Knicks Morning News (2017.10.28)

  • [NYTimes] Alibaba Co-Founder Joseph Tsai Said to Buy Brooklyn Nets Stake
    (Saturday, October 28, 2017 2:39:49 AM)

    Mr. Tsai has agreed in principle to buy a 49 percent stake in the team, people briefed on the matter said, valuing the franchise at $2.3 billion.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Another N.B.A. 7-Footer, Trying to Keep Up, Ventures Into 3-Point Land
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 4:29:41 PM)

    The Nets’ Timofey Mozgov was encouraged to take more deep shots, after Coach Kenny Atkinson got a scouting report from the team’s owner.

  • [NYPost] Jarrett Jack turns a year older and is now starting for Knicks
    (Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:52:46 AM)

    Jarrett Jack turned 33 at midnight Saturday. But Friday night, in the hours leading up to his birthday, Jack gave birth to a new role and gave new life to the young Knicks season. In one swoop, Jack has gone from waiver-wire candidate when Joakim Noah’s suspension is done to starting point guard. Jack who…

  • [NYPost] Nets’ Achilles heel exposed with Knicks’ relentless effort
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 11:28:07 PM)

    The Nets haven’t kept opponents off the offensive glass so far this season, but on Friday night, they took that to all kinds of new lows. With the Nets playing a heretofore winless Knicks team, this wasn’t shirts and skins. This looked more like hobbits versus giants. The Nets got humiliated on the boards and…

  • [NYPost] Ntilikina gives Knicks fans tantalizing glimpse of what could be
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 10:41:47 PM)

    Knicks rookie Frank Ntilikina let fly with a couple of shots early Friday night. They were, um, what’s the word? “Terrible,” Ntilikina filled in neatly. For a 19-year-old, he is wise beyond his years. Soon, Ntilikina looked like anything but a teenager making his home NBA debut. So the Garden crowd quickly fell in love…

  • [NYPost] Nets fall into the letdown trap after big win over Cavaliers
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 10:19:51 PM)

    The Nets’ lethargic non-effort Friday should be the plot of the next “Hangover” flick. With their heads still in the clouds after Wednesday’s thrilling, draining upset of the Cavaliers, the Nets predictably suffered a King James-sized letdown in their next game. The heretofore winless Knicks proved the perfect trap game, and the Nets fell right…

  • [NYPost] Porzingis, Ntilikina propel Knicks past Nets for 1st win of season
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 6:11:07 PM)

    Finally a victoire — with a French twist. The Knicks, with a playmaking boost from their injury-riddled French rookie lottery pick, Frank Ntilikina, and a monster game from their franchise player, Kristaps Porzingis, finally tasted triumph. Porzingis busted out for 30 points and Ntilikina, in his return, played 20 electric minutes as the Knicks plastered…

  • [NYDN] Frank Ntilikina, Jarrett Jack, step up in Knicks win over Nets
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 10:03:20 PM)

    Lottery pick Frank Ntilikina wasn’t the only little-used point guard to make a difference in the Knicks’ first win of the season.

  • [NYDN] Knicks finally get first win of season with 107-86 rout of Nets
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 10:02:10 PM)

    The Knicks were looking up at everyone else in the league standings entering Friday’s home game against the Nets.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks beat Nets in Frank Ntilikina’s home debut; Kristaps Porzingis scores 30
    (Saturday, October 28, 2017 12:52:57 AM)

    Frank Ntilikina was hungry to get back on the court, and the Knicks looked like a team hungry for its first win of the season. They both left Madison Square Garden satisfied Friday night.

  • [NY Newsday] Listless Nets beaten on boards in third straight road loss
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 11:05:07 PM)

    After missing the Nets’ signature win over LeBron James and the Cavaliers on Wednesday night at Barclays Center, point guard D’Angelo Russell returned from his mildly sprained right knee to start against the Knicks on Friday night at Madison Square Garden. The Nets looked like a dramatically different team — but not in a good way.

  • [SNY Knicks] ‘French Prince’ Ntilikina shows glimpse of bright future in win over Nets
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 11:15:43 PM)

    Rookie Frank Ntilikina looked promising in his first win at Madison Square Garden Friday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks notch first win of season over Nets, 107-86, at The Garden
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 10:00:32 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis had 30 points and nine rebounds, and the New York Knicks beat the Brooklyn Nets 107-86 on Friday night for their first victory of the season.

