Knicks Morning News (2017.10.26)

  • [NYDN] Knicks’ performance, comments don’t reflect well on Jeff Hornacek
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:13:23 PM)

    Sure, 0-4 is worse than 0-3. But for Jeff Hornacek, the record isn’t nearly as bad as the noise coming out of his locker room.

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis unhappy with lack of fouls called on his shots
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:39:14 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis wants to hear more whistles go his way when players are trying to block his shot.

  • [NY Newsday] Tim Hardaway Jr. looks to shake slump for struggling Knicks
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:52:28 PM)

    As the Knicks continue to search for their first win, their main offseason pickup has been missing in action.

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis already is lobbying the referees
    (Thursday, October 26, 2017 12:32:12 AM)

    Kristaps Porzingis says he always gets back on defense. Except in one instance Tuesday in Boston when frustration got the best of him after he had a shot rejected. He thought — again — he was fouled and his disgust prevented him from retreating on defense. After Saturday’s loss to the Pistons, Porzingis also brought…

  • [NYPost] Rose: I’m enjoying ‘freedom’ I didn’t have with Knicks
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 11:40:36 PM)

    After one roller-coaster season with the dysfunctional, triangle-absorbed Knicks, point guard Derrick Rose is feeling comfortable in a brand new home. Why exactly? “[With the Cavaliers], I get to do whatever I want,” Rose said, before his team’s 112-107 loss to the Nets on Wednesday night at Barclays Center, though he sat with a sprained…

  • [NYPost] It’s time to change the Eric Bledsoe narrative
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 12:08:42 PM)

    Now that Eric Bledsoe is on his way out, the Suns have to figure out how to maximize the return for the frustrated guard. ESPN.com reported on Tuesday

  • [NYPost] Knicks whispers are growing about Jeff Hornacek’s offense
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:15:37 AM)

    The triangle is gone, but the Knicks still can’t seem to grasp Jeff Hornacek’s high-tempo offense. And that’s an awful sign for a Knicks coach hired by ousted Phil Jackson. Hornacek has blamed a short preseason for players not knowing the plays perfectly. He cracked before the season opener he wished he had “11 preseason…

  • [NYPost] What does Willy Hernangomez have to do to crack Knicks rotation?
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:47:27 AM)

    BOSTON — In case Jeff Hornacek didn’t notice, Juancho Hernangomez, the younger brother of Willy who plays for the Nuggets, tweeted out the numbers. With the club down 18 late in the third quarter, the out-of-the-rotation Willy Hernangomez emerged from the bench.

  • [SNY Knicks] Kristaps Porzingis says referees are missing foul calls
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:14:20 PM)

    Knicks big man Kristaps Porzingis is leading the team in points through the first three games of the season, but he believes that referees haven’t done enough to call fouls on opposing defenders.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks offense scuffling through first three games
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:48:01 PM)

    The Knicks have started the season with an 0-3 and have struggled on both ends of the floor, most notably on the offensive end.

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: Which Knick played worse vs. Boston?
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 5:58:14 PM)

    The DNL panel debates which Knicks player had a worse game against the Celtics on Tuesday night: Kristaps Porzingis or Tim Hardaway Jr?

  • [SNY Knicks] How Barack Obama’s brother-in-law wound up working for the Knicks
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 2:30:36 PM)

    Steve Mills and Robinson, Michelle Obama’s brother and Barack Obama’s brother-in-law, had been teammates at Princeton for two years and both graduated with degrees in sociology.

  • [SNY Knicks] David Stern in favor of removing marijuana from NBA’s ban list
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 1:20:53 PM)

    NBA commissioner David Stern is in favor of removing marijuana from the league’s banned substances list.

  • [SNY Knicks] Luke Kornet, Isaiah Hicks hoping to make most of two-way contracts
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:56:14 AM)

    Vanderbilt’s Luke Kornet and UNC’s Isaiah Hicks look to make the most out of their two-way contracts with the Knicks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Kyrie Irving had ‘a reason’ for including Knicks on list of potential landing spots
    (Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:10:07 AM)

    Before Kyrie Irving became a member of the Boston Celtics, he wasn’t sure where he’d end up this offseason as trade rumors swirled with his name after he requested a trade away from the Cavaliers.

  • 56 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.10.26)”

    If the Knicks don’t get their act together, the Nets are going to blow them out at the Garden. They have done an excellent job rebuilding given they traded away all their good picks. Once they get past that and can use decent 1st round picks to supplement what they are doing now they’ll be on the road to success.

