Knicks Morning News (2017.10.21)

  • [NYDN] Ntilikina injures ankle, helped off court during Knicks practice
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 9:56:38 PM)

    Knicks rookie Frank Ntilikina notched another injury on his increasingly long list by spraining his ankle at the end of Friday’s practice.

  • [NYDN] Porzingis waiting to change as deal extension eligibility looms
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 12:17:48 PM)

    When Kristaps Porzingis was about 13 years old, his brother asked about his motivation for playing basketball.

  • [NYDN] NBA All-Stars who debuted against former team after trade request
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 11:14:08 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony finally got his chance at payback against the same organization that put him through “hell” last year.

  • [NY Newsday] Frank Ntilikina injures left ankle in practice
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 7:37:42 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — It was a painful sight.

  • [SNY Knicks] Melo expecting cheers, not boos in return to The Garden
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 8:00:48 PM)

    Thunder F Carmelo Anthony isn’t worried about hearing boos from Knicks fans in his return to Madison Square Garden in December.

  • [SNY Knicks] MSU’s Miles Bridges would be ‘extremely excited’ to be drafted by Knicks
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 5:21:30 PM)

    Michigan State’s Miles Bridges will be excited if the Knicks draft him next June.

  • [SNY Knicks] Frank Ntilikina suffers apparent ankle injury
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 4:13:14 PM)

    Knicks rookie PG Frank Ntilikna suffered an apparent left ankle injury during practice on Friday and was helped off the court.

  • [SNY Knicks] Willy Hernangomez barely played during season opener
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 1:15:50 PM)

    With the Knicks preaching on their youth and rebuilding, it’s foolish for a guy like Hernangomez to not be the first center off the bench when Enes Kanter sits.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks sign Isaiah Hicks to two-way contract
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 11:15:03 AM)

    The Knicks signed former UNC power forward Isaiah Hicks to a two-way contract, the team announced Friday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis scores 31, blocks Anthony in Knicks’ season-opening loss
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 10:15:00 AM)

    Knicks forward Kristaps Porzingis scored 31 points, brought down 12 rebounds and recorded a block of former teammate Carmelo Anthony in Thursday’s season-opening 105-84 loss at Chesapeake Energy Arena.

  • [SNY Knicks] Carmelo Anthony reflects on his time in NYC
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 9:00:27 AM)

    Thunder F Carmelo Anthony opened up after Thursday night’s game about the trade that sent him from the Knicks to Oklahoma City.

  • [NYPost] Has lifetime Knicks fan Rapaport switched over to the dark side?
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 8:44:43 PM)

    Apparently the mess in the Garden really was too much for actor/comedian Michael Rapaport. The longtime Knicks superfan and Manhattan native looks like he’s really crossed over, sitting courtside Friday night for the Nets’ 126-121 home opening win over Orlando at Barclays Center. “I’m glad to see Brooklyn doing good,” Rapaport told the Post. After…

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ logjam at center is already a subplot to watch
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 5:38:53 PM)

    After Willy Hernangomez made the All-Rookie first team last year, there were high expectations for the Knicks big man entering this season. But in a crowded frontcourt, the 23-year-old still is competing to see the floor at all. During the season-opening loss Thursday at Oklahoma City, Hernangomez checked in during garbage time, logging four total…

  • [NYPost] Porzingis’ biggest fear before his headlining Broadway debut
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 3:19:12 PM)

    The face of the Knicks is ready. Ready to take the big stage under the bright lights at Madison Square Garden. Ready to meet his exuberant fan base for the first time this season. Ready to keep shouldering the load. “I’m excited,” 22-year-old Kristaps Porizingis said of the home opener Saturday against the Pistons. “The…

  • [NYPost] Frank Ntilikina suffers painful ankle injury at Knicks practice
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 12:22:06 PM)

    Knicks practice took a turn for the worst on Friday, when rookie guard Frank Ntilikina went down with an apparent ankle injury. During a competitive game of 4-on-4, Ntilikina hobbled off the floor before going to the ground, clutching his left ankle. He was clearly in a lot of pain and stayed down for several…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo: No reason for Knicks fans to boo me at MSG
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 11:29:54 AM)

