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  • Mavs vs. Knicks Preview: Dallas Seeks 4-Game Win Streak; Jalen Brunson Questionable – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Tuesday, December 27, 2022 7:00:00 AM

    Mavs vs. Knicks Preview: Dallas Seeks 4-Game Win Streak; Jalen Brunson Questionable  Sports Illustrated

  • New York Knicks: 5 bold predictions for the 2023 calendar year – Sir Charles in Charge
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    New York Knicks: 5 bold predictions for the 2023 calendar year  Sir Charles in Charge

  • Knicks vs Mavericks: NBA 2022-23: Post-Christmas match preview, head-to-head record, live streaming info – Sportstar
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    Knicks vs Mavericks: NBA 2022-23: Post-Christmas match preview, head-to-head record, live streaming info  Sportstar

  • Knicks hope going on road gets them right after home struggles – New York Post
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    Knicks hope going on road gets them right after home struggles  New York Post

  • Knicks, Mavericks going in opposite directions for meeting – CBS Sports
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    Knicks, Mavericks going in opposite directions for meeting  CBS Sports

  • Tuesday’s TV/Radio listings (Dec. 27) – The Dallas Morning News
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    Tuesday’s TV/Radio listings (Dec. 27)  The Dallas Morning News

  • Knicks’ Jalen Brunson still dealing with injury ahead of return to Dallas – New York Post
    [news.google.com] — Monday, December 26, 2022 7:20:00 PM

    Knicks’ Jalen Brunson still dealing with injury ahead of return to Dallas  New York Post

  • Knicks’ Obi Toppin: Still out – CBS Sports
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    Knicks’ Obi Toppin: Still out  CBS Sports

  • NBA Insider Reveals New York Knicks Targeted Tobias Harris In A Trade – Yardbarker
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    NBA Insider Reveals New York Knicks Targeted Tobias Harris In A Trade  Yardbarker

  • 76ers Sign NBA G League Standout After Win vs. Knicks – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Monday, December 26, 2022 2:31:58 PM

    76ers Sign NBA G League Standout After Win vs. Knicks  Sports Illustrated

  • Knicks reportedly have internal discussions about Tobias Harris trade – NBC Sports
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    Knicks reportedly have internal discussions about Tobias Harris trade  NBC Sports

  • 76ers vs. Knicks: 3 Things That Stood Out on Christmas – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Monday, December 26, 2022 12:37:27 PM

    76ers vs. Knicks: 3 Things That Stood Out on Christmas  Sports Illustrated

  • Knicks Have ‘Internally’ Discussed Trading For Philadelphia Christmas Guest – Sports Illustrated
    [news.google.com] — Monday, December 26, 2022 12:20:07 PM

    Knicks Have ‘Internally’ Discussed Trading For Philadelphia Christmas Guest  Sports Illustrated

  • 5 potential Knicks trade targets ahead of the 2023 deadline – Yahoo Sports
    [news.google.com] — Monday, December 26, 2022 10:19:52 AM

    5 potential Knicks trade targets ahead of the 2023 deadline  Yahoo Sports

  • Julius Randle continues hot streak but Knicks trend in opposite direction – Empire Sports Media
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    Julius Randle continues hot streak but Knicks trend in opposite direction  Empire Sports Media

  • Pete Davidson, sister Casey Davidson spotted courtside at New York Knicks game on Christmas Day – SILive.com
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    Pete Davidson, sister Casey Davidson spotted courtside at New York Knicks game on Christmas Day  SILive.com

  • NBA Trade Rumors: New York Knicks have explored acquiring Tobias Harris – Sir Charles in Charge
    [news.google.com] — Monday, December 26, 2022 8:51:00 AM

    NBA Trade Rumors: New York Knicks have explored acquiring Tobias Harris  Sir Charles in Charge

  • Kemba Walker on why his Knicks tenure was ‘everything I dreamed of’ – Bally Sports
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    Kemba Walker on why his Knicks tenure was ‘everything I dreamed of’  Bally Sports

  • Merry Christmas Jets! Plus: Knicks Second-Half Collapse and Giants Fight Hard in Minnesota. – The Ringer
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    Merry Christmas Jets! Plus: Knicks Second-Half Collapse and Giants Fight Hard in Minnesota.  The Ringer

  • 3 obvious reasons the Knicks shouldn’t trade for Kyle Kuzma – Daily Knicks
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    3 obvious reasons the Knicks shouldn’t trade for Kyle Kuzma  Daily Knicks

  • 59 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2022.12.27)”

    I’m really starting to think we should move RJ (or Randle, but Randle has been good this year) for OG Anunoby.