    What I don’t get is, if “multiple teams are interested in KOQ”….why is he still here? love his play, but he’s our only tradable asset, and he’s gumming up the works.

    It’s going to get worse in 9 more games, when Noah comes back from his suspension. He plays D, and he needs minutes. Luckily, that will ease 4 games after than when Noah gets hurt.

    Crazy that the Nets got that win with effectively their third-string PG. How can you not be happy for them?

    @ 3 – maybe because they don’t want to move him or will only move him if the offer is really good? I mean, KQ is now the longest tenured Knick along with KP. He’s a Queens native. He does his job well and it seems like he doesn’t really complain about his minutes and is cool being a bench big man. And he’s on a good salary. He’s also not super old. The Knicks could in theory resign him for another 4 year contract at about the same salary and maybe they want to keep a guy that everyone likes and plays his role well? I mean, in an ideal world the Knicks move on from Noah and maybe Kanter too. So maybe their focus is more on highlighting Kanter so they can trade him and they’re looking to stretch Noah after this season and move forward with KP, Willie and KQ and maybe they are fine with Willie being the odd man out for now because they feel confident they can either trade Kanter or he won’t resign and they plan to stretch Noah, so long term this “glut” everyone is worried about isn’t going to be a problem.

    I’m just spitballing but that would be my guess. Not that they won’t trade him but they aren’t going to just trade him to trade him and they wouldn’t mind keeping him if they can work it out.

    BOS game was just what I’ve come to dread from NYK. Down double digits after 1, down 20+ by the middle of the second quarter. Game over early. Bad defense, blown assignments, turnover after turnover, and the cherry on top, KP and TH2 looking fucking catatonic with a combined 2-10 in the first half.

    I like the idea of a high pick but I hate watching them lose, especially with an uncompetitive effort, especially against BOS. It just puts a lump in my throat. It seems like more of the same. I thought at least we’d be able to score a bit, but we can’t even manage 90 points in a modern, wide open NBA with tons of possessions. In other words, it’s as bad as it gets right now.

    Here’s the only thing I’ll say. We have three new starters right now and other new players in the rotation. Melo was the focus of the offense and not having him has put us in a tail spin. Yes, we may suck after twenty games. I’m as fatalistic as the next guy, but there are actual excuses for why we suck at this moment and it could get better.

    Non basketball analogy. If I’m leading a band, a quintet, and I lose my drummer, bass player and keyboard player, that leaves me and one other musician I’ve worked with. Even if I replace them with better musicians it’s going to take quite a while before we’re playing comfortably and on instinct. In other words, we’re not winning any battle of the bands for the time being.

    So, though we’ve seen this movie before, maybe this team will start playing decent basketball before it’s all over. It’d be ironic if it cost us a chance to game the system and get a top three pick but at this point I’d like to think we have the pieces to beat some teams. Maybe, probably not, but maybe. If we don’t, at least we have our pick. Thanks Phil!

    Yea but the problem is more along the lines of not playing the type of music they want to play and that has been the old problem to use your musical reference.

    Hornacek is a competent coach I have no doubts although the. Rotations seem out of whack. Bottom line is that our big off season was primarily signing thjr and trading melo… we are in between the notes so to speak and dumping horns em would not be the right move AT ALL!

    He wants to run a fast paced offense then he needs 40-45 ppg from thjr and kp night in and night out. Simple as that.

    It’s really a different league when a guy like Kanter with his rebound rate and scoring efficiency (without any pick and roll plays being called in his favor) is deemed hard to trade. Defensive issues aside, there aren’t 5 bigs in the Eastern Conference better than Enes Kanter. The overrated ass Wizards could definitely use Kanter.

    I really feel like our atrocious guard play is the reason the Knicks have been losing so badly. McDermott, KP, and front court have been giving us good minutes. Ron Baker might have a nice plus minus and some sneaky stats but he is unable to run an offense because he cannot penetrate a defense. We need a guy like Tim Frazier or Ish Smith. Luke Kornet and the other kid are wasted two-way contracts because 72 of our possible 96 minutes at 4 and 5 belong to Willy and KP as soon as next season. We needed Chasson Randle, Wade Baldwin, and Isaiah Briscoe instead on those deals. This back roster mismanagement is the type of Knicks behavior that pisses me off. Teams like the Spurs get Bryn Forbes off the back of their roster and they become rotation pieces. We need to stop with the ineptitude.

