Knicks Morning News (2016.11.14)

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ Justin Holiday swears off social media to focus on prayer
    (Sunday, November 13, 2016 8:43:57 PM)

    Knicks backup shooting guard Justin Holiday has vowed to stay off social media — except to post Bible verses — in an attempt to increase his prayer work. Holiday’s family is going through tough times. His sister-in-law, soccer star Lauren Holiday, married to the Pelicans’ Jrue Holiday, recently underwent brain surgery for a tumor after…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose vents about refs: Why don’t I ever get the calls?
    (Sunday, November 13, 2016 2:49:19 PM)

    Through the first nine games, Derrick Rose has rocketed to the rim without a problem, occasionally with a killer crossover that has the fans fawning. Rose’s forays often end with a lovely kiss off the glass for two points — or a wild miss/turnover. What they don’t end up with is Rose getting to the…

  • [NYPost] Knicks guard fined $15K after screaming word at ref
    (Sunday, November 13, 2016 2:11:03 PM)

    Brandon Jennings came away from Boston with two technical fouls and now $15,000 out of his pocket. The NBA hit the Knicks guard with a fine Sunday for “directing inappropriate language toward a game official and failing to leave the court in a timely manner following his ejection,” after Jennings was tossed from the Knicks’…

  • [NYTimes] Chinese Coaches Take Lessons in Hardwood Diplomacy in America
    (Sunday, November 13, 2016 8:17:42 PM)

    Junior high and high school coaches from China participated in a three-month residency as part of a partnership involving the Chinese government, the Pac-12 and the University of Utah.

  • [NYDN] Five most important issues Knicks must address
    (Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:54:35 PM)

    In a different and better existence for the Knicks, they start the season with a winning record and a solid defense.

  • [NYDN] Defense continues to be invisible as Knicks lose to Raptors
    (Sunday, November 13, 2016 6:57:41 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony came out inspired before disappearing in the fourth quarter.

  • [SNY Knicks] Jennings fined $15K for actions after ejection in Boston
    (Sunday, November 13, 2016 6:43:11 PM)

    The Knicks’ Brandon Jennings was fined $15,000 by the NBA Sunday for “failing to leave the court in a timely manner” and “directing inappropriate language toward a game official” in the fourth quarter of Friday’s 115-87 loss in Boston.

  • [SNY Knicks] Can Lee build on his breakout performance for Knicks?
    (Sunday, November 13, 2016 11:04:20 AM)

    As Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah attract more of the headlines, the acquisition of Courtney Lee has continued to fly under the radar.

  • [ESPN] Monday’s Knicks News: Kristaps Porzingis admires Dirk Nowitzki
    (Monday, November 14, 2016 5:52:57 AM)

    Monday’s Knicks News: Kristaps Porzingis admires Dirk Nowitzki

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ Jennings fined $15K for language at ref
    (Sunday, November 13, 2016 6:56:50 PM)

    Knicks’ Jennings fined $15K for language at ref

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis, at 7-3, still looks up to Dirk Nowitzki
    (Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:30:56 PM)

    After a game last December, Kristaps Porzingis was handed a piece of paper with a phone number on it. A basketball legend was impressed with how the young Knick played and carried himself, and he wanted to extend a helping hand.

  • 66 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.11.14)”

    I agree with Derrick Rose about the whistle he gets from refs. He actually takes a fair amount of contact and literally never gets calls. Not to complain about the refs but I’ll do it anyway – the minimal contact guys like Harden, Durant, etc. get foul calls for seems to never get called for KP and Rose. KP takes a ton of contact on his drives, but only gets calls when he does his little turnaround and hack him like crazy.

    Re: Rose – if you look at NBA.com’s player tracking feature on “drives” at the players who have driven to the basket more than 10x per game, there are 13 of them.

    The average FTA/FGA (on those drives for those players) is 47%. Rose has a FTA/FGA of 21%. The only one lower is Ish Smith at 17.6%. Either he is truly elite at avoiding contact or something is wrong. By the eye test, he is drawing contact, but not drawing fouls.

    @1 – Frank, the simple explanation is the guys you mention (Harden, Durant, etc.) need to be fouled because they *will* score. Rose has problems scoring on drives, so defenders can afford to play him without fouling. That’s what is happening, nothing to do with refs.

    Rose is athletic, but not good.

    Isn’t it the case that Rose has had a miserable free throw rate ever since his injury

    I wish people would stop the childish narrative about ‘the media’, Charles Barkley, Refs, ESPN and countless others having an anti-Knicks agenda.

    The Knicks are a shitty organization, a shitty team, one of the absolute worst NBA franchises of the last 20 years and if anyone needs to find the real enemy they only need to look at the front office.

