Everything Will Be All Right…Right? – The 2017 NBA Draft Thread

No matter what, tonight will be an interesting night.

Who will the Knicks pick with the #8 pick?

Will they trade for a second (or even a third!) first round pick?

Will they trade up in the draft to get another second rounder?

Will they trade their current two second rounders for one second rounder higher in the second round?

Will they, you know, trade that one guy?

We will likely find out the answers to all of these questions….TONIGHT!

Let’s go, Knicks!

627 replies on “Everything Will Be All Right…Right? – The 2017 NBA Draft Thread”

the Knicks don’t deserve anyone to want to be here.

Including their die-hard fans

Would Jackson take Tatum if he obtains the #3 pick? Is that the target?

Draft picks? What are draft picks and where do they come from?

A new era has become in our quest for greatness.

Godspeed.

I will be live tweeting the JD and the Straight Shot concert this evening.

I will be live tweeting the JD and the Straight Shot concert this evening.

Hahaha.

He’ll be playing the blues classic “Fix The Knicks” I’m sure.

please Jesus can we please just take someone whose Dad is not an asshole?

This is probably the most anxious I have been for a draft ever. It is messing with my productivity at work. Then again it is Friday here, so the CBF’s are at their usual Friday level.

ptmilo
June 22, 2017 at 7:17 pm
If you’re not drinking yet you need to rethink your life choices

an hour or so til quitting time…i’ll be there soon…

If we trade both KP and Melo will they just give us the first 10 picks to make it easy?

1. Ball
2. Isaac
3. Fultz
4. Z. Collins
5. Smith
6. Fox
7. Josh Jackson
8. Anunoby
9. Mitchell
10. Tatum
11. Hart
12. Tony Bradley
13. Leaf
14. Ntilikina
15. Monk
16. Kennard
17. Ike Anigbou
18. Markkanen
19. J. Collins
20. Justin Jackson

Honorable Mentions: Jawun Evans, Caleb Swanigan, Kennedy Meeks, Sindarius Thornwell, Monte Morris, Nigel Williams-Goss, Dillon Brooks

My big board (not mock draft) is something like this.

I may be the only guy here, but I actually like that guy’s dad.

if you’re talking about lavar – i hate to admit it; but, i’m there with ya…

Yes Brian, Frank is like medicine. You take it because you need it even if it doesn’t taste good.

This is an amazingly boring little exchange here. “I get the name, then I write the name down. Then I bring the card out with the name of the person on it.” Slow down, Adam, this is TOO INTENSE!

Please don’t post any picks on here until it’s been announced on TV. Is that fair?

David Aldridge reporting on Twitter that the Suns have no trades on deck and are planning to use the no. 4 pick. Hopefully that’s an indication we can can’t them out of a KP deal.

If we choose DSJ the crowd will go wild. He would be the fan’s favorite for sure.

i gotta say that picking in the #8 spot is almost as bad as picking #15… not just this year but most years…

I can’t help but like Fox. Despite his shooting woes, dude is a likeable guy.

I can’t help but like Fox. Despite his shooting woes, dude is a likeable guy.

Definitely. Although stuff like, “He befriended a kid with cerebral palsy!” sounds so creepy, doesn’t it? “Let’s list every nice thing he’s ever done!”

It must suck to be a Sixers fan and know who you’re drafting already. What fun is that?

Wow – Stein just tweeted that Minnesota is close to landing Jimmy Butler.

“The Sixers announce that they will be tanking again next season.”

He’s an avid BMX biker?!? Why didn’t this information come up earlier?!

So Butler apparently was saying he didn’t want to get traded to the Cavs but he’s OK with being traded to the Wolves?? Granted its not his choice but still pretty interesting, I’m sure Wade wouldn’t exactly be thrilled to stay in Chicago next season w/o Butler.

This must be such a weird time for the ESPN guys who are done with the network after the draft.

That Wolves trade offer is pretty darn week. If Dunn is traded, do they still get rid of Rubio?

Chicago is collecting assets to make a trade with us for Melo. Rubio will be on the block.

Lavine Dunn and the 7 (we talked about this exact deal)

I know, funny, right? The exact deal!

Really does just seem like a, “Eh, we’ll just take the best offer out there to get rid of the guy.” Strange. Butler is really good.

What a ripoff. SMH Chicago. Ya’ll got fleeced. I am happy Phil is our GM now.

Begley and Shelbourne reporting Knicks trying to trade Noah along with KP. If trading KP is in part to get rid of Noah’s contract Phil should be fired on the spot. He is trying to get rid of his own mistake by attaching KP, you have got to be fucking kidding me.

Hmmm…who does Chicago want at #7? They wouldn’t want Frank, would they?

Zach lavine kris Dunn and #7 for jimmy butler? What an awful deal for Chicago.

Lavine Dunn and the 7 (we talked about this exact deal)

I expected Minn to be a lot better this year than they were. Now I’m expecting them to be a lot better.

we are trying to clear cap space for who exactly? who’s coming here after all this?

They wouldn’t want Frank, would they?

Oh shit. I hope not. They trade for a shit ton of guards.

Chicago actuallt straightened kut their backcourt. I think the trade could be good for them too. And now Rubio is probably off the market.

Omg Chicago also sent number 16 to Minnesota? That’s one of the worst deals I’ve ever seen.

And the Ball family get their wish. Now we get into the interesting part of the draft.

The wolves seemed pretty high on Dunn, so seems strange they wouldn’t send Rubio.

I love how ESPN cuts away as Lonzo hugs his dad, who is either a great father who loves his kids or the worst stage dad in the NBA. How the fuck do you cut away when you want everyone to speculate wildly about Lavar’s character!?

You mean to tell me Boston couldn’t get Butler with the #3, Crowder and Brown? Thibodeau must really hate Danny Ainge.

Omg Chicago also sent number 16 to Minnesota? That’s one of the worst deals I’ve ever seen.

Hopefully that’s still unconfirmed, because that would be insane.

The son of the loud-mouthed dad looks so much like Jason Kidd in his clips,, it’s ridiculous. (What do people see about Fultz to make him go #1 over him?)

I really cannot even possibly wrap my head around the Butler trade. By the way, did Butler like Thibs? I forget.

Oh god. Please tell me when LaVar stops talking. I changed the channel.

I dont get the Butler deal, he is a great player and only 27 and you trade it for the 7th pick this year?? He is under contract for a couple of years more!

Minnesota shapes to take a big step next year, if KAT keeps improving. Also, I guess that it takes Rubio off the market, 🙁

Of course, you know the Bulls are gonna take Smith, Jr. with the 7th pick.

Because, Knicks.

If thibs could find someone who overrates Wiggins they can make magic over there

don’t think it’s that bad altho not keeping 16 is just totally unnecessary… i mean boston probably had a better offer on the table…

Hey,
I’m from Germany and a Knicks Fan for several years now.
I’m following this site for about 2 1/2 years now and I’m so grateful that you are posting here everyday. You are the only real Knicks Fans I know and therefore you present the mood of all Knicks Fans for me. 😉
And that’s really, really interesting and funny.

I’m so exited for this Draft because of all your texts here in the last weeks.

