Knicks Morning News (2016.11.13)

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks keep it close, but falter in crunch time against Raptors
    (Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:01:51 AM)

    Playing their first real close game of the season, the Knicks’ execution failed them on both ends of the floor and fell to the Toronto Raptors, 118-107, Saturday night at Air Canada Centre.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ lack of intensity on defense is troubling
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 8:13:56 PM)

    There are ominous signs that Knicks may fail to meet their own high expectations.

  • [NY Newsday] The day after: Does ref have it out for Knicks’ Carmelo Anthony?
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:31:00 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony doesn’t believe he said anything to deserve being ejected from Friday night’s game in Boston, but stopped just short of saying official Tony Brothers has it out for him.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks fall to DeRozan, Raptors, 118-107
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:28:21 PM)

    The Knicks lost to the Raptors 118-107 Saturday in Toronto.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony says ‘something going on’ with ref who ejected him
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:32:15 PM)

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose proves loyalty to Anthony amid frustrating loss to Celtics
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 1:37:04 PM)

    As Carmelo Anthony was tossed Friday night, Derrick Rose observed and attempted to come to his aid.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks unravel in Boston, show shocking lack of toughness
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:13:24 AM)

    Lost in the poorly officiated 115-87 loss in Boston last night was the fact that the Knicks were alarmingly bullied from the start.

  • [NYPost] Carmelo pulls different kind of disappearing act as Knicks fade
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 5:09:27 PM)

    TORONTO — Carmelo Anthony stayed around for the end this time — and that didn’t turn out to be a good thing. After blasting Toronto, with 29 points midway through the third quarter, Anthony, who had been ejected Friday in Boston, was almost shut out in the final stanza as the Raptors sprinted away down…

  • [NYPost] Baffled Carmelo backs wife: Ref has something against me
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 1:43:24 PM)

    TORONTO — Carmelo Anthony said he doesn’t believe he deserved any technical fouls Friday in Boston “for a couple of bad words’’ and the Knicks star alleged “something going on’’ between him and referee Tony Brothers. “I always feel it’s something,’’ Anthony said Saturday regarding Brothers. “I didn’t think [Friday] night it called for a…

  • [NYPost] This is Carmelo Anthony’s leadership at its worst
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 8:59:59 AM)

    TORONTO — There’s never a dull moment covering a magnetic basketball personality like Carmelo Anthony. On Friday morning, Anthony, who has turned into a social activist for civil rights, opined about President-elect Donald Trump, saying the country is “dazed’’ and his victory “surreal.’’ At night, at TD Garden, the Knicks-Celtics game turned surreal when Carmelo Anthony…

  • [NYTimes] Raptors 118, Knicks 107: Knicks Fall to Raptors and DeMar DeRozan, the N.B.A.’s Leading Scorer
    (Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:00:16 AM)

    DeRozan scored 33 points, the eighth time in nine games this season he has recorded at least 30.

  • [NYTimes] Australia Emerges as the New Front in the College Recruiting Wars
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:35:13 PM)

    Terrance Ferguson is spending a year — and earning a paycheck — overseas after picking the Adelaide 36ers over the Arizona Wildcats.

  • [ESPN] Melo: ‘Always feel it’s something’ with referee
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 8:37:22 PM)

    Melo: ‘Always feel it’s something’ with referee

  • [NYDN] Defense continues to be invisible as Knicks lose to Raptors
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 8:10:08 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony came out inspired before disappearing in the fourth quarter.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony vows to keep quiet around Tony Brothers
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:53:32 PM)

    After La La Anthony took to Twitter to defend her husband and question the motives of a referee, Carmelo vowed to stay silent.

  • [NYDN] La La Anthony still fuming over Carmelo’s ejection
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:30:36 PM)

    La La Anthony is defending her husband and questioning the motives of referee Tony Brothers.

  • 56 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.11.13)”

    If we can string together a few wins here and there, we can definitely keep pace with the Nets.

