Knicks Morning News (2017.07.03)

  • [SNY Knicks] Holiday agrees to two-year deal with Bulls
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 10:21:19 PM)

    Former New York Knicks guard Justin Holiday reportedly agreed to a two-year, $9 million deal with the Chicago Bulls.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks reportedly trying to clear cap space, may pursue Mack
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 8:55:46 PM)

    The New York Knicks reportedly may consider trading Courtney Lee or Kyle O’Quinn in order to clear cap space so they can offer more money to free agents.

  • [SNY Knicks] Hornacek: ‘I don’t see [Porzingis] going anywhere’
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 5:42:35 PM)

    While former New York Knicks president Phil Jackson was reportedly shopping forward Kristaps Porzingis prior to the NBA Draft, head coach Jeff Hornacek said he believes the team will hang onto the former No. 4 pick.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks interested in center/power forward Alan Williams
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 1:43:25 PM)

    The Knicks have shown interest in restricted free agent center/power forward Alan Williams, according to the New York Post.

  • [SNY Knicks] JRSportBrief: The Knicks are a dumpster fire
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 1:16:03 PM)

    In the latest installment of JRSportBrief on SNY.tv, JR takes a deeper look at Phil Jackson parting from the Knicks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks reportedly have sights set on George Hill
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 11:20:19 AM)

    The Knicks are have reached out to free agent point guard George Hill, according to Stefan Bondy of the New York Daily News.

  • [NYTimes] Knicks Lose Justin Holiday to the Chicago Bulls
    (Monday, July 03, 2017 4:51:19 AM)

    Holiday, a 28-year-old shooting guard, will sign a two-year, $9 million contract with the Bulls, according to a league source.

  • [NYTimes] The Saturday Profile: From N.B.A. Bench Player to Cult Hero in Turkey
    (Monday, July 03, 2017 7:52:57 AM)

    Ekpe Udoh led his team to this year’s Euroleague title, but he is revered primarily for what he does off the court: embrace Turkish culture.

  • [NYPost] Knicks lose Hornacek-favorite Justin Holiday back to Bulls
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 6:51:07 PM)

    ORLANDO, Fla. — The Knicks’ second-round draft pick, 6-foot-6 guard Damyean Dotson, has flashed his 3-point prowess and a body ready for the NBA here at summer league. Which is a good thing since Justin Holiday, their backup shooting guard last season, is gone, according to a source. Holiday agreed to a two-year, $9 million…

  • [NYPost] Hornacek clarifies Porzingis trade talk to end Knicks’ war
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 1:48:20 PM)

    ORLANDO, Fla. — In his continuing campaign to get Kristaps Porzingis back in his good graces, Jeff Hornacek clarified the Knicks never shopped the 7-foot-3 Latvian at the draft, just that they didn’t hang up the phone when teams called about him. The Knicks coach added Porzingis could have learned “lessons’’ from his skipped exit…

  • [NYPost] Ex-Knick wonders if he’s $1.3M victim of Phil Jackson firing
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 12:17:30 PM)

    ORLANDO, Fla. — Mo Ndour showed up Sunday at the Orlando summer league a free agent. The defensive forward from Senegal realizes Phil Jackson’s firing earlier this week likely cost him $1.3 million. Jackson didn’t text a lot of players after he was dismissed, but he texted Ndour, whom the Knicks cut hours before free…

  • [NYPost] Derek Fisher formally charged with DUI for car crash
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 10:34:20 AM)

    Former Knicks coach Derek Fisher has been officially charged with two counts of drunk driving stemming from his June 4 crash on a Los Angeles Freeway, according to a report. Fisher, 42, was driving with girlfriend Gloria Govan – in a Cadillac Escalade registered to her husband and long-time Fisher nemesis, Matt Barnes – when…

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony open to trade with Rockets, Cavaliers: report
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 9:30:40 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony is willing to waive his no-trade clause for either the Rockets or Cavaliers, according to ESPN.

  • [NYDN] Knicks lose second straight Summer League game without Ntilikina
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 8:46:54 PM)

    Without top pick Frank Ntilikina, the Knicks lost their second straight Summer League game Sunday, this time getting pummeled by the Pistons

  • [NYDN] Former Knicks guard Justin Holiday signs with Bulls
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 8:44:52 PM)

    Former New York Knicks backup shooting guard Justin Holiday has signed with the Chicago Bulls.

  • [NYDN] Steve Mills off to good start as Knicks’ top decision maker
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 8:43:46 PM)

    The Steve Mills era is off to an impressive start. How so? Because he’s done nothing.

  • [NYDN] Kristaps Porzingis—Jeff Hornacek relationship crucial for Knicks
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 8:41:17 PM)

    Jeff Hornacek will need to repair his relationship with star player Kristaps Porzingis for the Knicks to move forward.

  • [NYDN] Darrall Imhoff, former Knicks top draft pick, dies at 78
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:57:26 PM)

    Darrall Imhoff, the Knicks’ top draft pick in 1960 and an Olympic champion, has died at 78.

  • [NYDN] Ndour talks about Phil, says Knicks cut him for cap space
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 12:55:51 PM)

    Maurice Ndour’s Knicks career ended about two days after Phil Jackson’s, which probably wasn’t a coincidence considering their connection.

  • [NYDN] Derek Fisher charged with DUI in aftermath of June car wreck
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 9:27:45 AM)

    Former Knicks head coach Derek Fisher has formally been charged with two counts of DUI related to his car crash from June 4.

  • [NY Newsday] Maurice Ndour: Phil Jackson ‘main reason’ he was on Knicks
    (Monday, July 03, 2017 12:38:14 AM)

    ORLANDO, Fla. — Phil Jackson may be gone from the Knicks, but he’s not forgotten.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek has high hopes for Kristaps Porzingis
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 10:46:30 PM)

    ORLANDO, Fla. — Kristaps Porzingis seems firmly planted as the Knicks’ franchise player going forward, which wasn’t necessarily the case a little more than a week ago.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks in contact with ex-Cavaliers GM David Griffin, report says
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 7:56:54 PM)

    ORLANDO, Fla. — The Knicks could be planning to formally interview former Cavaliers general manager David Griffin for the opening in their basketball department.

