Knicks Morning News (2018.11.03)

  • [Hoops Rumors] Knicks Notes: Robinson, Knox, Vonleh, Carmelo
    (Friday, November 02, 2018 6:37:23 PM)

    Coach David Fizdale is committed to making rookie Mitchell Robinson his starting center, Marc Berman of the New York Post reports. Robinson has replaced Enes Kanter, who will enter the free agent market next summer, because Fizdale feels the second-round pick is a “superior natural defender” and he wants the whole team to have a […]

  • [NYDN] Allonzo Trier and Mitchell Robinson have career nights as Knicks breeze past Mavericks
    (Friday, November 02, 2018 8:35:00 PM)

    Allonzo Trier’s two-way contract with the Knicks is looking more and more like a one-way deal.

    As in, the rookie guard isn’t leaving anytime soon.

    Trier scored 19 of his career-high 23 points during a second-half surge, fellow rookie Mitchell Robinson had his first double-double and the Knicks…

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks takeaways from 118-106 win over Mavs on Friday night
    (Friday, November 02, 2018 11:17:11 PM)

    The Knicks picked up their first road win of the season in a 118-106 victory over the Mavericks on Friday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks face off against Luka Doncic, Mavericks in Dallas at 8:30 p.m.
    (Friday, November 02, 2018 7:24:56 PM)

    The Knicks have not had any success on the road this season, either, having lost their first three.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks expect rookie Kevin Knox to return Monday vs. Bulls
    (Friday, November 02, 2018 8:22:00 AM)

    The Knicks expect rookie Kevin Knox to return from a sprained left ankle when New York hosts the Chicago Bulls on Monday.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: The Cavaliers Have No Cure for the LeBron James Hangover
    (Saturday, November 03, 2018 4:16:37 AM)

    Suffering in mediocrity while James was in Miami did not make the Cavaliers immune to the same sickness now that he’s gone again. Firing their coach may not fix it, either.

  • [NYPost] David Fizdale: Off-the-ball move gave Ntilikina ‘some clarity’
    (Saturday, November 03, 2018 12:50:52 AM)

    DALLAS — No, the Knicks didn’t win the Frank Ntilikina-Dennis Smith Jr. scoring battle, but they didn’t need to in their 118-106 victory at American Airlines Arena on Friday night. Ntilikina had an off shooting night (2-for-8, 0-for-4 from 3, seven points), sat some of the fourth quarter for Emmanuel Mudiay, but also had seven…

  • [NYPost] Rookies Trier and Robinson dominate as Knicks whip Mavericks
    (Friday, November 02, 2018 7:21:43 PM)

    DALLAS — And the two rookies — neither first-round picks — led them. Rick Carlisle, the Mavericks’ esteemed coach, called the young Knicks “relentless’’ and “extremely dangerous’’ and they were all that in Friday’s 118-106 victory over the Mavericks, posting their first victory away from the Garden. Center Mitchell Robinson, a second-round pick, and Allonzo…

  • [NYPost] Knicks double down on Mitchell Robinson commitment
    (Friday, November 02, 2018 11:59:07 AM)

    DALLAS — Knicks coach David Fizdale is proceeding full steam ahead on using rookie Mitchell Robinson as the starting center, hinting it may be for the rest of the season. That talk of three weeks ago that Mitchell was destined to spend time in the G-League is dead. While the Westchester Knicks opened their season…

  • 14 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2018.11.03)”

    Trier is basically havinga 50/40/90 season (53/43/88.5) as of right now. And it doesn’t look unsustainable somehow. He shot 50/38/86.5 his last year of college.
    64 TS on 19.5 usage as a rookie (albeit an older one) is pretty special. His handle, creativity around the basket, and shooting ability look a lot to me like Kyrie Irving TBH.

    I’m telling you Trier will be a Star.
    Fiz said after the game that Mitch is hustling running around out there. Just wait until he knows what he is doing…
    Holy crap.
    Carlyle is right, these guys play a relentless game. You put effort and athleticism together and they are going to exhaust most teams. Dallas seemed overwhelmed.

    Super small sample of course but MitchRob is essentially having a peak Tyson Chandler-type of statistical impact so far…except he’s 20 and Tyson didn’t reach the height of his powers until his late 20s.

    I’ve been on the Robinson train since the summer. We scored a top-4 draft pick in the 2nd round. I also think we scored a mid-1st with Trier. Credit to the front office.

    Robinson is so raw but his athleticism is off the charts. He dominated D’Andre Jordan. I’m trying to get that to sink in. My mind can’t quite accept that. But it’s salivating to think what he can become with a year of coaching and experience. His post-up game needs work. He can’t really create his own shot. He doesn’t like taking jumpers. He’s out of position a lot under the boards. His post-up game needs work. He commits stupid fouls. All that can be coached. Imagine what he’ll be like in a year.

    Trier. Trier! We needed a guard who could dribble, penetrate and score. His defense is just average but he schooled Dallas and took over the game at time. There were spurts where he went 1-on-5 and as the 1 kept scoring. They didn’t have an answer for him. It’ll take an elite defender to slow Trier down. And he went undrafted.

