2017-18 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Pistons

The Knicks have their first home game of the season tonight as they host the 1-1 Detroit Piston at the Garden.

Frank Ntilikina sadly will not play tonight after injuring his ankle during practice (he apparently landed on Willy Hernangomez’s foot and it turned his ankle). Hopefully the injury is not too severe.

Also hopefully Willy actually, you know, plays tonight?

And hopefully we get to see KP feast again. KP is so much fun to watch.

Let’s go Knicks!

137 replies on “2017-18 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Pistons”

Al Iannazzone ?@Al_Iannazzone
Hornacek said Willy Hernangomez needs to improve his defense. He believes Willy’s time will come and he will step up.
6:21 PM – Oct 21, 2017

This is what I saw. I guess it’s from the pre game scrum

The announcers said he is in St. Croix taking care of his house, which has hurricane damage.

Last game was everything bad people feared about Kanter.

This game has been everything people were excited abour Kanter.


KP is having none of that Stanley Johnson bullshit so far, great to see.

Hardaway 0-5 so far. Yeesh. Combine that with Sessions 0-4 and Lee 0-2 so far.

Yet, the Knicks lead!

Kanter 4/5. 5 rebounds.
KP 3/3.

KP is so unfair. I love that he’s more free throw line and below now. He still needs to play the 5 but I like it so far. Meanwhile timmy is struggling mighty hard

Words I the haven’t heard in years “…go backdoor and the Knicks defend it.” I heard them tonight.

It helps playing a bad team. Playing this team will give us more of an idea of who the knicks are vs Thursday. KP may have had the perfect 2 year grace period especially in NY. Melo got to bear the brunt while he matured and got better. He may explode this year. Get this man a competent point guard please.

KP has to dominate these favourable matches and so far he has been unguardable and efficient. Too early of course but he does seem to have added a couple of interesting moves to his game.

Timmy looks like old Timmy tho, stop shooting if it’s not falling please. At least he’s trying to get inside, which he should do a lot more.

Detroit is kinda garbage but they should be better than the Knicks all things considered.

Love KP’s scoring output, but he needs to facilitate more. I will say the same thing about him that I said about Melo when he was the #1 option – he needs to read when the defense is going to gravitate and get the ball out ASAP so the offense can adjust with open looks. There’s no reason why he can’t have 3+ assists a game.

McD did not score in his 10 minutes, when the team was +15. He had 2 rebounds, 1 steal, and 1 block. He contributed on defense!

This is great so far, but I wonder if the Pistons are having a huge back to back hangover?

The big problem w Sessions is that he absolutely cannot finish. Even if he somehow gets by you, you know he’s not taking it to the hole. He’s always looking for the roller or a kick out.

These guys are really fun to cheer for. There’s no advanced happiness stats for that! =P

OT (the Orlando Magic are playing hezonia at the 4, I think this small ball thing has gone 2 far. Meanwhile the kicks have 8 big lols

Have to say, I was wrong about THJr. I said we massively overpaid for a basically league average SG. Calling THJr league average is severely overrating him. Also, what the hell is Sessions doing?

Gotta say, if the idea is to showcase O’Quinn for trades, this game is going to be on the tape.

Good first half, great scoring by Porzingis, some good defensive possessions + some expected lapses and the team has frankly looked decidedly better with Baker than with Sessions at the PG. I’m hoping Timmy is just nervous and not yet adjusted because man, it’s been rough.

Zingis and Kanter a combined 14-17 from the field so far, not bad. Maybe we should feed those guys?

Random thoughts: First team all rookie on a rebuilding team doesn’t play. WTF. Timmy unfortunately in a cold streak. He will come out of it. Baker is a winning player who is getting better. Would like to see more of Dotson. Ridiculously frustrating Frank. Big fan of drafting him but this is testing me. KP becoming a star more important than everything else combined.

If we wanted to deal for a pg… delon wright wouldve been a decent get but probably not happening now…

Who knew some guy named Tolliver would be given credit by the announcers for turning the game around against the Knicks. Having anonymous players star against them apparently is still what the Knicks do.

If Sessions starts the whole season he’s going to be the most accomplished tank captain we ever had. I didn’t expect much from him anyway, but a little bit more would be good.

Timmy on the other hand, hot garbage. Baker needs to be playing right now.

Did Baker get hurt? He actually looked good in the first half, but now Sessions plays the entire 3rd.

I mean, in theory I want the Knicks to lose all these games, but the rotations are so terrible that it’s just frustrating.

Melo starting 2/9 against the Jazz. All the gravity must be weighing hard on him.

Melo starting 2/9 against the Jazz. All the gravity must be weighing hard on him.

Somebody’s gotta soak the usage

Hardaway has been so terrible….just so terrible. He stared down a rebound, pushed the ball and then missed a layup.