I would prefer Monk at #8. I just think that that is the safer pick compared to Frank. It’s very difficult to adjust to America and the NBA if you are from Europe.

don’t think it’s that bad altho not keeping 16 is just totally unnecessary… i mean boston probably had a better offer on the table…

Without the #16 pick, it’s a mediocre trade, but yes, not insane. With them also tossing in the #16? What the fuck?

Hey guys,

I’m excited to join knickerblogger today on draft night.
I’m Jarney’s brother by the way, posting also from Germany (but from a different city)…

I would prefer Monk at #8. I just think that that is the safer pick compared to Frank. It’s very difficult to adjust to America and the NBA if you are from Europe.

Believe in the Frenchman!

At least now we can forget about the Rubio for Lee trade, right?

Probably, yeah, but maybe they trade Wiggins? I dunno. Or maybe they just want to dump Rubio for another player (Derrick Rose sign and trade is out, though, with Butler there)’s cap space?

This is a great development for us. Tatum leaving pushes down better players down the board for us.

YES TAKE THE OVERRATED VOLUME SCORERS OFF THE BOARD, YESSSSSSSSS

Tatum is so meh. I can’t believe the Celtics passed up on Fultz, Ball, Isaac, Fox, etc. for him.

Tatum is better than I thought when I heard him described, but there are a lot of better prospects still available.

Knicks should draft Aaron Judge, he averaged 18 and 13 his senior year of high school.

Maybe Celtics made the Taytum pick for us?

He was, reportedly, #1 on Phil’s big board.

He was, reportedly, #1 on Phil’s big board.

Bwahahahahahaha! I don’t believe that.

Fuck Josh Jackson. Dude can go threaten to beat women elsewhere.

Fuck Josh Jackson. Dude can go threaten to beat women elsewhere.

I heard about that. Do not want that on the Knicks.

Damn, Jackson could’ve been #1. Phoenix will be great now. Ainge is an idiot.

I think the Tatum hate has gotta chill. Let him play before we call him overrated

Too bad the Lakers didn’t pass on Ball, it would have been epic to watch Lavar’s reaction

If there is a team that would surprise us its the Kings. This pick could be super-interesting.

Too bad the Lakers didn’t pass on Ball, it would have been epic to watch Lavar’s reaction

Lol, I was rooting for that

If there is a team that would surprise us its the Kings. This pick could be super-interesting.

There’s no way it’s not Fox. Orlando and Chicago, though, I have no idea.

People here are going to be so excited when Isaac is on the board at #8…

…and so disappointed when Phil takes Monk.

#dolan’srazor

People here are going to be so excited when Isaac is on the board at #8…

Hammond loves guys like Isaac, so he probably does go to Orlando. Chicago, though, is very interesting. Monk, Frank and DSJ all there. I think Monk might be the Knicks pick.

Fox being recruited not produced, was thinking the exact same thing.

Ntilikina and Isaac are the two guys left that I especially want. The rest can kick rocks.

Seriously, though, the Knicks will be able to pick one of DSJ, Monk and Frank, and all of them are fine picks. I’d be okay with any one of them.

Bulls just got LaVine, I don’t think they will take Monk

Good call. Shit, Frank makes a lot of sense there. But maybe they take a big man?

Heild & Fox is a pretty interesting back court. The Kings are quietly heading towards putting a decent team on the court.

Supposedly the Boston and Indiana were close on a George deal, but didn’t happen.

Maybe that’s why Ainge wasn’t aggressive going after Butler? If so, that’s gross negligence.

Guten Abend Wes10 and Jarney 🙂

great to know knicks anxiety is shared throughout the world…

Good call. Shit, Frank makes a lot of sense there.

Does he? They have Levine and Dunn.

not sure if i can spoil it but we’re now up on twitter but not on espn…

I bet Chicago takes Markkanen to cap off a truly awful draft night for them

Does he? They have Levine and Dunn.

Frank can play all over the court.

Bulls going Lauri! Awesome! Okay, Frank, DSJ or Monk. Shit…I want Frank, but we shall see!

The good news: Bulls taking Markannen.

The bad news: we’re still taking Frank

(according to Woj)

Frank can play all over the court.

DSJ makes more sense as an offensive minded PG. He’s very Rose-like too.

The Bulls literally got two cents on the dollar

If Butler plays 2500 minutes next year and they don’t run a total scrub to make up the difference in the backcourt, the Wolves could see 10-15 extra wins. Maybe more.

The Towns/Butler combo is a very good one. And they can still get another good piece at #16! Friggin Bulls smh.

Fine with Frank, would’ve preferred DSJ

Let’s hope for another first rounder!

The bad news: we’re still taking Frank

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m pumped about Frank. I think he’ll be a very good player, and he’s adaptable enough that he’ll be able to play a new system when Phil leaves in two years.

The Knicks should be picking now….a couple of meaningless wins and losing the coin flip. So Knicksy

Seriously, though, the Knicks will be able to pick one of DSJ, Monk and Frank, and all of them are fine picks. I’d be okay with any one of them.

Heeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrreeeeee’s Markkanen!

In a normal draft, Frank would have gone top six easy, I think. This deep draft helped the Knicks out there. Plus, of course, the Bulls being dumb.

Most likely 5 out of the top 10 picks will be busts.

Let’s hope one of them isn’t Frank.

In a normal draft, Frank would have gone top five easy, I think. This draft helped the Knicks out there. Plus, of course, the Bulls being dumb.

BOOM.

Supposedly the Boston and Indiana were close on a George deal

It’s incredible that anyone still believes Danny’s bullshit.

Pretty meh on Frank-I can’t pretend to know how good of a prospect he is.

I don’t know enough about Frank to hate the pic but my thing is the most likely reason he is being drafted is cause he is a better fit for the triangle than Smith which is a stupid reason. Smith’s statistical profile is excellent, Frank’s is not (granted in limited minutes in Europe). KP had limited minutes in Europe but his statistical profile was very good.

“Any obscure Europeans Phil might pick the instead?”

Don’t give him any stupid ideas

Anyone know who the Warriors and Spurs are planning on picking later on? Trying to predict the 2021 All-NBA teams and I need some names.

I think Frank clearly had a chance of being a bust, but he also has really high upside. It’s a risky pick, but one I think they should have made. Players with Frank’s abilities tend to go high because teams love upside. And I love upside, as well. I’ll take that risk.

From everything I’ve read it was between Frank and Monk, Smith doesn’t seem to have been strongly considered.

We don’t need poor defending chuckers. Ntilikina is a solid piece who will play both ends of the court.

If Gaines signed off on Frank, I trust the pick.

DSJ if he’s there

Jimmy Butler – I want to remain a Bull
Bulls – we’re trading you to Minnesota, good luck. That is cold

I don’t think Frank is one of those “trust Gaines” type guys, though. I think many teams would want a guy like Frank. It’s just that this was a deep draft and the Bulls have too many guards (and they’re stupid). That worked out for the Knicks (it also worked out for the Kings and Magic, who got guys who would normally go higher, as well).

