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Big game tonight! This is one of the 3 games on the schedule against a team with a better record. (Sacramento and Cleveland are the other two). It’s an away game. If the Knicks lose it was “expected” and should mean nothing.
Why does it feel like tonight matters?
Brogdon wants to lose that 6MOTY title. Can’t take the heat!!!
I honestly didn’t know that the Bucks had won 16 in a row. I’m ecstatic about an 8-game winning streak and the Bucks had a winning streak double that. That is insane.
Remember last playoffs, when we were all watching the Bucks play and thinking, “Fuck, if these guys just had Middleton, they would be unbeatable.” Then they got Middleton back and…well…you know.
Doc continues to be the shittiest coach, but his players are too talented to lose all of the time.
No Time Lord means that Mitch better be beating the shit out of the Celtics’ centers tonight!!
Good NBA schedule today:
PHO at DAL and LAL at GS to lead us to our game in Boston.
“Remember last playoffs, when we were all watching the Bucks play and thinking, “Fuck, if these guys just had Middleton, they would be unbeatable.” Then they got Middleton back and…well…you know.”
Brian, Middleton has actually been pretty bad this year, doesn’t seem like he’s fully healthy. Somehow Giannis has elevated his game even further and unfortunately Grayson Allen is pretty damn good.
But they probably can’t get by Boston without a fully healthy Middleton.
“Good NBA schedule today:
Pho at DAL and LAL at GS to lead us to our game in Boston.”
NBA March Madness. I don’t know how intentional this is, but the stretch run after the all-star break is shaping up to be super exciting.
I think I t’s fair to conclude that both the play-in and odds flattening have made a huge difference in the quality of competition down the stretch.
To me it matters only if we win (barring an unexpected 30-points disaster), because it’ll be another evidence that we can go toe to toe with the best teams.
A “normal loss” would fall into the “expected” category.
All the objections made after the Miami game are true:
our offense is too iso-oriented, Randle’s taking difficult shots and they’re all going in, opposing teams will double and trap JB to death, we’re already probably playing at our highest gear*, the playoffs will be a different things and so on…
But winning games and being “one of the surprises” is really fun, so I won’t complain… not too much 🙂
Some of our players are playing their best basketball, but at least two members of the foreseeable playoff rotation aren’t (RJ and Obi).
So maybe we’re already playing at 90% of our potential but there’s still a tiny little something to reach….
“Some of our players are playing their best basketball, but at least two members of the foreseeable playoff rotation aren’t (RJ and Obi).
So maybe we’re already playing at 90% of our potential but here’s still a tiny little something to reach….”
Honestly, when your oldest rotation player is 28 and 6 of them Obi’s age (he just turned 25 yesterday!) or younger, you never know where improvement can come from or how much it can be. There’s only three players I would say are in their 90+%ile outcome: Randle, Brunson and Hart.
Of course, players could fall off as well. Maybe IQ isn’t really this good. Maybe defenses make an adjustment that sets Mitch back. Maybe Grimes gets exposed like Landry Fields did in the playoffs.
But the most likely outcome is that the players play the way they are playing and that there’s the typical shooting volatility come playoff time. There’s nothing that seem “smoke and mirrors”-ish about what we are doing right now.
Proper scheming on doubles and secondary scorers hitting shots is necessary to maintain excellence and is a path toward improvement. Max, as you noted this leads directly to Barrett and Obi, but also to Grimes, IQ and Hart. If a big doubles high, they (Brunson/Randall) need to find Robinson under the basket. As an aside, I don’t think teams will continue to underestimate and be surprised by the Knicks, so it’s going to get tougher.
“Big game tonight! This is one of the 3 games on the schedule against a team with a better record. (Sacramento and Cleveland are the other two). It’s an away game. If the Knicks lose it was “expected” and should mean nothing.
Why does it feel like tonight matters?”
I was at the first Celtics game at MSG back on Nov 5 when they went 27-51 and remember thinking “Man they are just SOOOOO much better than us. My friend and I left thinking “Well at least we kept it competitive for most of the game.”
The vibe now is totally different. We are at the point where we shouldn’t concede a loss to anyone, anywhere. Specifically, in that game, Mitch was out, Reddish and Fournier were still in the rotation, and we didn’t have JHart. This is simply not the same team.
Obviously if you had to predict losses after the all-star break, this game would be at the very top of the list. They are still formidable, but I’m not expecting shit. Not any more.
I think if we win tonight it says more about the Celtics than us. A team with their record should be able to make adjustments after getting spanked 6 days ago, especially with Brown back and Tatum unlikely to be tossed. For us to win, I think it would need a special night from someone other than Brunson, Julius, or IQ so that most likely means RJ, and that would be great but still unlikely to be consistently replicated.
Of course I would love a win against Boston any time, but it seems less vital than any of the other games we played post AS break.
