(Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:48:40 PM)
Michael Beasley said he started feeling the hot hand on January 9, 1989. Michael Beasley was born on January 9, 1989.
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:50:53 PM)
Michael Beasley scores 32 as the Knicks beat the Celtics 102-93 despite Porzingis scoring
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:24:34 PM)
Kristaps Porzingis will return for the Knicks against the Celtics.
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:19:26 PM)
The Knicks host the Celtics tonight at 8 p.m.
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 5:35:37 PM)
Carmelo Anthony ‘believed’ he would end up in Houston this offseason, where LeBron James would later join.
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:05:09 AM)
Not even jail time can faze Knicks C Enes Kanter.
(Friday, December 22, 2017 10:00:28 AM)
Joseph Anavim, a Long Island native, has made pop-art paintings for Carmelo Anthony, Kristaps Porzingis and many others.
(Friday, December 22, 2017 1:28:51 AM)
Taken 27th, a point in the N.B.A. draft typically reserved for Europeans and players with discernible flaws, Kuzma immediately thrived for the Lakers.
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:34:09 AM)
It all started with a message on Twitter in the wee hours of the morning. Less than a week later, the brothers signed a contract and sent the town into a frenzy.
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:28:06 PM)
It was just one of those nights. In his return from a two-game absence, Kristaps Porzingis shot 0-for-11 (0-for-3 from beyond the arc) and registered just one point in 23 minutes of action Thursday in the Knicks’ 102-93 victory over the Celtics. It was the fewest points he had scored in a game since Dec….
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:07:24 PM)
Knicks rookie point guard Frank Ntilikina got his first experience facing Kyrie Irving, and it went better than he could have hoped. Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek stuck with Ntilikina in the fourth quarter Thursday night against the Celtics, and the rookie made the West Orange, N.J., great work hard. Ntilikina also hit two giant 3-pointers…
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:20:14 PM)
Knicks center Enes Kanter had another opponent fall on him, injuring his neck. Plus, Kanter’s lower lip looked like he had gone a couple of rounds with Rocky Balboa. So naturally, he turned in a double-double of 14 points and 10 rebounds Thursday in the Knicks’ 102-93 victory over the Celtics at the Garden. First,…
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:58:29 PM)
Consider the obstacles for the Knicks. The opponents were the Boston Celtics, owners of the best record in the Eastern Conference. Yes, for one night Thursday the Celtics had a simply awful second unit and played on the second half of a back-to-back. But still, the best record in the East means something. The Knicks’…
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 7:35:39 PM)
It didn’t exactly begin well for the 2017-18 Knicks. They opened the season 0-3, capped off by an ugly, uninspiring blowout loss in Boston. But those days are long gone. After a few tweaks, mainly inserting point guard Jarrett Jack into the starting lineup, the Knicks bounced back, and got revenge on the Celtics, 102-93,…
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 5:50:22 PM)
The festive Garden crowd chanted “M-V-P’’ when the Knicks’ gangly power forward stepped to the free-throw line during his second-half rampage. The serenade, however, was for Michael Beasley — not the 0-for-11 shooting Kristaps Porzingis. Up was down and down was up Thursday at the Garden. Beasley continued his stunning rampage, hearing more chants across…
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:14:21 AM)
The night of the 2015 draft wasn’t one Carmelo Anthony remembers fondly. The ex-Knicks star was disappointed his wingman Tim Hardaway Jr. got traded for the draft rights to Jerian Grant. The combination of that trade, along with the Knicks drafting a reported project in Kristaps Porzingis, didn’t sit well with Anthony. He felt the…
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 9:42:21 AM)
To Carmelo Anthony, he was the Zzzzzen Master. During last season, the final, miserable one of the Anthony and Phil Jackson eras in New York, Anthony would either fall asleep or pantomime sleeping during meditation sessions that Jackson presided over, according to an ESPN exploration of the drama of the 31-51 disaster, after which Jackson was…
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:53:57 PM)
Kristaps Porzingis struggled in his return from injury, but Michael Beasley had his back with 32 points off the bench.