    Didn’t catch the game but seems like we could really use a rangy defender to put on these bigger wings. Grimes is better against PGs than big wings.

    Three game losing streak feels bad because we let all 3 slip through our fingers… several times quite literally.

    This idea hurts to think about, but what about moving Mitch to LA for Pat Bev and either Bryant or Jones? We need to create more spacing, and both Randle and RJ are getting hot(Sunday’s shooting From RJ aside) so the team might not want to move either guy. The way I see it, if a move like that were to be made, we have options. If the C coming back is Jones, then we can insert Hartenstein in the starting 5, and make Sims the backup with Obi on his way back. Or if Bryant is the one coming back, we can start either him or Hartenstein and have more spacing. But boy- would our starting 5 defense suffer without Mitch. Apart from that, we are seeing Mitch mature and it’s hard to accept moving him. Of course, this is all a moot point if there’s an acceptable move for Randle or RJ out there- one that makes the team better.

    Been off the blog for a bit because of the holidays but I’m always reading.

    This three game losing streak hurts bc all 3 games felt very winnable and the Chicago one especially we totally gave away. So I’m trying to keep things in perspective. We could easily be at 11 games and counting right now with our win streak but losses are good sometimes to remind a team they still got a lot of work to do.

    One thing I’m noticing. Yes, our bench scoring is hurting a lot right now but also Thibs is slowly reverting to relying so heavily on the starters and not letting the bench play through their rough stretches. When we started the win streak, McBride was getting more minutes and they’ve slowly crept down during this losing streak. It’s like Thibs can’t help himself but he’s gotta let McBride just be cold sometimes cause Brunson HAS to get rest.

    Other than that, I’m not TOO worried. I think we can get back on track. But I think this team is definitely topping out at 46 to 48 wins if all things go right the rest of the season, which is a huge improvement, but we’re also most likely a first round exit.

    The fact is we got some good players. And Brunson/Randle are both right below consistent all-star level with RJ being a level below that. But when we face Harden and Embiid or other top 20 players, if they’re playing well, we’re probably losing.

    And that’s the rub. How are we getting one of those guys, who would it be and how do we get them without giving up too much of our current rotation. No doubt if you swapped Randle for Giannis or RJ for prime/healthy Kawhi or Lebron, I think we would be instant contenders. But we don’t have one of those dudes.

    So we gotta be patient. We gotta hope the young players, especially RJ, can get better. Hopefully Leon won’t keep punting picks and will keep hitting on good players in the draft. Hopefully that Dallas pick conveys right at 11. Hopefully we can find a trade to get rid of Fournier.

    Short term, I do think we should look to shore up the bench with a consistent scorer. If we can make a trade like that, similar to the D Rose trade a few years ago, I think that would be wise. Our starting unit is actually pretty good right now and the team defense is way better. But the bench, especially if IQ is having an off night, cannot score and this is a problem.

    Also, just want to say in the spirit of the holidays how grateful I am for this blog and the people who comment on it.

    Next year, you may not see me comment quite as much. So if that coincides with us losing don’t think I’m running away LOL.

    One of my New Year’s resolutions is to be more present in the real world and to free up more time for myself for reading, writing and spending time with my family. I’m probably not as bad as a lot of people but I scroll and waste time on my phone on social media a lot. I actually think this blog is a relatively healthy outlet for that time wasting stuff but I’m going to do my best to cut down on this some. So I may not comment quite as much or read quite as much going forward. I’m finding at the end of the day I’ll spend an hour of my time reading this blog or posting and toasting or being on social media when I really should us that time to unwind, read a book and do some journaling. I’m 45 and I’m trying my best to not settle into the second half of my life and just accept that this is it, but reinvigorate myself with new learning, reading and writing and a refocus on those who are closet to me.