“I don’t think teams will continue to underestimate and be surprised by the Knicks, so it’s going to get tougher.”
There may still be some of that, but I think that time of being underestimated passed already. Everyone saw how we overachieved going into the all-star break without our starting C.
Miami really wanted that game last night. You could tell in the postgame that they were devastated by the loss. They came out last night and demolished the Hawks, who definitely wanted THAT game.
What I’m saying is that none of the wins in this streak are because our opponents have been underestimating us. However, there might be some adjustments coming because a) lots of teams haven’t played us when we both teams are at full strength with a set rotation, and b) Hart is a significant addition that might not have been fully game-planned for.
Z–Man, I agree with you that the wins on the streak are not “because” teams are underestimating us, but I do think it’s a factor, particularly going forward.
While I feel our offense is formidable and sustainable, it is hard for me to imagine that when all teams are at full strength and in playoff mode that we have a top-4 offense in the NBA. Top-10 for sure, but top 4??Something about it just doesn’t pass the smell test. Does anyone really believe that come playoff time our offense will be better than the Bucks? The Suns? The Mavs? The Warriors? The Sixers?
“I think if we win tonight it says more about the Celtics than us. A team with their record should be able to make adjustments after getting spanked 6 days ago, especially with Brown back and Tatum unlikely to be tossed.”
That’s fair. In fact, the CelticsBlog posters have been lamenting Jayson Tatum’s shooting inconsistency, especially since coming out of the break. He went 1-9 from 3 against us and 0-7 in a ghastly loss to the Nets.
One thing’s for sure. They know they have their hands full with us tonight, especially without RWIII and a gimpy Brogdan.
If we win tonight I’ll have no choice but to start doing the 50-wins math…
I know it’s not exactly flying under the radar, but is everyone aware of just how good Quickley has been for well over half the season now?
Over his last 34 games, which I’ve chosen for no reason other than to flatter Quick to the maximum extent possible, he’s averaging 16/4/3 with 49/40/80 shooting splits (.622 TS%). This is all while having arguably the toughest non-Mitch defensive job on the team, and performing it exceptionally well.
If RJ was playing as well as Quickley I would say he was a perfectly fine return on the 3rd overall pick. It’s amazing how well-rounded he’s been compared to his reputation in college, which was that of a microwave shooter and little else.
Yeah, TNFH, I love what Quick brings to this team; I get pumped every time he comes into a game. He puts a ton of pressure on the defense with his forays into the paint and on the defensive end he’s a pest a la Patrick Beverly (prime Beverly that is)
(And it doesn’t hurt either that he’s been lights out from 3 point range during the winning streak)
Since the lineup change the Knicks are 3rd in the league in offensive rating and 7th in defensive rating. They’re 28-14 in that span, which is a 54-win pace.
Brunson’s questionable for tonight’s game with a sore LEFT foot
(remember, he rolled his RIGHT ankle against the Heat)…
I’m okay with him not playing tonight considering how battered and bruised he’s in every game…
Start IQ and recall Evian from Siberia for another one night stand…
“It’s amazing how well-rounded he’s been compared to his reputation in college, which was that of a microwave shooter and little else.”
While this is generally true, various scouting reports touted aspects of his defense, rebounding, and playmaking. The most glaring concerns were with his size/strength compared to NBA 2-guards and his inability to get to the rim.
Here’s some selected edits from Draft Exress:
“Shows smooth athleticism, with long-striding speed and good body control … Possesses the length and quickness to be able to defend both guard spots and often showed he could be effective pressuring the ball in college … Has a good amount of big-game experience having played nearly 2 full seasons for a big-time program like Kentucky … Adequate rebounder for a guard …His 1-year improvement as an off-ball player speaks to his work ethic and buy-in… needs to add weight and strength, as he will struggle with the physical rigors of the NBA until he does”
From Kevin O’Connor:
“Undersized, but has a 6-foot-10 wingspan that made him into an elite defender in college; in the NBA, he projects as a plus defender, at minimum.”
I remember posting a synergy-based analysis touting his defense and aspects of his offense that turned out to be balls-on accurate in retrospect. Small samples can still tell you a lot if you view them with appropriate caution.
Drafting Quickley was a bet on improvement in other areas to be sure….I doubt that the Knicks draft analysis team overlooked these hidden gifts when evaluating him and saw him as just a microwave scorer with a bit of playmaking. Same with Grimes. There was evidence that they outwork their peers in trying to unlock their upside.
And that seems to be a somewhat of a common thread in what the Knicks look for….guys that made massive improvement from freshman to their draft year…or even from being drafted late to where they are now (see: Brunson, Hart, iHart.) Doesn’t make them savants or anything, and mistakes have been made for sure (see: RJ extension) but they do seem to be pretty good at recognizing the value pocket of players who are more likely to reach their upside than not and can be had on the relative cheap.