All 3 of the Thunder stars stinking it up really hard. The Jazz might be the best defense in the league, but it’s not a nice look.

Getting destroyed by Ish Smith and Anthony Tolliver type of players is definitely still a big part of what we do here.

This might be our best lineup.
Porzy, O’Quinn, MxDermott, TH and Baker.

There’s no way our best lineup includes THJr.

I would take Ish in a heartbeat. He’s actually better than Jackson and much better than any of our guards.

Combined starting guards’ TS% until that THJ shot: 27.6%

God I love O’Quinn.

I can’t understand how playoff teams with lack of depth at center don’t look at him and want him on their team. He’s a valuable piece.

I know losing is good in the long run for the tank but watching them blow games like this the entire year is not going to be easy.

Combined starting guards’ TS% until that THJ shot: 27.6%

We might have the worst backcourt in the NBA.

Damn… well, growing pains. Detroit is a better team and should win, out backcourt is definitely the worst in the league and some good flashes happened here and there. KP should have shot the 3 but he did get fouled on the play, terrible call.

I see this game and I remember Doncic highlights, so all is well.

Gonna be lots of games like this this season.

What I don’t like: Sessions playing 32 minutes. Hopefully Frank can get healthy and get a chunk of those. SVG made some halftime adjustments, Hornacek did not, apparently. Willy getting 0 minutes. THJ was awful.

What I like: KP, OQ getting the crunch-time minutes as he is a better defender than Kanter. McD getting 27 minutes. No LT.

Besides hitting on their lottery pick next year another step needed to take is a HUGE upgrade on this coaching staff. Have no idea though who Perry/Mills will be willing to hire or for that matter what decent coach would want to come here.

I’d be really happy about the tank if the Knicks didn’t already have $65M committed in mother fucking 2019-20, without even considering KP’s $30M AAV contract that he’s about to get.

Yeah, what the hell was up with Lance getting 0 minutes? I mean, he should, but Horny’s rotations feel weirder evety moment.

Carmelo watch: 6-17 for 13 points.

The gravity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Willy does need to play, but we do need to note that Kanter and OQ were a combined 13-17 with 17 rebounds. Kanter got 23 minutes, which is fine. He had 17 and 10.

They weren’t why the Knicks lost. If you want to point at one guy the most: THJ. He simply cannot miss that many shots, and he didn’t do anything else to soften that blow.

Beasley had 17 minutes. Give Willy those.

Pressure the ball and the Knicks’ offense will fall apart. Hardaway and Lee are poor secondary playmakers- there are going to many, many nights where the Knicks are just going to have to play iso-KP and hope he can bail them out.

LeBron was -31 tonight in 31 minutes. What?

Oh wait, JR was -33 in 20 minutes. Okay.

Who knew they’d miss DRose so much??

Ron is a better defender and playmaker than Sessions right now. However, Sessions did have 7 rebounds and did get 8 shots at the line. Ron had 0 free throws.

But, yeah, Ron should play more than Sessions. Ron was +7 in his 15 minutes.

Orlando beat Cleveland. It could be possible they are better than we thought and won’t stand in our tank’s way.

Can’t believe the Warriors are 1-2 right now. I know its just 3 games but I never thought they’d have a losing record at any point in this season either.

Ron got to the line 8 times in the first game. He should have played more.

Also KP should play with Kanter and Oak should play with Willy. But Willy should play.

Man, Giannis might actually go for MVP this season. He’s singlehandedly destroying the Blazers and keeping the Bucks ahead.

41 in 22 shots already

Another thing, Lee is totally overmatched playing the 3. He’s giving up too much size. I guess it is good for the tank, but not for his potential trade value.


I thought an interesting case could’ve been made for him as MVP last season. He’s going to be an absolute monster on Jordanesque/Lebron levels. I don’t even think we’ve seen his ceiling.

You know, they needed athletic defenders on the wing down the stretch and just left Dotson sitting there… just plain dumb. Use all your guys! With so many new faces, you don’t have to live and die with your first 9 man rotation.

He can’t even hit threes consistently and he’s already unstoppable and a top 5 player. I never thought we’d see this in this current NBA.

He can’t even hit threes consistently and he’s already unstoppable and a top 5 player.

Its the one thing missing to complete his game. If he ever figures out a consistent jumper, its over.


Just missed some heartbreaker free throws, he must be exhausted too. All he needs is the Lebron 3, good enough to force defenders to stay close to him. I can’t see him ending his career without at least one MVP.

My god what a steal and run to the basket! What a damn beast.

And the gigantic block on Nurkic to win the game!! MVP!