    We’ll see how it goes, but I just wanted to give you all a heads up in case I disappear for stretches at a time.

    swifty, hope you are just bluffing, we “hope springs eternal” types need you!

    Nothing that happened these past 2 weeks should be particularly surprising. We are an undersized lunchpail team with glaring weaknesses. We are now at the point in the season where teams are settling in and reckoning with their own realities. Philly is much better than us and a legit title contender with two MVP-level players and a strong supporting cast (and Maxey didn’t play so we lost even though the ITH was still at it.) In other words, if you went back to the original DAL game and said we would go 7-3 in the next 10 I would have been fine with that.

    The fivesome of Brunson, RJ, Grimes, IQ and Deuce is going to hurt us vs. teams with lengthy scoring wings like Harden, Siakam and DeRozan. Now that there’s ample film from our winning streak after the rotation change out there, we are being exposed in that regard. I don’t think DAL has the same formula as the 3 teams we just faced, so it would be disappointing if we lost in the same fashion, but not necessarily surprising.

    Still, I don’t think it’s a problem that we have to solve right now. Let’s see what happens between now and the trade deadline. Beyond that, I’d be fine rolling with whatever we have for the rest of the season.

    Thibs needs to allow Hartenstein to open up his game. iHart put on an absolute clinic in garbage time of the last win, makes me think Thibs isn’t letting him do it during competitive minutes. The 2nd unit is so bad on offense, no idea why he didn’t allow it.

    Discounting the overtime game in Chicago, the win streak had the team giving up an average of 95 points per game. That’s seven straight games, with five being under 100, and a high of 106. During their three-game losing streak, the team has been giving up an average of 117. With a low of 113.

    Not sure you have to dig into the weeds much beyond that. The teams we beat weren’t all the cream of the NBA, but they weren’t all cream puffs either. We stifled them.

    For some reason that stopped, and surprise! We lost.

    Our offense will sadly always be wonky with these lineups of goofballs and streaky shooters. But if we hold teams to under 100, we’ll usually win. Over 110, not so much.

    So the question is, what’s changed with our D?

    A question we should be grappling with is how much future equity are we willing to sacrifice to improve the 2022-2023 team?

    I ask this because I don’t get the sense a trade that materially impacts our future for the better will be available. All the stars seem more or less satisfied (for now) and teams don’t go around trading young, promising players without a damn good reason. If a younger player is available it’s for a reason, and it’s probably a reason we don’t want to deal with. I don’t think Kyle Kuzma and Kelly Oubre have a lot of fans either in the front office or on this board.

    So any trade we make will probably be along the lines of replacing one or more of Rose/Fournier/Reddish with guys who will actually play some basketball for us this year, but whose future with the team is murky due to age or contract status.

    What would you trade for Eric Gordon? If someone like that takes minutes from Deuce and/or Quickley in the name of maximizing 2022-2023 wins, how okay with that are you?

    I’m not sure how we improve this year if we only move Fournier/Rose/Cam.

    We’re pretty solid 1-9, so we’d need a player we’ll above average for it to make a difference.

    Maybe Kuzma plays the 3 just to add some extra scoring punch in a 10-man rotation? What’d we need to give up for him? I’m not enthused by Kuz regardless of compensation.

    “So the question is, what’s changed with our D?”

    During the streak opponents shot 28.5% from 3. You don’t need to believe opponent 3PT shooting is largely random to realize that was never gonna last.

    Over the last 3 games they’ve shot 39.4% (H/T Macri’s newsletter). That probably won’t last either.

    Generally I think our defense is pretty solid. A different coach might change some things schematically but we have legitimately good defensive personnel. We’ll probably finish in the top-12 or so.

    But being vulnerable to big wing types is a pretty fatal flaw, because the good teams have those guys.

    While I *love* our young guys, stepping back from that, there’s only three kinds of trades I’d do by the deadline:

    1) Trading any/all of the banished trio for anything or nothing, but not with anything of note attached.