    Hornacek’s offense isn’t the problem. Ramon Sessions and Tim Hardaway Jr need to play better. Hornacek is going to take the heat but it’s not his fault those guys have been dreadful.

    @ 8 – its insane to me how bad Knicks guards have been for the last 17 years. I mean even during the 90s our guard play was weaker than our front court but at least we had Starks and later Houston and steady hands like Ward.

    The best guards we’ve had was the 54 win team that had JR Smith, Shumpert, Kidd, Pablo and Felton. And they were basically just dependable with JR and Shump being the more dynamic of that lot. But besides that one year its been absolute DOO DOO except for Marbury. Really pathetic. I guess it should be better now but Frank has been hurt so we have no idea if we have anything with him yet.

    Guards need to be the focus. Our D-League call ups, when we pick someone off the waiver wire, our draft picks…guards guards guards! Oh and a 3.

    We have 3 players with an above average WS/48. We have 3 players with a positive BPM. We have 4 players with an above average WP/48. They all play the same position (center) or are Doug McDermott. 3 games obviously says very little about how the team is going to play going forward, but it isn’t surprising. Our guard/wings should play better going forward, and I think we can rely on our centers being good, so we should expect to get somewhat better.

    Good podcast this AM from Nate Duncan with Dylan Murphy, who used to run a website called hoopchalk which was awesome and then has done some coaching in the d-league. They did a bit about tanking and what Murphy thinks about it now, and he said he knows it’s the best strategy to build a team but that constant losing (and especially an institutional effort to lose) just destroys a team from the inside out. All you have to do is see what happened to Eric Bledsoe, who basically forgot how to play hard.

    Now it doesn’t seem to have bothered Durant, and so far doesn’t seem like it’s bothered the Sixers. But it’s still something to think about.

    We are going to get blown out by the Nets tomorrow.

    In the true spirit of Knickerblogger snap judgments, I’m going to go ahead and call Donovan Mitchell a bust (I believe some Kbloggers were advocating drafting him.)

    5 games, rocking a putrid .318 TS. Yikes.

    We suck in transition and give up lots of 3s, so the Nets definitely seem like a less than ideal matchup. The Nets don’t look like they play much defense though, so it might be a good game to get some of our backcourt/wing guys going.

    KP:

    I would get in the pick-and-roll and they wouldn’t switch right away, they were switching later on and I’ve just got to get in the post and the other big has to be ready to come off and we’ve got to have the right spacing quickly to use that to our advantage.

    This happened a lot with Kanter, and not just pnr, but back door cuts, everything really where you’d want to have created space underneath. Hoping that changes with more familiarity with the offense but honestly if he sees KP setting up for a pnr at the top of the key it should be the obvious move for any center to try and pull his man out towards the elbow or something to create that space. Almost all our pnrs end up with 2 Knicks facing 3 defenders.

    That being said, I don’t ever want to see Jarret Jack on the court.

    There’s gotta be somebody in Westchester we can call up.

    Donovan Mitchell actually has a higher useage rate (.28) than his e FG% (.27). That is some feat.

    mitchell’s issues in college was finishing at the rim… esp in traffic… and he has jamal crawford esque shot selection… and quite possibly alot worse….

    he’s very good in a lot of other areas so he just needs to learn to get smarter and tone things down… but i don’t think he’ll be starting caliber…

    man, gonna miss girardi…maybe not the most “personable” guy, but a genuinely good person whom did a great job as a manager…wish they had kept him…

    been having a chance to watch some of the lakers game…good, fun young team…

    can’t wait until we can say the same about the knicks…

    “I’d love to ask Sam Hinkie who he would have chosen between Fultz and Ball.”

    Fultz, because he’s injured, of course.

    I liked Mitchell (not as much as Smith Jr.) but yeah, he has sucked. Hopefully Ntilikina won’t trip on the stairs on the way into the Garden tomorrow night and fans can actually see him on the court and not just on the side of a building on their way in.

    I watched quite a few Jazz games and Mitchell’s shot selection is incredibly poor. He loves going for weird one hand floaters which never go in, which is an indicative I think of his inability to finish in traffic and around the rim.

    Lonzo, who has also been disappointing in terms of scoring, at least has shown some craftiness and he’s definitely a clever passer and rebounder. I think he’ll be a .500 ts% guy in his first years but I’m still betting he’ll be really good. The defense concerns me a bit tho.

    I recall it being said that Mitchell was strictly a two-footed jumper, which isn’t great for finishing in traffic when you’re 6’3″. Although with that TS%, maybe he should try using his two feet to shoot and jump off his hands.