We need a lot, a really good offensive PG would be useful. But yeah, Frank might turn out. Having some sort of perimeter defense would nice

Markannen.
WHO WILL IT BE? WHO WILL IT BE? WHO WILL IT BE?

We don’t need poor defending chuckers. Ntilikina is a solid piece who will play both ends of the court.

Because some one is good on defense doesn’t mea they will be good on offense

You can get defenders easier that great offensive players

I don’t mind Frank and I will be rooting like crazy for him to do well. It’s just that he doesn’t profile much as a PG and Smith Jr does and it would be nice for once to have a young, dynamic PG. But I’ll gladly take Frank’s D and hopefully very good 3pt shooting cause we definitely need wings like that too.

As it stands, if we’re playing Ntilikina/Lee/?Melo/KP/HG, defense may not be such an issue next year!

By the way, while I don’t like Markannen here, I think he will shoot in the NBA, so he will likely be a rotation player. This is a good, deep draft.

well the coin flip didn’t really matter in the end…. horrible just horrible….

You can get defenders easier that great offensive players

Now Smith is already a great offensive player?

Let’s hope the Knicks can get another 1st rd pick or as been reported can use their 2nd rd picks to move up slightly to draft Josh Hart.

If it’s Ntilikina, Smith or Monk, I’m fine. Anyone else I shudder

Man, Woj knows every pick, like, 10 minutes ahead of the actual pick, that dude knows all.

Its amazing how these hacks just starting talking shit the moment our turn comes up.

Now Smith is already a great offensive player?

Frank is a good defensive player? They are 18-19 who knows

“What you like about him is that he is going to get better.” Huh? That is so silly.

Markannen is, I think, a better prospect than people give him credit for. He could be what people thought the mythical upside Barngnani was. Kid can really shoot, and he seems surprisingly mobile on offense. I would have been livid if the Knicks took him, but I’m interested in seeing how he turns out.

Its amazing how these hacks just starting talking shit the moment our turn comes up.

Well, to be fair we’ve sucked real bad for an epic amount of time

Markannen is, I think, a better prospect than people give him credit for. He could be what people thought the mythical upside Barngnani was. Kid can really shoot, and he seems surprisingly mobile on offense. I would have been livid if the Knicks took him, but I’m interested in seeing how he turns out.

Yeah, I didn’t want to be too harsh on him, as I think he might really be an NBA player.

Can he run the offense at PG or is the eternal search for decent point guard still on??

Fran Fraschilla looks like Nathan Lane fucked J. Edgar Hoover

These chauvinist hacks still disrespect European pros. Amazing. You could fill a fucking library with what they don’t know.

Lauris gonna be absolutely unplayable on defense and doesn’t do anything other than shoot

But he can definitely, definitely shoot

“What do you know about the New York Knicks?”

“Definitely a great organization…”

The kid has his white lie game down already

Kings trading #10 for Portland’s #15 and 20.

Any players involved?

Fran Fraschilla looks like Nathan Lane fucked J. Edgar Hoover

Funny thing is that its a possibility based on the rumors.

Dennis Smith put up numbers identical to the consensus #1 picks in a tougher league coming off an ACL tear. He may tear up his knee before he plays a game, he may be a no-defense chucker, but I don’t know how you pretend he’s not a good prospect.

Dennis Smith is a great prospect. He just doesn’t try on defense.

I feel pretty good about Ntilikina. I know he theoretically has both highest bust and highest all-star potential, but when your team is this bad, you have to take the risk. It worked with KP.

Doesn’t mean it will work here, but Ntilikina talkong about “will” makes mw believe he has the mental makeup to make it.

All you guys do is complain about how this team has no perimeter defense. We now have someone who projects to guard positions 1-3 with effectiveness and you complain that we didn’t a player who projects as Derrick Rose 2.0.

I feel pretty good about Ntilikina. I know he theoretically has both highest bust and highest all-star potential, but when your team is this bad, you have to take the risk. It worked with KP.

Yeah, agreed. At this point, go for the biggest upside.

mavs and blazers the biggest winners in this draft…. lauri and frank vs smith and collins… not close…

Would have preferred Dennis Smith Jr – has a chance to be a superstar I think. But Frank is in fact a better fit with the triangle – the system we won’t be running a couple years from now when Phil gets fired

Monk falls out of the top 10. Such a talented draft.

But Frank is in fact a better fit with the triangle – the system we won’t be running a couple years from now when Phil gets fired

Great deal of my frustration here.

Would have preferred Dennis Smith Jr – has a chance to be a superstar I think. But Frank is in fact a better fit with the triangle – the system we won’t be running a couple years from now when Phil gets fired

Frank seems like the type of guy who will adapt to a new system well in two years. That’s actually one of the things that I have liked about Frank for some time now.

I am happy about Frank coming to Manhattan no stupid posts here are going to bug me!

Frank has a higher floor than people here give him credit for. He can play 2-guard if the point doesn’t work out for him.

This draft is crazy. Monk not in top 10 – whatever you think, he won’t bust.

I am basically relieved, because I want two way players on they Knicks and Ntikilina seems to be that. I worry about him playing tomorrow on little sleep though. . .

Bobcats adding Dwight Howard and Malik Monk this week is a pretty nice haul.

Did you notice that we didn’t even wait the full 5 minutes to take Frank? We really wanted him. Our destiny.

Lol what if we were able to trade Lee to detroit or something and get Monk

Phil Jackson said Frank Ntilikina's potential on defense played a big role in the Knicks selecting him.— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) June 23, 2017

to frank’s credit… he is the youngest guy in this draft…. he’s going to need to get more aggressive with driving to the basket and start getting creative finishing at the rim… he’s going to need to get lower in his dribble for all of that… if his ftr is identical to the french league he will fail….

Mostly I’m happy we drafted a player who loves to D. I’m so freaking tired of seeing or guards get torched.

We now have someone who projects to guard positions 1-3 with effectiveness and you complain that we didn’t a player who projects as Derrick Rose 2.0.

No he doesn’t. He could, sure, but he doesn’t project to.

Also getting Derrick Rose with the 8th pick would have been very good.

A Ntilikina Mitchell backcourt would be hilariously long

if you don’t think frank will bust… just look at what exum is doing…

So, with that Bulls trade, can people concede that Phil isn’t the worst? What a gift to Minny. Pisses me off.

Also getting Derrick Rose with the 8th pick would have been very good.

People missing this for sure

Monk’s subdued expression says it all: he’s the biggest loser of the night so far.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not confident that Dennis Smith is a better player than Ntilikina. It’s just really hard to look at his euro numbers and conclude there’s a good chance he’s going to be a good NBA player.

if you don’t think frank will bust… just look at what exum is doing…

I like Ntilikina more now than I liked Exum then (I was never big on Exum), but yes, Exum is clearly the biggest red flag type guy for a pick like Frank.

if you don’t think frank will bust… just look at what exum is doing…

Sloppy comparison. They are different types of players.

The players after Monk at #11 are in a lower tier. From here on in there are many more question marks.

Luke Kennard at #12. No wonder the Pistons didn’t want to trade that pick for Lee.

