Knicks Morning News (2018.11.04)

  • [NYDN] As Knicks coach David Fizdale waits for difference makers, he can look to Sixers as a model of progress through losing
    (Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:50:00 PM)

    The Knicks have gone full rebuild and their lineup is arranged appropriately with an average age of 22.6. But the four most important pieces have been spectators to David Fizdale’s creation.

    One of them, Kristaps Porzingis, isn’t going to play anytime soon, and may not step on the court before…

  • [NYPost] Robinson bracing for battle with NBA’s one-time ‘Superman’
    (Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:09:53 PM)

    WASHINGTON — Knicks rookie project center Mitchell Robinson dispatched DeAndre Jordan on Friday and now gets his crack at Dwight Howard on Sunday at Capital One Arena. After missing all of preseason and the first seven games with back issues, Howard made his Wizards debut Friday. For Robinson, it will be his fifth straight start,…

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ rookie trio looks ready to make mark on NBA
    (Saturday, November 03, 2018 2:39:37 PM)

    WASHINGTON — The Sniper, the Scorer and the Shotblocker. The 3-6 Knicks may or may not win 30 games this season. Brass’ patient master plan may not ultimately turn the Knicks into a legitimate championship contender one day. But you can’t argue their rookie threesome of Allonzo Trier, Kevin Knox and Mitchell Robinson isn’t one…

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ undrafted star Allonzo Trier continues to impress with career night
    (Saturday, November 03, 2018 6:19:22 PM)

    After finishing up his college career at Arizona, Allonzo Trier entered the draft process like many other rookies around college basketball in hopes of a team drafting them. Trier attended workouts across the NBA, including one with the Dallas Mavericks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Mitchell Robinson making case to stick as Knicks’ starting center
    (Saturday, November 03, 2018 11:35:54 AM)

    Mitchell Robinson impresses in his latest start with Knicks and David Fizdale may just stick with the rookie as his starting center.

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    76ers 109 Pistons 99

    Embiid: 34 min, 39 points (10-18), 17 R 2BLK 5 Fouls… +1 +/-
    Drummond: 21 min, 8 points (3-8), 9 R, 1 BLK, 5 Fouls… +3 +/-

    TS% Eliot

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    NBA Rookie TS% leaderboard, minimum 100 minutes played

    Mitchell Robinson .669
    Deandre Ayton .644
    Allonzo Trier .643
    Miles Bridges .637
    Kevin Huerter .606
    Marvin Bagley .600
    Luka Doncic .580
    Mikal Bridges .569
    Jaren Jackson Jr .568
    Shai Gilgeous-Alexander .559

    3:06 PM – 3 Nov 2018

    It’s still very early, but the front office deserves a lot of credit for these two regardless. I mean Trier is doing this with a USG% of 20! His TS% will come down but he was clearly a great use of a UDFA slot. Robinson’s DRB% is a little troubling but it’s hard to imagine that can’t be improved since his ORB% is top-10 in the league.

    Not to bring this back to negativity but it is a little frustrating to think about how we’d feel about our core if we drafted one of the Bridges or SGA instead…hopefully Knox changes that.

    It also makes you think about how many roster spots we’ve wasted over the years. Every time you want to argue that the Afflalos and Roses and Derrick Williamses of the world were inconsequential, remember that those opportunities could’ve gone to guys who had at least a little upside.

    But that’s all in the past and I’m happy that Perry seems to understand this aspect of roster building better than just about anyone we’ve ever had!

    Robinson’s DRB% is a little troubling but it’s hard to imagine that can’t be improved since his ORB% is top-10 in the league.

    Mitch has played a lot of minutes with Vonleh who’s an elite rebounder. It might be that Noah’s grabbing some of Mitch’s rebounds. It would be interesting to know Mitch’s DRB% when Vonleh and he share the court and when it’s just Mitch and no Vonleh. I just looked at nbawowy which would have that information but they’ve introduced a registration procedure which I don’t feel like going through at the moment.