    OKLAHOMA CITY — Carmelo Anthony said the “chapter is closed’’ on his Knicks stint with Thursday’s 105-84 victory. However, there may be one more page — Dec. 16, when Anthony and the Thunder visit the Garden for the first time since the trade. The Garden reaction to the return of Anthony, always a lightning rod, will…

  • [NYPost] Frank Ntilikina is Knicks’ only hope at point guard
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 8:52:29 AM)

    OKLAHOMA CITY — The Knicks point-guard dilemma looked as bad as advertised in the season opener, a 105-84 loss to the Thunder and Carmelo Anthony. Neither Ramon Sessions, Ron Baker nor French rookie Frank Ntilikina could do a thing. In Ntilikina’s case, it was understandable. After missing summer league, Ntilikina missed the final four preseason games…

  • [NYTimes] Rockets Fear Chris Paul Could Miss a Month With Knee Injury
    (Friday, October 20, 2017 9:32:16 PM)

    Paul has been officially ruled out of the Rockets’ home opener Saturday night with a bruised knee.

  • 58 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.10.21)”

    That bum Dennis Schroeder had 25 points vs. Kemba Walker last night. Kemba must be as bad as DSjr!

    That bum Dennis Schroeder had 25 points vs. Kemba Walker last night. Kemba must be as bad as DSjr!

    TJ Leaf and Luke Kennard with good games last night. This could be one hell of a draft class!

    Dennis Smith is injured and will be out for 2 games?!? Who would’ve thunk it???

    Ha, I would like to say I like Smith’s game and would very much root for him on the Knicks, but one can not deny that his injury history is a concern.

    Lonzo almost with a triple double. The Suns are a balm for any stat line, including Kuzma, who was a -18 despite going 6-7.

    What is Chandler doing on that team? He should be on a contender.

    chandler is done. maybe he isn’t trying (often looks like it) but his defense has been gonzo for at least a year. you could stick an adopted 7’ plumlee with that group of sloppy suns and they’d get just as many easy putbacks and boards.

    Well, since u asked, I predict that by New Year’s Day, Frank will be tearing up the G-league, although that’s not a given.

    Lonzo did get blocked 6 times, which is not exactly good.

    Phoenix might go 0-82. That team is atrocious.

    @3 just a reminder that 5 year olds don’t understand sarcasm

    Cant believe the line tonight is only -2

    Lonzo is one of the most interesting players I can remember. His passing and pushing are game changers. He looks like he’ll be a great rebounding pg. he’s got lots of defensive weaknesses, but strengths too. he’s pretty savvy for a kid and knows how to use his length. but yeah he’s such an awkward finisher right now. Not just at the rim but also his floater.

    I tend to think he’ll figure it out enough so that they can’t just open the lane to him like he’s Anthony morrow, but even if not I think he’s a really good player.

    I mean, Brandon Ingram, who still doesnt look like a NBA player, scored 25 in 14 shots against the Suns. Lonzo did look good a lot of times, he made many smart passes, fought for rebounds and kept turnovers relatively under control. You can see the talent is most definitely there.

    I think Tyson’s body is kinda done and he has given up on defense, there’s no way he can handle all the bullshit the Suns guards allow to get past them. He still rebounds well and does his thing on offense, but it’s far too much on D for him to handle at this stage of his career. Plus it’s not like hes getting many attempts to finish at the rim with Booker and Bledsoe running the show.

    hope there is no real issue there, but DSJ having swelling in the post-ACL tear knee seems no bueno to me 1 game into his NBA career.

    Meanwhile I nearly fell for an Ian Begley impostor on twitter saying Frank was out for the year with an ankle fracture. I have no idea why someone would make up fake rumors. It just doesn’t seem very fun to me.

    The Pistons looked ok last night against the Wizards, Reggie Jackson is still Reggie Jackson and the team generally lacks talent, but a Avery Bradley is providing a lot for their team. He instantly became their best shooter + best defender and the impact is certainly noticeable.

    It should be a Knicks loss, but it was a long and tough game last night and the Knicks are going to be more rested and (hopefully) prepared for the home opener.

    Real good test for us. Avery Bradley is my favorite defensive guard in the NBA, I think the Celts never should have let him go. In fact, I hated the Hayward moves, they should have gotten PG and kept AB and JC. Bradley will have a huge impact for the Pistons.

