Knicks Morning News (2016.11.29)

  • [ESPN] Tuesday’s Knicks News: Anthony struggles in loss to Thunder
    (Tuesday, November 29, 2016 6:05:36 AM)

    Tuesday’s Knicks News: Anthony struggles in loss to Thunder

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ big men ‘manhandled’ and ‘outmuscled’ in loss to Thunder
    (Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:45:30 AM)

    Knicks’ big men ‘manhandled’ and ‘outmuscled’ in loss to Thunder

  • [ESPN] Monday’s Knicks News: Westbrook provides next test for Rose
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 6:08:19 AM)

    Monday’s Knicks News: Westbrook provides next test for Rose

  • [NYTimes] Thunder 112, Knicks 103: Despite Flash of Rose’s Prime, Knicks Are Dazed by Westbrook and Thunder
    (Tuesday, November 29, 2016 5:04:51 AM)

    Derrick Rose finished with 30 points, but his Oklahoma City counterpart, Russell Westbrook, had 27 in recording his eighth triple-double of the season.

  • [NYTimes] N.B.A. Schedule: Here’s What to Watch This Week
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 4:11:29 PM)

    In an exciting television doubleheader on Thursday night, the Rockets visit the Warriors after the Clippers visit the Cavaliers.

  • [NYTimes] Harry Flournoy Jr., Part of First All-Black Starting Five to Win N.C.A.A. Title, Dies at 72
    (Tuesday, November 29, 2016 4:06:42 AM)

    The 1965-66 Miners were the first team to win the national championship with five black starting players, defeating an all-white Kentucky team.

  • [NYPost] Knicks finally trust Joakim Noah and it totally backfires
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 7:52:41 PM)

    Joakim Noah was jacked to play against his college coach, Billy Donovan. The duo teamed up in glorious times, winning two NCAA titles together in Florida. Perhaps that is why Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek finally let Noah play in the fourth quarter of a tight game — and stuck with him to the bitter end….

  • [NYPost] What Russell Westbrook is doing now is absolutely remarkable
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 7:19:05 PM)

    So … we can spend some time, and some paragraphs, on all the troubling things the Knicks put on display Monday night at Madison Square Garden. We can start with Carmelo Anthony and his 4-for-19 rock pile of a night. We can talk about the two points and three rebounds the $72 million man, Joakim…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose could play his way to contract security with Knicks
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 7:05:13 PM)

    Through 17 games, point guard Derrick Rose has shown enough progress that a lucrative new contract could be in store for him with the Knicks this summer. However, Rose, who scored a season-high 30 points Monday in a 112-103 loss against Oklahoma City, can get some security now if Knicks president Phil Jackson is convinced…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo goes silent, Russell Westbrook goes nuts in masterpiece
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 5:10:28 PM)

    Hurricane Westbrook blew through the Garden and tore up the Knicks’ six-game home winning streak. And Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek tore into his big men for allowing Oklahoma City to secure 17 offensive rebounds, saying the group has to get “tougher.’’ Oklahoma City point guard Russell Westbrook kept up his rampage, nearly posting a triple-double…

  • [NYPost] MSG sues season-ticket holder over $97K unpaid bill
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 1:27:53 PM)

    Madison Square Garden is c?alling foul on the wife of a longtime Knicks fan?, saying she skipped out on her $97,865 bill for several ?prime ?season tickets — despite cashing in on “tens of thousands of dollars” ?by reselling the seats, a new lawsuit charges. MSG Sports and Entertainment, which manages ?T?he Garden, wants Terry…

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks Thunderstruck by Russell Westbrook’s triple-double, OKC’s bigs
    (Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:23:33 AM)

    Russell Westbrook has been a man on a mission all season, and he put on a show at Madison Square Garden on Monday night. But he also got help from some of his biggest friends.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose’s 30-point game overshadowed by Russell Westbrook
    (Tuesday, November 29, 2016 12:55:17 AM)

    Derrick Rose had the best game of his Knicks career Monday night. But he’ll always be remembered as the “other guy” in this one because of the point guard he was matched up against.

  • [NY Newsday] Thunder coach Billy Donovan believes in Joakim Noah
    (Tuesday, November 29, 2016 12:44:55 AM)

    Joakim Noah hasn’t had much of an on-court impact but his college coach believes that will change.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks mailbag: Tanking, Porzingis, Noah, early assessments and more
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 3:49:00 PM)

    Knicks beat reporter Al Iannazzone took questions from Twitter followers this week as the team prepares for a few inter-conference matchups. Here are 10 answers:

  • [NYDN] Russell Westbrook too much for Knicks in 112-103 loss to Thunder
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 8:35:23 PM)

    Russell Westbrook was everything you expected him to be.