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:50:10 PM)
After returning from his knee injury, the Kristaps Porzingis had his second-worst scoring game on Thursday evening.
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:48:08 PM)
Michael Beasley has labeled himself many things.
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:44:39 PM)
Mills worked under Phil Jackson and was endorsed by the Zen Master as his successor.
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:12:01 PM)
Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek announced that Kristaps Porzingis will play against the Boston Celtics on Thursday.
(Friday, December 22, 2017 1:19:54 AM)
He looked more donkey than unicorn on Thursday night, but at least Kristaps Porzingis had a sense of humor about it.
(Friday, December 22, 2017 12:43:49 AM)
Loud “M-V-P” chants filled Madison Square Garden several times and they weren’t directed at Kristaps Porzingis. Michael Beasley drew them on a night that Porzingis played his worst game as a pro.
(Friday, December 22, 2017 12:25:56 AM)
Tim Hardaway Jr. shot around before the game, and he got a little more air under his feet on his jumpers and three-point attempts than he did earlier in the week.
(Thursday, December 21, 2017 10:50:00 PM)
If there is anything that has distinguished Enes Kanter this season, it’s been his strong will.
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I was really sick last night; fell asleep with the game on. and in a haze from the fever, I hallucinated that Mike Beasley beat the Celtics by himself
You know how Clyde will remark on a minor player going off by dubbing it “The Randy Foye Game” or whatever midway through the telecast? It feels crazy that we’ve had several The Michael Beasley Games (even one on Clyde-less night) lately.
For now, I’m just enjoying these while they last. How many would be required before we can even start considering that Hornacek and Beasley have combined to unlock his true (offensive) potential?
The biggest problem during Beasley’s career is that he’s always wanted to be a 3 when he is clearly best suited to be a 4. His best moments as a pro, like tonight, have come when he’s played the 4. So, I dunno, maybe? It sure would be sweet to see.
If nothing else, he makes for a good In Case of KP Emergency, Break Glass option, either when KP is injured or just having an awful night like last night. The only other guy on the roster even vaguely suited to be an offensive centerpiece is TH2, and he’s out a while. And, even on his good streaks, he isn’t as adept at breaking down defenses as The Walking Bucket.
In 10 December games, he’s averaging 22 mpg, 17 pts, 5 rebs, on a TS% of .593 with passable D (like vs. Horford during key possessions last night.) I thought he was loony like everyone else did when he called himself a Walkin’ Bucket, but he’s walkin’ the walk. Good for him, and good for us!
btw, I checked his b-r page, and this is pretty much how he’s played for 4 of the last 5 years. I was not a fan of signing him, but wacky personality aside, he’s a huge bargain at the vet’s minimum!
Again, it’s a JR Smith thing: near-max contract gifts (on offense, anyway), G-league head. I don’t think he’ll ever entirely stop doing things that make me want to tear out what remains of my hair, but there’s a possibility of him evolving from a “No no no no no no YESSSSSS!” player to someone you just feel confident will be, well, a walking bucket whenever he’s on the court.
Yeah, he’s definitely one of those guys who had to basically almost lose his career before he was willing to even TRY to work on his shit.
But damned if he isn’t really working it out lately. If this keeps up, that’d be swell!
A four with legit 3-point range who can at least come close to holding his own on the glass is all the rage these days. Beasley may have hung on just long enough to enter an era in which he can be a contributor.
We’ll probably look back on this thread and laugh hysterically at ourselves in a month, tops, but I’m here for the ride while it lasts!
And, importantly, he gave up on his obsession with being a 3.
I think we’re all aware that he could become a disaster in a hurry, and there’s a reason he’s stayed a minimum contract guy despite several years in a row of good numbers. But he’s always had talent, and sometimes, the light does turn on for guys like this.
The thing that impressed me the most about Beasley is that most of his shots were good shots! McHale commented on it on the broadcast, there was no jab step mid range bs, he was going after every Boston defender with post moves, driving on them, going towards the rim every time.
