Knicks Morning News (2017.07.01)

  • [NYDN] Ron Baker announces he is re-signing with Knicks
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 8:40:26 PM)

    Baker announced on Twitter he re-signed with the Knicks.

  • [NYDN] Steve Mills, Knicks GM, making power play to become president
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 5:04:39 PM)

    Mills, a survivor of several regimes because of his closeness with James Dolan,

  • [NYDN] Knicks’ Frank Ntilikina to miss first Summer League game
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 1:17:07 PM)

    Frank Ntilikina is still sitting on the sidelines.

  • [NYDN] Derrick Rose a long shot to return to the Knicks: sources
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 12:59:54 PM)

    Despite reports of mutual interest before Phil Jackson was fired, a reunion between the Knicks and Derrick Rose appears to be a longshot.

  • [NYDN] Maurice Ndour waived as Knicks continue to move on from Phil era
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 11:10:37 AM)

    In a move that underscored the changing-of-the-guard, the Knicks waived forward Maurice Ndour on Friday.

  • [NYDN] Hornacek explains why Longstaff is no longer part of Knicks staff
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 9:52:13 AM)

    Jeff Hornacek offered a cold explanation for letting go of assistant Josh Longstaff.

  • [NYDN] John Calipari denies rumored interest in being Knicks prez
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 8:40:29 AM)

    Calipari might be ready to try his hand at the NBA again.

  • [NYDN] What Phil should have learned from Bill Russell, Red Auerbach
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 7:15:57 AM)

    This week Bill Russell was honored with a Lifetime Achievement Award at the NBA Awards Show.

  • [NYDN] Greg Anthony Q&A: Ex-Knick talks New York’s uncertain future
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 7:07:49 AM)

    Greg Anthony answered a few questions from the Daily News on the aftermath and New York’s uncertain future:

  • [NYDN] Knicks not expected to pursue Raptors president Masai Ujiri
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 5:59:43 AM)

    The Knicks have reportedly removed one name from their list of possible Phil Jackson replacements: Masai Ujiri.

  • [NYPost] Ron Baker ‘excited’ to be returning to the Knicks
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 9:27:39 PM)

    ORLANDO, Fla. — It didn’t take long after midnight Saturday for Knicks restricted free agent Ron Baker to tweet he’s coming back. Baker tweeted: “Excited to be returning to the #Knicks next season! S/O all my family & friends! #Love The 6-foot-4 undrafted product out of Wichita State was given the strongest praise by former…

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ desperate point guard hunt may lead to family reunion
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 5:27:27 PM)

    ORLANDO, Fla. — The Knicks’ search for a starting point guard may not take them through the holiday, but they have interest in reuniting the Holidays — brothers Jrue and Justin — NBA sources told The Post. Nevertheless, Jrue Holiday is seeking more than the cap space the Knicks have. If the Knicks renounce the…

  • [NYPost] Knicks waive Phil Jackson-era big man on eve of free agency
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 1:25:53 PM)

    In both a symbolic and cap-saving move, the Knicks waived forward Mo Ndour on Friday. The deadline to guarantee his $1.3 million contract was midnight. The defensive forward was the favorite of Clarence Gaines Jr., departed Phil Jackson’s trusted advisor. The Post reported last winter Ndour was kept on the roster over Chasson Randle out…

  • [NYPost] Jeff Hornacek: Why we didn’t need Porzingis’ favorite coach
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 11:03:46 AM)

    ORLANDO – Jeff Hornacek confirmed letting go of assistant coach Josh Longstaff was not a revenge shot at Kristaps Porzingis. In fact, Hornacek said with Longstaff’s contract expired, he sensed they had enough developmental-type coaches on the staff. Hornacek said Longstaff will not be replaced. GM Steve Mills had inquired about ex-Knick Pablo Prigioni but…

  • [NYPost] Frank Ntilikina’s Knicks debut will wait; talk with Carmelo did not
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 10:42:45 AM)

    ORLANDO, Fla. — Knicks rookie point guard Frank Ntilikina didn’t even realize his tricky name was badly misspelled on the back of his jersey during Wednesday’s summer league practice. It was only when the Knicks’ website posted photos of the young Frenchman online that the error was spotted and made the rounds of social media….

  • [NYPost] John Calipari sounds like Knicks job talk really struck a nerve
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 6:32:17 AM)

    Kentucky coach John Calipari vehemently denied a report his intermediaries have contacted the Knicks to express his interest in the vacant job as president of basketball operations. Calipari has been interested in a high-profile NBA gig for years and always has the Knicks on his radar. It’s no surprise his C.A.A. intermediaries reportedly made contact; the…

  • [NYTimes] Paul George Is Said to Be Traded to Oklahoma City Thunder
    (Saturday, July 01, 2017 2:50:05 AM)

    George joins reigning M.V.P. Russell Westbrook as the Thunder look to compete against the Golden State Warriors in the Western Conference.

  • [NYTimes] N.B.A. Free Agency: Blake Griffin and Gordon Hayward Lead This Year’s Class
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 3:06:07 PM)

    This year’s free-agency period, which begins on Saturday, could be wilder than usual. Here’s a look at the big names and rumors.

