he never wavers in his praise of Willis as the leader of the team and a personal mentor.
    Edit- I see the Bernie Ernie made a similar distinction.

    Willis was an all-time great leader, and a HOF-level player, but there is no doubt in my mind that Clyde was the best player on that team, and on those teams in general. You could argue that in spite of Ewing’s statistical advantages, Clyde was the most talented player at his position ever to play for the Knicks. In terms of standing in the league, in his prime he was sort of the Kawhi Leonard of his day…great two-way player, should have won finals MVP twice, never a league MVP but often in the conversation…

    Despite the flashy clothes, the Rolls Royces and well-documented prowess with the ladies, he was soft-spoken and unemotional on the court and in the press. He went an entire career without a technical foul.

    Another great comparison with Clyde (and to an extent Willis) is Derek Jeter, who was never the best player in the league statistically but might have been the guy you would pick first when choosing sides.

    Great post Z-man. I am not old enough to remember the game, but I do remember the way he and that whole team was revered. I’ve seen the highlights so many times, I can hear Chris Schenkel’s voice saying “I think I see Willis coming out now!” That is to me the most iconic moment in New York sports history. I hope Thibs has a “win one for the captain” speech ready for the team.

    I have no dog in this fight. Can barely remember what happened yesterday.

    But I do remember a very funny aside from Clyde on some telecast. He and Breen were reminiscing about Willis coming out of the tunnel and Clyde said something like, “people sometimes forget that I put up 36-19-7. and played that whole game.” It was said with humility of course, as always, but was kind of hilarious.

    “But I do remember a very funny aside from Clyde on some telecast. He and Breen were reminiscing about Willis coming out of the tunnel and Clyde said something like, “people sometimes forget that I put up 36-19-7. and played that whole game.” It was said with humility of course, as always, but was kind of hilarious.”

    It’s certainly something for Clyde to be wistful, even a bit peeved about. But the fact that such a spectacular performance was totally overshadowed actually helps to make the case for Willis’s moment being so iconic.

    Can’t believe we’re talking about single most iconic NY sports moment and we’re not mentioning JR Smith tying an opponents shoe laces during a free throw.

    The buttfumble was iconic in its own way.

    similar to the joe pisarciak (or whatever his name was) on the giants…fumble against the eagles…that one is on every famous blooper playlist…

    Z-Man, excellent post. I love hearing people talk about those teams. To a person, they’re discussed with a reverence that goes far beyond athletic excellence.

    I’ve made this recommendation before, but now feels like a great time to reiterate that When the Garden Was Eden by Harvey Araton is a fantastic read for anyone, but especially for people like me who weren’t alive to experience the glory years.

    Probably a bit too obscure to make a top 5, but I’ll stump for a moment I was in attendance for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVGchb4GRE0&ab_channel=MLB

    We knew the series was won as soon as the ball hit the ground. The rest of the game was a celebration.

    As a Marylander, I’ve only been a fan of any NY team (Mets, Knicks) since 88 or so, so I don’t have much to offer in a way that might trump Reed in the tunnel or Mookie’s grounder..or any Robinson BK moments..the list goes on. For me personally, and only since my Fandom, it’s the LJ 4 point play. I do have a few to add to the conversation for shits and giggles..and some discourse, of course:
    1. JVG trying to stop the fight between the Knicks & Heat
    2. The team hoisting Parcells on their shoulders after the Giants won the Super Bowl in 87(?)
    3. The Chris Childs 2-piece
    4. Messier hoisting the Stanley Cup in 94(?)

    Ten horrible debacles in my personal sports fan history:

    Charles Smith
    The Fake Spike
    Glavine first inning
    Charlie Ward Miami brawl
    Reggie game
    Pendleton HR
    Brien missed FGs
    AJ Duhe mud bowl
    Molina HR/Beltran K
    Benitez blown save vs. Yanks (was the Jeter play at home plate in that series?)

    If the so-called “The Dunk” is one of the greatest moments in your team’s history, your team’s history isn’t very good.

    Great topic Alan and I loved what you wrote Z-Man. I know you are looking for rankings, but here are some that stand out to me .