  • [ESPN] Melo open to Rockets, Cavs trade, sources say
    (Monday, July 03, 2017 12:54:29 AM)

    Melo open to Rockets, Cavs trade, sources say

  • [ESPN] Hornacek says Porzingis isn’t ‘going anywhere’
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 5:09:00 PM)

    Hornacek says Porzingis isn’t ‘going anywhere’

  • [ESPN] Knicks seek younger players, still open to trading Carmelo Anthony
    (Sunday, July 02, 2017 12:00:40 PM)

    Knicks seek younger players, still open to trading Carmelo Anthony

  • 168 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.07.03)”

    Okay, so what can either Cleveland or Houston offer for Melo that we would actually want, as opposed to a Ryan Anderson deal that’s even longer than his?

    The Milsap deal takes Denver out of play as a third team anyway. Who else still wants Love, has cap space for him, and assets to send to both us and Cleveland?

    I had this brief hope that the Knucks were actually rebuilding and then i see stories like this from SNY Knicks

    The New York Knicks reportedly may consider trading Courtney Lee or Kyle O’Quinn in order to clear cap space so they can offer more money to free agents, according to ESPN’s Ian Begley.

    And, apparently they didn’t renew Ndour because they want as much cap room as possible. They do need a point guard, but the stories don’t make it seem like that’s what this is for. It seems that signing free agents might be Mill’s plan to make a big splash. Dolan, please rescue us. Either pick Mills right away so he doesn’t have to make splash, or tell him it doesn’t matter what he does, hes not it. Or maybe just don’t let him do anything.

    This trade could work and doesn’t involve Love at all:
    http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8m6l6jd

    KOQ is either their starting center w Lebron as PG, Kyrie as SG, Melo as SF, and K Love as PF or he’s their first big off the bench w Love at center. We get a future Cleveland first whenever they can give it and cap relief. I think that’s a very fair trade

    There’s pretty much no way we can do a Houston trade without taking on Anderson or Gordon’s contract or finding a third team willing to do so. I don’t know who that third team could be.

    “It was believed Phil Jackson wanted to teach Porzingis a lesson for skipping his exit meeting.

    Several members of the organization were in favor of moving Porzingis before the draft, per sources.

    James Dolan did not appreciate Jackson talking publicly about trading Porzingis, according to sources.”

    IAN BEGLEY/ESPN

    LOL!!!!!

    I think Clevekand might be worse next year. They renewed Korver for three years and signed Calderon. How is that helping them get better?

    Cleveland should be desperate to get better. I’d take that Melo/O’Quinn deal Silky’s proposing. It would allow them more flexibility to go smaller without sacrificing anything on defense.

    Thompson is a pretty good fit next to KP but probably moves Willy to the bench? Feels like not the most forward looking move but I’d probably take it if it was all that was offered.

    Pheonix tried to get in on love, as well as millsap for a while. I read that they now want to pivot to getting younger – perhaps since becoming competitive out west is now impossible. But maybe they would pivot back if love was available?

    I suggested this on yesterday’s thread – I think the key to a Cleveland deal is Cleveland getting something other than just Melo so they can look like they didn’t accept an offer they rejected before. They are giving up the best player in the deal after all. KOQ could be it. But maybe also an asset from a third team – Dudley sprung to mind.

    I think it would work under the cap to send Melo, KOQ and Dudley to Cleveland, love and Shump to pheonix, and Bledsoe plus youth to us. We could ask for Jackson, but maybe one of their young PFs and/or warren more likely?

    Problem with Houston is someone has to provide an extra asset to incentivise a team to take Anderson. If Houston gives someone a pick to do that, it’s one fewer assets for us in a trade. We might only come out with space and maybe hartenstein, although I would also do that.

    Other teams with space who might either want love, or take Anderson for an asset… Atlanta? NJ?

    @9

    Honestly I’d just have TT come off the bench or look to flip him to a contending team if this were the trade.

    I doubt Phoenix is giving up JJ for anything less than KP. We could get Ulis or Bender out of the deal maybe.

    Thompson wouldn’t be a problem to have. He’d make a nice trade chip to have.

    Ujiri just gave Lowry $100M and Ibaka $45M… Derozan.. $137M that’s for the next three years… anybody here still want him as GM? and lose to Lebron again? isn’t that why Indiana got broken up
    Melo for Love or Anderson? I’d stick with Melo. imagine Love or Anderson playing with KP and Willy

    Bledsoe would be a nice return on a 3 team trade…he is a good tough young pg. I believe he would fit in nicely

    Cleveland is on record saying that they don’t want to move Thompson. I think they should part ways with Love because if Melo comes, where will he play? Plus, he just seems to get shit on in Cleveland for some reason lol.

    I would try a 3-team trade that sends Love to Boston or Miami, with expirings coming to us and Melo and maybe a pick/role player to Cleveland.

    Honestly, a Melo/Anderson swap is sort of fair. That extra year sucks, but Anderson makes less money and is probably a better overall player than Melo (and at least seems to try on defense and isn’t a whiny baby). I think we would need a pick or a promising player to go into that trade though.

    RE: Justin Holiday
    He’s not irreplaceable, but it probably means Lee stays- unless we land a PG and Baker can shoot better and take the starting SG spot. Honestly, watching Dotson play, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he replaces Lee in the starting 5 should he get traded. Trading Lee would leave us very green in the backcourt so I’m all for keeping him.

    RE: Melo
    He stays. I don’t see any team willing to send us good youth and picks back in return for him. If he does get traded, then we need to get a starting PF back in the return- it’s time for KP tp play the 5. If Melo stays, I think KOQ(preferrably and if he stays) or Lance can hold down the starting PF spot- but we need to reinforce the backcourt. I do think Barry can stick, but only if Lee is moved. He actually has a nice game, great fit for an end if bench wing.

    Should Lee get moved, who would you all want running the point between Rose & Rondo? I have a feeling that’s who we’ll end up choosing from. Collison may be an option as well, but he may be out of our price range. I don’t think the team wasts to invest much into the starting PG spot with Ntilikina waiting in the wings

    @wojespn

    Free agent guard Derrick Rose is meeting with Milwaukee Bucks officials today, league sources tell ESPN.

    Yes, please.

    The Knicks should consider jumping on taking Aldrich off Minny for the OKC pick next year. That’s $7.3m. Assuming that those reports are true.

    Boston could be a wild card. If they lose out on Hayward, they might get a bit desperate to do something. That could mean Melo or maybe be the third team in a trade with Cleveland that nets them Love. I wouldn’t ask for much from Ainge in return, b/c you know he loves those draft picks. I’d insist on Jalen Brown if they won’t give up either the Nets or Lakers pick next year (which they won’t).

    Sad to see Ndour cut, but maybe Labeyrie pretty much plugs in to that spot. Also sad to see Holiday go, and for a reasonable deal, too. What happened there?

