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46 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2023.03.17)”
Agreed. Seemed like another LOLKingz move, but there was only so far that team was going to go with a pair of redundant stars in Fox and Hali. Hali’s arguably still the better PG of the two, but Sabonis is a much more complementary piece, and he and Fox seem to have unlocked something in each other. (That, or, as discussed last night, Mike Brown really did learn a lot in his time as Kerr’s assistant.)
Challenge trades (where the meat of it is a player-for-player thing, as opposed to player-for-picks or player-for-prospects) are fun! Trying to think of the last one before this — whether in the NBA or another pro sport — that worked out as well as this has so far.
Kings have a lot of work to do on defense. Sabonis is going to be a limiting factor on that side of the ball. Other than Barnes they’re a young team, so maybe they cobble together a defense at some point.
I’m wondering how they fair if the West wasn’t floundering.
https://www.theringer.com/2023/3/15/23640235/zach-edey-purdue-boilermakers
Here’s a great feature article on Zach Edey’s unique story. I think he will be a good NBA player and if he goes anywhere beyond the 30’s that there are going to be a lot of teams wishing they drafted him.
The Kings essentially have an 8-man rotation. Five of the eight have a TS% of over .600, including all of their “Big 3” of Sabonis, Fox and Barnes. Then RoTY candidate Murray and former draft bust made good Monk are around .590. There worst shooter is Davion Mitchell at .547, which is higher than our favorite 26% usage eater.
They don’t play D but can sure put the ball in the basket.
I think I’d fade Edey. But I love him. He really doesn’t seem like an athlete. I think he’ll have an NBA career, a decent one as a backup center, but not much more than that.
This may have something to do with Purdue having lost every game I watched parts of.
Typically a team like this does great in the regular season, but not so much in the playoffs.
Fox specially has had such a weird development for me, coming out of college i really thought he was going to be an offensively limited, defensively elite guard, and he has developed into pretty much the opposite of that, a clutch shot maker that attacks the defense relentlessly. Goes to show how unpredictable development paths can be in the NBA.
It’s possible that SAC has some untapped defensive potential. Fox is very capable, Murray is a developing rookie, Barnes is crafty and Sabonis is mobile. Huerter is obviously a weak link and they have no rim protection, so they will definitely be vulnerable in the first round, especially to a team like the Lakers that has been playing possum all year.
Challenge trades (where the meat of it is a player-for-player thing, as opposed to player-for-picks or player-for-prospects) are fun! Trying to think of the last one before this — whether in the NBA or another pro sport — that worked out as well as this has so far.
From the Knicks POV, the last challenge trade that worked out well for both teams was Mr Bill for Oak.
A lot of folks didn’t buy into how well Walker Kessler’s game would translate to the NBA. I’m getting the same vibe with Edey. He’s not as mobile as Kessler but when you’re that big you have a bit more wiggle room on positioning. He can also pass a little bit. I’m not getting a Tacko Fall freak show vibe from him. There’s some real athleticism and skill there.
I’ll go on record as saying that he’d be a good trade-down target for us if we predictably punt on #15 or so. One of Mitch or iHart is not long for this team, and Sims has some limitations that don’t seem fixable.
Would you count Trae Young for Luka Doncic?
Murray genes are strong his brother seems like a very Knicksy pick for what we need.
Jordan is selling his stake in the Hornets. To Gabe Plotkin, who ran a hedge fund into the ground quite famously.
Quite an interesting way to bet on VW.
I think Walker Kessler and Edey are not comps at all. Kessler can fly. He had a 19.7% block % as a sophomore. Edey is at 7.1%%.
Also, Mitch has more thoughts, on his thoughts….
https://twitter.com/BigKnickEnergy_/status/1636727204527628289/photo/1
I like what Mitch said. He’s being open and honest and the point he makes about defense is spot on.
I think Thibs would run a few more plays for him if he wasn’t a 40 percent free throw shooter. It’s hard to justify giving him the ball for a post up move or ten foot jumper when the opposing team knows if they foul him, he has a good chance of missing one or both of the free throws. So unless it’s a pick and roll lob or him doing a put back dunk off a rebound, I can see why he doesn’t get the ball much.
A lot of centers have been poor free throw shooters. But even by those standards, Mitch is really bad. If he could just be a “respectable” 65 percent or whatever, it would make a huge difference.
Still, I would love to see him get a few more chances. He did have that one move a few games ago where he was out past the free throw line and there was some space and he put the ball on the floor and went straight to the rim. He has a decent handle for a big man. And I’ve seen him do a little post up hook shot before.