He scored a lot and it was mostly good offense, not some dumb luck every contested shot is somehow falling. There were some insane “how does this shot fall” moments but otherwise it was just very good. As it has always been with Beasley, I don’t expect any consistency, but it wasn’t just a lucky meme performance.
Ron, O’Quinn and Frank really did alter the game defensively, those possessions where Frank was guarding Kyrie were a beauty to watch. Their inexperience on offense caught up hard in the end of the 4th but the Knicks had done enough to secure it thankfully.
Part of the reason they are on the team together is that it was assumed we were going to continue playing triangle. One selling point of the triangle is that instead of having one ball dominant PG to run P&R and create all the plays, you have two guards that both have better passing skills than the typical off guard. That way the defense can’t just take your PG out of the game and throw a serious money wrench into your offense the way Phil used to do defensively against other teams. That’s partly why he doesn’t like the modern offense. He was able to defend it too well in the playoffs.
The downside of this is that neither Baker or Frank is true PG or enough of a scorer to be a traditional SG (we are overstaffed at SG for now with RHJ and Lee anyway). So either Frank is going to have to become a true PG or we are going to have to become more creative in how we run our offense than teams in the NBA with traditional PGs.
Higher priority in the offseason (whether the draft, trades, or FA):
1)A pure point guard who will let Frank play off the ball more and who will do better at breaking down defenses and getting KP and others the ball where they need it?
2)A pure small forward who rebounds and defends well, to compensate for KP and most of our guards not being great rebounders?
With cap space and our limited assets, it may not be possible to get both, so if you had to choose one, which would it be?
What a win. There is zero chance we aren’t laughing hysterically in a month about how jacked we all are about Beas, but who cares.
Also, that was a great Frank v. Kyrie vid someone posted last night. Frank plays defense the way it’s meant to be played. It’s amazing how well he gets over screens and how quickly he can recover into a passing lane.
I am probably more excited to watch Frank’s defense in the years to come than anything on this team.
This really is a fun team. They were all over Bease after the game. A bunch of young guys who play unselfish and seem to like each other. What a difference from last 3-4 years. Melo and Phil in the rear view mirror. New feel, culture. A couple key acquisitions- maybe a defensive 3 like MKG and a quick penetrating point guard and we could cause some serious damage.
The net of everything Beasley does statistically will not measure his impact correctly. He’s one of those guys that can dominate a game on offense and be the major reason you won, but he will also have bad stretches and blow a game if you give him too much rope. I was against the signing when we made it, but I was clearly wrong. I can count 4 games we would not have won except for the fact that Beasley was almost unstoppable. We can’t count on him to deliver every night, but if we use him wisely when we need what he can bring he’s going to win more games for us single handed.
Beasley in the post-game presser in response to being asked when he started feeling the hot hand en route to his 31 points: “January 9, 1989.”
Michael Beasley’s birthday? You guessed it: January 9, 1989.
Say what you will about the man as a player, but he is an incredible quote. Worth the minimum for entertainment value alone.
He’s a walking bucket and a walking quote machine.
One really great thing about last night was the fact that KP did not have it, Horns decided to not play him in the 4th and KP was totally cool with it and was just as excit d as everyone else that we got the win.
If it was Melo it would be such a huge deal if he didn’t come back in even if he was having a bad game. Horns would feel the pressure to put him back in and if he didn’t, Melo would silk and it would be all over the media the next day, overshadowing the win.
Anyone notice it doesn’t seem to matter whether Hardaway plays or not? That really was a horrible waste of cap space.
That video of Frank’s defense was awesome. They don’t win that game without him.
Even last night, when he was awesome, Beasley had 5 turnovers in only 24 minutes. That’s okay when you’re scoring 32 points on 20 shots, but you’re not leaving yourself much room for error.
Can Beasley sustain something like 17 pts, 5 rebs, on a TS% of .593 with passable D? Maybe not at quite that volume of scoring, but he put up a TS% of 58 last year, so he can be a good option on offense. His problem, which Brian got close to, is that he’s a good offensive player at the 4, but he’s undersized and not a great rebounder. I do think he can be useful if he’s attacking the basket on offense, especially against teams that play small like the Celtics did in the 4th last night.