    RE: Melo
    He stays.

    IDK, I see Melo getting traded as almost inevitable at this point. We’re past the NTC hurdle (at least with Cleveland and Houston) and I think the GM’s will find a way to get it done.

    If it happens:

    Get rid of Phil – check
    Get rid of Melo – check
    Get rid of Rose – J Kidd, you’re gonna love this guy

    A perfect trifecta of addition by subtraction, make it happen!

    but Anderson makes less money and is probably a better overall player than Melo

    How Sway?

    Yep- I think it happens, probably for a pretty crappy return. Melo doesn’t have to back down to Jax now so can make the best move for himself, which was always to move. And we need to commit properly to the rebuild around KP.

    I think it will happen soon, but we’re best served by waiting out the last few big FAs to see if Boston or Washington wants to get involved. It only takes one other team to make a trade, but it takes a couple to create a bidding war… however mild that ‘war’ is.

    Wow, that Denver frontcourt might the best pair of big men passers ever paired up. (Well, Bird and Walton, but Walton didn’t start). Plus they can both shoot 3s, so Denver can throw out 5 legit 3 pt shooters if they can get Collison or Hill (or anybody better than Mudiay).

    Milwaukee signing Rose makes no sense for them. They need to surround Giannis with 3 point shooters galore. I guess they feel a need to sign another player who can come off the bench and break down defenders from the perimeter when Giannis is off the court, but Rose isn’t a guy who you want dominating the ball all the time. Can he handle that role? We’ll see.

    @23 I don’t see how either team says no to that. Though first I’d try to see if Boston and Cleveland would be up for the much proposed 3 way of Love to Boston, melo + to Cleve and Nets #1 and Jaylen Brown to Knicks

    A lot of talk on Twitter about taking on bad contracts for picks. I’m not so sure I like that idea. I was OK with it for this draft because there were a few players we had our eyes on and the potential picks were pretty good. But now, I’m not so sure it’s a good idea to take on 3 years of a bad contract for some unquantifiable pick and unquantifiable player. Having Noah on the books for 18m will make it tougher to improve over the next 3 years. Having 2 bad contracts would be stifling.

    @26
    I’d love that, but no way Ainge trades the Nets #1 in that. Maybe you could cajole Boston’s own #1 in that or try to get the Lakers pick.

    Who knows, but I’d almost be inclined to take just Brown and all that cap space. But I’m scared of what the Knicks would then do with the space. George Hill 4 years/$80 million here we come…

    I’m starting to talk myself into Ryan Anderson. Someone talk some sense into me. NYK + Melo = poison lovers, but we’re going to need to take someone’s problem or sweeten and I really don’t want to give up a young player or a pick.

    Does Jamal Crawford have one year left? That sounds really good at this point. I can see Melo being interested in playing with Griffin and Jordan. Plus, they have nice backcourt pieces with Beverly and Williams. I like Jamal as a person and he won’t kill the culture.

    I’d prefer a big money guy that at least won’t dominate the locker room, hijack the offense, and TURN OUR YOUNG FOUNDATIONAL PIECE AGAINST THE ORGANIZATION.

    I’m just not quite at buy out yet, though. I’ll puke watching him play for CLE on our dime and with a player at least there’s the chance for production or a trade and it’s not just a huge sunk cost.

    Free agency can have monstrous consequences.

    Also, Hayward to BOS is a lock. He was at the Sox game and Ortiz made a public appeal. His head is filled with visions of Larry 2.0. Book it. Someone tell me he’s really not that good, please!! One thing about BOS. They can only play 5 guys. So they have Tatum, Crowder, Brown and probably Hayward at SF. Seems like someone needs to go. Ainge will flip for picks and the rich will get richer (insert frowny face emoji.)

    Hayward is very good. Not sure he moves the needle enough to get Boston past the Cavs, but he’s way better than Crowder or Brown as a SF. He’s essentially a better shooting and passing, worse rebounding, and equal defending Melo.

    Kidd may think he can help D Rose find his good self again. He may see parallels to his own career on him, and be confident that D Rose is curable. Better for us. We need to sign Rondo to a modest contract (12mil$ 1+1 team option). Trade the Melocancer for Frye/Jefferson/trade exemptions +2024 first round. We get a few veterans to guide our youngsters and let Carmelo bitch with Lebron.

    Kidd may think he can help D Rose find his good self again. He may see parallels to his own career on him, and be confident that D Rose is curable. Better for us.

    So if, somehow, Rose returns to productivity it’ll be important to remember that it was good thinking to give up on him.

    Even if somehow Kidd finds Rose mojo, it doesn’t really help us. We need a pass first PG who can set up our young guys and guide Ntilikina. Rose can’t do that, even when healthy.

    I’m all for Rose getting a second chance to regain his form… as far away from the Knicks as possible.

    today has been a day of good news so far, no overpaying Holiday, Rose rumoured to be gone (and even bring something back) and Melo heading out… if both Rose and Melo are gone this team instantly becomes watchable again.

    next step is to not give 4 year deals to anyone and the Knicks should be very fine.

    Holiday’s contract isn’t an overpay, though. 2 years, $9m is very reasonable for a rotation wing. I’m very surprised the Knicks didn’t even extend an offer. He was one of our few bright spots last year, a good soldier who hit some clutch 3s. And at $4.5m annually he’d be easily tradeable.

    Unlike Tristan Thompson, who I want no part of in a Melo trade. He’s a decent player but he makes pretty big money while playing a position that: a) we already have four of (Willy, Noah, Zing, KOQ); and b) the league is saturated with. Teams are trying to give away overpaid centers left and right. We would not be able to flip Thompson for anything of value.

    Honestly, Boston and the Lakers are the only teams I can think of that might be willing to trade for Thompson. Everyone else either has a decent starting center or is overpaying a bad one (Suns, Nets, etc).

    So if, somehow, Rose returns to productivity it’ll be important to remember that it was good thinking to give up on him.

    I believe the right situation can / may help any player. NYK is not that situation for Rose or Melo.

    Interestingly, for all of LBJ’s greatness he seemed to have the opposite effect on Love, Korver, Thompson and others. It seems like him and Kyrie were the only guys with green lights on the team. JR was the only other player crazy enough to go ahead and create for himself. In the finals, it looked like GSW had multiple players in the flow but CLE had a much more circumscribed offensive system.