    Should we have drafted Dennis Smith Jr on the premise that he refused to give us access to his medical records? I understand not liking the Frank pick, but saying “we should have taken DSJr instead” is just blindly ignoring the facts. If I were making the pick I would have taken one of Kennard or Mitchell. He didn’t give us access to his records and 1 game into his career his surgically repaired knee is giving him trouble. Mind you not all doctors are created equally and he wasn’t a professional athlete with access to the best physicians when he got surgery. Passing on Dennis Smith Jr, whether or not his knees hold up for a decade, was the right thing to do. He is an amazing leader with Derrick Rose’s landing technique.

    Please stop comparing Frank, who seems to be his own brand of fragile (he’s also the youngest player in the NBA), to Dennis Smith who didn’t even work out for the Knicks after he told us we couldn’t access his files. He was scratched off our draft board and deemed an injury risk.

    My biggest takeaway from the first week is that half the teams in the NBA play no defense. How maNY teams have scored over 115!?!?

    The fact that Dennis Smith Jr didn’t want to give NY his medical records says one of two things.

    1. He had something to hide.
    2. He didn’t want to play for NY (I don’t know if other teams had access to those records)

    It’s certainly possible the knee was fine and he didn’t want to play for NY because Phil was still around and NY was still on a path to play the triangle. But still, I don’t see how you can draft a player coming off ACL surgery unless you are fully informed about his health. Drafting him would have been a firing worthy offense unless he dropped far enough down where you felt the potential rewards outweighed the lack of knowledge. That was not the case at all for NY who was debating Nitti, Monk, and Smith and like them all similarly. At that point, the unknown medical history was disqualifying.

    These things happen. KP refused to work for the 76ers hoping to drop down to NY.

    @bobneptune – I loved the “can’t play three dimensional chess or solve the Kobyashi Maru simulation” Star Trek references from yesterday, good stuff. That made me smile.

    Regarding Frank, it is hard to be optimistic at the moment. He missed virtually the entire preseason and played only 8 minutes in game 1 and didn’t look good in my estimation. Considering how little he’s actually been on the court in games the idea he can come in, play the point, and run the show any time soon seems ridiculous. He hasn’t played enough to learn the offense, mesh with his teammates, know where and when to get them the ball, etc…Add in all of the injuries and it doesn’t look good. At 19 with young legs he should be able to play all day every day. I think it’s reasonable to expect the 8th pick in the draft to contribute and gain experience in the first year.It’s hard to be anything but disappointed at this point. I hope he turns out to be good, the Knicks (and us fans) desperately need some talent. The jury is still out.

    It’s going to be near impossible to out tank the Suns this year, they look just G League so far.

    Should we have drafted Dennis Smith Jr on the premise that he refused to give us access to his medical records?

    I don’t know. we elected a dude president who refused to give us his taxes

    TGHR, anyone that’s been paying attention knows that I was perfectly OK with not drafting DSjr after that refusal, or due to overall injury risk. I would have been thrilled with Mitchell, and ok with some others. However, I felt strongly that there was too little evidence to support picking Frank that high. His game film was very telling for me. Obviously if Smith’s knee is shot, it’s a different discussion. But you and many others felt that EVEN WITHOUT INJURY that Frank would be a better player, and that he was a better pick than Mitchell. Some thought he would be better than some guys drafted above him.

    Regarding Frank, it is hard to be optimistic at the moment. He missed virtually the entire preseason and played only 8 minutes in game 1 and didn’t look good in my estimation. Considering how little he’s actually been on the court in games the idea he can come in, play the point, and run the show any time soon seems ridiculous. He hasn’t played enough to learn the offense, mesh with his teammates, know where and when to get them the ball, etc…Add in all of the injuries and it doesn’t look good

    Considering the alternatives at PG (Sessions and Baker) I have no problem with Frank learning on the job. And I still think it’s way too early to pass judgment on the guy.

    “It’s too early to pass judgement on the guy.”

    Agree, that’s why I added “the jury is still out” (i.e. we don’t know yet).
    I’m saying it doesn’t look good So Far.

    @23

    Damn, I’m already overexcited watching Simmons play for Philly, if they had KP instead of Jah it would be one of the higher ceiling teams ever.

    Even if Frank had not sprained his ankle, I still think the Knicks should be trying to find another young PG with some decent upside (not a blue chipper) to acquire to pair with Frank going forward. Even if Sessions plays better than he did vs. OKC from here on out, I think that if he is still playing major minutes come January that the season has gone bad.