  • [NYTimes] Brittney Griner’s Big Leap Takes the Phoenix Mercury Forward
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 8:18:36 PM)

    A cornerstone of a rebuilt roster, the 6-foot-8 Griner has become more of an offensive threat, and she and her coach believe there’s no limit to how much better she can get.

  • [NYTimes] The Saturday Profile: From N.B.A. Bench Player to Cult Hero in Turkey
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 4:05:05 PM)

    Ekpe Udoh led his team to this year’s Euroleague title, but he is revered primarily for what he does off the court: embrace Turkish culture.

  • [NYTimes] Stephen Curry Is Set to Sign Record N.B.A. Deal With Warriors
    (Saturday, July 01, 2017 5:59:04 AM)

    Curry’s new contract with Golden State, which will be finalized on July 6, is said to be worth $201 million over five years.

  • [ESPN] Sources: Knicks high on George Hill; talk to Rockets about Carmelo trade
    (Saturday, July 01, 2017 3:20:36 AM)

    Sources: Knicks high on George Hill; talk to Rockets about Carmelo trade

  • [ESPN] Boeheim disses triangle, wants best for Melo
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 2:32:22 PM)

    Boeheim disses triangle, wants best for Melo

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks, point guard Ron Baker agree on a new deal as free agency begins
    (Saturday, July 01, 2017 2:03:23 AM)

    ORLANDO, Fla. — Shortly after midnight, the Knicks reached their first free-agent agreement, coming to terms on a new deal for Ron Baker on Saturday morning.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ sales pitch to free agents based on hope
    (Saturday, July 01, 2017 2:01:15 AM)

    ORLANDO, Fla. — The Knicks’ sales pitch to free agents will be far different from last year, when they sold the opportunity to play with Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose and Kristaps Porzingis.

  • [NY Newsday] Frank Ntilikina improving but out for Knicks’ summer league opener
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 9:58:00 PM)

    Frank Ntilikina was working out after he was drafted by the Knicks in the same gym as Carmelo Anthony, and the two had a conversation. But Ntilikina said Anthony didn’t have any message and didn’t talk to him about being a Knick.

  • [NY Newsday] Jeff Hornacek explains why Josh Longstaff wasn’t retained as Knicks assistant coach
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 9:56:23 PM)

    ORLANDO, Fla. — Jeff Hornacek said Friday that the Knicks didn’t retain assistant coach Josh Longstaff because they have enough personnel and former NBA players on staff who can do his job.

  • [SNY Knicks] Jim Boeheim thinks the triangle is “the worse offense ever”
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 7:56:36 PM)

    Syracuse head coach Jim Boeheim believes the triangle offense is “the worst offense ever,” per ESPN’s Myron Medcalf.

  • [SNY Knicks] Derrick Rose reunion with Knicks doesn’t appear likely: report
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 5:31:20 PM)

    Though interest was mutual, a reunion between PG Derrick Rose and the Knicks doesn’t appear likely, per NY Daily News’ Stefan Bondy.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks to waive Maurice Ndour
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 2:07:29 PM)

    The Knicks had signed Ndour last July. He previously spent time with Real Madrid and the Mavericks after going undrafted in 2015.

  • [SNY Knicks] Frank Ntilikina to miss Summer League opener due to bruised knee
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 12:20:59 PM)

    Ntilikina missed practice on Thursday and Friday due to the knee.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks interested in former Cavaliers GM David Griffin
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 9:39:56 AM)

    Griffin, who was GM of the Cavaliers from 2014 until parting ways last week, has already had a preliminary conversation with the Knicks.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks not expected to pursue Masai Ujiri as Phil Jackson’s replacement
    (Friday, June 30, 2017 9:20:34 AM)

    Hiring Ujiri away from the Raptors likely would’ve resulted in the Knicks having to send draft pick compensation to Toronto.

  • 168 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.07.01)”

    Jrue resigning with NO at 5yr 126M

    Is Justin a goner?

    I would assume New Orleans has no cap room to sign him, so the dream of the brothers playing together is gone. Now it’s a matter of what his market is independent of Jrue

    So there’s like no PGs left for us to fuck up with besides Derrick Rose or, depending on how you view him, Rondo. Seems like it’s Hill or bust for us in FA.

    *knocks on wood*

    Personally I’d rather hand Frank the keys [to a tank]. Winning now would be fun but not good for the long-term. I’m not sold on the importance of finding a vet to “groom” Frank.

    That’s a nice number for Jrue. I can see why he signed. If we end up with Randle, Baker and Ntilikina as our point guard rotation, that’s ok with me. I am not expecting miracles this coming season. Our scoring strength is in the front court anyway

    In the days leading up to free agency, members of the New York Knicks’ front office told people that their priorities were to find a veteran point guard to help groom rookie Frank Ntilikina and to put together a younger roster without overspending on free agents.

    Whoever said this should be our GM. Sadly, that guy may have been Phil.

    I don’t need scoring from our PG, but someone who can actually set up the offense and get KP the ball in the right spot might be nice. And it wouldn’t hurt to have Frank learn from a vet who knows how to do that.