    With Lebron, it seems like you have to go to where he wants you to be, catch his pass, and do what you’re supposed to. He needs chess pieces. Multiply talented players need not apply. He’s mostly played with a lack of significant talent, actually, if you think of his early years in Cleveland and all the injuries in his second tenure. Even in MIA, the super friends network denuded the team of anything but role players besides those three (Ray Allen was at the end of his career.)

    He’s used to trying to win with Dellavadova, Jefferson etc. So it seems there’s a lack of trust even when he has good players.

    As a musician I’ve had that feeling when playing with someone “great”. You play worse because you don’t want to mess up.

    Unlike Tristan Thompson, who I want no part of in a Melo trade. He’s a decent player but he makes pretty big money while playing a position that: a) we already have four of (Willy, Noah, Zing, KOQ); and b) the league is saturated with.

    I understand your point, but it’s not as bad as it looks. If Thompson came, he’d be an upgrade over KOQ who would be leaving in the same deal. So the “log jam” would remain the same. TT might not be on an attractive contract, but KOQ is going to opt out next year and get paid also. So we are either going to get nothing for him or have to pay him.

    Now if we had some other attractive deal for KOQ, I’d rather do that. But then it gets a lot harder to get rid of Melo unless Boston gets involved too. As of right now Houston and Cleveland have crap contracts to offer.

    IF ‘Melo is willing to go to Houston, it’s too bad that he’s not willing to go one step further and accept a deal to OKC.

    They could give up Kanter; they were reportedly interested in Rudy Gay; they supposedly have to sell Paul George on staying in OKC.

    @40

    a reminder that the trade I proposed results in cap relief for the next 3 years–at the time of trade we gain 5m, when Frye expires it’s another 7.5m, if we don’t resign Felder that’s another 1.2m the next year, and in the final year TT’s contract comes off the books at 17m. Getting a distant future first is really good when coupled with actual cap relief. And I wouldn’t have to see Melo ever chuck up shots in a Knicks uniform again, which is absolutely priceless to me.

    TT also might have value as an expiring deal in his final year–there’s multiple ways we can get out of that contract whereas there’s literally only two ways of getting out of Melo’s contract and that’s by trading him or waiting him out while he continues to poison team culture. It also doesn’t hurt that TT is really good, far better than Melo at this point (but don’t tell Lebron that.)

    Tristan Thompson is a very good player, even at $18 mill per. Definitely worth what he is getting paid. We can argue about fit, but not about value. He is 26 years old, extremely durable, an excellent defender and rebounder and a very efficient scorer. I’d be totally fine with getting him back in a Melo deal. Ryan Anderson is 3 years older with durability concerns and is paid more for less statistical production.

    If Thompson came, he’d be an upgrade over KOQ who would be leaving in the same deal. So the “log jam” would remain the same. TT might not be on an attractive contract, but KOQ is going to opt out next year and get paid also. So we are either going to get nothing for him or have to pay him.

    Thompson is better than KOQ, but he’s also making 4x his salary. KOQ is more movable because at $4m, he can slot into almost any team as a backup big. Thompson, at $16m, pretty much has to be your starter.

    If we can’t find a taker for KOQ, then we should let him walk. We have three other centers under contract for at least the next 2 seasons, and presumably 3 (if we extend Zing). We definitely do not need more.

    I’m also on record saying we should trade Willy if the right offer came along. Modern centers have to be able to either shoot 3s, run the floor, or defend the rim, and preferably do more than one. Willy and Thompson don’t have enough modern skills.

    @44

    Well 5m might be the difference between an advantageous 1-2 yr George Hill contract vs a 3 year onerous one, for example. Opens up more space for a value signing like Alan Williams or Reggie Bullock, as well.

    Is there any indication that there’s an actual deal for Melo or are we just playing fantasy sports?

    the more i think about it the more i think we fucked up with holiday, we should’ve matched that offer …dont get it, he is a hornacek guy!

    lee needs to go, esp. with a younger cheaper version in holiday.
    bad move knicks

    @49

    It seems like talks w Houston are real and ongoing, idk about Cleveland however.

    for the life of me i cant understand how there are enough bballs for melo, paul and harden

    The thing with Anderson is this… in three summers’ time we’ll have KPs final earcap hold on our books and we’ll be about to pay him, Willy – and then have new rookies to start paying in subsequent years. While we don’t need space now we probably do need it in one of the next three summers when we aim to make a leap from ‘rebuilding’ to competing.

    For that reason I don’t mind taking $ now and I don’t mind taking big deals back for Melo – but I’m super weary of a $20m commitment to Anderson the year AFTER Melo expires. If we can avoid that We should – there have to be some scenarios where no deal or a buyout is the better option than a bad trade.

    @52 both Harden and Paul have stated that they think it’s beneficial if both of them play off the ball more, and they are smart enough and good enough that Im sure they’ll figure it out… and if Melo still has any real value its as an off the ball shooter who should not be the main shot creator in any circumstances anyway.

    the same thing was said about the Lebron Wade Heat and they eventually figured it out… I wouldn’t put it past Paul and Harden to figure it out too.

    I’d greatly prefer a pupu platter of lesser contracts to Ryan Anderson.

    Is frank playing today?

    No, but he’s tentatively expected to play in the next game.

    I think we all agree that trading melo is beneficial for kps development so I understand why some people here would take back Anderson despite his contract being an extra year. I just think it would be a really bad idea to do this. We’d be paying close to 40m per season to Noah and Anderson for the next three years. That’s nauseating. Teams hopefully will get desperate between now and the trade deadline. We can only hope Boston strikes out on heyward but it looks like an almost certainty that he’s going there.

    for the life of me i cant understand how there are enough bballs for melo, paul and harden

    If D’Antoni can put the past behind him, get Melo to buy into being the 2nd-3rd option playing off the ball behind Harden and Paul, and Harden can remain almost as effective playing off the ball more often, that’s coach of the decade kind of stuff.

    For the life of me I do not understand why we should be interested in Hill or any other 30 year old who won’t be around in 2-3 years, the earliest this group has any timeline for being a good team.

    No doubt he would be a huge upgrade, but aren’t we better off winning 25 games than 40? Don’t we want to give FN, DD, KP and WHG the optimal minutes for health and development?

    They shouldn’t be looking at a single player over 24 period.

    You could do Melo for Trevor Ariza, Eric Gordon, Isaiah Taylor and Ryan Kelly. That works in the trade machine.

    I liked Holiday because he played hard on both sides of the ball. But to be honest, he’s a 2nd string SG on a decent team and a 3rd string SG on a good team. It’s not going to take much for Damyean Dotson to move right into that role and be better, younger, have more upside, and be a lot cheaper all at once.