I want Mitch to be happy. It sounds like he was just blowing off steam and did it not in the best way, but he’s addressed it, so it’s all good.
I held out on Edey until this season but there’s legitimate skill there and he’s not *as* slow as you’d think based on his size.
I think he’s a lock to be able to at least be a Boban-like disruptor for a few minutes…but I think there’s more upside too. I can’t definitively rule out that he makes himself good enough offensively to make a team start him and deal with the (arguably overstated) defensive issues.
I still wouldn’t take him in the lottery, but the draft is shaping up to be pretty shallow so I wouldn’t begrudge anyone for taking one of the most productive players in the history of college basketball after that.
Would Oak for Camby qualify? Hmm.
And EB, I don’t think the Dallas/Atlanta trade quite counts, both because Luke and Trae were just draft picks at this point, plus Atlanta was getting an extra pick (Cam!) in the deal. So it wasn’t just about exchanging one guy for another.
I assume everything Mitch says on social media is trolling because we never hear anything negative about him from the press.
BR giving the Knicks some positives in the latest rankings (we are 8th). Mentioned IQ too.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10068833-power-rankings-joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-surging-down-the-stretch
“Jalen Brunson (and to a lesser extent, Julius Randle) have rightfully gotten the bulk of the credit for the New York Knicks’ success this season, but maybe it’s time to give Immanuel Quickley his due.
After dropping a team-high 26 in Tuesday’s win over the Portland Trail Blazers, Quickley is now averaging 20.1 points, 3.8 assists and 3.1 threes over his last nine games (and that stretch includes a three-point performance against the Sacramento Kings). For the entire season, when Quickley is on the floor without Brunson, he averages 20.5 points, 5.7 assists and 2.6 threes per 75 possessions.”
Some fun lineup data in Macri’s newsletter today. Mostly small sample size fun, but I found it interesting that Randle + Brunson is underwhelming on its own, but becomes elite when you add Mitch and/or IQ. They’ve really turned themselves into great complementary players to our semi-stars.
Quickley has been so good I’m *almost* worried he’ll want to seek out a full-time starting point guard, or at least more ball dominant, role. If you told me on December 20th when he had a .501 TS% that he’d push for .580 by season’s end I probably would’ve thought that was the most starry-eyed Team Optimist nonsense ever written on this blog, but here we are.
Dude has been downright elite since then–18.8/5.5/3.8 per-36 (and he’s played 32 minutes per game, so this is not small sample size theater) with a .610 TS%.
I’m sure he’ll be a good soldier as long as we make him very wealthy, but I wouldn’t blame him for politely suggesting he might deserve RJ’s starting spot either.
Yeah, this is probably right but was curious if anyone disagreed.
I will say that Hield was included in the Sabonis trade. He’s got significant issues but has generally been a productive offensive player, just as easily could’ve been included only for salary matching.
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If we beat Denver tomorrow, is it fair to think Denver would be the 6th best team in the East this year?
The conferences feel so lopsided, obviously there’s a lot more injuries on the elite west teams and the deadline changed the balance significantly.
Did that trade really work out for Toronto? Wouldn’t they have been better off just keeping Camby? Though, the only other trades I can think of that come close to qualifying are Mark Jackson for Charles Smith and KVH for Tim Thomas.
@TNFH: Dude has been downright elite since then–18.8/5.5/3.8 per-36 (and he’s played 32 minutes per game, so this is not small sample size theater) with a .610 TS%.
Wow. Those are some great numbers. I do kind of worry he may want to start too. I want to see how he performs in the playoffs too.
If Embiid wanted out of Philly, do you think a trade of RJ, Mitch, Obi, Grimes and 4 first round picks would get it done and would you do that trade?
Yeah I wouldn’t count Hield much because Sacramento really just wanted to dump his contract more than anything, and it just so happened that it matched with what they needed to get Sabonis.
Hield is one of those players who I always felt should be more productive then he is, he rarely gets injured, he always shoots well, yet he really doesn’t seem to impact winning much wherever he goes. It really feels there is a ceiling to how much a shooter who can’t do much else impacts a mediocre team.
“If Embiid wanted out of Philly, do you think a trade of RJ, Mitch, Obi, Grimes and 4 first round picks would get it done and would you do that trade?”
We get to keep out 3 best players in Brunson, Randle and IQ and we get a top 3 player in the league? Get me down for “hell yes” on this one.