Dennis Smith Jr. had arguably similar freshman season statistically, even slightly better than Derrick Rose (pre-injury DRose who was the #1 pick and MVP)

Exactly why I don’t want him. Pre-injury Rose was overrated as fuck and didn’t play defense.

the blazers are going to have a really interesting team next year and going forward with collins and lillard…. if they can flip mccollum for a more well rounded guard then they are on to something…

From Twitter:

Rick Carlisle leaves no doubt Mavs wanted Dennis Smith over Frank Ntilikina, saying there was “uproarious” applause when Knicks made pick.

Exactly why I don’t want him. Pre-injury Rose was overrated as fuck and didn’t play defense.

Pre-Injury Derick Rose was overrated but still a very good player.

Not MVP worthy, but still very good.

Our European Union team is coming together. KP two years ago, Willy last season, Frank this year, and Donkic next season.

Make it happen Phil and all shall be forgiven.

Mostly I’m happy we drafted a player who loves to D. I’m so freaking tired of seeing or guards get torched.

This. And maybe he’ll actually pass the ball to Porzingis instead of putting his head down and doing crazy up and under layups.

Rick Carlisle leaves no doubt Mavs wanted Dennis Smith over Frank Ntilikina, saying there was “uproarious” applause when Knicks made pick.

Bullshit. You’re telling me they went to Europe to scout Frank and hired his coach because they wanted Dennis Smith Jr?

Rick Carlisle leaves no doubt Mavs wanted Dennis Smith over Frank Ntilikina, saying there was “uproarious” applause when Knicks made pick.

Lol

Phil told the media after drafting Frank that the Knicks are still looking for a PG thru a trade or Free Agency and are still interested in bringing Rose back. FML

Pre-injury Rose was overrated as fuck and didn’t play defense.

This is true, and he played on a great defense. 22/23 year old Rose was a legit all star caliber player, just not an MVP. With the 8th pick you gotta be realistic.

Utah trading with Denver and drafting Mitchell

Trey Lyles and the #28

Some Deadspin guy tweeted that if you could put Monk and Kidd-Gilchrist in the Brundlefly machine, you’d have a complete player.

Bullshit. You’re telling me they went to Europe to scout Frank and hired his coach because they wanted Dennis Smith Jr?

Lol whut? It’s a draft Smith could have been gone

Derrick Rose must have a video of Phil Jackson fucking a goat or something.

I am certainly not saying that the Mavericks are not just BSing, but at the same time, reports always were that they might want Smith over Frank, so it could be that they wanted Smith over Frank.

I’d love to get Doncic, but we need to hit the lotto or lose a fuckload of games to make that happen.

now let’s go get Josh Hart

er, don’t try to reason with him. He’s always right.

I’d love to get Doncic, but we need to hit the lotto or lose a fuckload of games to make that happen.

Don’t worry, our team is not getting any better next year.

The Mavs thing is BS. Billionaire owner gets on a plane to visit an 18 year old kid as misdirection? No way.

If the Knicks can get Josh Hart tonight (along with keeping KP) this will be a real good draft night for the Knicks.

oh really? how different are they?

For one, Exum didn’t have a jumper and still doesn’t have one. Frank is a legitimate shooter in a French pro league where the 3 point line is farther from the basket.

@325 I doubt that Hart gets passed San Antonio so I’m not sure if we can do it.

Mitchell’s reaction in his interview is great, nice to remember that these are kids who are realizing their life long dream. Good for him and all of the kids drafted tonight.

What the heck is Denver doing. They give up the 13th pick for Trey Lyles and the 24th pick?

The Mavs thing is BS. Billionaire owner gets on a plane to visit an 18 year old kid as misdirection? No way.

And has his GM enter into talks with the team in front of us to fake out Phil into drafting a player everyone knew he was going to pick anyway? Wow. That’s like 19th dimensional chess there.

Am I the only one who likes Frank Mason in the 2nd round?

and you’re basing frank’s jumper on a grand total of 50 3p attempts? oh and a career .620 ft%?

and twice as many 3p attempts as ft’s… hallmark of any great player…

Cuban might have used his visit with Frank in Venice as an excuse and a tax writeoff to go to Venice. I wouldn’t blame him.

Even better from Twitter:

Two guys just got kicked out of the James Dolan concert for yelling “You’re a terrible singer! How do you have a job singing for a band?”

I’m not that big of a Bam fan. Was this a bit of a reach?

How are they going to play Bam and Whiteside together? They’re a little light on shooters….

And Winslow has struggled…

Phil selecting Frank also makes me think he’s planning on keeping Rose and using Frank/Rose as off guard or coming off the bench… vs just drafting a PG :/

Acquiring Pat Beverley wouldn’t be bad. Good contract too.

and you’re basing frank’s jumper on a grand total of 50 3p attempts? oh and a career .620 ft%?

If you’re going to say his 3 point shooting sample size is too small, it might behoove you not to mention is smaller FT sample. But one thing is certain. Exum’s game was based off quickness to the basket in a waaaay weaker league than the one Frank played in. Frank’s game in the French league was predicated on being an off the ball shooter – a job he did well.

But of course, they’re tall and foreign guards so they have to be the same, right?

Sacramento gets Fox and Jackson. They’re doing well.

I think Smith will be more like Baron Davis than Derrick Rose. And the Baron was amazing

From what I have read, there isn’t really a good comp for Ntilikina. But if he defends, plays smart basketball and can shot threes, maybe that’s a bit like Prigioni?

Frank hasn’t gotten to the line much. But it could just be the system that they play there. Very low turnovers. And his aggression on defense is intense and consistent.

Justin Patton – wow. I like him, but that’s pretty early for him.

I am certainly not saying that the Mavericks are not just BSing

Yeah, either they are BSing, or the two don’t follow Woj on twitter.

Man are the Bulls idiots. Will they take Melo? We do have a trade connection there. But he probably wouldn’t go there now without Butler.

I loved Prigioni, but the 8th pick in the draft needs to become a better NBA player than Prigioni especially when you had a couple of potentially dynamic guards in Smith and Monk available.

DJ Wilson to Milwaukee

That team is so long

So far, Phil has done what I wanted him to do. He didn’t get cute and make some bad Porzingis trade, he drafted a reasonable player at #8, and generally didn’t do anything damaging or embarrassing.

it’s a good thing we drafted him to be an off-ball shooter at #8….

But it is a bad thing you can’t read carefully.

Pablo Prigioni with a 7′ wingspan probably would have been a pretty nice player.

Pablo Prigioni with a 7? wingspan probably would have been a pretty nice player.

Plus a jumper.

Phil selecting Frank also makes me think he’s planning on keeping Rose and using Frank/Rose as off guard or coming off the bench… vs just drafting a PG :/

I know we all dislike Rose, but having him with KP & no Melo isn’t the worst idea- especially if he’s not required to run the offense. Say Lee & Melo get traded, and Rose is re-signed while Ntilikina wins the starting PG spot. KP gets more touches while Rose does what he’s best at without having another volume scorer like Melo in the way. Also having a Lance Thomas starting at SF with KOQ up front promotes more defense, spacing, and ball movement.