    I wouldn’t do anything free agent wise until melo is gone. Then it will be time to really assess what you have and get a time line in mind.

    So as things stand, roll with the 3 young pgs, whose only job will be to dribble the ball up the court and pass it to melo anyway.

    And it wouldn’t hurt to have Frank learn from a vet who knows how to do that.

    George Hill it is.

    BTW, this is where Phil’s bad FA moves have cost us. Overspending to get a guy like Noah and Melo only puts a damper on when we really should pay a little more. A dude like George Hill would be perfect to mentor young Frank.

    I wouldn’t do anything free agent wise until melo is gone. Then it will be time to really assess what you have and get a time line in mind.

    They might all be gone by then. The top-tier point guard market has all but dried up as we speak.

    Cavs targeting Calderon as their backup pg is a game changer. If there’s anything that hurt them this year it was not having enough former Knicks and too much youth and athleticism at backup point.

    I really like George Hill. In fact if there’s one thing I’m elite at in life it’s probably liking George Hill. But it’s hard to imagine a contract that makes sense for him making sense for us.

    Ouch, I just looked over next year’s free agent class and the best pgs are cp3, Tony Parker and Seth Curry, so George Hill may not be a bad idea after all.

    I’m down for a George Hill contract close to the max IF it means we’re moving Courtney Lee to make the required space for said contract. I’ll take dumping Lee for some marginal asset and replacing the cap space with George Hill whose age at contract expiration would be the same as Courtney’s over Courtney Lee any day. I’d probably rather sit on the cap space but that doesn’t seem like it’s happening.

    Sign two of Ingles, Alan Williams, and George Hill and id say that’s a good FA.

    If we can get Rondo for 10-12 mil and 1-2 years plus an efficient SF we may have a pretty fun starting 5.

    If we want a cheaper option at PG what about Collison? I’d much rather have him than Rondo or Rose and he’ll probably be in the 8-12 million dollar range.

    I’m down for a George Hill contract close to the max IF it means we’re moving Courtney Lee to make the required space for said contract.

    It all depends on the duration, right? I don’t want to see us commit to pay $35 million to 34 year old George Hill. We’re not a good enough team to justify taking that on (just like we weren’t last year with Noah, even though Hill is admittedly not nearly as big a risk as Noah was). I’d happily give Hill a 2 year max if we could clear Lee (either at no cost or for some return, that is), but I don’t see how that would make sense for him. Three years might be the mutual sweet spot, but I’m skeptical that makes sense for us. We end up with over $50m committed two injury prone 33+ guys in 2019-20?

    Orlando reportedly offering Ingles 4yrs/60m

    Doubt we’d exceed that for him since we’re apparently looking to not tie ourselves down too significantly other than looking at George Hill

    I think three years for Hill is tenable, but four is too many given that we’re gonna have to pay both KP and Willy by then. I also think Hill might end up commanding less than the max. someone on twitter mentioned how we’re quite interested in Hill but not enough to get in a bidding war with Denver for him, which implies that we’re looking to get him at a value at least somewhat below the max

    I can’t wrap my head around 5 years 173 million for Blake Griffin. He’s been healthy for a whole season 3 out of the 8 years he’s been a pro.

    Amar’e Stoudemire 2.0

    I really don’t understand how there are people out there who are hired to make these moves, and I’m still blogging from my mom’s basement.

    It’s fascinating that the talk with David Griffin has been for him to work under Steve Mills. If you’re just going to keep Steve Mills in charge, why hire a “name” at all then? Just get an up and coming front office guy instead, someone who teams can’t/won’t stop from leaving if he/she is getting a promotion to GM.

    Of the even remotely plausible FA point guards, the only ones I would have been comfortable giving a long term deal to are Jrue & Patty. George Hill is a really good player but he’s 31 and couldn’t stay healthy last year. The Knicks aren’t good-we don’t need to be committing to paying dead money for current production. I’d prefer Rondo to Collison, because I think he’s a better player, but if Collison would come here for 2 years he wouldn’t be a terrible signing.

    Collision for two years would be okay. Hill would cost too much/too many years and Rondo has too much potential to create problems. I think it’s worth getting someone besides Baker and Randle if only for KP and Willy’s development- and maybe Hill would be worth it for that alone but I’m not sure. Frank’s point guard skills are underdeveloped right now and I think you’re setting him up for failure if you play him there too soon.

    UGH!

    Ian Begley
    ESPN Staff Writer

    The Knicks have reached out to free agent point guard Derrick Rose, per league sources. Per ESPN’s Jeff Goodman, Rose is a serious option for the Knicks at this point because they are looking for a point guard and many of the top PGs are not on the board. Some in the organization also see free agent George Hill as an option but New York would likely need to clear out cap space to make a competitive offer to Hill. They have approximately $15 million in cap space if they renounce their rights to Rose and use cap space to re-sign him.

    I predict that both Carmelo Anthony and Courtney Lee are gone in a few days. Talk on ESPN has been about Daryl Morey has a laser focus on Melo. Melo wants will jump on joining CP3 and Harden. The obvious pink elephant in the room is D’antoni being run out of NY by Melo. They aren’t the only teams vying for his services. We must get value for him. MUST. If it’s the Rockets, I want their 2020 or 2021 first round pick in the package. That group is getting old and in three years, in an even stronger Western conference, I have to believe they will be rebuilding in two years.