  • [SNY Knicks] Frank Ntilikina activated, Jarrett Jack starting point guard against Nets
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 6:00:16 PM)

    Frank Ntilikina (sprained ankle) did not practice Monday, and is unlikely to play against the Celtics Tuesday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Tonight’s game: Knicks vs. Nets, 7:30 p.m.
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 6:30:32 PM)

    NEW YORK — The best and the worst offenses in the NBA will meet on Friday at Madison Square Garden when the Brooklyn Nets visit the New York Knicks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: What is wrong with the Knicks?
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 6:47:59 PM)

    The DNL panel debates the importance of Friday’s home game against the Nets at the Garden and whether Jeff Hornacek is in the hot seat.

  • [SNY Knicks] Are the Knicks the worst team in the NBA?
    (Friday, October 27, 2017 9:45:12 AM)

    In their three games, the Knicks are averaging losses by 15 PPG. The home opener against the Pistons where they only lost by four and scored 107 was a game where they blew a 21-point lead.

  • 36 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.10.28)”

    Saw genuine quality in the Knox’s last night.
    KP having a first-Knicks-year-Amare-like start, only it seems kind of effortless, where Amare’s seemed Herculean.

    He looks much, much stronger this year. He looks so much more confident.

    Frank looked smooth. His passing and defense were very good. Plenty of great guards made that their core. His rebounding will be solid too.
    His shot will come.
    Hardaway needs to get healthy. I think he’ll be fine.
    I know O’Quinn plays hard, but Willy is the future. He needs to be playing more.

    Fun game.

    First, Mr Jack, I’m sorry I doubted you. You played well.

    I wonder if 1 of Lee or Timmy needs to come off the bench.
    There has to be a way to get Billy more minutes. 13 last night isn’t enough; and that’s with Kanter only playing 16. Maybe next game we see none of Lance, less of Beasley and more of the bigs.

    KP had a terrific game, but there’s potential for him to be way more efficient. IMO, he’s not really comfortable in that #1 option role yet. He takes 3-4 bad shot per game. It’s sort of like now he think he’s supposed to take more shots, but he hasn’t totally figured out which ones yet so he forces some bad ones.

    Frank didn’t actually have such a great game, but he showed that he’s a good passer with good vision and will be effective on defense. As he gets more experience he’ll get the TOs and PFs down. I think now that he’s made some shots the nerves will settle also. It looks to me like we have real player here.

    What was the deal with Kanter? Did he get benched at one point for sucking on defense?

    About Frank, yeah, it’s not a great game per se, but as the de facto debut of a 19 year old French guard, it was impressive as hell.

    The video ras posted in the game thread pretty much shows he’s already the strongest defender in the backcourt and the shots started to fall with pretty nice form when he got more comfortable. Breen mentioned during the game that the ankle injury hinders his lateral movement, which were his worst moments on defense (getting blown by once or twice by Dinwiddie).

    I fully expect the Cavs to eviscerate us, but it was definitely a game full of positives.


    Horny went with O’Quinn super early and did seem pissed at his effort, but he did come back and play better in the 2nd half. I liked the minute distribution better with O’Quinn playing 18, Kanter 16 and Willy 13, since O’Quinn was doing a lot of work.

    Kristaps hasn’t been shooting 3’s well this season so far. He’s seemed a bit off balance on some of his shots to my non-expert eye.

    What was the deal with Kanter? Did he get benched at one point for sucking on defense?

    He got benched in the first half and Horny looked pretty pissed off with him, but he played well in the 3rd quarter

    Two thoughts:

    (1) The logjam is insane KP, WHG, KOQ, and Kanter (sorry but it’s true) are our four best players. If any of them was as good of a guard as they are a center, they’d be the best guard on the team by far.

    (2) McBuckets’ shot selection is nice. His TS%, 2pt FG %, and overall FG% are way above career averages.

    There was one play in particular where the Nets were in transition and Mozgov beat Kanter down the court and got an easy bucket. Kanter appeared to not be running hard. Hornacek immediately took him out for OQ and also appeared to turn around and yell at Kanter after he sat down.

    Breen at first wondered if Kanter maybe was hurt, as it appeared in the replay like he might be limping a bit. He sat the rest of the half but did start the 3rd and played much better.

    I think the combination of that sequence and Frank coming in sparked the defense, as after that everyone’s effort on D was excellent.

    Did anyone know about Pascal Siakam?

    Dude is sporting a .349 WS/48 and 30.1 PER in 15 mins. per game for the Raps.

    Mcdermott has been a real nice surprise so far even though he hasn’t shot the 3 well. If he keeps this up then he’d definitely be a piece we should keep going forward.

    Siakim was a mildly intriguing rookie-the Raptors like rolling the dice on raw prospects, and he played well enough last year that you could imagine him being a solid defensive big off the bench. Looks like he might have learned how to shoot 3’s in the offseason though.