    Who cares how many games we win. I just want to watch our kids run around, play and have fun.

    Mario/Mudiay/Vonleh – Super Mario one night and Stupor Mario the next night…uh oh, Mudiay played well…Vonleh regression activated. All have shown flashes, issue is consistency on offense and Mario/Mudiay being better defenders

    Trey – Looks like Trey might be the sweetener for a Courtney trade on Dec 15th. When Knox returns, there’s no minutes for Courtney.

    Trier – I wanna know who in org found and pushed ZO this summer because this guy wasn’t on anybody’s radar. I don’t think it was Gaines. Whoever it was deserves a raise or promotion. I think the plan next year might be to give all the 1 and 2 minutes to THJ/Frank/Trier (about 32 minutes each). I almost hope Kyrie stays in Boston.

    Dot – Looking more confident and comfortable out there. He won’t be a star but my hope is he’ll end up more than just a 3&D players. He and Timmy are our best players in transition and he looks more versatile on offense than guys like Snell and Courtney.

    Mitch – I know there are a lot of Luka fanboys here but I will incur their wrath by saying I would take Mitch over Doncic in a redraft. If you erased everybody’s memory cells and had them watch the game, everybody would think Deandre was the raw rookie. Mitch affects game on both ends. Need more PnRs but the lob-dunk might be unstoppable in a few months once players nail positioning and timing. And did you notice the anticipation and speed on those steals? Perry owes Mitch’s agent his first-born for keeping him out of the combine and gifting him that dirt cheap 4-year deal.

    Y’all realize we’re not getting a top 4 pick? We might be something like the 15th best team in the league. KD and Kawhi could be banging on the MSG doors to play here. Dark cloud: Mitch could hit the rookie wall very soon. Looked like he was about to keel over early in the game. Hope he doesn’t have similar stamina issues to KP.

    So Trier, because he’s on a two-way, isn’t eligible for the kind of four-year deal we gave Robinson and Dotson? That’s kind of a bummer. But he’s been great.

    It’s got nothing to do with him being on a 2-way; the issue is that we don’t have cap space. That means we’d only able to convert his contract to a min deal or use the BAE. Both those options restrict length of deal to a max of 2 years. If we had 1-2m of free cap, we could give him a Mitch/Dot deal but who knows, he might not accept that. Trier is not lacking in confidence.

    If we convert to a 2-year deal right away, we’d have early bird rights (a bit more than the MLE is max we could offer him) at end of those 2 years. He could be worth more than MLE at that time but we’d be over the cap at that time and could lose him to another team. It might be better to wait until the summer and convert to a 4-year deal. He’d be a restricted agent this summer but the most another team could offer him swould be a 2-way deal. We of course could match and Trier would have to play for us or sit out the year.

    I recall Trier telling his agent that he wanted to be signed by the Knicks when he went undrafted. Don’t think we’ll have a problem re-signing him.

    I think guys like Trier, Vonleh, and Hezonja wanted to play for the Knicks because they knew they’d get playing time (Knicks focused on identifying and developing young players). If they play well this year, money then rates to be more important to them.

    Just for the record, Mudiay is our leading PER, WS/48 and BPA player right now with 24.1, .223 and +7.7 respectively. Oh yeah, his TS% is .60 🙂

    I don’t like the Lou Williams to trier comp either. Cuz I don’t think truer is a 6th man…
    He goes iso but it feels like it’s within the flow of the offense. It’s a primary’s attack unlike Lou who just creates his own shot. Also he is too young to be labeled a journeyman which is what a 6th man is usually.
    I see a lot of Donovan Mitchell in his ability To get to the rim and to make big plays in pressure spots.

    I would label thjr, Lee, kanter, 6th men before trier.

    I see Trier as having the potential to be our future starting SG once KP and Knox get into the swing of things. He seems to be a better shotmaker than Hardaway and he also gets to the FT line more. I can’t tell yet defensively, but if he’s solid enough I don’t see why he can’t be the starter based on this very early stage of observation. It’s not like Hardaway is a stopper. 🙂

    Frank, Trier, Knox, KP, and Robinson.

    As long as Knox isn’t a revolving door on defense that’s a solid 2-way starting lineup to go forward with. Vonleh, Hardaway, and Dotson off the bench. That’s before we add a draft pick and any free agents.

    He looks like a dead ringer for Lou Williams. Slashing, crafty guy who creates his own shot with ease, has no problem using his body with finesse to create space, finishes strong at the rim. They have virtually identical bodies too.

    If the tank gets derailed and the Knicks end up with their usual 8th or 9th overall pick, the players who seem likely to be available are a bunch of wings and bigs. If the Knicks can’t land a Barrett/Zion/Little franchise talent type guy, the next best thing would be to snag a quality point guard, but this draft looks very thin on point guards.

    Maybe some more players will emerge during the NCAA season but I’m not seeing a lot of guys who look like a good fit should the Knicks fall much below 5 or 6 in the draft.

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