    A lot of executives will look at Lee as a 3-and-D that was denied the ball because of the system and IsoMelo. He’s very marketable. I’m hoping for a at least one young player that we can control in return. That’s a salary off the books. Damn it makes that Noah contract look like a huge albatross.

    If this scenario pans out, in 3 years we might look back at this summer as one of the best summers the Knicks ever had.

    Why would hill want to come to the knicks unless they seriously overpay and give him 4 years. Someone will pay stupid money and give him 4 years out of desperation. I like hill a lot and think he would be a good fit here but if we do get him it’s probably going to be on a bad contract. I have a bad feeling we could end up with rondo or god help us rose even tho rumors say the latter is now unlikely.

    @24 I guess I spoke too soon.

    Rose coming back would be devastating. Especially since we would probably give him an incredibly dum contract. I’d rather start rambis at point guard than rose.

    Who in the Knicks hierarchy thinks bringing back Rose is a good idea?

    I was starting to feel a little hopeful about the upcoming season with Phil gone and the Melo trade rumors gaining steam, but re-signing Rose would just be an awful development.

    Someone’s gotta be the odd man out in golden state. Probably klay. They can’t give max money to everyone right. I wonder if they look to trade him at some point.

    A lot of executives will look at Lee as a 3-and-D that was denied the ball because of the system and IsoMelo. He’s very marketable

    His usage was in line with his career numbers. Shot a few more threes this past year than normal. Lee’s a fine player but I don’t think anyone is going to be expecting his game to improve at his age.

    A lot of executives will look at Lee as a 3-and-D that was denied the ball because of the system and IsoMelo. He’s very marketable. I’m hoping for a at least one young player that we can control in return.

    We keep hearing of how marketable he is and yet whenever they do market him, no one seems interested.

    I hope we keep holding off on signing a PG till the PBO question is settled. Very concerned a desperation move now could fuck us down the line.

    The only upside to re-signing Rose is that playing next to him could be good for Frank’s self-esteem.

    Rose on something like 1+1 team option is not a killer but it does indicate the current front office has no fucking clue what they’re doing.

    That’s the thing, DRed. When you are trying to build a young, team-first culture, why would you sign a ball-dominant, no-D, me-first PG? It is so contrary to what we are being led to believe about the team’s direction.

    The only explanation for bringing back Derrick Rose is that Dolan’s Razor is real.

    Holiday for $126M and Blake at $173. This shit is bananas.

    I wouldn’t give Rose a vet’s minimum. George Hill is too old for a long contract, even though with Rubio off the table, he’s the best path to a winning season.

    i could see mills making a desperate move to “prove himself” to Dolan as capable to handle the job. Unfortunately this could really set us back if that move is bringing back Rose on any deal. The knicks will never be able to successfully rebuild this team as long as they feel the need to make a big move every year in free agency. they make moves out of desperation because they think not doing anything means the off-season was a failure. This offseason there’s no big splash they need to make just sit tight and sell what pieces you can (melo,lee) for whatever future assets you can get. That would be a truly successful offseason. There’s no scenario where we are going to be a contender next year anyway.

    The sad thing is that while Phil was bad, Mills might be even worse. We don’t know yet. The only thing we know about Mills as an executive, really, is that he helped cover up Isiah Thomas’ sexual harassment and that that he was going to trade THJ (or Shump) and a 2018 first rounder for Kyle Lowry a few years back before Dolan overruled him. While obviously Lowry has played like a guy worthy of trading a first rounder for since that point, I was against the trade at the time and I’m still against it in retrospect, as the Knicks were not in a position where trading unprotected first round draft picks was a good idea (that Lowry dramatically improved his play after the trade also plays a bit of a part).

    If Derrick Rose and Melo are back next year, this team gon’ suck on defense again

    I really don’t understand how there are people out there who are hired to make these moves, and I’m still blogging from my mom’s basement.

    lmao

    It gets worse as the decades pass. 30 years from now you will know massively more about a number of subjects than you do now. At that point, this kind of stupidity will turn you into a grumpy old man. I wasn’t always a cynical angry arrogant bald old white dude. 🙂 I actually used to be an idealistic progressive optimistic young man living in my mother’s basement. 🙂

    There is zero justification for bringing back Rose or Rondo. Neither is any good anymore and we don’t want either being an influence or teaching our young players.

    Hill makes a little more sense as long as we don’t overpay him or give him too many years. He will make the team better, might even get us to the playoffs if a few other things break our way, and will be a great role model for our young players, especially Frank.

    Other than that, I think the goal should be to trade Melo and accumulate assets and free agents on fair contracts. As long as we accumulate picks and decent/good players and their contracts are good values, we will be able to move them at a later date if need be and perhaps even roll some up into a better player. I see no real urgency in landing any specific players on long term deals unless they will be part of the long term core.

    As I said yesterday, why not just sit tight and tank?

    Take a long look at Ron and Randle at PG to see if either is a rotation player. Work Frank in gradually as he’s young and did not play big minutes in France. It’s going to be a long season for him.