Or..
Lee doesn’t get traded, but Melo still does. Rose would still have room to be a ball dominant guard who makes enough plays within the newfound spacing to keep defenses honest. In theory, it’s not all bad.
But still- I hope Rose signs elsewhere. I appreciate his ability, but not the way he applies it. He needs to be a 6th man on a playoff team lacking bench scoring. That’s his ceiling now.

But remember this is Prigioni at 19, not the Prigioni in his thirties that we had on our team.

Indy taking Leaf

Great fit with Turner imo

Prigs was a career 38% 3pt shooter and 87% from the FT line. We could only hope Frank can shoot as good as Prigs did.

So far, Phil has done what I wanted him to do. He didn’t get cute and make some bad Porzingis trade, he drafted a reasonable player at #8, and generally didn’t do anything damaging or embarrassing.

Yay, our GM didn’t do anything stupid. Strike up the band!

If everything works out with Frank maybe you use him as a 2-guard in what is essentially a double PG backcourt someday. I think the double PG backcourt might be the wave of the future, and we saw it work really well here with Kidd and Felton.

Yay, our GM didn’t do anything stupid. Strike up the band!

I think Phil is terrible, so I’m all for him sticking to low-degree-of-difficulty moves until his contract runs out. So this is a win as far as I’m concerned.

Fun blog this past week. Thus far it seems to be unfolding as “safely” as possible for the Knicks.

Prime Prigioni was one of the best PG in the world and would be an amazing pick at 8th.

The Prigioni that we know is just an old veteran fulfilling the dream of playing in the NBA.

Prigs was a career 38% 3pt shooter and 87% from the FT line. We could only hope Frank can shoot as good as Prigs did.

Averaging two 3PA and 0.3 FTA a game. LOL

I think Phil is terrible, so I’m all for him sticking to low-degree-of-difficulty moves until his contract runs out. So this is a win as far as I’m concerned.

I hear you.

If he could get rid of Melo for anything this offseason I might even call him not the worst GM in the NBA.

I’d still try to take one of Portland’s salaries like Harkless if they still want to trade #26.

You going to come at Don Pablocito you better be bringing something more than per game stats

Maybe we can sneak Archie Goodwin away from the Nets for a big? He’s an afterthought there but actually really good.

DJ Wilson’s hair in his mug shot on ESPN makes him look like a character out of the House Party movies.

If everything works out with Frank maybe you use him as a 2-guard in what is essentially a double PG backcourt someday. I think the double PG backcourt might be the wave of the future, and we saw it work really well here with Kidd and Felton.

This. What people underestimate is that Frank’s defensive versatility allows him to play either backcourt position.

In 568 career games playing in Europe Prigs was a 36% 3pt shooter (1825 attempts) and 84% from the FT line (819 attempts). Is that enough of a sample size for you??

Funny thing developing tonight. Melo and wade may both be bought out. #bananaboat

If he could get rid of Melo for anything this offseason I might even call him not the worst GM in the NBA.

Bulls GM giving Phil a run for his money on that front after today.

@ d-mar, 100% agree. Carmelo is cancerous, on the Knicks, at this point.

I dunno if Frank will pan out or not, but I’m somewhat satisfied that we took the “high IQ, good defensive potential” guy over the “pointzz” guys.

fucking Melo isn’t going anywhere. Our only prayer is he opts out after this year to ride his banana boat

This. What people underestimate is that Frank’s defensive versatility allows him to play either backcourt position.

He’s 6’5. There’s nothing to underestimate

We said the same thing about shump because they are both 6’5

Honestly, Chicago’s GM isn’t looking so good to me right now. They messed up their back court by having Wade, Rondo and Butler at the same time and now traded the best of the three by far to fix it.

I really think Ntilikina was BPA- Dennis Smith Jr is exactly who we as Knicks fans shouldn’t want, and Monk is a great shooter but is as one-dimensional as this hyphen -.

I trust Gaines, I trust Euro players, and I trust in low-volume/high-efficiency players who play good D.

This guy should be a Knickerblogger dream.

plus he fits so well with KP.

What’s the likely hood of the TWolves moving Rubio now?

Doesn’t seem likely. He’s their only point guard right now, right?

I hope Frank turns out to be a great defender and he certainly has the size and length to hopefully do so but playing defense against French League guards isn’t exactly equivalent to defending NBA caliber guards.

wolves have a decent lineup… rubio/butler/wiggins/dieng/towns…. that’s probably the 7/8 seed… towns has to improve on defense tho and wiggins gotta stop taking so many shots…

Let’s just give Melo the Marbury treatment.

Give him a nice front row seat until he ask to leave. Enough is enough.

It’s not like our locker room could be any worse.

fucking Melo isn’t going anywhere. Our only prayer is he opts out after this year to ride his banana boat

@ DRed, I just imagined a dude kicking over a chair while typing that statement. Lol, thanks

I hope Frank turns out to be a great defender and he certainly has the size and length to hopefully do so but playing defense against French League guards isn’t exactly equivalent to defending NBA caliber guards.

Well, Fraschilla said those French league teams would destroy US college teams, so there’s that.

Let’s just give Melo the Marbury treatment.

Give him a nice front row seat until he ask to leave. Enough is enough.

Not a good idea

I’m sure they would, those are grown ass men playing in the French League vs kids in college.

How’d you like to be a Nets fan tonight? You had the worst record in the NBA and you haven’t even drafted yet.

Crap, that means the Knicks will be looking for a Vet to “nurture” Frank…
flippin DRose…

I’m sure they would, those are grown ass men playing in the French League vs kids in college.

Ding ding ding….we have a winner

Really like what the Kings have done tonight. Two safe picks with Fox and a nice flyer at 20 with Giles. vlade is upping his game.

Re Rubio- I saw somewhere that Thibs is still looking to move Rubio in order to chase a PG in free agency. I’d still love to get Rubio and would definitely trade Courtney Lee…

I’m sure they would, those are grown ass men playing in the French League vs kids in college.

So now think about how difficult it was for Frank to play in that league as an 18 year old and function as a key cog in its championship team.

Re Rubio- I saw somewhere that Thibs is still looking to move Rubio in order to chase a PG in free agency. I’d still love to get Rubio and would definitely trade Courtney Lee…

We should offer whatever we can offer short of KP, Willy, Frank and next’s year’s lottery pick to get that deal done.

Minny still needs rim protection and rebounding. O’Quinn for Rubio or is that being too optimistic?

Thibs, don’t you still love Noah? Noah for Rubio? For old times sake?

Frank is 9th on his team in mins/g, ppg, reb/g and 6th in ast/g. Calling him a key cog is a bit of a stretch. He certainly has potential and I hope he pans out but it’s hilarious to me that he is apparently a surefire bet to become a great 3 and D guy in the NBA but a guy like Smith Jr (with an excellent statistical profile from college) is not worth drafting cause he is apparently Derrick Rose 2.0.

I’d take Evan Turner and their #26 for his tweets and Josh Hart.

Just got in. Where’s the drama? No KP trade, Knicks take Frank.

WTF did Chicago do tonight. Are they tanking already?

Will the Knicks buy a late 1st rounder by taking on a contract?