  • [NYDN] Russell Westbrook’s loyalty to Thunder will only go so far
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 8:34:20 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis and Russell Westbrook have trained together during the off-season and respect each other’s games and work habits

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson could reportedly ‘wind up with Lakers’ this summer
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 3:32:46 PM)

    Phil Jackson is apparently a hot commodity – well, at least for one team.

  • [NYDN] MSG sues wife of Knicks superfan over $100G in season tix
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 3:26:41 PM)

    Terry Klein, married to longtime season ticket holder Fred Klein, bought 10 2015-2016 NBA full-season subscriptions.

  • [NYDN] Former Knick Bradley on ‘White Skin Privilege’ relevant as ever
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 9:18:34 AM)

    There was a Bill Bradley sighting at the Knicks game last week.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks can’t contain Westbrook in 112-103 loss to Thunder
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 10:11:21 PM)

    The New York Knicks had no answer for Oklahoma City’s Russell Westbrook, who had a triple-double of 27 points, 18 rebounds and 14 assists in a 110-101 loss to the Oklahoma City Thunder on Monday at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks face off with Thunder at MSG
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 5:05:07 PM)

    The Knicks will face off against Russell Westbrook and the Oklahoma City Thunder at Madison Square Garden Monday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks set for a heavy dose of the Western Conference
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 3:00:27 PM)

    When the Knicks face off against Russell Westbrook and the Thunder during Oklahoma City’s only regular season visit to Madison Square Garden, it will be the first of a handful games in which New York will face a team from the NBA’s Western Conference over the next month.

  • [SNY Knicks] Lance Thomas remains out against Thunder due to ankle injury
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 3:10:05 PM)

    Lance Thomas will remain out due to a sore left ankle when the Knicks play the Thunder on Monday night at Madison Square Garden, the team announced.

  • [SNY Knicks] Have Holiday and Kuzminskas displaced Lance Thomas?
    (Monday, November 28, 2016 8:40:01 AM)

    Justin Holiday and Mindaugas Kuzminskas have stepped up in the absence of the injured Lance Thomas, but how will head coach Jeff Hornacek adjust the players’ minutes when Thomas returns?

  • 124 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.11.29)”

    The Timberwolves should be a lot easier to beat than the Thunder, at least.

    Also, I love that there’s already rumors about Jackson going to Los Angeles. It’s not even December yet!!!

    It’s not a matter of not wanting to see him go so much as it is way too early for there already to be rumors about him opting out.

    Apparently Brian is Nostadamus for the new millennium:

    2016-17 Game Thread: Knicks @ Raptors

    By Brian Cronin – Published: 11/12/2016 – 199 Comments

    During the early to mid-1990s, the Knicks were a whole lot of fun to watch because they were such a good team that every night they had a really good chance of winning. The NBA is one of those leagues where the better team almost always wins (that’s why the gambling is about the point spread, not the who will win) and the Knicks were as good as anyone. That was a lot of fun – a consistent good team is awesome.

    These Knicks, however, are more like a mediocre team. Mediocre teams win their fair share of games, don’t get me wrong. A player gets hot, someone surprises, stuff like that. So they’ll look great one night and awful another night. It is not as fun to watch and I think building a mediocre team is a bad idea. However, on a pure case of “What does this mean for Brian’s chances of enjoying the basketball game tonight?”, mediocre teams are better than awful teams because mediocre teams will give you the occasional amazing game. Remember David Lee’s last second game-winning tip in? Jamal Crawford’s 52 point game? Mediocre teams can give you some great moments.

    In other words, don’t count the Knicks out tonight against a good Toronto team in Toronto. Toronto is also on the second half of a back-to-back (they played a tough game against Charlotte last night – they won). DeMar DeRozan is red hot, but I still like the Knicks’ chances tonight.

    Let’s go, Knicks!