Frank, a 19-year-old rookie in December, had 4 turnovers against the best defense in the NBA. No surprise there. But as I always say, when you’re looking at a player this young the thing you’re looking for are flashes of the player he can possibly become as he matures and develops. That length, stroke, passing touch, advanced knowledge of the pick-n-roll, and stride are always on display. I can’t wait until he figures out how to play in a way where the ball doesn’t slow him down because he can cover ground when he has the confidence in his handle.
The Celtics are the best defense in the NBA, you are going to commit turnovers against them.
I was at the game so didn’t get to hear the commentary – was there something out there about KP limping around between quarters? With all the giddiness about Beasley, it’s a little disturbing that Boston can make KP look so awful. He’s still the future of this franchise, and Beasley is obviously just a stop gap.
I hope in a way that KP is still feeling the effects of the knee injury, because that was one fugly performance last night.
Franks 3p% is up to 34.6%.
He’s been turning it over a lot all season and the Celts are a middle of the pack team when it comes to generating turnovers.
They said something about him walking into the tunnel and walking around, but it was unclear if he was testing out his knee or if he was just taking a moment because he was upset. The fact that they didn’t put him back afterwards in makes me think they were worried about his health.
The Celts have won a lot of games but look very vulnerable. Granted, they had 3 key players out (Hayward, Brown, Morris) and a less-key but somewhat important one given that the others were out (Larkin), and they were on the tail end of a back-to-back, but they don’t look like a #1 seed to me.
Albert and McHale made it sound like he was just venting a bit because of the bad performance, no injury or anything worrying past that.
I read something on Frank’s scouting report (on the ringer, of all places) that’s actually very accurate: the ball slows him down. He still doesn’t seem to be in complete control of his body and able to turn athletic ability into basketball moves, because his handle is just not up to par.
It’s a bit worrying, in the sense that it’s something most rookies nowadays have, but I think it’s fine simply because it’s all so new for him. With a full off-season, without playoffs in European leagues or injuries, it’s something that can surely be worked on and he has shown pretty good flashes everywhere else. If he learns how to pass more sharply (he clearly has the vision, just sometimes his passes are lazy or not strong enough) and improves his handle / body control, he’ll be a plus player for a long time.
From what I read today KP just took a moment to walk the halls bc he was upset with his performance. And I don’t think Horns didn’t play him bc they were worried about his knee. He didn’t play him bc Beasley and the bench were getting it done. Same reason why he didn’t put in jack or lee or kanter. No need to do so.
Which is nice cause KP got to work off some rust but or starters should all be fresh for tonight.
Also hardaway has defineltnwon is some games this year and I do not know what you mean by he makes no difference. We struggled a bit when he first went out. Instead of looking at it negatively how about this. Him being out has given Ron, Lance, Frank, McDermott and Beasley all a chance to play more and get more experience and confidence. When Hardaway comes back I’d we can get him, KP and Kanter all healthy and clicking again like they were earlier this season we’re gonna be even better than we are now bc now our strong starting five will be backed up by a stronger and more experienced bench. If we can get through this little injury bug stretch and hit the road in Janaury full strength we’ll start winning some road games. This team is still learning and growing. Having Hardaway, KP and Kanter out for some games has given opportunities for others to step up and shine. They have and we’re gonna be a stronger team in the long run for it.
I didn’t get to watch last nighr from bein sick with headaches and other crap-shit, but I did check the box score this morning. I’ve been waiting for more instances to occur to say this, but- it looks like Boston loses when Kyrie goes Uncle Drew. Other than that, Michael Beasley must read this blog because he’s making us all eat crow. He is ballin! If he were to be re-signed, I would not mind at all. He’s the perfect backup PF, and he and McBuckets make a nice tandem on the 2nd unit.
hang in there totes!
the thing about Beasley’s emergence as of late is the depth it adds; his role in the second unit is fortified at this moment and that thanks to hornacek defining a specific role for him.