I mean, I can sort of see rolling the dice on Giles, but Ferguson was dogshit in Australia.

Al, Smith doesn’t try on defense. Haven’t we had enough of that?

Nets take Jarrett Allen. They’re going to be young but bad again. Curse you, Danny!

Now that Butler is in Minny, they should go all in on getting the band back together.

Sign D-Rose and trade for Noah! C’mon Thibs!

i think it’s kind of crazy anunoby hasn’t been picked yet… just a lot of mediocre names picked after collins….

Kind of seems like taking on a bad contract like Evan Turner’s is not really worth a late first-rounder considering who’s still out there.

@bigblueal
The issue is that Smith just plain didn’t give a shit on defense. Watched his man make layup after layup. Absolutely not for us.

Also, injury-prone and once his athleticism comes down a drop, so is 90% of what he brings to the table

let’s just say… all the criticisms smith had… fultz basically did the same thing… only smith had some reporter with an axe to grind in nc hounding him and the team….

Frank is 9th on his team in mins/g, ppg, reb/g and 6th in ast/g. Calling him a key cog is a bit of a stretch.

He’s averaging 20+ mpg in 12 playoff games for Strasbourg. You really don’t think he’s important for them? They are actually giving him more time in the postseason than their regular season.

let’s just say… all the criticisms smith had… fultz basically did the same thing… only smith had some reporter with an axe to grind in nc hounding him and the team….

Don’t worry, no one here is defending Fultz’s defense so your defense doesn’t apply here either.

well i’m not some crazy guy who would pick ntilikina over fultz either …

I guess the caveat is that the teams know a lot more than we do about Anunoby’s health

Have you watched the footage? Fultz appears to try but is handling the entire offense of that crap team, Smith is sitting it out. He’s exactly like Rose in that he gives up just as much as he fills up in the stat sheet.

There’s a lot more talent in this draft. Hart, White, Bell, Bolden, Mason, Morris, Jackson, Swanigan, Oliver, Bolden, Sumners, Pasceniks plus many others.

well he’s not gonna be able to start the season on time… so i think that caused him to fall more than anything….

well i’m not some crazy guy who would pick ntilikina over fultz either …

But you are the crazy guy who presented a scenario no one proposed to make another irrelevant point.

Frank’s stats in the playoffs are dog shit tho

Let’s keep moving the goalposts by scouting a box score on team where the leading Finals scorer on the team doesn’t make 20 points a game.

I’m so hyped for Frank, finally a two-way player with high potential… and everyone who predicted the Knicks to win 55 games with Rose and knows nothing about basketball hated the pick, so it’s pretty obvious it was a great pick.

i watched a decent amount of college games this year… i always do when the knicks are in for a high pick… and fultz was just as lazy… and basically just quit in feb…. nobody mentions it because he was consensus #1 going in and shutting it down was a smart move given the season they had….

and it’s not like i like laziness either… but there were games that smith was dominant even on both ends… just watch the duke game… ntilikina would never ever ever be able to do that… after a certain point you can excuse the faults…

is anyone taking jason smith over whiteside because whiteside is a little weird? i hope not…

I wouldn’t be too concerned about PG defense.

In a pick and roll league, there are no PGs playing lock down defense anymore and you can count on one hand the good ones.

It’s much more of a team concept these days.

Big men defense OTOH is a completely different story.

The issue is that Smith just plain didn’t give a shit on defense. Watched his man make layup after layup. Absolutely not for us.

Also, injury-prone and once his athleticism comes down a drop, so is 90% of what he brings to the table

One a lot of his issues where technique issues of pressuring his man too high up the court. When he plays straight up he is a good defender that can play through ball screens. Also, the guy avg over 2 stls per 40.

Finally while he is athletic he is also a crafty player that plays with pace and smarts. He doesn’t just use his blow by speed and he doesn’t always go for the super Dunk. Plus his athleticism(explosion) is rare. It’s in the Vince Carter/Lebron mold where their 90% is still higher than other peoples 110%. Dude was measured with a 48 inch vertical.

It would be different if he didn’t pass, rebound, or get steals but he does other things to the table.

Portland gets Swanigan at 26 wow

It’s much more of a team concept these days.

Frank can do that too. He’s a very good help defender, especially with his length.

I looked all over Gran Canaria for Pasecniks when I was there but I could never find him. All I saw were giant murals of Pao Gasol.

Sixers gave a future first pick to the Magic for the Latvian guy. First I have heard his name.

Let’s keep moving the goalposts by scouting a box score on team where the leading Finals scorer on the team doesn’t make 20 points a game.

Nah dog.you said he’s a key cog to a playoff team who plays 20 mins a game. I just said his numbers are trash. I never said shit about 20 ppg. He’s shooting sub 30 from 3 and sub 40 overall and sub 60 from the line.

I’m so hyped for Frank, finally a two-way player with high potential… and everyone who predicted the Knicks to win 55 games with Rose and knows nothing about basketball hated the pick, so it’s pretty obvious it was a great pick.

He’s a better player than people are giving him credit for. He plays the team game and his game is subtle so North American basketball fans will naturally not appreciate him. But the kid has some physical upside and knows how to work in a winning system without having to dominate the ball.

There is a reason Smith’s statistical profile projected so well and that’s not cause of pointzzzz, its cause he got a decent amount of asts, rebs and stls. He projected well as an all-around player. Of course he has flaws, his previous knee injury and questionable defense are a couple of them. Defense is usually the biggest concern of all young guard prospects including in this draft with Fultz, Smith and especially Ball. But all 3 of them fill up the box score in a variety of categories not just pointzzzz.

I just said his numbers are trash. I never said shit about 20 ppg. He’s shooting sub 30 from 3 and sub 40 overall and sub 60 from the line.

In the playoffs or the regular season, dawg?

Ball is definitely the best defender out of Fultz Him and Smith

He’s shooting sub 30 from 3 and sub 40 overall and sub 60 from the line.

Here, dawg. This is an analytic review of Frank’s numbers. They will explain why your analysis is wrong and how he actually ranks as an above player in his league.

“While looking at this table, we see an above-average player in the league — and keep in mind that Ntilikina is by far the youngest player in this league. The next-youngest player to receive at least 200 minutes was Jonathan Jeanne, who is a full year older and played less than half the minutes Ntilikina did.”

ball is definitely not…. ppl don’t realize how laterally deficient he is and fox made that abundantly clear.. twice…

@466

that’s the point… I don’t even care if he busts, he’s the highest ceiling player being drafted by a team which has NO business even trying to compete next year.

he offers the biggest potential upside and projects to be at the very least a serviceable bench player… I would have liked Smith too, but drafting Frank is the right mentality this franchise needs to have for the near future.

I’m very hyped to see him growing together with KP and Willy… yes, I know I’m a Knicks fan and something terrible is always about to happen, but tonight I’m quite fine with the results.

Man, we have so little talent compared to some of these teams…

That said, I like Ntilikina. He can guard 1-3 quite easily, like Shump did, but coming in with a real 3-ball stroke. He’s a year younger than most of these guys and has played against grown men since age 15. He’s no lonzo, but he can pass.