    2) Trading Fournier for an equally bad contract if if brings back draft equity

    3) Packaging any 2-3 of our young players and a pick or two for a legit core piece who shakes loose from a team who “gives up” as a playoff team. Kuzma, LaVine and Oubre do not qualify. OG does.

    Noble, I get bad three-point shooting being something of an unsustainable anomaly.

    Yet your own Macri said this, four games into the win streak:

    ‘But more telling than the improved record is the newfound identity that is behind it. Now, for around half of every game, two of Immanuel Quickley, Quentin Grimes and Deuce McBride are on the court together, and for about 10 of those minutes every night, all three are on the court at the same time. Watching them unleash hell on some poor opponent has become the pinnacle of any in-game experience.’

    And this:

    ‘You wanna laugh? Deuce and Grimes have shared the court for just over 73 minutes this season, or a little more than a game and a half’s worth of time. In those 73 minutes, they’ve given up 126 total points, good for a 79.7 defensive rating. The Knicks have given up more than 126 points in a single game five times.’

    Interestingly, Miles ‘Deuce’ McBride averaged over 18 minutes a game during our win streak. He’s under 10 per game during our losing streak.

    I mean, he’s no Frank, but…

    The list of players I’d trade Mitch for right now is pretty short. He’s been incredible this year.

    I keep hearing Eric Gordon. What’s the difference between Gordon and Fournier? Who’s minutes do they take?

    I’m not upset about the losses to Toronto and Philadelphia.

    IMO Toronto is very similar to us and on that night Siakam was great and they did a good job of taking Brunson out of the game. So we lost.

    The 76ers are just better than us.

    The Bulls loss was terrible because we are better than the version of them without Ball and we simply choked the game away. That one hurt.

    As to what we should do going forward I haven’t changed my mind about anything. I don’t put much weight on these streaks because they don’t change the underlying reality. They just sometimes change our perceptions of that reality. My estimate of the team is the same now as it was before the 8 gaming winning stream and it’s still the same now after the 3 game losing streak.

    We need a #1 option and better spacing. It would be nice to get both in the same player.

    I don’t think we should make any trades other than perhaps Fournier, Cam, and/or Rose. They are out of the rotation. Fournier and Rose are older and even tough I’d be happy to keep Cam and develop him further, if Thibs doesn’t like him or he wants out, we might as well move him.

    If it’s not one of those 3, I don’t think we should make any move unless:

    1. It improves the team both short and long term.

    2. It improves our chances of landing a #1 option over the next couple of years while we keep developing what we have.

    One other comment.

    Given the comments about our length now, imagine if we added Mitchell. That was one of the reasons I was against that trade. We were going to be too small. Mitchell would make us even smaller.

    Well one difference is Gordon can actually play defense (although Fournier is a better shooter). But Gordon’s 6’3″. The one thing we have a bunch of is decent little wings (IQ, Grimes, Deuce). I know Gordon plays some small forward, but we don’t really need a tiny small forward. We need a long Cam Reddish type but who can actually play basketball.

    To my mind Gordon moves the needle down, not up.

    There is literally no logical reason to acquire Eric Gordon. Just let IQ do everything Gordon would do and let the chips fall where they may.

    Mitch has the highest overall on/off on the team, we’re 11.4 PTS/100 worse with him off the floor. He might add the most value relative to his salary on the team. We pretty much just shouldn’t trade him, period.

    Re: the other Mitchell, I don’t know what Utah would’ve accepted but had we traded RJ, Quickley, and a pick package for him we’d probably be hosting a playoff series.

    BTW I happen to agree that playing Cam and Fournier situationally would probably help win games *right now.* When a guy like Harden or DeRozan gets going, having a legit 3pt assassin on the floor helps to counteract it. Grimes and IQ simply don’t offer that at this point, they are much too streaky.

    But since they shouldn’t be all that consumed with winning *at all costs*, I’m fine with not playing them. They are clearly not part of the future. Better to find out whether IQ and Grimes can offer consistency with more reps.

    Utah didn’t accept the Knicks package for Spida because none of the guys on offer were close to as good as Markaten.