Hornacek does seem to have harnessed Beasley to some extent, but like DRed said, the guy still turns it over a bunch, not just last night. And, they are often sloppy unforced turnovers.
But hey, he’s clearly trying harder on D, so maybe the light bulb has turned on in his head. His spin move is pretty much unstoppable. Playing him with both Ron and Frank providing a lot of perimeter D also is a good move by H.
Hopefully, he can keep this going for another month or so so that, if the team falls apart on the road, maybe they can get a 2nd rounder for him. Or, a Beasley and OQ package could really help a good team looking to improve its depth for a deep playoff run!
Uh, I don’t know what season you guys are watching, but Kyrie has been the best guard in the east this year and nearly unstoppable in crunchtime. For anyone to lock him down for any amount of time, much less a 19-year-old rookie, is a preposterous feat. I’m really so pumped that we have Frank’s perimeter D. I just hope he can become a passable point and/or that we can add a facilitating sf to the lineup eventually.
Sometimes I really scratch my head reading here.
When I lived in NJ I had a neighbor who had a 6 year old autistic child. He was the nicest kid you’d ever want to meet until every once in a while he’d drop his pants and take a dump on the living room floor.
That’s what I feel like reading some of the comments about Frank here. NY fans are supposed to be so “sophisticated” about hoops…. yeah, where?
Did anyone watch Frank play last night? He IS Scottie Pippen on the defensive end and I defy anyone to point out a better defensive player ever at the guard position at his age. Irving is one of the slickest ball handlers in the NBA and he went into his act and Frank jammed it right up his ass with those long arms as Kyrie nearly stumbled into the back court to regroup. Who does that at 19?
The way he 3/4 the pnr and recovers while dragging his trail arm in the passing lane? The guy is a savant on the defensive end.
On “O” the pass he made to KOQ in the 4th quarter where KOQ got hammered was a pass unseen here by a Knick in years…
He has the sweetest 3 ball stroke imaginable and now it is falling consistently.
Yeah… we all get it he needs a lot of work handling the ball and penetrating but he is learning a new position at the highest level on the fly as a child FFS. A couple of thousand hours of directed practice with Curry-like drills and that gets way better.
All I can say is I wish there was a 5 year market where I could take a long position on this guy…….
overshadowed by beasley is Kanter’s first half domination and KOQ backup play. not to mention Lee was constant threat and hitting a few big shots keeping up momentum.
one hell of a game; hard to believe we’re the same team on the road.
Yes! I don’t wanna pump this kid up too much for fear of a letdown, but I have similar thoughts about him. The kid has an innate ability on defense that you can’t teach, and that is incredible for a 19 year old PG. He has the offensive game type to be a savant on that end as well. For the most part, he just needs to tighten his handle, and learn when to drive and be confident with hit. On offense, he has that uncanny older dude at the Y game, a la Harden. I don’t expect him to become Harden; Harden’s a tremendous offensive player. One of the best in league history. Even though he’s a little more explosive than Ntilikina, they still are alot alike athletically. With that in mind, he can still become very good on offense. I think our problem is sometomes we forget that he’s 19, and we are used to seeing super explosive American born athletes. I just hope Hornacek & company have the requisite tools to develop him & KP. Those two at peak level could be something the league has never seen before.
I just hope Frank is a Knick after 5 years, that’s all.
I’m trying to keep my enthusiasm in check, because there’s a lot of stuff to like about what’s happening with him, including the fact that when the team is competing well and on tough games he seems to elevate his level of play and basically demand minutes.
His 3p% is up to .346, if it keeps improving he’ll reach .500 ts% in some time. Baby steps on offense.
Yeah, Frank is really fun to watch. Sure, he’s young and mistake prone, but his talent is so evident and his upside tremendous. He’s 19!!!
H. is handling him just right with about 20 min. per game, and leaving him in crunch time when he’s playing well. He doesn’t get yanked nearly as quickly when he turns the ball over once or twice (like Fisher used to do during Grant’s first year).