    How can any fucking rational person look at this roster and not see it sucks?

    I need a coffee…

    I disagree with both of you. I think Harden draws fouls because he figured out to move in ways that people really foul him. It’s not that that they want to foul him. My eyes say Rose doesn’t do that. I don’t know why he doesn’t, but it’s his style, not the refs or the defenders

    Actually, the Knick that doesn’t get fouls when it looks like he is fouled is Melo.

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    Theo,

    Worse than the Kings? Worse than the Clippers under their previous owner?worse than the 76ers? Worse than the Suns?

    Comparing Durant’s and Harden’s drives to the basket with Rose’s is comical. Ish Smith is more like it.

    Actually, the Knick that doesn’t get fouls when it looks like he is fouled is Melo.

    Refs have it for Melo (it’s part of the anti-NY conspiracy!), he is misunderstood as a person and his teams have never surrounded him with the players necessary for him to succeed. A real sports tragedy.

    Theo, I know you like to troll, but Rose has actually been scoring well on drives. He’s 5th in the league scoring on drives behind just Lillard, Derozan, Harden, and Isiah Thomas, and is shooting 62.3% in the restricted area. But thanks for your informed opinion.

    I hope the Knicks don’t lose a single game from here out so we don’t have to hear the sage preaching of Theo ever again.

    Derrick Rose’s free throw rate utterly collapsed after his first major injury in 2012 and it has not returned. It was literally cut in half. Did all of the refs in the NBA just decide they didn’t like Derrick Rose anymore?

    As for JK47 and noblefacehumper, yeah, we get it – the team is likely to be mediocre this year. So what about the $25 mil in cap space and our #1? They don’t count when you’re assessing how we’re doomed?

    I feel like Melo doesn’t get calls a lot of the time because he tries to score in impossible situations. How many times have we seen Melo try to bull his way through three defenders, throw up an impossible prayer, then complain about the non-call? He does that a lot.

    I ain’t talking about the team being bad, I’m talking about Derrick Rose and Carmelo Anthony’s inability to get foul calls. You know, the topic of discussion that somebody else started upthread. I guess I’m not allowed to talk about that though, so nevermind.

    Derrick Rose is awesome and it’s just not fayeeer that he doesn’t get foul calls and it’s just because the refs are haters. There, FTFY.

    Is the theory here that Melo and Rose don’t get foul calls because the league is biased against the Knicks? Because that is some serious fanboi horseshit.

    For what it’s worth the Kings were pretty good in the early 2000s and even made the WCF and could’ve made the finals were it not for some *ahem* questionable reffing

    The Knicks haven’t been good for almost twenty years but what makes them the worst NBA franchise is the absolute joke of a front office/ownership. Case in point the sexual harassment lawsuit and the continued presence of Zeke

    Derrick Rose’s free throw rate utterly collapsed after his first major injury in 2012 and it has not returned. It was literally cut in half. Did all of the refs in the NBA just decide they didn’t like Derrick Rose anymore?

    I have no doubt that he avoided contact after his injuries, but you also have to look at what kinds of shots he was taking in 2013-14 he suddenly started taking about 1/3 of his shots from 3 point range – obviously not likely to get fouled there especially since he’s not a good 3 point shooter. This year he’s taking 47% of his shots at the rim, a full 50% more than even his MVP years, but has 1/2 the free throw rate. Some of it is probably him avoiding contact, but some of it is likely to be him just not getting calls.

    On the majority of drives to the basket in the NBA there is contact – it’s just a question of whether it gets called or not. Some guys get those calls, some guys don’t. Rose is now in the latter category.

    How many times have we seen Melo’s headband knocked upside down and no whistle blown?

    I don’t think their is a conspiracy against us but Melo does get a shit whistle compared to other stars. Even fans of other teams have noted the bad whistles against him when I read their game threads.

    I don’t know if it was posted here but Tony Brothers accounts for 21 of Melo’s career 123 Technicals. If that isn’t biased then I don’t know what is.

    The average FTs attempted per game by any NBA team this year is 23.8. The Knicks average 21.0. Would we like to be above (or at least) average? Sure. On the other hand, against the same league avg 23.8 attempts, we allow 29.2 attempts per game…nearly twice the disparity of our own FTA vs average. This is where I’d focus, not only because it’s a bigger issue, but also something that we, in theory, have more of an ability to correct (which hopefully they are..as this is how we play defense..dr Rambis is all over this. #sarcasm). While trying to figure out how to get to the line more often would be nice (assuming it’s possible), it wouldn’t be my priority…especially given that our offense is currently good enough to win us most games. #DEFENSE.