    It’s “Markkanen.” Two “K”s, and then another “N” instead of a “T.” There is not now, nor has there ever been, a “T” in his name. Why do we insist on butchering this guy’s name so badly, and so consistently? It’s bordering on strange, and almost seems purposeful at this point.

    “Markaten” is an homage to Clyde, who is known to mispronounce a name from time to time in endearing fashion.

    “Mitch has the highest overall on/off on the team, we’re 11.4 PTS/100 worse with him off the floor. He might add the most value relative to his salary on the team. We pretty much just shouldn’t trade him, period.”

    I would be fine with trading Mitch for an impactful guard or wing player. As good as he is at what he does, he’s still very limited in some significant ways.

    The problem is that you couldn’t possibly get the return for Mitch on his own that would justify trading him. Seriously, what is the market for him? How many teams would he start for? Would anyone give you more than a heavily protected first?

    So unless you package him with someone else in a blockbuster for a star, you might as well keep him.

    Then we should just let Clyde have it as his own. None of us could ever be Clyde. 🙂

    If we are serious about winning more games, one guy I would consider trading for is Jae Crowder, assuming you can prove that he is healthy, in shape, and not washed up. Not sure how you’d make it work with Fournier, but he’s sort of what we need.

    Any news on Obi? He should back soon and can add some scoring punch off the bench. He could be that big wing we need, if given the chance. I don’t think they could do much better than Oubre or Kuzma in a trade. I love OG, but he’s going to cost an arm and a leg. Masai would love to fleece us again. Most likely we’re going to have to role with what we have until the offseason. We should have a set rotation of maybe 8 and use the rest of the bench situationally. There should be a happy medium between regular rotation minutes and total banishment.

    “Re: the other Mitchell, I don’t know what Utah would’ve accepted but had we traded RJ, Quickley, and a pick package for him we’d probably be hosting a playoff series.”

    I agree. But whoever we were playing would be putting Brunson, Mitchell, and whoever else had a mismatch into rotating P&Rs and scoring 120-130 points every night.

    It would have been the ultimate win now move that would emptied our gun for trades, development, and draft luck. We’d be left with a high octane offense, but not as high as the best offenses in the league, a terrible defense, and no way to get better.

    That’s why I was against it. I’d rather try to build a high level defense first and search for the right #1 option even if there’s risk in it and it might take a couple of years.

    “Most likely we’re going to have to role with what we have until the offseason.”

    I don’t think that’s such a bad thing.

    If things stay the same Randle and RJ may restore their trade value along without other young players, we’ll still have a few excess picks, we’ll still have all our own first rounders, we’ll have two 1st round picks in this draft to potentially move up or take two shots at getting lucky. That’s a lot of way to get better.

    So the question is, what’s changed with our D?

    Nothing changed.

    But our opponents shot 45% from 3 instead of 20%.

    A question we should be grappling with is how much future equity are we willing to sacrifice to improve the 2022-2023 team?

    Little to none. If there is another Derrick Rose type trade available for a 2nd, fine. But I’m more inclined to sacrifice this team for future equity than vice versa. Just let these guys roll. It’s house money.

    I think the only sort of trade that materially improves us this year without sacrificing the future is Fournier + Cam to Phoenix for Crowder and Saric. Saric is getting no time and is basically salary fodder–Crowder is the real asset, in that he’s a guy who can credibly shoot the 3 and guard multiple positions, and I expect teams will be very interested in him. That said, he’s expiring and currently sitting out the Suns season because of a contract dispute, so maybe he could be had for little value (say, one first)–though also I’m not sure how this impacts the Cam Johnson extension talks, which are pretty essential for Phoenix to work through.

    Perhaps we can do a sign and trade with the freed up cap, though I’m not exactly sure what the sign and trade rules are. But he’s the best realistic option I can think of this side of trading a bunch of stuff for OG (which I don’t think will happen.)

    How about backing up the asset truck for Scoot come draft time? Kind of started that idea with Ivey in last year’s draft.

    Realistically, to get out of purgatory they’re going to have to take a swing.

    Team that gets the 2 probably won’t do it, but I’d give it a try.