    ^ I meant to continue bolding through “looks great one night and awful another” which pretty much sums things up.

    opinion. kp is not a great rebounder for his size, and only a very small portion of that is likely due to “effort,” defining effort as the portion of motor/grit/whatever that might actually vary due to conditioning, motivation or attempts a psychobabble within a single person in a short period. last year he averaged 9.3 rebounds per 36 and this year he’s at 7.6. of the 1.7 gap, we have at least two well known suspects: (a) losing Rolo (b) playing farther away from the rim.

    we have good evidence that Rolo mattered. KP’s rebound rate dropped from 14.2% playing with Rolo last year to 12.1% without him. That 12.1% is only barely higher than his 11.6% this year. these splits do not exist with noah, which makes some intuitive sense given the kind of player noah is (but note! the knicks are an above avg rebounding team with noah on the floor this year and below avg without).

    there is also evidence for the spacing factor, besides what’s available from just watching. KP is doing better than last year @ rebounds more than six feet out, and well worse in the 3-6 foot range. this doesn’t really leave all that much room for a lack of effort explanation, although i would admit KP’s motor does seem to run a little lite at times. But i also thought that last year.

    i think it’s silly to talk about how many rebounds we “need” from KP. the guy is going to be an incredibly valuable player even if his structural (i.e. with a neutral lineup) rebounding rate never improves. instead of focusing only on going small and using KP at the 5, or at any conventional position, we should be thinking about personnel and lineups that maximize the production of a team with an eight foot tall guy who can do all sorts of crazy things but has the underlying rebounding rate of a serge ibaka or a marc gasol.

    KP had a 14.0 TRB% last year, this year so far it’s down to 11.3… I think it’s still too early to get desperate about it, Nowitzki had the same issues in his rookie and sophomore years (14.3 and 15.6), and he became a pretty decent rebounder (considering how much he played outside of the paint, which should be a similar situation to KP).

    also, rebounding is very connected to context in a lot of ways… Kevin Love was pretty much the best rebounder in the league, but in Cleveland his numbers took a big hit, specially since he’s playing farther away from the basket and getting fewer offensive boards.

    the problem is that the Knicks are dead last in opponent offensive rebounds and defensive rebounds, which is not KP’s fault exclusively.

    In his post game interview Melo said “I have to keep taking those shots.”

    Why if they’re not going in?

    The next time that we play OKC I’d like to see Plumlee get some burn against Adams and Kanter. I think he can at least bang with them. They manhandled us last night.

    And yes, I miss Rolo too. He’s much better than Noah.

    This game was lost by Noah and Melo.
    Melo missed 15 of 19 shot and only had two assists. There was one stretch where for about 2 minutes he took and missed all the shots.
    Meanwhile, Noah played 25 minutes and aside from four blocks, basically didn’t do much at all. You can’t have your starting center getting only three boards. He was a spectator.

    By any measure KP and Rose were sublime. Sure, KP got only 5 boards, but he had 5 blocks. He shot well from the field and he hit 50% of this 3pters. Rose looked like he did when the Knicks played the Bulls. 50% from the field and he took and made 10 FTs.

    This isn’t rocket science. If two of your starters utterly suck, you’re going to lose.
    The Knicks defense, blocks and steals, made up for some shortcomings on the boards. They also enjoyed a vast disparity in FTs made.

    If both Melo and Noah simply hit their season averages, the Knicks win this game by 10.

    July 1, 2016 at 5:11 pm
    I believe that they’re holding off on announcing Noah’s numbers because he may be willing to donate some of it for a shooting guard. What a great Knick he is!

    Pepperidge farm remembers

    Melo scored 4 points less than his average. How does that make sense? Noah hasn’t really played in 2 weeks.

    If melo shot8-18 fg with 2-3 ft what difference would it have made? The problem was from the second quarter forward. Morrow was allowed to score 11 points and Kanter and Adams were able to dominate the paint. Rose and KP cancelled out Westbrook. Melo would have had to have a crazy good game to win not hit his avgs. Noah also had 4 assists and 4 blocks.

    Also KP only getting 5 rebounds is real bad in a game like that where Russ had 5 OReb

    October 29, 2016 at 11:47 pm
    So where are all of the people who were knocking the Noah signing for the past few months?

    Noah is not the “load” that RoLo is… we have 1 “load” player and his name is Kyle O’Quinn… Billy H. can be a “load” sometimes, and certainly could turn into one… Plumlee could very well be a “load” but TBD… Steven Adams continues to become more and more of a load and we have no one to handle him or guys like him… and when Kanter was getting hot on offense, he was oozing confidence and crashed the offensive (and defensive) glass… whether he identified it or simply took advantage of our glaring weakness, he too, became a “load” with offense.

    I’m stating that Noah has been terrible. True, he might have worked with Phil on contractual issues to help sign Lee but his game has been just terrible. Just stating the facts. He can have a role against certain bruisers around the league but he needs to get better at it. I’d like to see more of Plumlee though.