    Ryan Anderson is 3 years older with durability concerns and is paid more for less statistical production.

    He also looked like he was on the decline until he got into D’Antoni’s system. My bet is if came to NY he wouldn’t be nearly as good as his stats for Houston last year. He’s NOT a good basketball player. It’s that simple.

    The reason why we want someone like Hill is that running out a terrible PG will hurt development for our players and put too much pressure on Frank. PG is the one position that I think you need to bring along slowly and a strong veteran player at the point can give this team stability and I’d love to see KP and Willy playing games that matter in April. We won’t be great but 40 wins is a step forward that we can build upon.

    It would be really dumb to trade both Ariza and Gordon for Melo. Either of them alone might be better than Melo. I would think that the only player that makes sense to Morey ditch is Anderson, b/c catching the Warriors with Melo requires that both Ariza and Gordon are still on the team.

    For the life of me I do not understand why we should be interested in Hill or any other 30 year old who won’t be around in 2-3 years, the earliest this group has any timeline for being a good team.

    No doubt he would be a huge upgrade, but aren’t we better off winning 25 games than 40? Don’t we want to give FN, DD, KP and WHG the optimal minutes for health and development?

    They shouldn’t be looking at a single player over 24 period.

    I hear you.

    I have mixed feelings about it.

    As long as the contract is fair and could theoretically be moved at a later date, Hill would bring some really good veteran leadership and mentoring for Frank. The east is also so weak, an upgrade from Rose to Hill and some development from our young players could get us into the playoffs. The playoff experience is a plus and might also keep KP happy about the progress of the team.

    Balancing against that is the valid point you are making. It might be better for us to get a lottery pick than scrape in as a 7th or 8th seed.

    I guess it depends how bad we are.

    If we make the playoffs and get the 15th pick how much better/worse is that than getting the 10-14 pick in the lottery?

    If we totally suck and get a high lottery then it makes more sense, but that doesn’t say much about the young players we have now and may make KP miserable.

    Re the sign and trade possibilities with Milwaukee-

    Dellavedova for Rose probably works, but not sure that’s something we would want. delly at $10M/year x 3 years prob isn’t appetizing, although he could be considered “steady veteran PG”.

    The reason why we want someone like Hill is that running out a terrible PG will hurt development for our players and put too much pressure on Frank. PG is the one position that I think you need to bring along slowly and a strong veteran player at the point can give this team stability and I’d love to see KP and Willy playing games that matter in April. We won’t be great but 40 wins is a step forward that we can build upon.

    Drafting 17th instead of top 3 is definitely a step in the wrong direction . Especially when hill won’t be around and those wins will cost a dozen draft positions.

    I start going into convulsions when I hear about veteran leadership. Mark Messier may be the greatest”leader” in the history of professional sports, but his leadership wasn’t worth diddly when he couldn’t score a hat trick in a game six anymore.

    I like hill but not at 4/80m. He’s not going to take less years or less money to come here. And with all the money being thrown around you would think someone is going to give him something close to that. Hopefully not us.

    I also think I can convince myself that rondo on a one year deal wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. were going to suck next year anyway why not make it entertaining.

    I absolutely love George Hill, but please no.

    This is the year the Knicks can really go young and tank, I dont give a single fuck about winning 40 games or anything like that when there’s Doncic and Porter on the board.

    winning cultures are nice, but drafting potential superstars is much nicer than meaningless march – April wins.

    Adrian Wojnarowski ? @wojespn
    Free agent George Hill and reps are meeting with the Lakers today in Los Angeles, discussing a one-year deal, league sources tell ESPN.
    1:22 PM – 3 Jul 2017

    Knicks Summer League team is not inspiring any hope. Ognjen Jaramaz is not an NBA player. Labeyrie is not an NBA player. Luke Kornet isn’t terrible, but even our farm talent cannot compete well with other teams.

    Yeah, I wondered aloud yesterday about Hill maybe taking a one year deal. That’s actually horrible news b/c the Lakers were looking at Rondo, who I do NOT want here.

    at this point n the day, i’m not sure if we want our team to be better or worse next year

    I forgot all about Denver signing Millsap. Does this mean Manimal is available? If so, how can we pull a trade off to get him?

    I get that the market for Hill has tightened but that Lakers thing is strange. They don’t even have $20m of room right? What is he gonna sign one year $17m? That seems nuts. JJ just signed for 1/23.

    Milwaukee needs to relax and learn from the mistakes they made last year in FA.

    Ehh guys I don’t think this team in the East with or without Melo is going to have one of the two worst records in the league so I wouldn’t get to caught up in the Doncic sweepstakes. Also, I’m glad I just ruined your summers. 🙂

    If we’re gonna tank next year we’re gonna need to tank HARD. It’s a four-player draft right now– Porter, Doncic, Ayton and Bamba. To be assured of a top 4 pick you need to be the worst team in the NBA.

    Lakers are smart. They are getting an intelligent, seasoned PG veteran presence who know how to properly play the NBA game to teach their promising rookie PG. If only we were that smart.

    If you want a mentor go hire Andre Miller as a coach. No point guard ever played as long and well with less athletic talent and played every angle to perfection

    I’m starting to talk myself into Ryan Anderson.

    going through everyone’s posts this morning – i had to stop for a minute after reading this though – hahahahahaha…

    too funny danvt – yeah, at this point if it involves jettisoning anthony – you could pretty much talk me into just about any deal also…

    watchout out DRed, Silky’s looking to take your job 🙂

    This trade could work and doesn’t involve Love at all:
    http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8m6l6jd

    that’s a pretty decent deal there…

    goodbye justin, i liked your game – i think frank though is our new, younger, much more potential, a lot cheaper – justin holiday

    We should absolutely tank hard. This team is still a few players away from a promising young core. We need high picks, not 35 wins and veterans on long contracts.

    Start Willy, Zing, Lance, Lee, and Frank. That’s totally fine.

    too funny danvt – yeah, at this point if it involves jettisoning anthony – you could pretty much talk me into just about a.ny deal also…

    Nice to know someone’s out there. Good on ya, Geo. Much appreciated.

    We should absolutely tank hard. This team is still a few players away from a promising young core. We need high picks, not 35 wins and veterans on long contracts.
    Start Willy, Zing, Lance, Lee, and Frank. That’s totally fine.

    It could be painful but I’m on board with this. The thing is, I’ll, of course, look for them to overachieve and when they’re down by 35 on a nightly basis I’ll be pretty depressed. Then, the idea that you add one piece a year to a, perhaps suspect core, and you see why it’s hard to “trust the process.”