At 6’5″ with a 7’3″ Latvian target, I’m hoping those guys practice 1000 lob passes a day.

What’s with you and this euro vs north American thing? Last I checked all the best players are American.

Reading Knicks fans say that PG defense isn’t important is like reading a Florida headline that says “man living in swamp bitten by alligator for the fourth time, complains of flies”

Getting a bit annoying with all these teams acquiring late 1st rd picks and none of them are the Knicks.

I really hate debating with philmelo. I simply put his playoff numbers up. I did no” analysis”

the espn analytics team is pretty trash… their models have underperformed basically everyones and the first clue is that they are using bpm with someone who has even played 600 minutes…

@471
It’s mainly because his help defense is quite good. He’s as bad on ball as the others

Typical Spurs draft pick at 29 that vastly outperform its position. I thought they were gonna grab Evans

Who was your favorite defending PG? Rose, Jennings, Grant, Larkin, Calderon, Udrih, Old-Kidd, Lin, old-Baron, Bibby, 21-game-Billups, Felton1/Felton2, TDDWTDD, Duhon? Francis?? Nate?! MARBURY???

I trust Kevin Pelton’s statistical models alot more.

Great cause Monte Morris might be there for us in round 2.

@481 – Mason isn’t a wing. Both are solid 2 way players with good leadership skills and worked hard to improve their games.

Frank Jackson would also be great at #44. Mason, Thornwell, Bolden, Ojeleye, Morris, Bell, Iwundu, Brooks, Sumner, Blossomgame, Dorsey, Oliver; Williams-Goss; Deinte Burton, Meeks. We’re getting 2 more good players.

We really had a lot of pretty good defensive pgs in the 90s. Harper, cheeks, childs, Greg Anthony, Doc Rivers but especially Charlie ward.

Phil just encapsulated the philosophy behind his preference for Euros.

“I’ve think we’ve downplayed what the quality of the game is out there (in Europe) a little bit. We’ve overlooked it in the NBA,” Jackson said. “And sometimes, it’s the ability for players to grow up into a system of play that they adapt to as they grow up as young players. And fitting into that style. I think a lot of times in our college ball, it’s about adapting to who the players are. And the games become more of a style of what can you do offensively and giving a lot of room to players just to play one-on-one or whatever ability they have. Whereas, a lot of European players are schooled into the system and how to fit into it.”

Josh Hart the new Jimmy Butler.

Also, Walker and Monk might be the poor man’s Lillard and McCollom

What’s with you and this euro vs north American thing? Last I checked all the best players are American.

Me? I don’t give a shit about where a guy is from so long as he can play team basketball. The problem is that fans like you routinely underrate non-NCAA players from abroad because they aren’t as flashy and don’t have an entire offense built around them by the time they’re 18 years old. So when I read a know-nothing like you tell me Frank’s numbers suck when in fact they’re above average in the older pro league he plays for, I get annoyed knowing you’re probably doing it comparison to the numbers you’ll find in an NCAA league whose teams would be toasted by the level of competition Frank will be competing against tomorrow.

basically some pg flyers left… evans, williams-goss, sumner, morris… dillon brooks and devin robinson are also really solid seconds at this point… i have a feeling it’s going to be some combo of kobi simmons, iwandu or deonte burton…

If we wanna make one of those dumb jokes about melding two picks into the perfect player we have to pray juwan evans falls to 44

I’ll go So basically Phil said he thinks Franks is a system fit which really could suck in two years when that system goes bye bye.

. So when I read a know-nothing like you tell me Frank’s numbers suck when in fact they’re above average in the older pro league he plays for, I get annoyed knowing you’re probably doing it comparison to the numbers you’ll find in an NCAA league whose teams would be toasted by the level of competition Frank will be competing against tomorrow

His league is probably sub-NCAA caliber. The French league is what, the 5th or 6th best league in Europe? They’re grown men, but they also don’t have high level athletes.

I’ll go So basically Phil said he thinks Franks is a system fit which really could suck in two years when that system goes bye bye.

Actually, the point is that Frank has experience fitting into whatever system they plug him into, which makes him a more versatile player than your usual NCAA star (remember Derrick Rose?) who plays their short college career in offensive systems that are specifically attuned to their particular style and strengths.

I like what Orlando are doing. I guess I will be watching a lot of Fox sports south

Philmelo you routinely show how much of a dolt you are, first off I love Willy and my favorite player in the NBA is the Greek freak. So miss me with that I hate non flashy playersshit.

Second what about Frank’s playoff numbers did I get wrong?

His league is probably sub-NCAA caliber. The French league is what, the 5th or 6th best league in Europe? They’re grown men, but they also don’t have high level athletes.

Fran Fraschilla, someone with college coaching experience who’s followed the Euroleagues, just went on TV and said the top French teams would annihilate the top NCAA college teams. For one thing, these are grown, professional men playing college kids. For another, their 3 point line is further away. For another, their offenses are more sophisticated.

Jordan Bell is out there. We could use his toughness and ability to be all over the floor. No way he lasts to 44.

Philmelo you routinely show how much of a dolt you are, first off I love Willy and my favorite player in the NBA is the Greek freak. So miss me with that I hate non flashy playersshit.

Of course, you love them now. LOL Yeah, I get that you like the best rookie last season and the league’s best player under 25. Congratulations on joining the rest of the league after the fact.

Second what about Frank’s playoff numbers did I get wrong?

Did you read the article?

mr philmelo… i don’t even think you understand what’s written in that article… don’t cite things you don’t understand…

Fran says the French league is the 7th best league in Europe, so maybe that’s good?

mr philmelo… i don’t even think you understand what’s written in that article… don’t cite things you don’t understand…

One things for certain. I don’t understand what you’re writing about. I quoted from the article. You?

Golden State acquires Jordan Bell from Chicago–the rich get richer

The Nets got screwed with Terrance Ferguson going one pick ahead of them.

It was so weird seeing teams actively trying to move late firsts and the Knicks not getting in there.

knicks should have gotten in there for hart… that was a missed opportunity….

Fuck, I liked Evans and Bell a lot. Bell might be better than the guy the bulls traded Butler for. Philly just being greedy

Jordan Bell has been compred to Draymond so it’s fitting.

Can’t believe UCLA center Ike is still out there. He’s got huge upside.

Wait the Warriors got Bell? For what? Chicago is heading towards dumbest team in the league status

A franchise like Chicago is the reason why the WC has been so superior to the EC for decades.

It was so weird seeing teams actively trying to move late firsts and the Knicks not getting in there.

Maybe Mills and co. were having a hard time waking up Phil. It’s been a long time since the start of the draft.

Thornwell, Morris, Edmunds, Hartenstein, Oliver, Robinsin, Dorsey, William Goss, Brooks, Blossomgame, Burton, Simmons, Dozier, Kaba, VezenkovMushidi, Lessort, DePaula all available.

All it took to grab Bell was a cool 3.5m…

Still. Absolutely unfair to have Bell on that team

Hartenstein might be too good to pass up, though Dotson is more of a need.

That triangle tree just keeps on giving. Paxon has learned from the worst.

A franchise like Chicago is the reason why the WC has been so superior to the EC for decades.