    Who needs some mediocre to bad veteran PG or an egocentric idiot like Rose or Rondo? Hill would be a nice get at 2 years, but any more than that (and he’s likely to get 4 years from some team) is a problem.

    I hope these reports about Houston set on Melo are true. Further, it’s a very long shot, I know, but maybe Hayward spurns the Celtics and Ainge finally gets a bit nervous and asks about Melo. He won’t part with his MY PRECIOUSSSSS first rounders, but maybe get Jaylen Brown and some expiring salary refuse from him.

    I hate to break this to you all, but unless or until Dolan brings someone on who he’s willing to defer to, riget now melo is the POBO. So the Rose noise makes sense once you accept that.

    Knicks one of the teams that have interest in MCW per Marc Spears

    Fuck it. Sign him to a 1+1. Having MCW as your starting guard means you have Luka Doncic in your future.

    Jsports ent says Williams to Knicks is heating up.

    Alan Williams is a KOQ-esque pickup. Maybe Kyle is on the block to make way for the younger guy.

    Or maybe we’re just looking to build a team of 15 Kyle o Quinns

    One of the interesting things of Jackson’s tenure is that the Knicks, while still making bad decisions, weren’t making traditional bad Knick decisions (of the Dolan era), like signing guys like MCW. It’s good to know that they’re back to their more predictable past. Wait, did I say good? I meant horrible.

    I hate to break this to you all, but unless or until Dolan brings someone on who he’s willing to defer to, riget now melo is the POBO. So the Rose noise makes sense once you accept that.

    What makes you think Melo likes Rose?

    I will admit that I had never even heard of Alan Williams until this morning, but his numbers last year were actually pretty good:

    per36: 17.6pts/14.8rb/1.6blk/1.4stls; .547ts%; .146 ws/48

    I’d sign up for a team of 15 KOQs and Luka Doncic.

    I hate to say it, but Hill/rookies/Melo/KP/Willy is a pretty decent team. If they mostly scrap the triangle, they can pick and roll with KP, post up Melo, and do some other things that will play to their strengths.

    I saw a few a Bulls games last year and was astounded how horrible MCW was . I knew the numbers were bad, but to watch the guy live and realize somebody paid him money to play in the NBA while Seth Curry was begging for scraps..it boggles the mind, like one knee past his prime playing below the rim jump shooting Blake getting 173 mil.

    @48
    The most “traditional” of Knicks mistakes was the trading away 1st round picks as if they were loose change in Dolan’s man purse!

    @49, I don’t know, he just seems like the kind of star name melo and Dolan would like.

    @47 then why didn’t we draft/sign Kennedy Meeks? He’s very kyle o’quinnish.

    Michael Carter-Williams talk reminds me of Derrick Williams talk back a couple of years ago, except that MCW is actually older and worse. There is absolutely no reason to sign him. Just light the money on fire and put a big pot of water on the flames, at least you can brew some very expensive tea or cook some pasta or something.

    The other tradition is acquiring redundant players. Jerome James/ Curry, Marbury/Francis, Amare/melo

    Now I could be down with Alan Williams. Anyone whose nickname is Big Sauce is my kind of player.

    We don’t need a name guy at PG. Ntilikina is allegedly our PG of the future, so let’s let him play PG. If that causes us to win 20 games, so be it.

    One year of Rose or Rondo is not going to help anyone. A multi-year contract for a 31-year old George Hill is not a fit with our timeline.

    More heresy…and hopefully hearsay:

    Ian Begley
    ESPN Staff Writer

    The Knicks have reached out to both Rajon Rondo and Darren Collison, per league sources.

    Of all the pg names being thrown around, I wouldn’t mind a 1 year rondo deal just for the comedy of it, plus he really is a past first pg who can rebound and play some d, so he might be a positive match with KP

    A lot of rumors flying around and they collectively provide zero insight as to what the hell our front office, whatever that is at the moment, has in mind.

    -Alan Williams would be downright awesome.
    -MCW sucks. If we’re seriously interested I can only hope it’s an intentional tank move, which it will not be.
    -I don’t understand the hostility towards Rondo if it’s a one year deal. He can set up KP and Willy well and would actually probably be a pretty good Frank mentor. If he becomes some kind of issue, cut him.

    It’s NBA free agent frenzy time and the Knicks have no POBO.

    Quality. Well done, everybody.

    Free agent guard Langston Galloway is finalizing a three-year, $21M deal with the Detroit Pistons, league sources tell ESPN.

    From Woj. Good for Langston. From DLeague to $21 mil.

    Yeah, to be fair, Collison would be good value on a short-term 7-figure deal. He’s a league-average PG who can shoot the 3 and pass fairly well.

    I am Team Rondo. Just the possibility of him screwing Melo enough to get us rid of the Melocancer is a fine reason to sign him. Plus he is a pass first PG who will help Porzingis and Willy get open looks, and a good defender which we haven’t seen from Shumpert’s rookie season.

    Count me in on a 1+1 Rondo deal

    Is Justin a goner?

    Let’s hope so. Why would we want him at 8m/year when we got plenty of wings who need time?