Still, if they can get another good young PG prospect, go for it. But, a young talented legit three would really give the Knicks a nice base of young talent going forward. I’m still hoping Willy can get in the rotation in January or so.
What Frank doesn’t have (yet?) is the ability to create his own shot any time he wants. That requires a combination of speed, acceleration, handle, jumping ability and tough shot making that people have in various quantities. It’s that ability that will draw defenses to him and give him a chance to pass and make plays. Some of those attributes that can be developed with practice or just working on your body. He will get better, but there are other 19 year old players that obviously have more athletic gifts to start. He does seem to have the court vision and passing skills to do it. So we’ll see how far he can develop his explosiveness, handle etc.. We already know he can defend and has 3 point range if left open. That’s a pretty good start.
watching some trey burke highlights leaves me very impressed. scoring machine, quick as hell.
we have a gaping hole and need for his skillset, what gives!
My idea of perfection would be adding a solid young scoring PG, moving Frank to SG and having him play at the #1, #2, and even eventually the #3 depending on the situation, adding a young SF that can score, having Hernangomez take the starting C spot from Kanter so we can move him (or Kanter coming back for less), and moving Hardaway to the bench as a 6th man. That will take time and be difficult to achieve within our cap space even when Noah and Lee have moved on. That would also be a big salary to pay Hardaway to be 6th man. But a man can dream.
We’re all astounded about Beasley. I feel like Jed Clampett who struck oil by accident in his back yard. What do we do now? I know what the Knicks will do, nothing. Me? I try and sign him relatively cheaply for a couple more years. Do it now before we have Beasanity. How much? $3-4M per. Thoughts?
@42 – I don’t know what the rules are, but we better bring him up before we lose him. After watching some of his G-League games I’ve come to the conclusion that he’s a scorer that we desperately need.
yea i dont get what we are waiting for with regard to burke.. some have pointed out he and Frank would make a perfect 1-2 punch in the second unit with scoring and defense. im not sure i believe that but if each player can rub off a little on the other than that makes for a better guard rotation but the highlights make him look like isaiah thomas 2.0
Burke, Frank, Beasley, McDermott and O’QUinn on the second team. What could be more fun?
I am scratching my head, too.
We currently have a 19 year old PG who is probably top 1-3 on defense at his position right now. Oh, and he has a great shooting stroke, and very accurate/smart passing skills. He is our future at the position right now.
We also have a 25 year old SF who has a TS% of 584, and is currently shooting 42.5% from 3 on 90 shots this season. By eye test, McDermott seems to be good on defense too. He made a few excellent defensive plays last night, like stopping a running Kyrie in his tracks. He should be getting all of Lance’s minutes.
Beasley playing well feels like Jarrett Jack to me. Who cares, are we really going to resign a 29 year old next summer for more money? He’s not even a mentor type. I’d rather have lost those few games than have this reincarnation of JR Smith give us extra wins.
If we were winning on the backs of Frank, McDermott, KP, Kanter, Willy (WTF did he do to Hornacek?!), Timmy, Dotson, etc. I’d be very happy. But Lee, Lance, Jack, and Beasley really have no purpose here.
I get that there are many roads to Rome, and I can actually understand how Jack may be serving a huge role for Frank, and a big problem with our organization is organization, and guys like Jack, Lee, Lance, and Noah may serve to help the framework our youth grows into, but come on, Beasley????! The dude is just as likely to go 8-42 over the next 3 games.
Yeah, I’d say a combo of Scottie Pippen and James Harden is about right. Actually, his dunk reminded me a bit of Wilt Chamberlain. And did you see that one rebound he got? Pure Bill Russell!
I don’t see why we should rule out signing Beasley back just because he’s 29. When you are building a young team every player does not have to be 25 or less. In fact, a rule of any kind is probably a disadvantage both in terms of experience and your ability to fill out the team wit the best available talent and value. So what if Beasley is not here 5 years from now when KP, Willy, and Frank are peaking. We’ll have someone else here doing that job. If Beasley is the best talent and value for that role next year, he should be brought back. The only rule we should have is no old guys that are declining signed to contracts longer than their shelf life (like Noah).