Of course injury worries etc etc, it’s a relevant concern, but a Brunson / IQ / Hart / Randle / Embiid core is a legit contender, no questions asked, top team in the NBA. I don’t think the trade is realistic because Philly won’t do it for obvious reasons but yes, 100% do it.
I see two problems:
1. I can’t imagine that Morey would value RJ at all and probably views him as having negative value.
2. Embiid needs to be load managed and Thibodeau doesn’t do that.
I’d add every tradable pick and IQ if we got Embiid.
Then find a 3rd team to give Randle and send more picks to Philly.
Why wouldn’t you want to keep Randle?
Your big 3 would be Embiid, Randle and Brunson.
I would keep Randle. But if it meant getting Embiid, I’d give him up in a second.
Isiah should’ve never traded Van Horn for Tim Thomas. After the Marbury trade the Knicks were playing really well and Marbury had developed good chemistry with VH and especially Doleac. I remember a win at Miami where Kurt Thomas and Doleac killed them with jumpers running PnR with Marbury.
Then Isiah traded VH plus Doleac and they went on a horrible stretch before righting themselves to sneak into the playoffs just to get swept by NJ. Not saying keeping VH would’ve let to anything special but at the moment I didn’t like the trade and 19 years later I still hate it lol
Knicks fans furiously google “how long does a bone bruise take to heal”
Google says anywhere from 1 to 2 months! But then articles about it I see say it just depends on how bad it is. Could be just a week or so if it’s not a bad one.
I hope he’s taking calcium supplements. Those supposedly help.
Regardless, let the man sit another game or two. I honestly feel fairly confident we can win games without Brunson right now. Let LOOSE THE DEUCE!
Are we just going to sit here and pretend the Steve Novak/Andrea Bargnani challenge trade never happened!?!
We got Andrea Bargnani gifs and they got rid of Andrea Bargnani
this is an interesting question and sabonis actually was also involved in another win-win trade… it was Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis… which was sort of a dump since the pacers wasn’t going to resign him but relatively good trade for everyone…. then there was the Pau Gasol for Marc Gasol and picks which was supposed to be a terrible dump.. but wound up being a win-win…
this used to be a lot more common in the 90s… there was Jamal Mashburn for Eddie Jones and the Knicks were involved in a couple themselves… these days challenge trades don’t really happen unless they involve very minor players…
i think maybe because teams are more committed to the win curve and their core guys and if it’s not working they just tear it down instead of trying different pieces… what Sac was doing was relatively rare….
So whom does one root for, Mavs or Lakers?
deep thoughts mitch…deep thoughts brother…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EigfHLZHQkE
New Jersey owns Purdue lol
Edey now available at a bargain basement price. I think this Tsiebwe guy may have the better career.
Edey had 21 points on 11 shots and 15 rebounds. Where was the rest of his team?
Didn’t watch.
The Kings are on track to have the best offense in history according to the Athletic. Did not know that.
The Mavs recently had an all-time great offense. Now the Kings. Neither team was all-time great in the big scheme of things.
We live in strange times.
I am agnostic about the Celtics these days, and never took that righteous of a stance in the Cam debates, but I have to say I am a bit depressed watching the Blazers right now. The thought of a playoffs without a top-of-his-game Lillard is a mistake to west-coast fans that really shouldn’t happen. (Bring back Stots??)
Ant-Man was helped off the court with a sprained ankle, I’d be shocked if he plays against us.
The problem was that Marbury didn’t like Van Horn, despite their rather excellent on court chemistry. Also, not for nothing, but the Knicks also got Nazr Mohammed in the Tim Thomas deal, and later dealt Mohammed for Malik Rose and the pick that became David Lee (plus the pick that became Mardy Collins, but, well, that was less interesting than the David Lee pick).
Isiah was dumb because he wanted to purge the Layden roster so he just made a bunch of useless lateral moves, probably based more on race than anything else. He was like an over-sugared 12 year old playing with the ESPN Trade Machine on his dad’s phone.
I’m with you Donnie! 😉
It’s a shame what the Blazers are doing to Dame’s career, since trading CJ they’ve managed to get worse and worse, being our favorite trade (JHart for Cam and a pick on a bad draft) the last one of the series.
LOL, one of the best definitions of the Isiah era that i’ve seen. At first i was with him, because we needed to make some changes, but after some moves i was like “hey, hold your horses, we should let our players at least try to know each other before bringing new faces”. 😀