    Mitchell’s role on that Jazz team needs to change. He’s second on the team in FGA and he is single-handedly destroying their offense. Dude needs to slow his roll.

    Frank better get close to 15 minutes tomorrow. We are too horrible at PG to not give him a shot to win the job ASAP.

    Mitchell’s role on that Jazz team needs to change. He’s second on the team in FGA and he is single-handedly destroying their offense. Dude needs to slow his roll.

    The Jazz don’t have much offense. Coming in it was pretty clear that scoring was going to be a major issue. They were 28th last year and they lost Gordon Hayward and George Hill. I love Rubio but he’s not a scorer.

    its insane to me how bad Knicks guards have been for the last 17 years.

    I still can’t get over that we out-bid Chicago for Mike D’Antoni, all he asked for was a PG to be the engine of his offense, and all we could do for him was Chris Duhon, Ray Felton, and a ball-hogging SF to build a team around. (So sad!)

    Until I actually see him with my own eyes, I’m calling Frank Sasquatch. I’ve been reading about sightings of him for the past 2 years in France, but I haven’t seen shit and am starting to believe he may not exist.
    Or, maybe the Lochness Monster? And if he does really exist and his defensive prowess is for real, he can then become the Lockdown Monster?

    Lonzo, who has also been disappointing in terms of scoring, at least has shown some craftiness and he’s definitely a clever passer and rebounder. I think he’ll be a .500 ts% guy in his first years but I’m still betting he’ll be really good. The defense concerns me a bit tho.

    I think Lonzo, in the end, will be a very good player, but he is looking a lot like Michael Carter Williams in his early years.

    He’s doing a little bit of everything and flirting with triple doubles, but the shooting and turnovers are just eye bleeding awful.

    Oh my goodness, you guys, Michael Carter Williams was a 22 year old rookie. Lonzo turned 20 last week.

    We’re in the 1st week of the season and y’all are talking like stats in that small of a sample mean anything at all.

    I get that the Knicks are terrible and we want to feel good that other teams have bad players too, but saying that Mitchell is a bust and Ball is MCW debases everything.

    There’s this 36 minute video of Luka Doncic’s FIBA Tournament and I can’t help but wonder if Doncic’s athleticism will translate. He plays the game like a two way James Harden and that’s really enticing, but that all starts with the ability to consistently beat your man off the dribble.

    If Doncic doesn’t prove he is able to physically dominate a basketball game, then he will not be drafted over Michael Porter Jr, Mo Bamba, and Marvin Bagley III. That’s pretty encouraging considering that this team will not be this bad all year. MPJr and Doncic should be 1A and 1B on the Knicks’ draft board.

    Yeah, MCW is a bit too much. I think Ball will be very good, he’s just adjusting and playing tons of minutes because of the hype / the Lakers suck.

    I sure hope scouts get super scared by Doncic’ s athleticism cause he’s european and he drops to the Knicks.

    Gotta love the hot takes in week one of the season. Not just here, but NBA wide. That 20 game mark in my mind is really when we know what is up with the league.

    TBH I haven’t been able to watch much of the Knicks so far (maybe a good thing?). Looking purely at a box score perspective front court seems to be doing okay, but guard play looks dreadful (also based on the helpful KP analysis from posters). It sucks Willy hasn’t been seen much, but smart move showcasing KO and Kanter early. Nothing torpedo’s a players value like nailing him to the bench. I do appreciate the sentiment that if we are going to suck, then play the kids though.

    Long and short is we expected this team to be pretty sub-par. Given the schedule (only team we should have had any business beating was Detroit), our start to the season isn’t too unexpected. Here’s hoping Hornacek and co. get it together so the games are at least watchable.

    I think the Jason Kidd comparisons to Ball are pretty good at least on the offensive end. I think Ball will be Jason Kidd with terrible defense. Which is a good player but not a great one. I believe he will always struggle with finishing around the rim and his 3 point shooting will be great as a spot up shooter but only average off the dribble. He will be an amazing passer, especially in transition and his rebounding will be very good. He will however give a lot of that back defensively because he does not have the lateral quickness to be terribly effective and will peak at below average defensively.

    I get that the Knicks are terrible and we want to feel good that other teams have bad players too, but saying that Mitchell is a bust and Ball is MCW debases everything.

    DW, I was being somewhat sarcastic about Mitchell being a bust, kind of mocking the tendency to rush to judgment on this site. None of us knows how any of these guys are going to turn out, who knows, Fultz may still be the best of all of them once the dust settles.