    You can’t start young rookie point guards without destroying them. By giving them that much pressure and responsibility too soon turns them into to MCW or Mudiay. It makes them walking turnover machines and keeps them from learning what not to do.

    As for tanking, KP and Willy simply being one year older will keep us out of the bottom 4 but having no PG will cause more bad habits from KP and increase ISO ball.

    If the choice is 32 wins, a #8 pick and bad habits from our young guys or 40 wins, a #15 pick and nice development and playoff experience that’s an easy choice.

    This team is going to half-ass tank, then end up with the #8 pick again. Because Knicks.

    Lakers are smart. They are getting an intelligent, seasoned PG veteran presence who know how to properly play the NBA game to teach their promising rookie PG. If only we were that smart.

    Lakers also don’t have a draft pick next year and have no incentive to tank.

    But I agree with Ben R that having even a mediocre point guard would do all of Frank, KP & Willy a world of good.

    The only player we can add to this core (presuming melo is gone) that can get us to 32 or 40 wins is maybe Rondo. He knows how to win basketball games. Maybe Frank is the next Tony Parker or KP makes a quantum leap. Other than that I don’t see us out of the high lottery at this point and that may be for the best. High picks, let vets sunset, no long term FA’s as bandaids= Trust the Process. Fuk it, let’s game the system.

    Watch them change the rules just when we decide to do it and weight the lottery differently, LOL.

    Also, Zach Lowe said on today’s podcast that he expects the Knicks to use their remaining cap space soon. Sounded like he knew who but wasn’t allowed to say yet because of his source.

    Our summer league team is a dumpster fire

    Yeah it seemed that way when looking over the roster. The top 5 should have been good, but the rest of the roster is all points without any of the other tertiary stats (rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, etc.) There is no offensive flow, no rebounding… heck there isn’t enough athleticism on the floor on defense – seems like the other team is running a fast break half the time, and the Knicks are just struggling to get back. It’s like a good high school against a bad high school.

    Barry and Jaramaz look like two regular guys are trying to hide from Vegas mobsters and stumbled into the Knicks locker room, threw on two jerseys, and now the coach has put them in to the game.

    And Artis just threw an inbound pass across court for an easy TO.

    You can’t start young rookie point guards without destroying them. By giving them that much pressure and responsibility too soon turns them into to MCW or Mudiay. It makes them walking turnover machines and keeps them from learning what not to do.

    MCW and Mudiay had no experience and a ton of holes in their game. I don’t think its fair to pin their problems on a lack of mentorship.

    Though I would prefer hill on a 2-3 year contract I’m also okay with Collison. I just don’t want Rose or Rondo, we need professionals to model good behavior, and I don’t think we can go into the season with Baker, Randle and Frank as our only PGs.

    Lakers also don’t have a draft pick next year and have no incentive to tank.

    Or maybe they realize its more important to develop the young franchise studs you have than to sacrifice a year of their development for a couple of draft spots.

    You can’t start young rookie point guards without destroying them. By giving them that much pressure and responsibility too soon turns them into to MCW or Mudiay. It makes them walking turnover machines and keeps them from learning what not to do.

    As for tanking, KP and Willy simply being one year older will keep us out of the bottom 4 but having no PG will cause more bad habits from KP and increase ISO ball.

    I usually agree with you Ben, but I disagree on both points here. MCW and Mudiay weren’t ruined from having too much playing time. If they are good, they’d figure out how to bring turnover down. I can’t imagine there is a useful study out there that correlates too much playing time to a stunted career. Good players rise up, or figure things out over time. Bad ones turn the ball over all the way to Turkey.

    And the Knicks, as constituted, are easily bottom of the east material. KP could make a leap, but he could just as easily stay on his plateaued trajectory, or, worse, spend a chunk of the season in street clothes.

    There is, honestly, no reason to even attempt to be competitive. There aren’t even any good free agents to throw money at. Hill is good, but not good enough to make paying him to play here the least bit worthwhile.

    There is a reason that young players on established teams like the Spurs and now the Warriors always seem to develop well. Putting too much on a young player especially in an environment with no structure hurts their development. There is a reason so many of the sixers young players have struggled.

    and it’s not like no one will try to win in the east. Boston Toronto Cleveland and Washington, plus Milwaukee Charlotte Miami are locks to go hard for playoff spots, Philly and Detroit probably too… Orlando and Indiana would rather not tank it seems, so all that’s left is Brooklyn and Chicago who will probably be terrible anyway… Chicago might even be decent-ish if Lavine progresses well.

    I can see the Knicks being one of the bottom 3 teams in the east, and that gives us a good chance of a high pick.

    but well, the Knicks are probably giving their cap space to whoever is available, at this point I’m just hoping for Melo to go and for Rudy Gay to sign elsewhere.

    @101

    I disagree… not every rookie is alike, I think teams like the Spurs just know how to draft well and how to develop players well.

    guys like Kyrie, Giannis or KD played on some of the most putrid teams the league has had over the years and became superstars anyway, because that’s the kind of talent they have.

    it’s not like MCW or Thabeet would become good players if they were drafted by the Spurs.

    You know George Hill’s career assist % is 18.8? He scores efficiently and doesn’t turn the ball over but he’s not really much of a playmaker. I’m warming to the idea of Rondo on a one/two year deal. Watching the Knicks play summer league without a point underscores how tough it is to evaluate players- especially bigs- when there is zero offensive cohesion. Rondo will get guys good looks.

    There is a reason that young players on established teams like the Spurs and now the Warriors always seem to develop well.

    Tony Parker started 72 games as a 19 year old rook. Steph Curry started 77 games as a 21 years old rook.

    I disagree… not every rookie is alike, I think teams like the Spurs just know how to draft well and how to develop players well.

    Yeah, but promising athletic rookies with serious flaws are probably the ones that benefit the most of having some veteran presence, IMO.

    Yeah, but promising athletic rookies with serious flaws are probably the ones that benefit the most of having some veteran presence, IMO.

    They benefit the most from a few extra years in college to be honest. Mudiay is a prime example of a player who short-ended his promise out of High School by ducking college altogether to playing for a few weeks in some third rate Chinese basketball league before turning pro.

    @106

    that I agree with.

    it helps if your team is not a complete dumpster fire, and some rookies will actually benefit from leadership or someone to show them the ropes… but it’s not like a star won’t develop to be a star because he’s losing 60 games for 2 seasons while he’s 19.

    many of the better players in today’s NBA were drafted by bad franchises, played in horrible teams and became stars anyway… hell, the Thunder is very far from being a model franchise and they developed 3 of the 10 best players in the NBA recently… I dont think that’s on Scotty Brooks or Nick Collison’s veteran leadership.