    Prediction: Melo will not like Phil telling Jackie we have no Rolls Royce like Lebron. He’s sensitive like that.

    I’m trying to figure out why the paint defense is so bad thus far. Last season, KP had to guard PF’s but he was still able to rebound and help protect the paint. This season, it’s the same, but his rebounding and blocks are down. Maybe it’s scheme..maybe it’s Noah. In Noah’s case, he hasn’t regained the mobility that made him a defensive star. But at the same time, he’s never been a great shot blocker. If Noah had his mobility, Hornacek could easily have him check PF’s and have KP man the paint. At the same time, coaches are letting their PF’s kinda roam and keep KP away from the paint, and Hornacek hasn’t found a way to adjust. With more and more PF’s being able to stretch the floor, it’s gonna be a huge problem for us. I doubt Rambis is gonna be able to install a scheme to mask that weakness.

    I want Porzingis around the hoop as much as possible on defense. He changes a ton of shots there. He seems to be leaking to the perimeter much more this year though.

    If the players are good, the front office is good, the coach is good, everything is good, why is the record so freaking bad?

    Must be the refs. Charles Barkley, perhaps.

    Every year we go through the same ritual: ‘it’s a low risk\hi reward move, if he doesn’t work out, we move him’, ‘you can’t judge the team on a preseason game’, ‘they need time to gel! Let’s wait 20 games before we panic’, ‘we never get the right calls, man!’, ‘this is a new roster and the triangle requires at least 6 months’, ‘I don’t understand the rotations. Why isn’t player X coming to help on the weak side?’, ‘This loss is on the coach’, ‘at least we have a draft pick next year’, ‘why is everybody talking about next year’s free agency so early?’, ‘this a solud core, we just need to get a few vets’, ‘he is not finished, and, anyway, we need veteran leadership; he can mentor our young talent’, ‘Melo wants to win’, ‘have you seen the point guard for Penn?’, ‘Chris Paul and Melo would be unstoppable’, etc., etc.

    Every fan who makes excuses for this sorry-ass team on a daily basis is a sorry-ass loser himself and lacks the balls to admit he deserves better.

    I see Theo is filling up the Ban-o-meter again. Let’s make the 7th ban a special one.

    Knicks win? Rose has changed everything and our offense is impossible to stop. Knicks lose? Theres a league wide conspiracy against us and we’re doomed forever and only brave and noble Theo dares speak the truth.

    Y’all gotta be realistic. This team is probably going to be mediocre

    Well, one thing’s for sure, Dallas is one of the weakest teams in the NBA, so the Knicks should be able to beat up on those jamokes. Their best player is Harrison Barnes and their second best player is probably JJ Barea.

    I’m not sure what I’m missing. Our offense seems to work just fine. It’s our defense that is problematic. The numbers from preseason (as much as we often say preseason means nothing) have telegraphed right into the regular season. Until we stop folks and keep them off the line, we will struggle to win games. All of our fears about injury and offensive have not come to pass. Defense has been a surprise to me. IM not advanced enough..nor have I spent enough time to analyze/hypothesize..what the problem is. I will say that comments from preseason from the coach and team made it seem to me that defensive scheming was not a priority.

    As for JK47 and noblefacehumper, yeah, we get it – the team is likely to be mediocre this year. So what about the $25 mil in cap space and our #1? They don’t count when you’re assessing how we’re doomed?

    http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

    You tell me man. What would be a smart way to spend that money that doesn’t involve a total pipe dream? Jackson cleared out space for a very weak FA class because he thought Westbrook would be a part of it.

    If what you’re referring to when you say our “#1” is our first round draft pick that most other teams have as well, then yeah, I’m happy we have it and am looking forward to keeping up with prospects this year (I’m not normally huge on the college game outside of my Canes, but during the 2014-2015 season I could’ve told you pretty much anything about the top 15-20 guys…so of course we took the European kid). The problem is we’re likely to have a draft pick that historically has unexciting returns due to our pursuit of absolutely meaningless wins. Check out the 9-14 pick range with this thing: http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-draft-picks/15th-overall/150509/

    There are definitely some studs and I’ll be hoping we find our Giannis/Heyward/Drummond/etc. But generally the players you find in that range don’t move the needle enough for this team’s outlook to change a whole lot.

    Knicks defense is so bad. Melo fucked up the past two games. Rose looks unhappy here. KP’s defense away from the interior is a problem.

    But, hey, Phil still wants to stay!!

    There are definitely some studs and I’ll be hoping we find our Giannis/Heyward/Drummond/etc. But generally the players you find in that range don’t move the needle enough for this team’s outlook to change a whole lot.