    But I’m more inclined to sacrifice this team for future equity than vice versa.

    *************************

    There’s nothing about this team that warrants sacrificing a crypto coin in future equity.

    These last 3 games were good indicator games…two teams trying to shake off a malaise and one legit contender missing its starting PG but still formidable.

    Clearly we don’t belong anywhere near the “contender” discussion. The only thing left to ascertain is what side of the “middle of the pack” we are on. My guess is that we are smack in the middle. Any of those teams can beat us when their best players go off or some role player has a career night or they just don’t miss from 3, and we can beat any of them the same way. The CHI and TOR games showed that, and tonight’s game is another example.

    Since there’s nothing we can do to change that, we can either stay put or make a move that moves us more towards the top of the middle group. I’d prefer the former because we would probably wind up with a better draft slot.

    Let’s face it, a Big 3 of Randle, RJ and Brunson doesn’t scare anyone. Unless Grimes or IQ go into turbodrive, this is pretty much it. Bringing in a merc like Crowder or Gordon or Kuzma just muddles things.

    Yeah, since last season made it clear that Rose was all about being competitive over all else, at least he made the moves I thought could get the Knicks to “middle of the pack” this year (clear out cap space for Brunson and re-sign Mitch). It’s not a great place to be in long term, but just from a fan perspective, I’d much rather root for a team that doesn’t have a good lottery pick but at least plays playoff games versus a team that doesn’t have a good lottery pick but doesn’t even play in the play-in game (while actively trying to get there). The Knicks look just good enough to have two cracks at making the playoffs (as either the #7 or #8 seed in the play-in games).

    There’s no real notable difference between being the #11 pick and the #15 pick (yes, you’d always prefer to be picking #11 to #15, but it’s not like #2 versus #6). Neither is a great place to be drafting, but in one, you get playoff games, at least. I’d like them to get to the top five, but since that’s never happening, I’d just as soon have the #15 and the playoff games.

    I agree with Brian, after adding Brunson there’s no real option other than trying to improve the roster little by little, while keeping the parts that can bring some upside here and there. If Randle keeps playing well there’s no point trading him for the packages that will be available, and the young guys are not valuable enough to be able to swing a big time trade our way.

    I do want to see the Fournier situation solved, because I honestly think there are possible deals that can be made where we pick up another, better fitting, veteran for him and maybe a second or something like that. By the trade deadline it should be clearer who is a playoff contender and who is not, and Fournier still has potential value for a team that needs shooting off the bench and won’t care much about his defense.

    Put me down for preferring 15 and playoffs over 11, too — but they had 11 last year and fell flat on their faces with it.

    Reads like, whether or not that’s the terminology actually used, pretty much everyone is on “Team Pessimism” now.

    (And it’s still pretty easy to get to the middle of the pack, since few if any teams actually want to get and/or be there.)

    E, I think it’s more the ‘Acceptance’ stage. Although some are clearly still stuck in ‘Bargaining.’

    The trade this team needs to make is RJ, Obi, and all the picks we have for one legit superstar. And he has to be big. Leon’s whole tenure is banking on one of those guys becoming available while RJ & Obi have peak trade value.

    E,

    If so few teams want to be average then why is like half the league this season a few games over or a few games under 500?

    Put me down for preferring 15 and playoffs over 11, too — but they had 11 last year and fell flat on their faces with it.

    Oh yeah, I hated dealing the #13 pick. #11 made some sense if it could be replaced with #13, but getting out of the lottery period was not a good plan.

    But at least Rose looked at the team and realized that it could not realistically get a home game in the play-in with the 2021-22 roster, and blew things up to get the guy, Brunson, who likely could get them to a home game in the play-in. It’s not where I’d like them to be, but it’s better than trying to run the 2021-22 back, just without Mitch, which I feared he was considering for a while. In other words, in terms of positions I’d prefer the Knicks to be in, this is better than the likely alternative.

    But yes, I’d totally be down for a guy who wanted to come here and blow it all up and start over.

    I am in the part of the Venn diagram where we keep Mitch and don’t get Eric Gordon.