    Not to bring this back to negativity but it is a little frustrating to think about how we’d feel about our core if we drafted one of the Bridges or SGA instead

    Yeah it’s a bit depressing but I remind myself that Knox is younger than Frank was in his rookie year and Knox didn’t start playing organized ball until age of 16. I’d be very happy this year if Knox shoots 35% from 3, plays decent defense, and posts a decent FTr rate.

    The thing about watching Trier is that of course, he can’t possibly sustain this efficiency as a rookie, but his game doesn’t seem unsustainable at all. He mostly takes good shots, outside of some in rhythm mid range shots out of isolation which are fine for a guy with his talent, he attacks the rim and shoots a couple of threes here and there. It really doesn’t feel like a rookie forcing stuff and being on a super hot streak, it feels like a damn good scorer creating good shots. It’s really very refreshing to have a guy like this on the roster.

    He’s averaging 4.6 FTA per 36 as a rookie which is pretty good, and he clearly has a lot of talent finishing around the rim. He was such a steal.

    It’s all about creating space out there. Trier knows how to do it for himself and others (that pass underneath to Kanter). He has a feel for the game. Some do and some don’t.

    I have to say I been pretty pleased with the Knick young guys. Even Frank has started to soften me on him a little. I need to see ALOT more but at least he’s moving in a positive direction

    Knox…..well Idk but Mitchell and Trier literally make me happy lol

    I feel like as much as Clyde obviously has an old school feel for the game, the thing he always says about Hardaway’s shot selection issues is what impressed me on Trier, the quality of the shots they both take is night and day. Even sometimes when Hardaway takes good shots and makes them it feels forced and outside of the flow of the offense.

    Trier is wise on the court beyond his years. Maybe off the court as well I dunno. But as a fan, you have confidence with the ball in his hands. Simple as that.

    Yeah if Knox can shoot league average from three, get to the ft line, and figure out where on the floor he can be a plus on defense, then I’ll be satisfied with the pick, more or less.

    Miles looks great, but will still probably be a minus on D. SGA would’ve been nice. Still, I’m starting to think we actually will lure a top free agent over the next two years, an overpay that will hopefully be worth it this time.

    Keep in mind that Trier is older than most of the rookies out there. That’s not a knock on him being a huge upside surprise, but it explains part of why he’s more ready. He may also have a little less upside.


    Talk to me about what troubles you when he hits 1,000.

    Allonzo Trier is 22 years old, there’s still plenty of room for upside.
    This fixation with raw 18 and 19 year olds has gotten out of hand. There is just as much chance the unknown 18 year old with potential will flame out as turn into a player. I’ll take the 22 year old with 3 years of college experience who is ready to play now and is still plenty young enough to improve. Peak years for a player are what, 26-28 or something like that? For Trier that’s FIVE years away.

    We got a steal and I believe he’ll get better assuming he and the coaches put in the time and effort.

    Trier is a good example of four year seniors being a market inefficiency. He’s about the same age as Vonleh and Mudiay, but hasn’t spent three years stinking up the NBA. He comes in pretty much ready to play. You’re getting good production of him right out of the gate.

    Wiggins, Fournier, LaVine, Aaron Gordon, Kidd-Gilchrist, Schroder — all guys who got extensions (some early extensions) because of the sunk-cost fallacy of committing resources to young guys. You can keep punting on a young player, but as that list shows, you can’t bank on a guy to turn into a good player just because they look like they have a lot of upside.

    i’m not buying on trier’s start….. it’s nice that he gets buckets but that’s really the extent of his contributions…. and if his hot shooting start fades… you’re not left with much of a player….

    maybe he keeps it up… but i doubt it….

    Djphan, have you watched the games? Trier really doesn’t seem to be forcing anything. It looks like he’s always in control. Beyond that, his shots are in line with his numbers in college. Sure, he doesn’t provide a lot of ancillary value, but the job of a 2 is to score points…efficiently, if possible. Trier does that, and there’s no visible reason to think it’s unsustainable.

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