    -Jeter’s flip (wow, huge play, unusual, amazing athleticism)
    -The huge home runs during the 2001 World Series: Jeter, Brosius, Tino.
    -Jeter’s game winning hit in last at bat at Yankees Stadium (still get chills)
    -Starks dunk against the Bulls
    -Alan Houston’s game winner against Heat

    Also the opposite, when it comes to the Knicks.

    -Charles Smith against the Bulls
    -Starks getting blocked by Hakeem Olajuwon in game 6, perhaps the game and Championship winning shot.
    -Charles Oakley getting dragged out of MSG.

    Interesting article and thanks for the link. But I don’t like its tone as it ignores a key element to why we are getting there—the team comraderie. Not every star or star sidekick is going to fit into the culture that seems to be building. At this point I would rather add a 2nd/3rd banana who fits rather than a 1st who comes with prima demands ala Kawhi.

    My dad was at the Willis Reed tunnel game. He was 19.

    That was at the new MSG, but Dad really loved the old Madison Square Garden, he’d go there to see the fights a lot. He always said the old MSG was in black and white in real life. That there was no color in there, it was always old guys in grey suits smoking cigars or cigarettes, the lighting was all white and the boxers would wear black or white trunks. He saw Muhammad Ali fight Zora Folley at the old MSG.

    Cool story, JK. I never got to see the old MSG but did go to the new MSG for a Knicks game in its debut season.

    BernieErnie, I feel differently about Kawhi. He is a weird guy but doesn’t have a reputation for being a disruptive teammate or either an on-court or locker room primadonna. The only concerns I have about him is his age and health.

    Z-man

    Great post on Willis and the Knicks.

    I think you had to be alive and a Knicks fan to appreciate what Willis meant to the Knicks, what the Knicks meant to the city, how loved that specific team was, and what Willis coming out to play despite the pain meant.

    I think I’m either going to have to drink heavily or hide in the closet for the Heat game. I’m already hyped up.

    He is a weird guy but doesn’t have a reputation for being a disruptive teammate or either an on-court or locker room.

    ZMan, no inside knowledge but remembering an Athletic article last year citing KL and PG special treatment. Be it either of them or someone else,absent the alphas of Doncic, Jokic, Giannis, or Joel, whoever comes in has got to earn it in the lockeroom rather than a clause in their contract

    “Strat, that doesn’t have to be an either/or choice.”

    lmao

    If we had won that game the other night, I’d be pumped but not too nervous. I’m not sure I’m going to be able to handle this game unless it’s going well right from the start. I may have to switch to Battle Bots or the Mavs game.

    Paul George has a sprained knee. That’s better news than feared. He’ll be reevaluated in 2-3 weeks. The Clippers should just load manage for 82 games.

    Strat this game isn’t anywhere near as important as you’re making it out to be. Knicks have a 3 game lead with only 9 games left, they host Miami next Wednesday and the Heat are in Toronto the night before. As Mitch would tell Marc Berman, relax! 🙂

    “Strat this game isn’t anywhere near as important as you’re making it out to be. Knicks have a 3 game lead with only 9 games left, they host Miami next Wednesday and the Heat are in Toronto the night before. As Mitch would tell Marc Berman, relax! 🙂”

    I’m a horse player.

    I’ve had 6 length leads with only 1/8th of a mile to go and lost a head bob at the wire. I’m used to unexpected but painful finishes. At this point I’m programmed to not count my chickens. 🙂

    I was 15 and just upstate from the city when the Yanks lost on that broken-bat single, and despite already knowing deep in my heart that the God of my childhood was a mere superstition, I sat on my bed with tears in my eyes and felt it confirmed in that moment.

    Years later, I doubled down on that sentiment when it came out in great detail that Curt Schilling was a colossal piece of shit. That’s the guy who helped rub salt in the wounds of the tri-state area?

    Paul George has a sprained knee.

    That shit looked totally broked. That franchise finally got some luck thrown their way.

    anything to charge those kinda ticket prices, boys

    daddy’s gotta reclaim some of the lost home equity from the divorce settlement somehow

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