    I see Ron as more of a combo guard/3rd PG. With Frank hurt, Ron should get lots of minutes in the near future, of course. But still…

    Any team out there maybe have an extra young PG that they might be willing to deal with the Knicks for as part of a trade for OQ and/or Lee and/or 2nd round pick?

    I see Ron as more of a combo guard/3rd PG.

    I see Ron as playing in Europe sometime around fall 2019

    I’m saying it doesn’t look good So Far.

    Yeah…. So far is exactly ONE game…..

    I honestly do not get the hyperventilating over a guy who clashed knees twice 3 months a part and then landed on WHG’s foot yesterday. I mean Jesus!

    Is it fair to say that some liked a half dozen different players over Frank at the 8 spot…. certainly, but EVERYBODY please admit these proclamations of authority are made on the basis of 10 minutes of yootube videos and not much else! Comparable French League stats? What’s the sample size on 18 yr olds?

    I mean we’ve had KP here for 2 full NBA seasons and nobody has any idea what he is…. but Frank… ZOMG his trade value sucks today!

    I don’t have the foggiest idea what his career is goink to look like and neither do ANY of your due to your lack of INFORMATION. But please pontificate onward and upward.

    er
    June 23, 2016 at 9:32 am
    Insane. Derrick Rose and a 2 is better than a low 1. especially if it’s a high 2 which we expect. Haha I can’t wait til all the crow is being eaten on this site. The Knicks are a couple players away from being the 2 seed again next year while still having major flexibility. The same flexibility that was being bitched about for years
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    er
    June 23, 2016 at 9:46 am
    @18 everything is not ts. Rose’s penetration is sooo valuble. If he keeps getting stronger his drive and kick game will be so great for the team. Phil will pick up some shooters as well.

    Like I said yesterday how do u stop Melo and KP at the 4 and 5 with Roses penetration? How? You don’t think this will be his motivated season of his career? Don’t be slaves to past stats ppl. He was bad last year but he had a broken fucking face for most of the year.

    Rose will be comeback player of the year (if that’s a thing)

    Def 2 seed potential next year. Maybe even 1 seed if Cleveland sleeps through season. Remember me. I’m calling it like Jowels always did.
    I can’t wait to see the team in action.
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    er
    June 23, 2016 at 12:12 pm
    Melo is also confirmed to go to the olympics. The previous 2 times he’s gone…he had his two of his 3 best professional seasons. The other being 2013

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    er
    June 23, 2016 at 1:06 pm
    Frank I’m with you except that I think that this is a good to great deal. Idc what kind of fucking negativity reins in here. This is the best transaction Phil has made.

    —————-JK47
    June 23, 2016 at 3:01 pm
    I can’t wait to see everybody’s ridiculous rationalizations when Phil’s next big signing is Joakim Noah.

    Well so far also includes the entire preseason too and likely at least several more games coming up now that he’s hurt again.

    Your best ability is your availability

    I can’t wait to see everybody’s ridiculous rationalizations when Phil’s next big signing is Joakim Noah.

    And indeed the ridiculous rationalizations soon followed

    @2 18 proved yourself to be an even bigger dweeb than I thought.

    Second I admit when I’m wrong and I said all year last year I was wrong about Rose

    3rd kp doesn’t play the 5 and Melo didn’t play the 4

    4th that was before Phil blew his load on jakim Noah and I lost all faith in phil. But yeah thanks for the old posts.

    You’re always wrong, and yet you continue to insult people, and even worse, talk down to them, who disagree with you on a daily basis. It’s tiresome.

    @39

    Be careful, you’re clearly twisting his words!

    The Pelicans just signed Jameer Nelson, a signing that actually makes sense for them! I’m baffled. I dont think I’ve ever watched a team with playoff aspirations be so incredibly bad 1-2-3 like they were in this two first games with Holiday, Moore and Cunningham, and I’m glad the Knicks never even considered Holiday ever.

    But yeah thanks for the old posts.

    no, er–

    thank you for the old posts

    Sucks about Frank but man people just need to shut up and wait. He’s 18. The injuries he’s had so far are not major. Just typical bang ups that happen in the NBA for everybody. I imagine the Knicks are being extra cautious with this kid because he is the youngest player in the NBA right now. There is soooo much time for him to ease into the NBA and make an impact. We live in a world where everyone wants a right or wrong answer RIGHT NOW but it doesn’t work like that.