    George Hill is a really good player but he’s 31

    Keep in mind also Hill ranked 57th out of 70 in dime %. Do we not need more of a distributor/playmaker type at this time? Help me Rondo, help help me Rondo, help me Rondo – to get him (Rose) out of my life. It’s all very depressing, no real options. ::puke::

    -I don’t understand the hostility towards Rondo if it’s a one year deal. He can set up KP and Willy well and would actually probably be a pretty good Frank mentor. If he becomes some kind of issue, cut him.

    Did you really just use the words “Rondo” and “mentor” in the same sentence?

    I want no part of the guy, he’s team cancer.

    The other tradition is acquiring redundant players. Jerome James/ Curry

    Just as we wondered if Durant and Curry could share the ball, so we once worried whether there were enough pastry to keep everyone satisfied.

    Do any of us want Ntilikina learning about the NBA game from Rondo?

    How about making Lee a 1? He’s already under contract and is capable of doing everything we’d want a PG to do?

    Lee shoots, passes and defends well enough to pass as a stopgap 1 that can mentor Frank.

    Do any of us want Ntilikina learning about the NBA game from Rondo?

    Rajon Rondo was very good at the NBA game for a long time, and in some ways still is, so sure I guess?

    Rondo is a weird dude but I’ve never heard anything actually bad about him. Again, I wouldn’t support more than one guaranteed year, but the guy is still a very good playmaker–the likes of which KP has never had.

    Ignore the DBPM. Rondo’s hasn’t played regular season defense since the Ipad debuted.

    Rondo is a weird dude but I’ve never heard anything actually bad about him.

    You mean like when he called Bill Kennedy a faggot or refused to run the plays that RC called?

    By all accounts Rondo is a very good teammate to some guys and more often clashes with coaches, stars, or management

    The rank and file seem to love him. Also that instagram post responding to Wade and Butler took massive amounts of stones

    The alternative I’d propose to Lee as a 1 would be starting Ron at the 1 (Randle backing him up) and challenging Frank to take that spot.

    Ron actually was pretty decent as an NBA starting 1 last season.

    You mean like when he called Bill Kennedy a faggot or refused to run the plays that RC called?

    Forgot about the first thing which was very bad, but also our starting point guard from last season probably raped someone.

    I’m just saying, it would be nice to see what Porzingis could do with someone who actually cared to get him the ball. One year deal y’all!

    Just as we wondered if Durant and Curry could share the ball, so we once worried whether there were enough pastry to keep everyone satisfied.

    Post of the day. lmao

    Rondo is fine for one year as a player on the court I guess. If/when he starts feuding with Hornaceck is what I’m worried about.

    Hill is not signing in NY unless they massively overpay
    More likely Rondo, Collison, or no one.
    Full tank mode has arrived, embrace it.

    I don’t hate Rondo the player, but he comes with baggage. I’m not sure this is the organization that needs 100s of articles from Asshola, Berman, SA Smith etc… calling the Knicks a continuing dumpster fire and out of control organization the first time he acts up.

    If they are hell bent on signing a true PG for 1 or 2 years, then I vote for Collison as long as the price is reasonable and it doesn’t extend past 2 years. Maybe the sample size is way too small, but typically when a team loses Chris Paul, it becomes a steaming pile of garbage. I’ve seen Collison backup Paul at times and it functioned fairly well. I suspect he’s a little better than given credit for, but one thing he is not is a defender.

    Rondo is also known for holding on to the ball for a large portion of the clock waiting for his teammate to get into scoring position, killing the offensive flow. Has any of his teams been top 10 in offensive rating?

    Anybody but Rondo. Except maybe Rose.

    Did I just read a post referring to Rondo as a good “mentor” choice for the Knicks? What? We’re talking about a guy who unfailingly antagonizes his own coaches and the refs.

    Please, Magic. Sign him for the Lakers!

    From Simmons’ lips to Ainge’s ears:

    Prediction: if the Celts don’t get Gordon Hayward, they will regroup quickly and try to land Carmelo.

    From Simmons’ lips to Ainge’s ears:

    Prediction: if the Celts don’t get Gordon Hayward, they will regroup quickly and try to land Carmelo.

    I wish this were true, but let’s be honest, Ainge isn’t that stupid.

    Based on 6:00 of summer league ball we really need a PG

    Word. Unless OJ is serbialicious.

    You needed summer league to discover that?
    This just in, the Knicks have needed a point guard for this entire century….

    Could you give us some notes Stratomatic? I don’t want to give Rose any page views.

    @88
    I wondered about that earlier. Ainge isn’t stupid, but maybe desperation could cause him to lose his better judgement and try to get Melo on the cheap?

    Orlando Summer League looks so cheap compared to Vegas. Really hope now that Phil is gone the Knicks return to Vegas next year since Phil is the reason they left Vegas.

    The only upside to re-signing Rose is that playing next to him could be good for Frank’s Self-esteem.

    Another contender for post of the day.

    Randle’s handle is super loose. Karamaz might tear up the d league. Needs to learn to finish better, but he’s young.

    Randle looking like his mentor Rose. Dotson looks completely lost on both ends. Labeyrie looking solid tho.