    This is a draft. Most of the players you find in any range don’t move your needle enough.

    Still relevant

    The problem with that study is that Melo is as physical a mid-post player as I’ve ever seen- Melo 15 feet away from the basket is a whole different animal than say KD. I think Melo gets the whistle he does because he’s just really difficult to officiate- he could get called for offensive fouls a lot more often than he does (he uses his off-arm to create space a ton).

    Our offense seems to work just fine. It’s our defense that is problematic.

    Yes, we’re scoring points, but I still don’t see a consistent “bread and butter” play or two that gets KP what he wants. I love his versatility, but his points still seem arbitrary and scored independent of any coherent offensive system (or is my eye-test wrong?).

    I would love to hear Hornacek’s answer to: “We need the last basket. It MUST come from KP. What do you run?” And whatever play is that answer, we should run it over and over and over and over again every game. A little bit more predictability on offense might even help KP settle down on defense.

    That Mavs roster is so fugly.

    Ancient Dirk $25M
    Harrison Barnes $22M
    Wes Matthews $17M
    Andrew Bogut $11M
    Deron Williams $9M

    Four of those five players are on the wrong side of 30 and are either completely washed up or in deep decline, and the other one, Barnes, is an egregious overpay at $22M. Their best player under 25 is the utterly generic Justin Anderson. That is one hopeless looking situation.

    @ 45 – Yeah Cuban has not handled the post championship Mavs era well. But it must be hard when you have an aging franchise player like Dirk. Dirk put the Mavs on the map. They were never good before they drafted him. The best I can remember were the Mashburn days when they were an up and coming team but they never became good. Then they draft Dirk and everything changes. Playoff appearances something like 14 times since he was a Mav? Two finals. One championships. Many playoff series victories.

    So what do you do when a guy like Dirk gets older? Its easy to say don’t resign him but you can’t do that in good conscience. So you try to remain competitive which puts off the rebuild, you overpay for free agents, etc.

    The Mavs also got dicked around by DeAndre Jordan and they probably wouldn’t have signed Matthews if they knew Jordan wasn’t coming. I didn’t like the Barnes contract at all and I still don’t, but if he maintains his current level of play it won’t be a total disaster since there isn’t likely to be much age related decline in there. Dirk is signed for this year and next but after that they’ll have some cap space and two likely high-ish lottery picks in tow. I think Cuban will have them back in business before too long.

    Also if the Knicks ever win a championship I’ll give them free reign to be as bad as they want for the proceeding 10-20 years…

    Rose is shooting a stellar 62.7 percent from 0-3 feet. Westbrook, for example, is shooting 59.7 (and is a career 57 % shooter at the rim).

    Rose is also shooting a career high percentage of his shots at the rim (43.7). Unfortunately, he is also shooting WAAAYYY below his career average on every jump shot range:

    3-10 feet 40 % (44%), 10-16 feet 22.7 (42%), 16<3pt 30.8 (40.9%), 3 pt 27.3 (30.2).

    If Rose were merely shooting career average from those other ranges, all other things remaining the same, his efg % would be 50.8 % crushing a previous career high of .495.

    His TS would also rise to 54.3 %.

    So, yes, Rose remains one of the most explosive guards in the league, is finishing at a superbly high rate, ranks 13th in the league in drives per game.

    But here’s the catch: He’s only getting fouled on 13 % percent of his drives, one of the LOWEST marks in the league.

    Kemba Walker, a player of similar quickness, but smaller, gets to the foul line on 25 % of his drives.

    John Wall, 32 %.
    Isaiah Thomas, 25.5 %
    Russell Westbrook, 27.8%
    J.J. Barea, 23%
    Eric Bledsoe, 26 %
    Kryie Irving, 15.5%
    Kyle Lowry, 17.8 %

    If Rose got fouled on 20 % of his drives, for example, his TS would rise to .525, all things remaining the same.

    Why doesn’t Rose get fouls ? I have no idea, he seems to show contact pretty well.

    http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1

    IMO, Cuban is probably the luckiest guy on earth to have made as much money as has, cashed out, and then won the championship with Dallas. I see no sign of any special business or basketball acumen that leads me to believe any of this would be repeatable if he started from scratch.

    I had an uncle that dropped out of high school when he was young. In his 50s he started a business with borrowed family money out of desperation because he was penniless and without work. The damn thing took off and he made millions, went public, and became wealthy. When I was young I used to wonder how that could happen because I knew from conversation he simply was not an especially bright guy or an especially hard worker. Well, I learned that things like that sometimes happen for the same reason that some people hit the lottery. The thing is, most of the time a fool and his money are eventually parted ( or they are at least exposed as lucky). My uncle died broke.