Anyone see curry throw his mouthpiece at the ref? He’s gotta get suspended right? Oakland players and refs have been trouble lol


He’s going to have multiple awards by the time its over. I see a scoring title when he improves his jumper. I see a KG level first-team defense and defensive MVP type player in his future as well when he’s at a point where he’s average 1+ block /2+ steals a game guarding positions 3,4 and maybe even 5.

The jazz are really good. Rubio is such a nice addition. And mitcell has been awful. When he contributes they will be even better.

Another Willy benching, interesting considering koq or kanter will be here next season!

Tolliver changed the entire game… would’ve been nice to see hornacek move KP to the 5 and put Willy in drummand

I always regarded Hill as a good defender, even if he lost a step or two over the years, but Rubio really puts them into scary as hell matchup on the defensive end. He’s been handling Westbrook as well as possible and he’s a truly super intelligent positional defender. Him and Sefolosha are tearing it up on D. Ingles is also one of those underrated forever dudes which every fan base that has him loves him.

Rubio made Westbrook look like he was playing with a hangover on offense and defense. He was far better tonight from what I saw

LOL at OKC losing tonight right after some nimrod NBA writer on si.com wrote that they “sent a message to the entire league” with their win vs. the Knicks.

What message was that, that the Knicks suck? Then what’s tonight’s message?

I can’t fault OKC too much to be honest, as the Jazz are truly great at defense, but Melo scored 26 in 26 shots, Westbrook shot 2/11 and George struggled all over with a lot of turnovers. Like I said, they’ll have struggles and it will take a while to figure things out.

I saw the second half and their offense looked really good too. The ball movement was crisp as he’ll and they tried to exploit everything. I wouldn’t be suprised. If they still finish in the top five again even withot hayward, maybe even top 4

No one. It’s on his jumpshot. If it’s on there is nothing you can do. If he ever gets to 35% from 3 it’s over

I think playoff Lebron can still handle him, but not 2 years from now… maybe Kawhi or Draymond? I think they could bother him since they’re both so damn strong, so if Giannis tries to post them up over and over they’ll at least make it difficult.
The list is getting shorter and shorter and probably going to end at zero very soon.

The Lance Thomas DNP-CD is Jeff Hornacek’s best decision ever. The Knicks need a player who can dribble. KP and our centers need help from the perimeter, but I have a lot of faith that Frank, TH2, and McDermott will develop.


Baker looked like a fifth guard on a good team tonight. On a team like this, that means he should be playing a lot more than 15 minutes! Plus, he’s actually young. Play the young players more!!

I don’t even have to get into the Willy nonsense, right? We all get that it is absurd.

Lance is probably the only guy that I think needs to be showcased for a trade.

Or we can just bench him indefinitely since I don’t care either way.

If the Knicks could have figured out a way to land Rubio they would be a playoff team RIGHT NOW. A Rubio/Nitti backcourt would have been excellent defensively and saved us from making such a big mistake paying Hardaway like a solid starting SG instead of the scorer off the bench he actually is.

That Hardaway contract is a nightmare. It might be easier to move Noah than Hardaway. And of course, that’s not to say we could move Noah. We can’t. It would take a miraculous recovery to do that, but no one is going touch that Hardaway contract with trade kickers and all. He’ll have his nights where he lights it up like all scorers do, but he’s not any good and he’s not a high IQ player either. That was a monstrous error by Mills.

Porzingis is playing so well, it’s masking how horrible the rest of the team actually is.

I mean, it was clear that Timmy was nervous as hell and trying way too hard to be the featured scorer whenever he got the ball.

It’s too early. I hated the contract when it was given but he’s gonna get a lot of chances to show he can improve, and I’m fine with that. At least he’s an asset for the tank if he’s really just godawful. If he can at least not be terrible on defense, hit some threes and get to the line like 5 times a game, he’s still playable.

So is Timmy the #2 option? If so, then I think that’s what he’s trying to adjust to.

In Atlanta he was what, 3rd or 4th and in NY he was like 5th. So I’m willing to give him time to let the game slow down

Giannis – blowing up. That guy is really long and talented.

Knicks – tank on is right. KP looks very good, everyone else, not so much

I think Hornacek is playing Kanter because he wants another scorer on the court to help Porzinigs. He knows that Hardaway is not a legitimate #2 scoring option.

Kanter also creates space on offense by getting deep post position and by setting good screens. Both are very helpful on an offense with almost no dribble penetration.

Idk man, you just need a guy that can bring the ball down without turning it over who can get it to the bigs in position. I guess that’s somewhere between Jack and Baker, because Sessions is shot. Then I’d just start TH2 because contract and McBuckets at the 3 bc you need another 3pt threat in the lineup. I love Kyle but they might as well showcase him for a trade since he’s decent and movable.

line up is basically playing the expensive players… Dolan directive, not paying millions for bench.. what will happen when Noah returns?

logjam at 4-5

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