    As for Melo, why would a guy who just shot 4 for 19 (after shooting 7 for 25) say that he needs to keep taking those shots? It’s some form of narcissism or mental illness. Yes, he might have a good game every now and then and propel us to victory but it doesn’t make up for the games that he loses for us. Horny needs to bench him when he takes too many bad shots.

    Oh, and Rose has been terrific recently despite what DRed has said about him.

    My biggest issue with Melo… is how much time it takes him to score a highly unlikely point… When we go down 6 or 8 or 10 with 2 minutes to go, we can’t afford to always feed him for a high difficulty, low % shot that takes the entire shot clock… down 1, 2 or 3 or 4 even!, yea ok, fine… i’ll still be pissed, but go for it cause you’re “the man” … I have no problem with him taking the shot, but hey, lets try to get the guy open for a second, no?!? It’s just so asinine…

    The Knicks are like Evan Turner: you know he is not good, but he shows just enough little flashes of good play to keep you feeling that if he could do this or adjust that…but in the end he does none of it because it’s all a fantasy: bad players, like bad teams, like bad girls, can’t be good.

    i think the playcalling needs to change… we are putting him in way too many iso possessions and more pnr would get him thinking about different ways to score and to make a play…. we are also settling for way too many jumpers and not attacking on the whole….

    but our problem overall is defense… we are really really bad…

    If we’re looking for a PG in the back end of the draft and he declares, we should really pick up Joel Berry aka the best player in the country scoring 25 points per 40 on .720 TS. Small sample obviously but he can shoot and distribute and averages 2.5 steals a game. He’d be a steal at 50+ despite his 6’0 frame.

    Noah has been terrible. But I’ll apologize when those who have wrongly castigated Rose do the same.

    Noah wasn’t rebounding, but he was +4 and did some good things like dishing and he did block 4 shots. He was “eh” yesterday. Give him a C.
    KP was -7. He had 5 blocks, didn’t rebound and never got to the line. Give him a C+.
    Rose did everything humanly possible to offset the inhuman Westbrook but he’s human and Westbrook won the battle. Give him a B.
    Lee scored 13 and defended Westbrook late. He seemed out of sync. Give him a B-.
    Melo was a atrocious. Give him an F.

    Anthony needs to look at Westbrook’s line and say to himself that that’s the line he needs to put up to be considered a superstar. Scoring means squat alone. Pass the ball to the open man and soon enough, he’ll be the open man as the opposing team needs to defend others. It was clear that their strategy was to double Melo.

    Carmelo Anthony has played in 33,371 minutes in this here NBA, and has made six All-NBA teams and nine All-Star appearances for playing the black-hole piece of every offense he’s been a part of. He will not change his game. There’s about as much hope for him becoming James Harden as there is trading Courtney Lee for Klay Thompson.


    Melo had 2 assists with all those misses.
    He was a ball stopper.
    I have been lauding Melo so far this season; I don’t have to explain my critique. But his last two games were atrocious.
    If it’s okay to say he has a beautiful shot when it is falling – check the record, I have been saying things like that – then it’s okay to say 11-44 over two games is pretty bad, so bad it probably cost the Knicks both games.
    If Melo goes 8 for 19, not only are those makes, but the misses they replace in some cases don’t turn into transition buckets. If he makes those shots, perhaps the team’s confidence is better. It becomes less desperate.
    If he makes those shots, it’s at least 8 more points, and perhaps more if he takes a 3 or two.
    If he plays within the flow of the offense, rather than becoming iso Melo, his points come easier. The defense can’t focus on him alone.

    I know you know this, I mean no disrespect, but there is a dynamic at play here. When a guy touches the ball and it mostly never goes anywhere else, it affects the whole team dynamic. If the guy touches the ball and he’s making it rain, as Melo has in earlier games this season, everyone gets jacked about it.

    It’s okay to speak plainly about what transpired. 21% shooting is dismal. No need for apologizing or looking elsewhere. When your star takes 19 shots, has only two assists, and he misses 79% of the time, that’s not even a good baseball batting average.
    It’s disastrous.
    It’s okay to say that, really.
    Our second year star, shot efficiently from the floor and the arc. He has as many blocks as rebounds. Was it perfect? No. But it was pretty darn good.
    Noah was terrible. He’s struggled so far this year.
    He wasn’t effective at all last night.
    …and it’s okay to say so.
    My only agenda is hoping the Knicks win.
    Melo is good enough to adapt when he struggles scoring. He didn’t last night.