    Siakam started for the Raptors in the beginning of last season, but after they made the Ibaka move he lost his place on the team, don’t know if he got injured or something… He had a very nice game last night.

    There was one play in particular where the Nets were in transition and Mozgov beat Kanter down the court and got an easy bucket. Kanter appeared to not be running hard.

    yeah it was this play:

    The Knicks need to be giving Frank Ntilikina and Doug McDermott 28+ minutes a night.

    mark it down – championship or bust for these knickerbockers…

    kp in the race for mvp, frank for roy, jack – comeback player of the year, and beasely 6th man…

    phil’s plans are finally coming to fruition…

    just kidding…it was nice to see them playing together and hustling on defense…looks like horny bought himself another game or two…


    To be fair, the Knicks have allowed great games to so many scrubs that it gets hard to evaluate sometimes.

    KOQ’s really been the Knicks best player so far- I hope the Knicks can get something useful for him and then let Kanter walk and resign him to a reasonable deal next year. Obviously I’d rather just trade Kanter but I can’t see that happening.

    KOQ is is pretty horrendous at guarding the perimeter. He left Acy open on like 4 straight plays last night.

    I think teams just don’t value him as guys on here do. I’d settle for two second rounders at the minimum.

    O’Quinn is a backup center and more or less what they refer to as a energy guy. He’s productive, but we aren’t going to get a good 1st round pick or quality starter for him. Maybe if we get lucky because some team has an injury and is a little desperate we could get a late 1st rounder for him but more more likely we’ll get an early 2nd rounder or another solid bench player that plays another position.

    I think O’Quinn’s best value is as a trade sweetener. In my opinion what the Knicks should do is to keep giving major minutes to Lee while looking actively to shop him. Many decent teams are in need of wings and they might get desperate enough to absorb Lee’s contract while he’s still productive, and O’Quinn can be thrown in the deal as a sweetener to fetch a better return on the deal. The Pelicans, Grizzlies, Clippers and maybe even the Wolves could all use someone like Lee.

    I dont see any team that actually could use O’Quinn for what he’s best giving up real assets for him, which is unfortunate.

    Yeah, OQ is not likely to yield a 1st rounder. He’s a very solid backup big, but if a 2nd can be gotten for him, or if he can be a sweetner in a deal for Lee, then do it. He’s very likely to opt out and see what he can get as a free agent, as he should.

    The Knicks are stuck with Noah, so might as well try to get 10-15 minutes per game out of him as a backup C. If Noah gets hurt yet again this year, then OQ could be pursued in the offseason.

    But for now, Willy and Kanter are the guys, and those two each need 20+ minutes per night. If by chance some team comes calling for Kanter and offers something interesting, go for that, too.

    What happened to the guy on here who was constantly berating Ntilikina and crying that we didn’t take the other point guard? Is he MIA?

    Its waaay too soon to start getting into “I told you so” back and forth about Frank. We just need to be patient, gather information, and be honest about his development. As for me, I am happy with what little we’ve seen. So far he’s been exactly what’s been advertised with the potential to be a lot more. I am just happy for that.

    So I’m dressed up as Eddy Curry. About to go out in Brooklyn. Wish me luck. Happy Halloween.

    Hey latke, we need pictures. You can’t tell us that you are dressing up as Eddy Curry without pics!

    @27 Its just that some were painting him as some fringe prospect when we spent a year scouting this guy. He can be a legit game breaker on defense.

    Ntilikina broke Brooklyn’s offense when he came into the game. They couldn’t get into their offense quickly and they totally fell apart because they’re absolute shit in a halfcourt game where their lack of size becomes a huge issue.

    That small video analyzing Frank’s defense had it spot on, everytime he was picking up his man early and bothering him, or if they tried to run any action he would keep his arms in the passing lanes, the Nets guards seemed completely lost on how to deal with it. Some of the situations were clear high IQ plays, of someone that understands where the offensive action is taking place and how to react to it.

    The next 3 games should be interesting forFrank Three teams that should be good this year, but two of them have terrible point guards

    While I was certainly impressed with Frank defensively against the Nets, especially in the first half, it’s worth mentioning that he also committed 3 fouls in the that half and his fouls per 36 stands at an even 6. And that’s while guarding Spencer Dinwiddy and Raymond Felton for the most part. The real test will come when he faces a good attacking point- or even an average one. Can he stay in front of quick guys without fouling? That’ll be the difference between being good (and he’s going to be great as a helper and get a ton of deflections so I think he’ll be plus on that end no matter what) and being great.

    If they play each other this week I imagine Harden will destroy Frank, but that’s how he’s going to learn

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