    Wouldn’t it be funny, by the way, if we find out Phil’s firing was a ruse to get Melo to waive his NTC and that he’ll be rehired for the next two seasons for a dollar after a trade is made?

    The idea that if we don’t sign Hill to a fair contract (or someone like that) to be productive and help with the young players that we are automatically going to get a high lottery pick is probably wrong.

    1. We won 31 games last year.

    2. The east got dramatically WORSE.

    3. I would expect KP and WH to improve, FN might be a pleasant surprise despite his age, and even Baker might be better .

    4. Removing Melo could be neutral or even a net positive depending on who comes back.

    5. As far as I know we haven’t traded Courtney Lee yet and I’d been willing to bet we get as much or more out of the combination of Noah/Thomas next year.

    We are going to get a similar or worse pick next year if we do virtually nothing. If we add someone like Hill play PG, we’ll probably get a worse pick, but we’ll have him as an asset to trade in the future, get the upside of him teaching FN, and have a more competitive team to keep KP happy.

    The choice is not top 3 pick or Hill and the playoffs.

    The choice is probably the 10th pick vs. the 18 pick (or something like that) and possession of Hill to trade later, teach Frank, and keep KP happy.

    If you’d rather have the mildly better pick, that’s understandable, but if we do nothing and we wind up with a top 1-5 pick, that means KP is starting to look like just an average big man, WH made no progress, the rookies gave us nothing etc… That’s a reason to panic.

    Hill will meet with the Lakers and 99% will sign with them.And Kornet got signed for Westchester.

    I can’t believe we are debating whether having some veterans on the team helps with the development of young players. That seems like a no brainer to me. If you are good you will probably get to the promised land either way, but guys that have vastly more knowledge and experience at your position teaching you will accelerate the learning curve.

    @TommyBeer
    When asked about potential targets for Knicks next president, Woj mentions R.C. Buford & Neil Olshey (Queens native) as guys NY might pursue

    Yeah, calling nonsense on that MCW, Mudiay, Wroten nature-nurture-turnover argument.

    This isn’t the NFL where a rookie quarterback gets sacked fifty times during a season and is concussed beyond repair.

    Plus, guys like Harden and Curry are incredibly well-coached and still turn the ball over a fuckton. Wroten and Mudiay are also terrible at shooting. Coaching can help maximize player ability, but it ain’t gonna turn a D-Leaguer into an NBA starter. And guys aren’t going to suddenly learn to dribble or see the floor in the NBA, either. If it’s not second nature by the time they enter the league, it’s never going to happen. The game is far too fast to be learning basic skills with the quality of on-ball defenders in the league.

    I can’t believe we are debating whether having some veterans on the team helps with the development of young players.

    Yep…. Melo and Rose have certainly accelerated KP’s development 🙂

    This Damyean Dotson sure looks good at pick #44.

    I’m not a college follower, but the rape allegations had to cost this guy >10 draft positions. His metrics looked pretty amazing. An elite deep shooting and rebounding level. A ready made NBA body. Plays defense willingly.

    A last parting gift from Phil…..

    i should probably stop reading y’alls posts right now – cuz, this is actually starting to make sense:

    I’m warming to the idea of Rondo on a one/two year deal. Watching the Knicks play summer league without a point underscores how tough it is to evaluate players- especially bigs- when there is zero offensive cohesion. Rondo will get guys good looks.

    personality wise – who is there on the team for him to actually clash with…

    I don’t know if its possible to say how much veteran leadership helps players on the court. Off the court though? It definitely might help to keep them out of trouble.

    Normally I’d say let him sink or swim but with Frank you’re talking about a guy who’s never really played the point before. Asking an 18 year old to come in and run the team is likely to do nothing but increase the level of disfunction that we already have. Get Collison or Rondo on a one or two year deal and let Frank come off of the bench- if he plays great, move him up and start him later in the season but you can’t go into the season with a Frank, Baker, Randle line-up at the point- you’re just asking for a mid-season coaching change, more drama and the increased chance of Dolan doing something really stupid.

    I don’t think Rajon Rondo would be the difference between a stable team and a coach change mid-season… actually, I think getting Rondo would make it more likely that the season is filled with drama and instability.

    he hasn’t shown up to play with dudes like Wade and Dirk on the team, what makes anyone think he would be a model individual with Frank KP and Willy??

    Collison I can get behind, he’s a decent player and still young enough to be sorta relevant if he gets better, but I’m still completely 100% out on Rondo, Hill or any pricey PG… I would rather start Frank or Baker and see what happens, even if the Knicks “only” get to upgrade from a potential #15 pick to a #8 one.

    By the way, the difference between a the 3rd worst team last season (the Lakers) and the 10th worst (New Orleans) was 8 wins… I can’t see how the Pelicans young players got so much more value out of winning those 8 meaningless games than the Lakers players. I know, different situations, but I still can’t understand why the hell winning more games means young players get to develop better.

    yeah…more than likely rondo is just one of those people whom could get in an argument in a room, alone, all by himself…

    thanks for bringing me back to reality bruno 🙂

    dang, our options for a pg are drying up awfully fast…

    closing time feels fast upon us, all the cute chicks are long gone with somebody else…

    Just saw some summer Jonathan Isaac highlights.
    I have a sad. And now I’m WOKE to a full on tank next season. No more of this half assed mediocrity.

    I don’t really care about having a decent PG so the team can win more games and so Frank can have a mentor and all that crap. The reason to have a decent PG is so that we can at least see what we have with Porzingis. He was quite good as a 20 year-old rookie playing in a more pure triangle environment with Jose Calderon and Langston Galloway as the primary point guards, then he stagnated as a 21-year old in whatever offense we were running last year, with Derrick Rose running the point. Last year KP was out on the perimeter trying to create his own offense way too often.

    If the Knicks run Ron Baker and a very green Ntilikina out there at PG next year, you’re probably not going to see much of a leap from Porzingis. It’s going to be the same shit, with him doing lots of fugly and inefficient shot creating.

    @127

    man, does he look like a man among boys out there… the kid looks downright Durant-ish some times.

    Bam adabyo is fucking beast! He looks like a tougher serge ibaka

    And a defensive playing version of the manimal

    He’s gonna be a problem as an athletic 4. If he ever develops a jumper he may be an all star type player.