    Who’d have thunk we’d be sticking a fork in Noah by Turkey Day of his first season? Let’s hope he plays well against Twolves and piques Thibs’ interest. And remember when Noah showed up unannounced at Phil’s Montana cabin? We also have to hope that Noah misses the team plane, shows up at Thib’s house, and sells him on a trade. Thibs dials Jax right there and then:

    TT…Hi Phil, its Tom Thibideau. JoNo here’s as well.
    PJ.…Thank God JoNo’s OK /s
    TT….Phil, I’m prepared to offer you Dunn and Jones for (Phil interrupts)
    PJ…..You know I don’t like promising young rookie guards and besides there’s an elephant in the room here we need to discuss.
    TT….Aw Phil, that NYK head coach job is history, let’s focus on (Phil interrupts again)
    PJ.….I’m talking about the Triangle you Judas Iscariot! You were once a proud disciple but now have lost your way.
    TT….Let it go Phil, the Triangle is dead.
    PJ….How many rings do you have Tom? You’d have winning record now if you played Triangle.
    TT…Why you smug, self-absorbed, anachronistic old coot! I’m gonna hang up now.
    PJ….NoGoJo in a trade?
    TT…I’ll give you Pek for JoNo straight up.
    PJ…Throw in Cole.
    TT..OK you always did have a fetish for gawky lanky guys like yourself.
    PJ…And you also agree to play the Triangle.
    TT..30% of the time
    TT…Aaah OK
    PJ….Great I’ll have Jeanie send you the paperwork later this week.
    PJ….Yeah, you’re also getting your old warhorse Deng.
    TT…I’ve already got Dieng.
    PJ…NO you fool-LOUAL. Trust me, need ancient vets to get first ring

    As much as I like Rose I have to admit that spending the money elsewhere and keeping Rolo over Noah might have been the way to go. We could have still gotten Lee I imagine.

    Spend that money on Jennings, Lee and maybe Jeremy Lin and we could have kept Grant (and maybe Gallo?) and we’d probably be about where we are now if not a bit better.

    I still have hope Noah will improve though. Its early yet.

    Only solution to the Melo problem is to bench him until he asks for a trade. Team doesn’t have the balls, though.

    I do think KP not getting to the line is bad.
    He seemed to have trouble getting into the paint and when he did get there, OKC kind of let him dunk. They played him smart. If he got close, they didn’t foul.
    But KP needs to draw more fouls, which means he needs to hold his position on the block and in the paint and draw contact.
    He’s a good FT shooter.
    He’ll figure this all out. But OKC played him smartly.

    We have yet to see Melo, KP and Rose play a completely solid game together so far.

    Getting rid of Melo is silly.
    Up until the last two games, the guy has been having a great start.
    By every account, he’s been a strong backer of KP. He is important to his development.
    But Melo is going to need to adapt his game. He now complements other players on the Knicks. He’s not the sole guy out there who can make his own shot and score.
    KP clearly can, and we’ll see about Rose. I’d like his good play to be far less episodic.
    I want to see consistency.

    No decent free agent or player would ever want to come to a franchise that deliberately benched its star player in order for him to demand a trade

    It would be image suicide and would disincentivize any and all players from playing here

    Moreover Phil and Hornacek would be immediately fired by Dolan if they tried to pull that. It’s fantasy.

    Its up to the fans to let him know (as they’ve done a few times on occasion this year at MSG) that some of his shots are completely ill-advised… his ego will tell him that he deserves better or he’ll realize the error in his ways and adapt…

    I too do hope Melo learns to adapt to other roles when he’s shooting this badly… but honestly,is there any indication in his entire career that he’s capable or willing to do it?

    that’s my issue with Melo, the fact that he seems completely oblivious about his issues as a player and continues to chalk it up to “I have to take these shots every night”.

    if the team was built around him with efficient scorers and good defenders, that might work… it clearly is not, and when Porzingis has a suboptimal performance and Melo is in this mode, the Knicks are losing, even with a monstrous performance from Rose.

    Frank O as I said before I agree he was bad but there were bigger issues. We won games when Rose was terrible , when Melo was terrible and when KP was terrible. Melo got to the line way above his seasons avg coming in( I believe it was about 4.3 attempts per game) dude was 10-11 from the line. Ended up with 18 points on 19 shots (including the last 3 0r so that came in garbage time) so as bad as he was it was almost a point a shot. Not great of course but not, as awful as it could have been. Yes he should have played better. My point is that Rose more than made up for it as well as KP on the offensive end.

    Melo’s hot start was really heavily tied to his (unsustainable) hot shooting of midrange jumpers. Those numbers are regressing to the mean, and so are Melo’s eFG% and TS%.