    Oh my goodness, you guys, Michael Carter Williams was a 22 year old rookie. Lonzo turned 20 last week.

    We’re in the 1st week of the season and y’all are talking like stats in that small of a sample mean anything at all.

    I just said that he will be a very good player…

    And MCW got like 3 triple doubles in his first season.

    I think the Jason Kidd comparisons to Ball are pretty good at least on the offensive end. I think Ball will be Jason Kidd with terrible defense. Which is a good player but not a great one. I believe he will always struggle with finishing around the rim and his 3 point shooting will be great as a spot up shooter but only average off the dribble

    The difference is that if Lonzo can learn to shoot NBA 3s is that he takes (and probably will continue to take) a lot more 3’s than Kidd. It took Kidd 4 years to crack .500TS%. Young Kidd was probably helpful to his teams offense back then because he was a tremendous fast break generator, but he was in his mid-30s before he was an efficient scorer. So I think Lonzo could be a better player than Kidd was on offense, while still helping his teams get easy buckets with his rebounding and passing. But he’ll never be anything close to the defender Kidd was.

    @31 – This.

    Frank may turn out to be really good. I hope like he’ll he does, but there is no way to get around that his lack of actually being on the court has been disappointing. He will not be useful or get any better until he plays consistent minutes. Until then we have no idea what we have.

    Frank doesn’t even have to be good. He just has to post a positive WS/48 to be an improvement over what we have.

    He just has to post a positive WS/48 to be an improvement over what we have.

    That’s actually really hard for rookie guards to do, apparently.

    Anybody watching this Boston v Milwaukee game? Kyrie Irving transformed himself into a two way player. Maybe being on the Cavaliers was really holding him back.

    A very underrated part of basketball is the game played between the ears. If Lonzo is anywhere near as transcendent as Kidd on the offensive end, he’ll figure out the defensive end too. He’s plenty big, fast and athletic enough to be really good. Maybe not Jason Kidd good, but most of Jason Kidd’s greatness was between the ears, not based on athletic talent.

    Yeah, Ball will be fine; he’ll figure it out, especially when LeBron goes there next year.

    Irving’s shooting has been great this game, better than the putrid start he had, but I’m still not convinced. He’s playing with a much better coach and an overall better defensive team, that does help a lot tho, and Milwaukee has zero threatening guards to exploit his weaknesses.

    @36

    Gotta love the hot takes in week one of the season. Not just here, but NBA wide. That 20 game mark in my mind is really when we know what is up with the league.

    Some of the takes are more like supernovas. Sometimes even 20-25 games can be deceptive. It is a long season, and da Knicks be tankin.

    I seem to recall the Knicks being like 14-11 last year. How’d they end up?

    Jerian Grant still isn’t good and he’d be the best PG on the Knicks by a country mile

    The Knicks are currently at the top of the tank as the only team in the NBA without a win.

    I’m pretty sure the Raptors were #1 in ORtg last year for the first twenty games. It was hurting my brain because DeMar DeRozan takes really dumb shots all the time.

    And the Clippers are 4-0, Blake is completely on fire, just hit a game winning 3 over the Blazers in Portland.

    Guess he really wants to prove he can be the man.

    The Knicks are currently at the top of the tank as the only team in the NBA without a win.

    Go Knicks?

    even a coach of the year like Pop or Spo will struggle with this roster
    didn’t win any pre-season games
    still early though… but then the next potential win will be against Phoenix team that has been playing better since Watson was let go

    The Nets will almost certainly beat us because they will outhustle us and physically intimidate us. We don’t have a single physically imposing player on the team. We’re a bunch of somewhat talented nice guys who don’t like to mix it up in the b-ball trenches, or aren’t suited for it. We have no answer for hustle/banger type wings…guys like Booker, H-J, and Carroll, and less so Crabbe and LeVert. As Kobe put it, we are softer than m-f-in’ Charmin. We are gonna be physically overmatched almost every night.

    The one guy who likes to bang is Baker. Maybe WHG and O’Quinn, , but they’re both C’s and a little slow on the uptake when it comes to dealing with physical fast wings. Maybe Dotson and Frank, but they’re guards and so green they probably will not be able to stay on the court.

    And then there’s Noah. If healthy, he has to play if the team wants to even have a chance to win vs. teams like the Nets. But hey, who wants to win?

    Our only chance tonight is to get crazy hot while the Nets are ice cold. Maybe THjr snaps out of his funk, or KP goes off for 40, but I doubt it makes a difference.

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