    I’ll be salty if he’s better than Frank.

    TJ leaf looks good too.

    I am not saying you need veterans, but you do need cohesion. Having zero even slightly competent point guards mean we might have trouble getting the ball past half court. There isn’t a single pg on this roster. Baker and Randle are both over their heads as lead guards and Frank probably doesn’t have the basic ball skills to be able to run an offense full time.

    We need stability and that means a competent pg to set up the offense. Hill would be great, who cares about cost we’re not signing anyone of note anyway for a couple years. So 3 years max. Collison would be fine, I just don’t want toxic ball dominators like Rondo and Rose.

    Dotsons on the court problem is that he didn’t get good until he was older and in a mediocre conference

    From what I’m reading this is what the half dozen Sixer fans (see what I did there?) must have been going through the past decade. We want very high draft picks, yes, but we want to show improvement also. Can we show improvement without getting more wins? What does it say about our high draft picks if we’re heading for another <20 win season?

    Shaq made ORL good all by himself. Then they lucked their one ping pong ball into Penny and that may not happen for another, like, 150 years.

    All in all I'm not down with "The Process" but right now I'm not psyched to get a caretaker PG. If we can get a decent young player who can start at PG until Frank is ready (Maybe through a deal for Melo, Lee or O'Quinn) and then be part of things, still, as we grow, I can roll with it, but right now I'd rather see what we have in Frank, Ron and Chasson than blow a bunch of dough on an older player with no future in the organization.

    Not gonna feel this way year after year, but let's kick the tires on a full reset this season.

    where did you hear that Dion Waiters is a Knick? I don’t see anything anywhere…

    The Dion Waiters tweet is fake. Look for the blue check before you go scaring people like that.

    There is a reason that young players on established teams like the Spurs and now the Warriors always seem to develop well. Putting too much on a young player especially in an environment with no structure hurts their development. There is a reason so many of the sixers young players have struggled.

    Hi my name is Kawhi Leonard. As a 20 year old rookie I started 39 games for the Spurs, and then in all of their 14 playoff games. Have you met my friend Tony Parker? At age 19 he came over from France and as a rookie started 77 games, the next year he won a championship and started in every game for them that year.

    And our rival Klay Thompson played 1600+ minutes as a 21 year old rookie on a team with no structure that won 35% of their games…

    @139

    I had to double check because I couldn’t believe it, but Giannis’ first year with the Bucks they won 15 games… 15!

    I can see Rondo becoming a Knick, a lot of people “buying in” saying how much he’ll be a positive experienced PG who can “ball”, and then disappearing once he feuds with the entire coaching staff for the 4th time, saying “but I didn’t actually 100% say that he would be great, you are spinning my words!”

    I keep thinking, well Rondo was in a bad situation in Chicago, maybe he will be better in a different environment, but then I remember he wore out his welcome in Dallas, with Carlisle, in what, a month or less?

    Srsly how in the name of living fuck does a 3 year, $50M contract for Dion fucking Waiters make any goddamn sense.

    It’s fake jk47.

    Brown and Tatum look like a devastating duo. Brown looks amazing. He’s definitely been in the gym

    Ah, I see now– that is a fake Begley account. Okay. Un-fire Mills. Re-fire Phil.

    It is totally okay to start rookies, it is also okay for rookies to play huge parts on their teams. It is important however that those teams have a solid foundation that the rookies enter into. A team with a system and defined roles. When the entire team is rookies and the coach is floundering around then harm starts occuring. Lots of players can overcome it but it is worse for their development than a well run organization.

    When you don’t have a single player who can dribble the ball up court against pressure then problems start occuring. Randle is the second best ball handler on the Knicks and Randle couldn’t handle pressure from a journeyman in a summer league game. Ntilikina doesn’t have the ball skills to be lead guard in a second or third tier European league and now we expect him to be able to run an NBA offense.

    This will be a trainwreck of standing around and iso ball if we don’t get at least one guard that knows how to run an offense.

    Collison signed with Indiana, 2 years 20 mil.

    I would have been very happy with that contract for the Knicks

    Collison was actually the one guard I’d be fine with bringing on a small deal, so it kinda sucks, yeah.

    we also have no idea what the Knicks are planning to do with Ntilikina, or if they even consider him a PG for the future, instead of a combo guard / full time 2… the bad thing is, the Knicks probably don’t either.

    We’re gonna sign Rondo to a 1+1, I’m sure of it.

    Hill will likely do a one year deal with LAL

    Teodosic is also still available it seems, I wouldn’t mind giving him a 1 year deal with an option for next season.

    Teodosic isn’t a good idea for us. He may be a very good passer (probably Europe’s best) and a good shooter but his athleticism and his defense are below par for the NBA.

    CSKA offered him a huge deal by European standards, 3 years 12 million, but I don’t think he has signed yet.

    I know he isn’t ideal, as he’s probably not much more then a Calderon on steroids, but if the idea is to bring someone who can have a veteran presence and help Ntilikina along the way, very few candidates are as fundamentally solid as Teodosic.

    the rumor was Joseph to the Pacers. but the Pacers signed Collison, so can we just have Joseph please and get the hell out of here?

    I agree on Joseph, he’d b an adequate addition at a reasonable cost.
    They need to get a first round draft pick included in any deal for Melo, this is a must.

    Wow, Gallinari to the Clippers as the Hawks decided to try to get something in exchange for Millsap, so they worked out a deal where the Clippers trade Jamal Crawford, Diamond Stone and the first round pick that they got from Houston to Atlanta and Atlanta signs and trades Millsap to the Nuggets (along with a second round pick) and the Nuggets sign and trade Gallinari to the Clippers. Good GMing by the Hawks to get a first round pick just for taking Crawford’s contract.

    Patrick Beverley/Austin Rivers/Liggins
    Lou Williams/Wesley Johnson
    Gallinari/Mbah a Moute/Dekker
    Griffin/Harrell
    Jordan/Brice Johnson

    That team would probably have home court in the playoffs if they played in the East.

    It seems like the Nuggets give up Gallinari in return for a second round pick and getting Millsap on a sign and trade instead of as a free agent. I think getting him as a sign and trade might mean that he keeps his Bird rights instead of losing them, so Denver could resign him in the future even if over the cap. Since the Nuggets no longer had room for Gallo, they did OK to get a second round pick and a more favorable contract situation with Millsap.

    That’s going to be some front line for the Clippers. I don’t think this is all Doc’s doing. They hired Jerry West as a consultant and I suspect he’s doing his job. I wish we could get him as GM.

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