    If you look at Melo’s numbers for the season they look uncannily like his numbers from the first two seasons of the MMM contract– .530ish TS%, WS around .120. It’s not surprising at all that his production has fallen off since his late 20’s salad days. He’ll have great games, and he’ll have games like last night. Add it all up and you get very poor value for a max contract player.

    Quite simply there are structural problems with this team that seem unfixable. The Knicks are dead last, 30th out of 30, in defensive rebounding. They’re also below average in the other three of the Four Factors, including 24th in defensive FT/FGA. So you have a defense that is bad at some things, and horrible at other things.

    Average offense + bad defense = below average team.

    This is why you don’t invest in players who are heading into their decline phase. You’re paying for their past performance rather than their future performance. We have three of them under long-term contracts. They’re going to decline further as they get deeper into those contracts. We’re only hoping that the decline is slow rather than abrupt.

    I mean, whatever. I’m stating the obvious. Sorry.

    No decent free agent or player would ever want to come to a franchise that deliberately benched its star player in order for him to demand a trade

    It would be image suicide and would disincentivize any and all players from playing here

    Moreover Phil and Hornacek would be immediately fired by Dolan if they tried to pull that. It’s fantasy.

    Short memory.

    Melo himself had no problem coming here after the Dolan-approved Marbury nasty benching.

    If the money is right, they will come.

    Also, I love that there’s already rumors about Jackson going to Los Angeles. It’s not even December yet!!!

    The irony of it all. That idiot Buss son is building the type of dynamic young team which Phil should have constructed. Jeanie said the Lakers have to make the playoffs this year or he’s gone. Right now they’re sitting in 8th place without Ingram. Phil may be drooling on a paper bib before he makes it back to the Lakers. And that means we may have Phil for the duration of his contract if NYK make playoffs. Lose -Lose situation. Ugh!

    I still don’t understand why we didn’t offer Hassan Whiteside a max contract.

    Because he “was” the “beneficiary” of “playing next to” Dwayne Wade.

    Of course Derrick Rose is going to sign a long-term contract here. This is the New York Knicks.

    Phil will try to get a meeting with Chris Paul and Chris Paul will refuse to meet with him, then Derrick Rose will sign a long-term deal. You can see this coming from 100 miles away.

    If you like 2016-2017 Derrick Rose, you’ll love Decline Phase Derrick Rose. He’ll fit right in here.

    I think it’s obvious Derrick Rose could play his way into a new contract. What would be more telling, and what the article doesn’t state, is if the Knicks think Derrick Rose’s current level of play is deserving of a new contract. What would be more telling what level of play the Knicks would need to see before offering Rose the extension.

    The Knicks haven’t approached him. Nothing to see here, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we extended Rose on a regrettable deal.

    I know this isn’t a popular opinion around here, but if Derrick Rose could increase his scoring efficiency 30-40 points he would be really good. His rebounding and foul numbers are good for a guard.

    I know this isn’t a popular opinion around here, but if Derrick Rose could increase his scoring efficiency 30-40 points he would be really good.

    If Derrick Rose was better than he is, he’d be good. I agree with that.

    If we finish around .500 and run this team back plus a draft pick that is the definition of insanity. Or maybe not… you would expect different, worse, results as these guys age.

    I know Phil hasn’t been great but he would have to be senile to do that. At some point something’s gotta give.

    What would be more telling what level of play the Knicks would need to see before offering Rose the extension.

    This is why I was so down on the trade. We gave up solid, tangible assets to get Rose. This suggests that our front office feels like Rose’s production the past two years was worth what they gave up. The fact that Rose is currently playing a bit better than last year (but still mediocre as hell) makes a contract extension pretty much a certainty if he stays healthy. A 3 year extension would also align to the Noah and Lee contracts we gave out this past summer. This was most likely the plan all along. We’re fucked for at least 3 more years.

    I know Phil hasn’t been great but he would have to be senile to do that. At some point something’s gotta give.

    Well, he gave Melo a NTC for god knows what reason, so anything’s possible.

    Also, this won’t happen but how fun would this team be on offense if we swapped Melo and Kevin Love? KP, KLove front court would be devastating… probably give it all back on d though

    If Kristaps scored 30-40 TS% higher, he’d be a superstar. That’s all he has to do to become a superstar. He should do it.

    If DRose promises to keep the ball out of Melo’s hands I sign him to the max right now.

    Players who reub thinks are no good: Carmelo Anthony, Joakim Noah


    Mike Conley has a fractured vertebrae and is out indefinitely. Thank God we took Rose instead!