    Players that impressed in the first half:
    Labeyrie (looked ready to play in NBA)
    Jaramez
    Kornet

    Players that I didn’t:
    Randle (always thought he was bad)
    Dotson (didn’t really get his number called the entire half)

    what have we seen in Jaramaz, Labeyrie, and Kornet so far? I can’t watch the game atm.

    Labeyrie was excellent in LNB Pro A this year. I’d like to see him on the roster this season.

    Labeyrie playing heads up, the smart pass instead of forcing shots. Playing the floor general a bit. Smarter defense than we’ve seen before, still needs work though.

    Reddick to the 76ers for 1 yr, 24m

    looking at dotson’s box score and i see that hes got 5 bounds. dude can really get it

    Yeah but he’s been missing his jumper all day it seems. It’s good to see that he can remain effective even if he’s not shooting well

    That Rosen column was an all-timer. It was like Phil said, “Fuck it, let me just address everything that has ever bugged me.” Dude went after Jim fucking Boeheim!!! How insane is that? “They’re going to fire me? Oh, the gloves are finally off, Boeheim!”

    The craziest stuff was by far, though, the Rambis stuff. That was some real Captain Queeg shit. “They’re all trying to take my strawberries…I mean, my job!”

    It makes sense that Rosen would be mad, though, as he just lost the only reason anyone ever would read a Charley Rosen column.

    Tarik Black waived by Lakers

    Shumpert might be getting sent to Houston

    Jaramaz is quick, pesky help defense. Penetrates well but struggling finishing. Good drive and kick. Looks a little lost on the weak side. Kinda seems like he’s got a case of the nerves, I’m curious to see if he settles down a little bit. Wasn’t doing much primary ball handling while he was in.

    So Kornets been bombing from 3, which we knew he could kind of do, but what else has he shown or not shown?

    What in the actual f— with that Reddick deal????

    23 mil for one year. Of Reddick.

    Okay.

    Randle’s handle is super loose…. ( Penetrates well but struggling finishing

    “The pump don’t work cause Randle’s got no handle.”

    The real standout was Dwight Buycks, but he’s 28. Seems an odd choice for summer league at this point. I’d think he’d make more money staying in China than trying to pick up a vet min deal.

    Summary:
    Labeyrie was better, but still looks too raw at his age to play in an NBA rotation. Definitely improved, though.
    Jaramaz has a tight handle and is sneaky quick. Got to the basket several times with crafty moves and didn’t finish. Sneaky athletic, alert, pesky defender. Made some dumb plays being over-aggressive. Jumper looks solid, although two of his makes were after the whistle and would have had a 4-point chance except he stepped out of bounds. Definitely a kid to watch.
    Dotson: strong, athletic, good size. Game seems to fast for him. found his shot in last minute of game. Jury is out.
    Kornet: think a less athletic and coordinated Steve Novak. Not a chance he makes the roster this year.
    Randle: got schooled by Buycks, doesn’t look like a PG.
    Plumlee: same shit
    Everyone else: …check, please!

    If the going price for Redick is 1/23, surely somebody must want Courtney Lee for 3/36?

    Agreed. Hope Frank gets in a couple games, he and Jaramaz might compliment well in a few years. We should cut bait on Randle, def not an NBA PG, defense not good enough to play the 2.

    Randle played reasonably well last year and I think we should keep him.

    I only saw some of the first half. Randle looked absolutely awful, FWIW. Shockingly so.

    Labeyrie looked much better, but probably b/c he looked so bad and temperamental before. But he does bear watching. I’d say he has an outside chance to stick. He did rebound well and was efficient.

    Randle isn’t showing any improvement. Don’t think it’s worth a roster spot for a guy who’s stalled out at third string level.

    Labeyrie was intriguing, and has clearly improved a lot. Jaramaz looked like he had a well rounded game except none of his shots went in and he looks like he needs to bulk up a bit. Plumlee did Plumlee things and probably shouldn’t be on the summer league roster. Kornet shot well, but it looks like he can’t rebound at all for a guy who is 7’0″. I guess he has some intrigue as a possible Novak type player.

    On the bad side, it’s hard to overstate how badly Randle got annihilated by someone named Dwight Buycks, who repeatedly just took the basketball from him like he was a child. And the defense as a team was pretty Knicksian.

    I have no problem keeping Randle for now, but he’s definitely not a PG. To be fair, Buycks is a good defender but also not a great PG, more of an undersized 2.

    Randle’s handle wasn’t so good.

    Sorry. I couldn’t resist. But yeah, Buycks totally owned him.

    Who cares, though. Let’s see Frankie!

    What’s with the one year deals from 76ers (Amir and JJ). Are those nice moves or what and why are the Knicks seems so quiet

    I guess they want to semi-competitive without compromising their future cap. Both JJ and Amir are reliable players and let the 76ers to get a better idea what they already have, and what team they want for the future.

    He couldn’t hold a candle to that overseas vandal. Total scandal.

    While wearing sandals.

    More than anything I’m hoping that with Griffin gone Lebron pushes the Cavs to do the Love-Harris-George trade with Melo instead. Wishful thinking for sure.