BTW this is not to pat the FO on the back too hard. The correct pick at #25 in that draft was clearly Desmond Bane, and I (and many others) said it on draft night. Quickley had turned out to be a great pick, but he’s not Desmond Bane…not yet, anyway. But the gap has narrowed significantly for sure.
re: Bane vs. IQ, I think an interesting question to ask is: who will be a better value proposition on his NEXT contract. In other words, is there a significant chance that Bane will get overpaid for who he is, and that IQ will get underpaid?
Great game to rest Brunson imo. It’s probably a loss anyway, but if we somehow beat them without him, it would be doubly humiliating for those green bastards.
If Brunson is hurting at all, I agree with resting him. He will of course say, “I wanna play,” so this is a nice test of Thibs. Has he learned long term strategy?
E4 does enjoy playing the Celtics 😉
Of course if Brunson really is 100% by game time,tonight is a wonderful “playoff” type test.
If Brunson doesn’t play, my money is on IQ to play big minutes and Deuce to fill the slack. I’d love to see Fournier too but it just doesn’t seem to be in the cards unless one of RJ, Grimes or Hart is out.
Anyway, I think Brunson will play. In some ways, I’d be more worried if he doesn’t play…as it might indicate that the injury is more serious.
I think it’s fair to question whether the Knicks’ iso-heavy offense will work well in the playoffs. But this is a good piece about why it has worked so well in the regular season:
Iso isn’t bad “per se”, only if the other players stagnated too much and/or you’re not quick enough to exploit double teams (or you’re so focused on getting your shot than you don’t even look at open players).
Hunting for missmatches is a good way to train for the playoffs, where you usually go for the weaker link on defense…
So everything’s good in Knicks-Land. 😀
It’s amazing when you read an article like that how much “science ” goes into the game planning…but we still don’t have one good inbounds play in our arsenal…doh!
Good article, thanks JK. It kind of explains the confidence and sense of purpose you see in so many of the Knicks’ positions. They actually do have a plan, and good enough ISO scorers to execute it in most games.
KD’s lethality seems to be at an all time high. Booker not far behind.
there are so many centers with a fraction of the talent of deandre ayton who would be more useful to this team than he is
Mavs defense is unbelievably bad they’re gonna get smoked in the playoffs unless Kyrie and Luka put up 80 every game.
Luka misses a bunny to tie and it looks like our pick is gonna get a little better
That’s for sharing JK. It’s good to see the “film” back in Knicks Film School.
Every Dallas’ loss is a Knicks’ win, yeah.
Maybe KD is a strange dude, but on a basketball court he’s a pleasure to watch…
the luka book fight looked suspiciously like a dancing with the stars trailer
I’m a big fan of Vanderbilt. He’d be a great Knick.
I’m a big fan of Vanderbilt. He’d be a great Knick.
Booker and Doncic definitely going into the fake tough guy hall of fame.
Lot of teams in need of asset rationalization.
“Since the lineup change the Knicks are 3rd in the league in offensive rating and 7th in defensive rating. They’re 28-14 in that span, which is a 54-win pace.”
The more I look around the league, the more optimistic I am getting.
Mentally, I was getting used to those super teams, but they really don’t exist right now.
There are plenty of teams with a better 1-2 punch, but the gap is not as large as many of us thought at the start of the season (myself included). Among those teams, I think we are deeper than most of them which closes the gap further. Maybe the depth won’t count as much in the playoffs when other team shorten their rotations, but we’ll still be better in that area. If we could get a 3rd guy to really step up (ahem RJ) or Thibs will reduce his minutes further and play Quick and Hart more, we are not far off from the best teams in this league right now. I’m very optimistic for next year assuming they make one more move.
Tonight is going to be tough. I’m hoping for the best, but I think we are about due for a bit of stinker and Boston is going to be looking for blood.
“I’m a big fan of Vanderbilt. He’d be a great Knick.”
You can see why Thibs and Rose were interested.
JV is good but give me JHart and I’m more than good!
These are the kinds of games that true contenders make competitive.
Brogdon and Time Lord both officially ruled out.
Lakers are either going to miss the playoffs or win the title.
AD is so good when he is healthy. Always loved him
Jalen Brunson is out tonight, Knicks say. Sore left foot
Now this has the ambiance of a “We have nothing to lose so we can play loose” game. Don’t be shocked if we win.
Jalen Brunson is out tonight, Knicks say. Sore left foot”
In the old days this meant plantar fasciitis and he’s out least a month.
SGA apparently will have his minutes managed the rest of the way due to an “abdominal strain.”
Mikal is 9-9 so far…wtf?
Please no plantar fasciitis. Who gets the start? Either way, IQ has an opportunity to shine. Should be a good game.