Wow, what a terrible night they’ve had.

Dotson is a pretty generic second rounder, not a ton of upside. Very “meh” pick but it’s the second round so these are all dartboard picks at this point.

Dotson had to leave oregon due to rape allegations lol PJ is running the innocence project over here

Dotson is 23 yo and had rape accusations while in college, at least Phil is changing the culture!! Kid can shoot though.

Of course, you love them now. LOL Yeah, I get that you like the best rookie last season and the league’s best player under 25. Congratulations on joining the rest of the league after the fact

This is why I keep telling myself not to respond to your stupid posts, and I will stick to that now

And you still have not been able to tell me what I got wrong about Frank’s playoff numbers

Dotson had to leave oregon due to rape allegations lol PJ is running the innocence project over here

In fairness, he was never charged.

and dillon brooks goes right after to the rockets… i hate this night…

If you’re gonna pick an older guy, make sure he has one surefire skill. In this case, Dotson can shoot, if not much else. Could be a decent roleplayer.

I would’ve preferred Murray cause he fills up the box score. Dotson can shoot and averaged 5 rebs/g but averaged barely an assist per game and less than a steal per game.

This is why I keep telling myself not to respond to your stupid posts, and I will stick to that now

We both know you won’t though.

Dotson had to leave oregon due to rape allegations lol PJ is running the innocence project over here

Was he the same guy the league told everyone to hold off on and to get the okay to draft before hand? Might have been someone else though.

Thornwell drafted by Clippers via Milwaukee

I’d like the Knicks to buy a couple of these picks the way that GS does. It’s one of the few ways that we can leverage the worth of the franchise into a better team.

Reading up on Dotson. A bit old, but a killer shooter, good rebounder, and sound defender. Not a creator or driver. Good 2nd round pick; this is all throwing darts…

Maybe Phil is realizing the value of 3 pt. shooting in the league?

I watched some of Dotson play in the combine games and thought that he was one of the best players out there.

Dotson apparently impressed in pre-draft workouts, etc. Seems to really want it. Surely he can take Sasha’s roster spot?

Dotson is 23 yo and had rape accusations while in college

Maybe Phil is really serious about replacing Rose

Something else that sucks is the Knicks only playing in the Orlando Summer League where the competition is much lower than the Vegas Summer League.

the reason dotson might look good is because he’s older than everyone out there…. jerian grant won summer league mvp because of that also…

Maybe it’s passed Mr Jackson’s bedtime… I’m sure Dolan has cash considerations

Dotson is a natural shooter. He’s quick and active. Long arms and smart. I watched him play at the combine and he was good. He never fell down either.

Dotson and Ntilikina make a lot of sense for our SL team. I thought pretty highly of Dotson but I didn’t think we would take him at 44. Either way he’s athletic and his statistical profile at Houston is unbelievable.

The Serb we picked is a 6’5 pg who’s apparently pretty athletic/fast and good defensively but is raw offensively

That’s all I can say about him at this present moment

Every draft pick Phil has made for the Knicks has been either a Euro or college senior. We have no use for talented underclassmen.

If this kid makes the roster, Clyde Frazier will be a hoot to listen to next season…

In fairness, he was never charged.

The DA said that there was no question that the incident occurred, but they wouldn’t be able to mount a case. Not guilty and innocent are totally different things.

His numbers look great. The Knicks went after another rapist.

UDFAs? Meeks, Burton, Oliver, Kobi? Any of the above?

i think we came away with the second worst night behind the bulls… holy crap were they a trainwreck…

this is gonna be a draft for the ages…. and it’s possible we won’t have a single player make it past their rookie deal….

frank is not definitely gonna bust… but it was a huge error to pass up smith and collins regardless of the outcome…. i hope for the best… but there just weren’t that good of an argument for him other than woahwingspan….

The reading on Ognjen isn’t great. Seems unlikely to make the roster. Just keep Ron.

the udfa crop is pretty weak…. devin robinson is absolutely worth a look tho….

Ntilikina passes to Jaramaz as Clyde announces his retirement.

i think we came away with the second worst night behind the bulls… holy crap were they a trainwreck…

The trade was terrible, but Jordan Bell is going to be another Ken Faried. Considering how awful they’re going to be next year, he should see some playing time.

Edit: OF COURSE he gets traded to the Warriors. Did I call it? I called it.

The DA said that there was no question that the incident occurred, but they wouldn’t be able to mount a case. Not guilty and innocent are totally different things.

Yeah, this guy sounds like a scumbag.

Ntilikina was an okay pick. I don’t really like Dotson at 44. Should have gone with Thornwell there. The Serbian guy will probably never play a minute in the NBA.

All 3 draft picks will play in Summer League which is cool but the problem is the Knicks now only play in the Orlando Summer League which is pretty much crap compared to the Vegas Summer League.

Told you. No move from Phil.
The butler trade though makes me wonder what Ainge is thinking, he’s burning all the assets, I think it’s a good trade for minnesota

I’m glad we grabbed Ntilikina. Dotson has a real chance to be a good role player, and the Serbian kid is a fun little Summer League player.

Summer League will let us know everything about Ntilikina. He doesn’t have to dominate, but he has to show he can handle against a full court press at least.

The Knicks are playing in the Orlando Summer League which only 8 NBA teams are attending. The Knicks, Magic, Heat, Hornets, Pacers, Mavs, Thunder and Pistons. None of the Top 5 picks will be playing in the Orlando Summer League and since some of those teams also play in Vegas which usually means they don’t play their draft picks all the games in Orlando.

Is there any reason we don’t do Vegas anymore? I can’t remember reading anything about it other than releases saying they will be at Orlando rather than Vegas.

We have our Baby Giannis. Our destiny is fulfilled.
Good night all.

The Kings seem to have done alright in the draft with De’Aaron Fox, Justin Jackson, Harry Giles & Frank Mason

Still furious the warriors bought Hart

Right? Ugh. And yeah, the Kings had one of their best drafts in years.

If the Warriors are offering to buy a second round guy off you, then they probably know something you don’t and you should hold on to said player.

C.R.E.A.M. though amirite?

Having taken so much heat these last 8 years, it feels pretty good when I say, “Jordan Bell will get drafted by some team like the Warriors or Spurs,” and then the Warriors go ahead and willfully make a move to acquire this exact player. He could have been a Knick, but why would Jackson do a thing like that?

How is it possible the warriors had a better draft night then us? God hope Frank proves me wrong

Marc Berman @NYPost_Berman

Sounds like Charlotte’s Malik Monk and Mavericks PG Dennis Smith Jr. will have Knicks game circled on calendar

Monk was clearly pissed….and Cal mentioned it.

The Kings now have the following players on rookie contracts:

PG De’Aaron Fox (20), Frank Mason (22)
SG Buddy Hield (23), Malachi Richardson (22)
SF Justin Jackson (22)
PF Skal Labissiere (21), Harry Giles (20)
C Willie Cauley-Stein (23), Georgios Papagiannis (21)

Its a nice youthful bunch. Actually, some of that is because they traded Boogie. Phil basically wanted to do the same thing by trading KP.

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