    Isn’t there someone who could use a very belligerent albeit slightly aging warrior at the five? See what I did there?

    Yeah. Awful story about Conley. This could be career changing/ending. Bad backs don’t get well easily. Basketball, with all the jumping, is a very grueling sport for backs.

    that is really bad news… i still think the conley contract wasn’t that bad before this news… and he was on his way to a career year… but wow…

    Frank O, I just read somewhere that he might only miss 6 weeks so be careful if you discard him.

    If we fall out of it, Jennings becomes a very desirable trade target for a lot of teams (like Memphis). He’d be a rotation player for almost every team in the league. I’d rather move Rose but he is close to untradeable because of the need to find a matching salary.

    The wins against ATL, POR, and CHA were what I have wanted to see for a long time. A team that is hard to beat on their home court. I wouldn’t even necessarily need to believe they could win a series against one of those clubs right now. All I want is a team that dominates at home and wins road games against bad teams. That equals playoffs. If Rose, Melo, and Jo deliver that I’m satisfied. They would even deserve their deals to be here another couple of seasons (or prospective ones). But I also want an opportunistic team. No Marvin Williams, no Batum, NYK should have beaten CHA the other night on the back end. 38 point first quarter for CHA is barf worthy. NYK gives up 30+ point quarters on a regular basis. On offense we need to stop taking so many contested two point shots. We still stop moving the ball though it’s been slightly better which is why we don’t completely blow. In short, if this is as good as it’s going to get I’m nonplussed. Melo’s play in the last two games can’t continue. He may never really morph into the player we want him to be but he needs to be a better team player than the last two games and it’s highly disconcerting for fans who’ve been suffering with this team since we got rid of Marcus Camby (the first time). I thought we were maybe going to turn a corner.

    Sandy gets a terrible rap in my book. I think he’s been a terrific GM. Capitalized on his predecessors success acquiring young talent no doubt. But he didn’t screw it up.

    If Sandy operated like Phil he’d have given a huge contract extension to RA Dickey instead of trading him for Thor

    Nerlens Noel wants out of Philly. I’m sure they could use Joakim’s winning attitude and other intangibles, right?

    Lance has plenty of intangibles too, like his contributions on the floor

    I’d trade pretty much everyone on the roster except KP for Noel, if he’s 100% healthy.

    he shot a lot better in his sophomore year than on his pretty bad rookie year, with a roster of d-leaguers around him, and he can be a monster defensively.

    unfortunately the Sixers won’t want anything the Knicks have to offer, and it’s too soon to offer the 2017 1st rounder.

    Considering that Philly is dumb enough to keep Okafor over Noel they might dumb enough to be persuaded to part with Noel for LT + something or the other.

    I’m not optimistic tho.

    I mean, everyone knows Philly’s situation, no team in the league will make amazing offers for Noel… Colangelo has a history of incredibly stupid decisions, he might fall for Lee + a younger guy + some other crap, who knows.

    This board is way over reacting. OKC is what, 10 and 7 or so. They are a good team and Westbrook has a good shot at being League MVP this year. I couldn’t watch the game but it clearly wasn’t a blow out. Losing a game to a good team does happen and isn’t cause for panic. When you lose a game there’s always someone who shot poorly. It doesn’t mean you have to get rid of him right away or that he’s a lousy player overall. Looking at the big picture, the Knicks are 8 and 9 against a tough schedule and seem to have improved since the beginning of the season. That’s better than most predicted for them. I think they have a chance for a nice season.

    And on the subject of Jackson, I pray he doesn’t go to LA this summer. The team needs stable management. And, although he hasn’t been perfect, he’s been much better than his predecessors. This is despite having no previous front office experience.

    Honestly, if you are looking for a GM who will not break the bank resigning Rose, he’s more likely not to than many other GMs. So I say, please stay.

    This board is way over reacting. OKC is what, 10 and 7 or so. They are a good team and Westbrook has a good shot at being League MVP this year. I couldn’t watch the game but it clearly wasn’t a blow out. Losing a game to a good team does happen and isn’t cause for panic.

    Now that last night’s disappointment has faded, I’m inclined to agree. Russ plays at an MVP level every night, and against the Knicks the rest of the team showed up. Roberson is a sub-30% 3PT shooter and he hit clutch threes. Even that lump of nothingness Joffrey Lauvergne played big minutes. OKC is high variance team. Russ gives them a legit chance to win every night. He’s officially averaging a triple double for the season now.