I’m not sure what you want Hornacek to do. Our top scorer was MIA and our 2nd leading scorer is injured. Should he not play Beasley and let ???? create offense? I get that Beasley is not a long term solution, but you have to try and win that game last night and Beasley did deliver.
“The dude is just as likely to go 8-42 over the next 3 games.”
thats where you lost me.
hornacek would never let beasley go ‘green light’ , he didnt let Melo do that!
beasley is extremely effective in the carefully drawn role that hornacek has created for him. if anything we are likely to see beasley drop another 30 points tonite in limited minutes, thats whats so crazy to me (beasley is single handedly screwing our ping pong balls but thats on hornacek not beasley.)
Yeah I really don’t see what the problem is and I hate the logic that everyone has to be 25 or under. Beasley could continue to be this good for 2 or 3 more seasons before he starts to decline especially since he’s in a backup bench role. Lee could also stay this good for the rest of his contract. OQuinn could be resigned for another 3 or 4 years and remain where he is. Are they gonna be here in 5 years? Probably not but they could be here the next two to three and while KP and Frank develop along with Ron, Dotson, Willie and our draft picks we could continue to grow and improve as a team. There’s no reason to kick dudes to the curb just bc they aren’t young like KP. Like stated above, if you have a hard rule like that you are denying yourself the opportunity to find market inefficiencies like Beasley. See, I used the term market inefficiency so I sounded smart.
And Frank, Doug and Kanter were all huge last night so they’re getting the experience of contributing to wins. Ron also helped close out the night. Would you rather horns play willie and we get destroyed by the Celtics at home on a national TV game? How is the good for the development of those players?
any ideas on what horny can do to help the team carry their msg game out on to the road?
i had read something during the charlotte trip which said he was going to change up some things with their warmups – which, obviously didn’t work so well…
oh yeah, all-star voting is open now: https://vote.nba.com/?iref=asv18_nbacom_plyrprof_US&cid=asv18_nbacom_plyrprof_US#/
i voted for: kp, frank, kanter and lee…also voted for ingram and kuzma – and, no – i’m not some closet laker fan – although, i might just be turning in to one 🙂
If you had to guess, would you say Frank or Ron Baker has been better at getting steals? I’d say Frank, wouldn’t you? You’d be wrong, though. It’s Ron Baker.
I agree with the questioning of Ron and Frank being NBA point guards. As of now neither one has a good enough handle to deal with pressure defense. Also they both have a habit of making bad passes that lead to too many turnovers. The Knicks still need an above average point guard to get over the hump and become one of the better teams in the league. They’ve had this same need for about 20+ years now…..
I love watching Beasley in the post and from the elbow. High athleticism and a refined skillset, which is weird because he has played like dogshit for most of the year. I look forward to him joining the Warriors’ bench at the vet’s min this offseason, where he will put up a 130 ORtg and >.200 WP48 on his way to a ring.
Hornacek should play more our boxscore juggernaut Joakim Noah.
He has a .723 WP48 FFS!
Last night was fun as hell but Beasley still sucks. He can do things that most productive players could never dream of, but a low assist guy with a TS of .565 at 4.5 TO/36 is inefficient at any usage. And that’s just on offense. We’ll always have Boston tho.
I’d be okay with the TS% if he didn’t cough up the ball so much. .565 TS% on highish volume from a minimum-contract bench player is better than I’d expect.
Beasley also had 10 boards last night.
We’ll also always have OKC. Beasley is the reason we’ve won our last two games.
yes if he was his normal 2.5 TO self on .565 and high usage that would be pretty useful (though still pretty one dimensional). maybe he can be or maybe the cost of him getting better shots is more TOs. The avg TO costs around 1.5 shot attempts when you factor in no ORB and the 60pct of Live Ball TOs generating over 1.2ppp for the opponent. Guys who are not assist guys and turn it over a ton have to be crazy efficient even on high usage to be valuable.
Everyone says we need a good two way 3. How bout this…
Kanter opts out and we let him walk.