    I hope he plays some tomorrow but if not, I’m good with that. I mean, its good for the tank, right? 🙂

    While I agree that it’s too early to pass “final” judgment, it’s certainly not to early to discuss his potential in light of his Euro stats and film. It truly boggles my mind that anyone can objectively look at that film and his Euro stats and deduce that he’s a star in the making. He has a nice jumper, good court vision and excellent defensive tools. But that’s it. His handle is methodical, he rarely seems to go north and south with any burst, he rarely finishes in a polished manner, he rarely uses his left hand to finish. His stats are very questionable. It’s not about 5 minutes of game action or a preseason cameo or the injuries. It’s about hundreds of minutes of Euro video and stats. But that must be too hard for resident genius bobneptune to process.

    But hey, I guess it’s not too early to put up a gigantic mural of his likeness outside the Garden! At least Doc Gooden won a few games before they did that for him!

    we fired phil… i think one or two weeks after the draft…. presumably if we fired phil when we should have.. like right after the season… i’m pretty sure smith would have been open to joining the knicks then….

    one thing with lonzo ball that’s concerning so far is that he’s just not really good driving to the rim… which was evident in college but the insane .700+ 2p fg on 4 attempts per 40 masked… this is why TS% is more like BS% when judging prospects… i bet dollars to donuts he’s more rubio than jason kidd…. which is still a fine player but probably disappointing for most….

    Is anybody really calling Frank a “star in the making”? This seems like kind of a straw man argument. At most people seem to be taking a wait and see approach.

    I honestly have no idea what the hell kind of player the dude is.

    You’re always wrong, and yet you continue to insult people, and even worse, talk down to them, who disagree with you on a daily basis. It’s tiresome

    I only insult the ones who deserve it. There are plenty of people here I have never insulted and who I disagree alot with…(DRED comes to my mind quickly) and I rarely insult jowles, and when I do its in jest. And he is the person I probably disagree with the most.

    As far as talking down to anyone, I don’t think I’ve ever done that except to Ras because I don’t even know him and I don’t like him.

    And about being wrong It doesn’t matter, I don’t get paid for this. What I do get paid for I get right and I am rewarded nicely for it. So yeah I been plenty wrong about the knick’s and that’s probably because I am too close to them and want them to win badly and I thought with Melo we could have actually been a solid team again but alas we did not

    @46

    Haven’t you heard, thinking Ntilikina was a better pick than Smith and being excited about his potential = wanting to hang banners of him in his rookie season!

    Since every thread is going to be about all this every time anyway, I’ll bring the other topic: Melo is still (below) league-average! Hit me.

    Horacek said willy needs to improve his defense to play. Has he watched Kanter…. or nah?

    @49

    That’s unbelievable. Did he say it to the media directly or did a reporter quote him?

    One has to wonder how capable he is if he can watch Kanter get destroyed every single possession and still come up with this bs.

    @35

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Anyone who writes that kind of drivel should have their basketball card taken away from them and refrain from commenting on the state of this team in the future. My god, I don’t think it was any more possible to be wrong in 5 posts.

    As far as talking down to anyone, I don’t think I’ve ever done that except to Ras because I don’t even know him and I don’t like him.

    The fact is that with your posting history you should refrain to talking down to anyone anytime. I can say without a trace of hyperbole that I’d be embarrassed with myself as a basketball fan if I wrote half the crap you were just quoted by 2FOr18 as writing. My god, the fact that this history of horrendous analysis hasn’t stopped you from doubting yourself is a testament to the self-delusionary power of selection bias.

    It’s about hundreds of minutes of Euro video and stats. But that must be too hard for resident genius bobneptune to process.

    No one called him a star in the making Mr Straw man. And how many here have watched 100’s of minutes of film on him…. seriously! We’ve watched 1000’s of minutes of KP in the NBA and don’t have any Idea if he plays to a ,120 or a .200 ws/48 for his career. But you’ve watched some yoootube vids and you know…. got it!

    And…. oh…. wait for it…. 7 minutes in the NBA!!!!! Calling Johnny Cochran!!!!

    He’s like a snot nose child

    ….Who reminds you of how ineptly dumb your posts are.

    That’s the real source of contention.

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