    I’m not saying that’s the future for Cuban. Its hard to lose as much money as he has, especially when you own a basketball franchise. But do not confuse making a lot of money or even a single championship with being especially gifted or knowledgeable on either. It doesn’t work that way in real life. He’s been simply terrible with the Mavs since the championship.

    KP is averaging 1.38 PPP as the roll man. DRose is dusting people on a consistent basis.

    Melo/Rose + KP pnr should be the bread and butter. If it’s not there for KP on the roll, one of the two players should have a 1-1 mismatch.

    Melo is in the 73rd percentile in post-ups, KP is in the 86th percentile.

    Melo is in the 78th percentile in isolations (1.14 PPP).

    Melo is in the 73rd percentile in post-ups, KP is in the 86th percentile.

    Wow, I didn’t know KP was doing so great on postups.

    So what do you do when a guy like Dirk gets older? Its easy to say don’t resign him but you can’t do that in good conscience. So you try to remain competitive which puts off the rebuild, you overpay for free agents, etc.

    I also think it’s worth pointing out that while they haven’t been really a contender since the title year, it’s not like they’ve been awful either. 36 wins in the lockout year followed by 41, 49, 50 and 42 is nothing to sneeze at. I think they’ve had enough success to justify somewhat catering to the greatest player in franchise history, even if they may have slowed their rebuild timeline by a couple years. So far this year it looks like they may have finally played out the last of that string, but overall the strategy was hardly a disaster.

    On Rose not getting foul calls: my eye test tells me that one of his pet shots looks like he leans back and puts up that floater. In a way he seems to always be moving towards space rather than contact. Maybe I am wrong but that floater came to mind as I read the data showing his low percentage of FTs .

    thenoblefacehumper: You tell me man. What would be a smart way to spend that money that doesn’t involve a total pipe dream? Jackson cleared out space for a very weak FA class because he thought Westbrook would be a part of it.

    And this is the mistake that the Knicks and Lakers keep making: obsessing over cap space and the fantasy of a star joining via free agency and then settling for overpaying bad players. They strike out, predictably, and face a choice: overpay and put a cap on your team’s upside or do nothing and ton of games. It’s like going to the Black Friday special at The Sharper Image and finding all the deals are gone and all that’s left is the wildly overpriced products. You feel depressed about it and so end up spending $300 on that alarm clock where the numbers seem to float in mid-air!

    At least the Lakers have been disciplined enough to not commit long term money. Still, the Dwight/Nash fiasco set that team back years and the money spent on mediocre players like Hibbert and Lou Williams very nearly cost the Lakers a high lotto pick. They were lucky the ping pong balls bailed them out.

    The problem with that study is that Melo is as physical a mid-post player as I’ve ever seen- Melo 15 feet away from the basket is a whole different animal than say KD. I think Melo gets the whistle he does because he’s just really difficult to officiate- he could get called for offensive fouls a lot more often than he does (he uses his off-arm to create space a ton).

    Beat me too the punch. I think Melo’s issue is that because of his strength he is able to play through a lot of contact without being too affected by it (i.e. it’s not as noticeable to refs because it’s not as visible that his shot is being altered by excessive contact). I know he has a gripe with the refs about it, but kudos to him for not taking the easy way out and flopping on contact to get their attention.

    I disagree with both of you. I think Harden draws fouls because he figured out to move in ways that people really foul him. It’s not that that they want to foul him. My eyes say Rose doesn’t do that. I don’t know why he doesn’t, but it’s his style, not the refs or the defenders

    Very underrated post. Harden may get some calls that he doesn’t warrant, but most of the calls he gets come because he moves ways where people do actually foul him. This is the opposite with people like Rose and I believe Melo as well. Melo seems to just smash into people with his body when he anticipates contact. Most of the time, this can be countered by going straight up for the defender and Melo will disorient himself by running into them. Rose is a different case, where he is constantly contorting his arms and body to avoid contact in the paint, so even when defenders touch him it really does not show or seem to affect him.

    Shaq had to be the hardest guy to ever call fouls on, because, like, every play was a foul one way or the other with his sheer size.

    Shaq had to be the hardest guy to ever call fouls on, because, like, every play was a foul one way or the other with his sheer size.

    Yeah I am a firm believer that except for extreme cases of players with superhuman size and strength (like Shaq), play style is a much bigger factor in the amount of calls they get than physical stature. I don’t think anyone would argue that Melo is stronger than Lebron, and Lebron has gotten the whistles for his career.

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