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Knicks Morning News (2022.09.25)

  • Inside look at the Knicks’ training camp roster – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Sunday, September 25, 2022 6:34:00 AM

    Inside look at the Knicks’ training camp roster  New York Post

  • On this day: Pierce narrowly survives stabbing; Fred Roberts trade; last win in Disney bubble – Celtics Wire
    [celticswire.usatoday.com] — Sunday, September 25, 2022 4:01:49 AM

    On this day: Pierce narrowly survives stabbing; Fred Roberts trade; last win in Disney bubble  Celtics Wire

  • Jalen Brunson not only intriguing Knicks question as season approaches – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Sunday, September 25, 2022 3:42:00 AM

    Jalen Brunson not only intriguing Knicks question as season approaches  New York Post

  • Julius Randle’s ability to play off ball the biggest Knicks question – New York Post
    [nypost.com] — Saturday, September 24, 2022 11:06:00 PM

    Julius Randle’s ability to play off ball the biggest Knicks question  New York Post

  • Is Russell Westbrook the Missing Piece to Knicks-Jazz Donovan Mitchell Trade? – Bleacher Report
    [bleacherreport.com] — Saturday, September 24, 2022 7:26:38 PM

    Is Russell Westbrook the Missing Piece to Knicks-Jazz Donovan Mitchell Trade?  Bleacher Report

  • Atlantic Notes: Barnes, Udoka, Celtics, Knicks, Williams, Nets – hoopsrumors.com
    [www.hoopsrumors.com] — Saturday, September 24, 2022 6:04:00 PM

    Atlantic Notes: Barnes, Udoka, Celtics, Knicks, Williams, Nets  hoopsrumors.com

  • Knicks Sophomore Quentin Grimes Prepares For Year Two (Video) – Sports Illustrated
    [www.si.com] — Saturday, September 24, 2022 4:41:17 PM

    Knicks Sophomore Quentin Grimes Prepares For Year Two (Video)  Sports Illustrated

  • 5 storylines to watch as Knicks open training camp – The Denver Post
    [www.denverpost.com] — Saturday, September 24, 2022 12:38:58 PM

    5 storylines to watch as Knicks open training camp  The Denver Post

  • 3 burning questions for Knicks entering 2022-23 NBA training camp – ClutchPoints
    [clutchpoints.com] — Saturday, September 24, 2022 11:11:09 AM

    3 burning questions for Knicks entering 2022-23 NBA training camp  ClutchPoints

  • 39 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2022.09.25)”

    Kobe getting lionized in the Redeem team documentary for committing a foul on Pau Gasol. Not sure how I feel about it.

    I mean, they should have won by 30.

    Kobe lionization in general makes me deeply uncomfortable. For similar reasons to why I’d rather have our current backup PG off the team.

    Honestly it’s not even all that stuff for me. I mean it is. But it also just seems like garbage machismo.

    I mean, it was a 2 point game with 8 minutes to go and then Dwyane Wade saved them. Not sure what Kobe had to do with it.

    sunday sunday sunday…fave day of the week since i was just a kid waking up to watch abbott and costello movies on channel 11, WPIX…

    I think that was the channel…

    it’s interesting, maybe a year or so ago, had a best friend from high school try to reach out…I just did not wish to connect…

    about a month ago a best friend from when I was in junior high reached out…let them know I had some health stuff, and was okay to text a bit, but would not be picking up the phone to answer…

    yesterday heard from someone who had been a “best friend” for some years around 15 years ago…

    let them know today, that I would try to reach out sometime this week…

    it’s weird, I feel a sense of gratitude for their friendship in the past, but little desire to move forward with any of them…

    I figure three kids, my mom, a dear semi-romantic friend and my own mind feel like a lot to commit to already…

    this week asked the therapist about “blocking out noise”…

    still got a lot to go through with the therapy stuff, but the whole outside world noise issue has been a thing for me for a long time…

    got the same answer I’ve pretty much been getting the whole therapy trip…no magic spell or incantation to suddenly make everything right…it’s all about change from within…re-wiring those neural pathways…

    queue hughie lewis and I want a new drug

    I figure three kids, my mom, a dear semi-romantic friend and my own mind feel like a lot to commit to already…

    …and the KB community! 🙂

    So uh, did something happen here? It’s been pretty quiet the last 2 days.