    Eric Gordon though has always been high in the list of future Knicks. So perhaps it’s inevitable.

    The optimism/pessimism thing is hardly about this year at all. It’s about the future.

    Speaking of which, since we’re getting towards the mid-season, it’s about time we put any talk of Randle being an albatross on his contract in the trash bin. He’s playing at an all-star level, if not an all-NBA candidate. Every player ranked above him in BPM is on a max salary except Hali (soon!) and Markkanen.

    While the discussion of whether Randle can be one of a legit Big 3 is certainly open, at this time the answer is much closer to “yes” for him than it is for either Brunson or RJ. Brunson has been a great addition at a position of desperate need, but he has been breaking down physically and his play hasn’t been all that great lately. And the defense is still a concern, even more so now that he’s hobbled.

    Randle’s durability has to be considered in evaluating him. He is playing a very physically demanding style of basketball and never seems to slow down or miss games due to load management.

    He’s not an albatross now but he kinda was last year and he could be again next year.

    Peak Randle value is probably going to be on the third year of his current deal. Which is fine bc we’re kind of on a plateau for two seasons anyway. But at least it’s a nice plateau with lakes and trees and shit.

    “It’s bordering on strange, and almost seems purposeful at this point.”

    Get with the program, Dingdong Doggie Brow!

    My sense is that most folks use the word “albatross” to describe a contract that has almost no likelyhood of being traded for anything near neutral value, i.e. will never be movable without attaching assets, or in a deal for a better player. Amare. John Wall. Chandler Parsons. Eddy Curry. You might say Zach LaVine is flirting with being one due to his knee. It is probably the worst possible adjective you can attach to a player or contract, except maybe “cancer.”

    Referring to a healthy 27yo Randle who was one season removed from being all-NBA as an albatross even before his extension kicked in was never really appropriate. It was certainly a “worrisome” contract, kind of like RJ’s is right now. And similarly, it was always one that should have been viewed with patience, rather than dumped via sweetener at rock bottom value.

    I’m just glad we aren’t watching him play this way for another team after using significant draft capital to dump him. Not that I love his game all that much, or that I’d mind if we traded him in a neutral to positive deal, my only quibble is in terms of asset valuation and management.

    @ess-dog, who said: “Get with the program, Dingdong Doggie Brow!”

    Hey, Z–man got the name right when he posted at 7:00 p.m., so at least I know it’s possible. 🙂

    I brought up Gordon because we’ve been linked to him before and he’s theoretically a more stout defender than Fournier, though I won’t pretend I’ve done any Eric Gordon defensive scouting myself. He’s also strong enough to play the 3 even though he’s undersized for the position, so he’s at least wing adjacent.

    Apparently the Rockets have been holding out for a first for him, which I would never consider. I suppose it’s possible his market collapses though and they settle for a look at Cam Reddish.

    Wasn’t Grimes supposed to play the Eric Gordon role?

    It’s a dicta question because the idea of Eric Gordon is ridiculous and giving up a 1 for him insane, but still.

    Also, if the Sixers flame out in the playoffs I expect James Harden to at least pull the classic “use the Knicks for leverage” bit. If he’s actually serious about it, not sure Leon Rose would be able to resist.

    Shedding enough salary for his max would require a lot of moves, but it’s doable.

    I will almost certainly be against this if/when the rumor starts to take form. I am merely predicting we will hear about it.

    Harden isn’t taking a discount this time, so yes, he will use the Knicks for leverage before ultimately signing a contract with someone else.

    I don’t get it, how would Harden be able to use the Knicks as leverage as a free agent?

    The Knicks are not going after Harden. He doesn’t fit the culture.

    For the record, I’m out on anyone who had hung out with any of the Kardashians.

    ***There’s no real notable difference between being the #11 pick and the #15 pick (yes, you’d always prefer to be picking #11 to #15, but it’s not like #2 versus #6). Neither is a great place to be drafting, but in one, you get playoff games***

    With 11, though, you at least had the 2% possibility of moving up to the top pick. That slim chance at a best-case scenario may be better than the strong chance at a worst-case scenario (which is getting stomped in the first round and watching the lottery on tv.)

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