    I was preparing for the worst this season but even I would be shell-shocked by the Nets finishing with a better record

    The game seemed there to take last night, but the STARTERS did not get it done late.

    Breen and Walt showed several times last night (Lee, KP) how the Knicks pick up fouls by undercutting guys, getting whistled, and then complaining. The other problem is guards blowing by our guards. Several times last night Rose got burned. On at least a couple of occasions he reminded me of Calderon by, when he gets beaten, giving up and just standing around, effectively turning the play into a 5 on 4.

    Hernangomez and OQ look to both be on short leashes. Whenever one is in and makes a mistake, he gets yanked pretty fast. Last night OQ took advantage of that with some nice play, though he did make a couple of bone-headed decisions as usual.

    Porzingis is scoring more efficiently this season but the rest of his game has really dropped off. He only has 7.4 rebounds per 36 minutes, which is pretty alarming. He was also supposed to have been one of the anchors of what was going to be a good defense, and instead he’s one of the main culprits in what is the NBA’s worst defense. The improved scoring is nice, but is being a Knick turning Porzingis into a stereotypically Knicksy player? All pointz, not much else?

    Mavs game is big. 4-6 is not bad with the schedule we’ve faced.

    I think our defense at the PG position is worse than it was last season.

    i wouldn’t worry so much about KP… the defensive stats are off a smidge but he has a good baseline set from last year… he’s a good stretch away from recovering to those rates… about half of his opponents had forced him to guard out on the perimeter so i do think it’s an aberration…

    the overall team defense has been obviously very poor also…. and i’m not sure if rambis is the right guy to correct this…

    If you looked at the schedule before the season started and are disappointed in our record so far what games did you think we’d win? Maybe Houston at home?

    How do we know Rambis can’t coach the defense?

    He was in charge of the Lakers championship defense and supposedly the 18th ranked defense last year.

    It’d be nice to beat the Mavs just to avoid the drama of what would happen if they lost.

    I think it’s more the manner in which we’ve been losing and the way some of our players look that’s given some posters cause of concern.

    I’m just worried about KP, don’t give much of a shit about anything else.

    If you looked at the schedule before the season started and are disappointed in our record so far what games did you think we’d win? Maybe Houston at home?

    This is true, but also part of the problem. Given the amount of assets and money we devoted to this season I would’ve hoped we would be expected to win more of those games. I’ll put it this way; if the only things I knew were that we traded Lopez, Grant, and Calderon for someone, we signed two mystery players to a 4/$72m deal and a 4/$52m deal, and we filled out the rest of the roster with $5m or less players, I would’ve thought we should be a pretty damn good team with a chance in every game we’ve played so far except the Cavs game.

    Are we playing at too fast of a pace for our personnel? 3 of our starters are over 30 yrs old and one has bad knees. Could this be part of the reason that we’re scoring but not always winning?

    I, for one, am not disappointed or shocked by the team’s play so far. It’s what I expected given the talent assembled for this season.

    We can’t really watch Thomas and O’quinn (just two examples) play like scrubs and be upset they are playing the way they played before they were Knicks. Same applies to Vujacic, Rose, Lee, Melo, Ndour, Hernangomez, Holiday, etc.

    Even Porzingis is being compared to Porzingis the great player that never existed. Porzingis is a developing young talent that needs time to improve and may or may not turn out to be a superstar. He is not supposed to be Phil Jackson’s savior after one season in the NBA.

    Realistic expectations are in order. The team is what we see. There will be better days; just don’t expect more than 35 or so for the rest of this season. That’s what out talent yields.

    O’Quinn is having his most productive year and is playing above league average ball. He’s not a scrub.

    Lance however…

    Justin Holiday stinks. If there is something that guy is good at, I am completely unaware of it.

    Holiday has perfected the Lance Thomas art of looking really active on defense, which hides the fact that he doesn’t actually defend well. And holy shit, that guy shoots the ball as soon it touches his fingertips – and he doesn’t shoot well!

    I’d like to see more Ndour than either Thomas or Holliday

    Theo you don’t get to do my bit about being realistic that I stole from Joe Abercrombie.