    It’s because “we are thrilled with where we are” and “we are flush with draft capital, which as you know, is great currency in the market, and something that will help us get better as we move forward”, meaning the situation is so great we don’t need to talk about anything. LOL

    Since Chicanery is complaining, I’ll respond to Early Bird from yesterday with a nearly totally ignorant hypothesis. Which is that it’s not the skinniness, it’s the height. Or to put it another way, the danger for super elongated guys is more internally structural, not getting beat up by Tractor Traylor.

    I went in search of evidence to back this up, found an article that I can’t find again, which had a graph suggesting I’m wrong (that it doesn’t much matter how tall you are in terms of how often you’re injured). The graph also suggested that there’s a height (I didn’t memorize it) where nobody ever gets injured, at least during the years that the study covered. Something fairly short, and what a great piece of data to put into your drafting plans, eh.

    Anyway, I probably read the whole study wrong, but it still seems like really tall guys have their bodies fail more often, although there are obvious examples against that (e.g., that Alcindor guy did pretty well for a while…).

    Raven, Brunson is short, can we count on him to play all 82 games, is that it? And i knew it, Leon had a good reason to want a tiny backcourt with Brunson and Mitchell. 😀

    Cyber, Brunson’s a bowling ball. Unless he steps on someone’s foot, he’s good for 82.

    Just FYI, here’s a piece from a 2021 article, still looking for the other one:

    While our data showed that height may influence risk of back and ligament injuries, this has not previously been supported despite it being a current concern which has been examined in popular media and academia (Stotts 2014; Eric Choi, Penn State University 2015).

    But again, from my memory, there wasn’t a lot of variance between short and tall in terms of injury occurrence (except for that one blip where nobody that height ever got hurt…)

    Another article, suggesting height may not matter much, but based on position (centers obviously being taller, but not comparing folks well over 7 feet to others…)

    Neither injury and illness incidence nor severity was different among basketball playing positions. The injury and illness incidence was 18.17 per 1000 AGEs for guards, 17.23 injuries or illnesses per 1000 AGEs for forwards, and 18.16 injuries or illnesses per 1000 AGEs for centers.

    On the other hand, this study suggests Brunson is doomed:

    When fatigue and game load were held constant, injury odds increased by 3.03% (P = .04) for each year of NBA experience and 10.59% (P = .02) for a 6-cm decrease in height.

    I love science.

    When fatigue and game load were held constant, injury odds increased by 3.03% (P = .04) for each year of NBA experience and 10.59% (P = .02) for a 6-cm decrease in height.

    Smaller guys usually make up for it with speed, and speed might be the cause of injuries. Brunson does not seem to rely on speed in the way a player like Isaiah Thomas did, so we will see.

    I have high hopes for Brunson. We really need a good PG to turn this around. Since Jason Kidd in 2013, we had Ray Felton, Jose Calderon, Derrick “AWOL” Rose, Jarrett Jack, Elfrid Payton and Kemba “broken” Walker. That’s a depressing sequence of PGs.

    I got some free bets this weekend and one of them is a live in game bet and man, I feel like a degenerate just looking at these bets

    Phoenix is trying to trade Crowder. I’m just saying you can get all NBA forward Julius Randle for the low, low price of Jae Crowder & Landry Shamet

    Phoenix is trying to trade Crowder. I’m just saying you can get all NBA forward Julius Randle for the low, low price of Jae Crowder & Landry Shamet

    Maybe the Suns would bite, Randle can be a good player if he stays in his lane. And no way he wouldn’t with CP3 there. For us it’s great, Crowder and Obi at PF seems good to me, and Shamet i don’t think we have use for him but although he’s on a 4 year contract, only 2 years are guaranteed, so it’s not a big deal. Crowder is expiring.

    What’s up with the “Knicks Content Day”? Are we really going to avoid the media on a day that’s all about the media? We already changed the name from “Knicks Media Day” to “Knicks Content Day”… I don’t like this fixation the Knicks now have with the media!

    I don’t think the Knicks would do that trade. Not that they shouldn’t, but I think they are invested in seeing what they have in Randle at this point. PHX would probably have to include a significant draft asset for the Knicks to bite, especially given Shamet’s deal.