Trade Lee at the deadline or this offseason to open up his cap space.
Let KQ walk.
Resign Beasley and McDermott.
Frank, Timmy, Lebron, Beasley, KP
Ron, Dotson, McDermott, Lance, Willie
Could use our draft picks for another PG, a couple of bigs. Maybe being back jarret jack for the vet minimum again.
you whole plan seems to hinge on one player but what happens if lance retires
Well then we’re screwed. Can’t win a chip without GRIT.
The TO issue with Beasley is not as simple as with the typical player. The more often you handle the ball, the more your chances for a TO. But if you take the ball to the hoop to score, your TOs will tend to rise even more because you are going into traffic and will get stripped. Advanced stats try to correct for that by looking at TO%. Look at KP. His TOs are up this year because he’s handling and dribbling the ball more, but his TO% is actually down.
Beasley’s TOs and TO% are up quite a but this year. Some of it may be random or poor decisions, but some of it may be that he’s being asked to score a lot and he generally doesn’t do it spotting up (someone that spots up will hardly ever turn it over). He’s being ask to create for himself a lot.
Some of the comparisons are tricky depending on your role.
No game thread (yet), so… Zing Zing? (Still not sure that’s anything.)
we’re gonna need another beasley show
the Pistons got 11 rebounds in 3 1/2 minutes
Off to a great start.
Interesting match UP. Lance Thomas vs anthony tolliver. Who you got?
Second game of back-to-back
Odds of winning: infinitesimal
modest positive is everyone under 30 minutes last night
our bench may be the difference tonight…or, not…
for someone reason i couldn’t post my beasley chant…to which – i’d just like to say in an abbreviated format:
beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley – beasley –
Logged on to praise our swarming D and then Pistons got like 8 in a minute
I couldn’t watch the Celtics game, but I read about it afterwards. A couple Celtics were saying they liked O’Quinn and that he would help the Celtics. For those who watched, does that seem to be true?
Remember that meta Seinfeld storyline when they wrote a show about nothing that was really an allegory for lance thomas
I recall last year a few of us noting that OQ would probably be a real good fit in Boston.
Why the hell are Jack, Lance and Noah playing together? Way too little shooting.
Clashfan, Well the Celtics certainly have stuff they could offer for him.
By the way, It’s amazing Calderon is still is starting for the Cavaliers
LOL. During the break, the NBA top 5 plays was just shown on League Pass. Two of them of the Celtics scoring against the Knicks last night. None of the Knicks scoring.
man…we need to shoot/make more threes…we’re last in the league in attempts and makes…
that’s not gonna get it done…
I have to say that even though the Knicks don’t look very good tonight, it’s actually much better played than most of their road games have been
9/13, 13 rebounds. 2 assists. 2 blocks.
Now the Knicks having trouble inside on both ends of the court
It’s nice we weren’t abysmal on the road, but I really wanted the win.
Come on, man! Frank is a young player with great potential. But guys here are comparing him to Pippen, Harden, and WILT? On that steal and dunk it was a lazy crosscourt pass (always derided as “dangerous” by Clyde) on which Frank made a GOOD play that MANY players would have made, and converted the breakaway dunk. Did not look like any of those 3 guys. Frank is not fast twitch like Scottie or smooth as silk like Harden or overwhelmingly fast and powerful like WILT. I would cautiously compare him to a young Clyde, who was never the fastest but had great instincts and BECAME a top 50. Came into the league as a defensive stopper and worked hard to hone ALL of his skills. So, to be clear, IMHO Frank has great potential, but he’s not like those 3 guys. He’s got a little bit in common with the young Clyde and maybe Rolando Blackmon, but has a LONG way to go to demonstrate that he can be anywhere near the player Clyde became. If he can become Rolando, who was a top 20 player in the leagye at hus peak, we should be very happy. Clyde and wilt were top 50 of all time. I do support him and his development and I like the way Horn’s utilizing him.
We coulda won this game, and that sucks. But we’ve been so bad so the road, a close lose to a good team, I can’t be that upset about. Just carry it forward.