    Randle’s handle is a total scandal
    Compared to Frankie and Ron.
    But if we sign Rondo to a jumbo contracto
    Our point guard will be a moron.

    MCW surely isn’t great, but he’s worth 20 mil less than Reddick?

    The Melo situation is starting to look like the end of the night at a bar, where all the hot girls are taken, and you start looking at the second tier.

    Let’s hope Ainge is wearing his beer goggles.

    Charlie Rosen is a funny old man. Do they all smoke together with Phil and Kurt?
    Did I read that Hornacek article right? They have 25 staff supporting Knicks? on the triangle?

    Only hope Rambis will be gone and go back to LA. Magic will hire him.

    There once was a GM named Phil
    Whose tenure was quite the buzzkill
    A truculent fellow
    He feuded with Melo
    And squandered all his goodwill!

    There once was an owner named Dolan
    Full of more shit than a colon
    For despite all his blunders
    Everyone wondered
    How his ego remained so damn swollen.

    I think my ideal off-season would be something like: trade Melo to HOU/BOS for scrap, trade Lee, sign A Williams for 4 yrs, sign Rondo/Collison to a 1+1, and sign Reggie Bullock for 3 yrs plus team option to be our starting sf

    Starting 5 of Rondo/Collison, Randle/Baker/Frank, Bullock, KP, Willy

    That’s a nice young group of players who won’t win many games this year but might win a lot by years 3 or 4

    Ntilakilla with the Knicklimericks!

    If the Knicks sign Rondo, I’ve got a haiku all ready to go…

    MCW surely isn’t great, but he’s worth 20 mil less than Reddick?

    Oh god yes. Langston Galloway is worth 20 million more than MCW and Galloway makes $7 million a year. MCW should not be playing professional basketball at all. By the way, whoever Galloway’s agent is, well done, sir! Galloway was essentially cut from the Kings and he got a three-year deal?!

    If Washington is truly balking at giving Porter a max deal we should step in and offer one. Maybe see if Washington wants Melo in a sign and trade. I’d even sweeten it with a lottery protected 1st.

    As for PG it’s Hill or Collison or nothing. All I want is a team with no horrible egos. No Rose, no Rondo.

    I like a lot of Rondo’s game, but a rebuilding team is, like, the worst place for him in the world. I’d be fine with Collison.

    Theoretically, if KP and Willy improve and Melo isn’t dealt, Rondo makes more sense. If Melo is traded, then less so.

    Theoretically, if KP and Willy improve and Melo isn’t dealt, Rondo makes more sense. If Melo is traded, then less so.

    Yeah, I guess I could see that. I really do like a lot of Rondo’s game, even if he’s a piece of shit as a person. But yes, Rose doesn’t make any sort of sense at all. I am really curious to see what Mills does. Unless they hire a big name, he will be in charge. We shall see what kind of executive he is.

    They bizarrely seem to suggest that higher usage is better. That seems like an accidental graph mix-up.

    MCW should not be playing professional basketball

    Yeah, MCW is basically Mardy Collins who got lots of playing time as a rookie and is still sticking around the league because of it.

    Just as Anthony Bennet was the first #1 pick to not last through his rookie contract, MCW should have been the first former rookie-of-the-year to not not last through his rookie contract. But Charlotte ruined that, I guess (though he is taking a paycut to stay in the league).

    Apparently Steve Mills wants to build a team by trading Melo, signing cheap and young guys in free agency, and building around Porzingis. I would be very happy if that were the case. Even if the young guys suck, they’d be fun to watch and there’s room for potential growth. Nobody likes old guys who suck.

    The proof, though, is in the proverbial pudding. I want to see Mills actually do that stuff first.

    Problem with Hill is that he is too good. You’re essentially trading down like 5 slots in the draft by picking Hill over some washed up vet like Deron Williams.

    Per Begley:

    Many agents in touch with the Knicks continue to get the impression that the club wants younger players and won’t pay big money on the free-agent market.

    Halle-freakin-lujah. Not going for a win-now move or a splash signing would be very un-Knicksy and a sign that Mills has a decent head on his shoulders.

    You’re essentially trading down like 5 slots in the draft by picking Hill over some washed up vet like Deron Williams.

    I’d prefer a washed up vet with a rep as a pass first, solid d guy.

    Watching the summer league game, i had the thought, maybe we don’t need Plumlee if we have Labeyrie. Did anyone else have the same thought?

    I’m totally thrilled with the knicks approach so far in free agency. Reach out to some young players – Williams, Mclemore. Make noises about a mentor-like pg for Frank while making clear you won’t overpay for long contracts for older players, while setting out your intention to rebuild around KP and feature him in the offense. Mills with a deal-maker working under him might not even be the worse outcome here

    Of course we can still panic and mess it up with a three year deal for Rondo. But I’m really, really encouraged so far!

    Silky, i’m just not sure we will have enough roster spots. We have mor pressing needs than big men.

    @Dolan — Just play all the Baby Knicks without Melo. The fans will like it.

    Millsap to Denver presumably means no George Hill there. Indiana still has room though. It also means the Celts can’t pivot to him if Hayward spurns them.

    3yr/90m oh boy that’s a bad contract

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