    I still think we’re an excellent team that has to learn how to play together. I’m just gently prodding a few of the players so as to light a fire under them. Nothing more.

    @92 & @94 –
    I agree too, but it’s standard. I never expected a win yesterday. Yeah, they could’ve won, but the odds were against it, IMO. But that’s a typical NY reaction, or overreaction.

    I’ve said it before but the Knicks need health, depth, chemistry and consistency. So far they’ve been somewhat healthy. They’ve shows some promising depth. There have been glimpses of chemistry. I guess you can say they’ve been somewhat consistent because, for the most part, they have been strong at home and weak on the road. On the other hand, they are Jekyl and Hyde – even within a game. Good teams need to gel and they are not there. The worst thing is that New Yorkers will not give this team even a quarter season to come together.

    I’m just gently prodding a few of the players so as to light a fire under them. Nothing more.

    what the fuck

    no single loss is cause for panic… and okc is a solid team… but yesterday’s game sort of exposed our weaknesses…. our defense.. our work on the boards… reliance on midrange shots… rose basically played a vintage rose game… by far his best as a knick… and we were only kind-of-sort-of in it….

    our expected record is about 6-11 which sounds about right with a bad defense (27th) and an average offense(14th)… things probably can get worse from here without anything changing much…

    We ain’t winning shit. Our rebounding and defensive numbers is too weak to contend. The moments when we do play inspired offense happen because guys think about sharing the ball instead of playing hero ball.

    We should look to trade away our starters – which was the Mets way of rebuilding after the Madoff scandal bled the Wilpons dry and Minaya’s tenure of building superstar heavy teams didn’t work out. I would look to trade Noah and Melo away for whatever we can after this season while letting Rose walk.

    New Orleans looks much improved right now. I would not be surprised if they get to 40 wins this season.

    Jrue Holiday coming back helped them a lot…

    if Giannis manages to deliver performances like this one consistently, Milwaukee is a playoff team… they look scary when he’s on.

    he might be making the leap this season… not a great shooter still, but he’s so smart with his shot selection, it’s super impressive… he has 34 points in 17 shots, pretty much 2 threes and everything else in the paint… 5 assists 5 steals 2 blocks and 12 rebounds

    AD with a ho hum 41 and 16 boards

    I’m glad for Milwaukee….it’s better for the league that they have a marquee player. Haven’t had one since Jesus Shuttlesworth and the Big Dog them. Giannis is a star. This league is in great hands going forward. They just need a lead guard to play under Kidd

    Anyone see the clip of JR going to hug Jason Terry on the bench while his man Tony Snell goes in for a dunk?

    What a dope.

    Jrue Holiday coming back helped them a lot…

    You mean LangStar wasn’t the difference?

    if Milwaukee manages to find a George Hill type PG they could become the 3rd or 4th best team in the east this year, the amount of talent in the roster is insane.

    once Parker adjusts to the league he will be a very useful two-way player, he’s still struggling finishing, I believe because he was able to dominate lesser athletes in college but not the nba… if he ever figures it out, it’s a scary proposition.

    I mean, Kidd has managed to make Beasley play super well, he looks like a different player coming off the bench, and Monroe has been super useful too.

    The Net coach decides to let rookie Isaiah Whitehead shoot a vital double technical right near the end of OT. He misses both and the Clippers tie it. Now in the 2nd OT. Bonehead move.

    Anyone see the clip of JR going to hug Jason Terry on the bench while his man Tony Snell goes in for a dunk?

    Funniest thing about this is as I’m sure we all remember JR was thrown out out of a playoff game and suspended for the next one for elbowing Terry in the head for no apparent reason


    man, that would be something… let’s hope it’s in NY, and not Minnesota or anywhere else lol.

    Twin Towers 3.0 should be the goal. Hell, even our current contracts would run out just in time to make it possible. We just have to stay the course, continue draft smart, and develop our young core.

    KAT is a local product from Piscataway, NJ. His father was my substitute teacher in Middle and His School. His roots run deep in the NY/NJ area. He grew up a Knicks fan during the worst period in franchise history.

    His father was my substitute teacher in Middle and His School.

    Really? That’s awesome.

    I dream of a KP Towns frontcourt, please don’t get my hopes up.

    Really? That’s awesome.

    I even went to Communion class with his half-sister, very funny girl. He’s got solid Jersey-Dominican roots. He’s from Piscataway, NJ. His father is a Knicks fan. He grew up a Knicks fan during the worst period in franchise history and wanted to be chosen #1 by the team. The opportunity is there.

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