    Kobe is one of those lightening rod guys because there’s a wide range of opinions on his contribution to winning and some are repulsed by his treatment of women and some are repulsed by the hypocrisy of the media when picking who to forgive and who to destroy for behavior like that.

    “some are repulsed by the hypocrisy of the media when picking who to forgive and who to destroy for behavior like that.”

    Oh, the Media is a monolith? There hasn’t always been a range of opinions on Kobe? It’s the media’s job to forgive or destroy?

    Your self-serving cheap-shots at The Big Bad Media just keep on coming.

    From the Post article:

    “I’m making free throws this year,” said Barrett, who said team executive Allan Houston has been his chief mentor. “I go to the basket so much, I’m bound to get fouled.”

    If you to pick someone to help you with your foul shooting, Houston is a good choice.

    Making FTs would be a great way for RJ to up his value so let’s hope it’s more than just the usual off season talk

    Saying that Kobe Bryant of all people has been “destroyed by the media” for his treatment of woman might be the most insane thing I’ve ever read.

    His treatment of women didn’t make the last paragraph of his obituaries, dude.

    I’m not sure I can think of a season with more unknowns and competing possibilities than this one…

    “Saying that Kobe Bryant of all people has been “destroyed by the media” for his treatment of woman might be the most insane thing I’ve ever read.”

    Did you even read what I said?

    That was my point.

    The media is full of a bunch of hypocrites that decide who to destroy and who forgive based on a set of criteria that has no consistency other than possibly personal politics.

    Kobe gets hero worship from many, but that’s part of what makes him a lightening rod (along with a wide range of opinions on his contribution to the winning). Some people don’t so easily forgive and forget and resent the hypocrisy.

    >Oh, the Media is a monolith? There hasn’t always been a range of opinions on Kobe? It’s the media’s job to forgive or destroy?

    Your self-serving cheap-shots at The Big Bad Media just keep on coming.<

    I'm an equal opportunity hater of all media spinners, liars, hypocrites, and worse. Unfortunately, that covers a huge swath of media people both left and right even if they are spinning, lying, and being hypocrites on different issues and in different directions. In this case, that includes the well known hypocrites in the NBA that cower when China says boo because they may make less money.

    IMO there should be some consistency.

    Kobe was not only given a pass by many, he was turned into a hero by some of the very same people that would have destroyed others for less. I'm calling BS on that hypocrisy in media and the NBA.

    Now if you want to talk basketball, imo he does not deserve to be on the very short list of all time greats, but the metrics that say he was wildly overrated are garbage too.

    “I’m not sure I can think of a season with more unknowns and competing possibilities than this one…”

    IMO, the only major unknown is the progress of the young players. We don’t know who is going to move forward and at what rate. But that is the nature of young teams and why fans like them. They give you hope that a couple of players will take a significant jump up and the team will be a lot better than last year. I already know what Randle and Fournier can do.

    “IMO, the only major unknown is the progress of the young players. We don’t know who is going to move forward and at what rate. But that is the nature of young teams and why fans like them. They give you hope that a couple of players will take a significant jump up and the team will be a lot better than last year. I already know what Randle and Fournier can do.”

    Well first, when 9 of your 12 potential rotation players are either still on their first contract (5) or just signed their second (4) the uncertainty is about where they are relaive to their ceilings, both individually and as a team.

    Then there’s uncertainty about Thibs and how he will deploy them.

    Then as to Randle, who knows which version we will get and how MSG and your beloved media will react to him?

    The one bit of certainty is about health. While anything can happen, there seems to be no players who will come into training camp nursing an injury.

    “I’m an equal opportunity hater of all media spinners, liars, hypocrites, and worse. Unfortunately, that covers a huge swath of media people both left and right even if they are spinning, lying, and being hypocrites on different issues and in different directions.”

    This is the kind of dangerous broad-brush Trumpist drivel that is driving our country towards the brink. THE MEDIA IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!!!

    The “straight story” to the degree it can be told is more available to everyone than it ever was. It’s up to consumers to figure that out and form opinions. Kobe’s (and Derrick Rose’s) history is out there for anyone to peruse, thanks to the media.

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