    The Mavs look awful, so the Knicks probably win that game and 4-6 doesn’t look awful, but the “problem” is one I wrote about in the last game thread. They’re going to play better than 3-6, but if they’re a .500 basketball team then that is my worst nightmare for this team. And that’s the most likely scenario for this team!

    A .500 team with a good base of young players and a Porzingod is a nightmare? Plus draft picks?

    Don’t worry, Brian, guys haven’t started getting hurt yet.

    Ha! True. There’s always that.

    i don’t think there’s any chance we are a .500 team…. rose is going to be an anchor on the team.. and not in a good way… and there are major minutes going to some really really bad players….

    with the way things stand now… i’d be shocked if we got 37 wins…. i think we might have a slight improvement from last year’s win total but that’s it…

    I shouldn’t have said .500. I meant more “around .500.” You know, just good enough to not make the playoffs or, if everything breaks right, just good enough to hit .500 and maybe snatch the #8 seed in a down year for a conference. That’s what this team looks like. And doing that with mostly veterans (signed to long term deals, to boot!) is just basketball hell.

    “Good base of young players.”

    There’s one young player on the team who is a bona fide, no-brainer NBA starter. There’s another (Willy) who has a decent chance stick to as a rotation player. Then there’s a third guy (Baker) who is a generic back of roster guy who will probably be out of the league in a year or two a la Travis Wear.

    And that’s the sum total of the “good base of young players.”

    Theo you don’t get to do my bit about being realistic that I stole from Joe Abercrombie.

    Heartfelt apologies, DRed, for stealing a bit of your reality. Won’t happen again. 😉

    Having Noah is kind of a needless luxury for this team, like getting a sick set of rims for your Toyota Corolla or something. He can’t make the defense good all by himself, and he is not a huge impact player on offense even with his ability as a passer, so his talents are kind of wasted here. He looks pretty good physically but it does not seem like he is making a huge impact.

    A lot of the optimist camp did not understand that criticism of the offseason didn’t boil down to “Phil Jackson put together a team that will totally suck this year.” It was far worse than that. It seems like he got panicky about the fact that he hasn’t put together a playoff team yet and decided to go all out for it this year, long term consequences/any semblance of direction be damned. There is no way to construe the long term flexibility we sacrificed this offseason as worth it unless we win ~48 games and/or a playoff series (even then it’s still highly questionable, but would constitute an entertaining enough season that I wouldn’t complain too much).

    The one potential saving grace is Jackson did appear to recognize in 2014-2015 that wins start to work against you when it becomes clear you’re not in the playoff hunt. Maybe he can trade Noah and/or Lee, find a sucker for Rose, tell Melo we aren’t looking to complete anymore and see what happens, etc. But I doubt it.

    We could also try to get the guy on the 9-1 team that’s currently the #1 seed in the West to come here. Lol.

    If we were actually judging them on the first nine games, then I’d be happy, as they’d be a bad enough team to get a good pick (last place in their division, behind the Nets in the standings!). We’re not. They will be better than this. But that just goes right into thenoblefacehumper’s point.

    Rose and Lance Thomas are good bets to underperform compared to their contracts. Porzingis will certainly outperform his contract. Everybody else will probably play more or less to the value of their contracts if they stay healthy.

    That is a perfect recipe for a 38 win team.

    They haven’t played 10 games yet and guys are posting like the outcome is a forgone conclusion. Give me a break! The coach is still working on rotations, the starters are still learning to play together. I’m only concerned about the defense the team is (not) playing. There has to be greater intensity on that end of the court. Melo has been really shitty on that end for the most part so far. I could easily see a scenario wherein Noah just hates Anthony by the end of the season. KP also has to get his head out of his ass on that end and stop with the senseless fouls.

    Speaking of Noah, love watching this guy play. He could have played for the 90s Knicks.

    It’s to early to write these guys off. I still anticipate that they will play better than they’ve shown so far.

    It’s to early to write these guys off. I still anticipate that they will play better than they’ve shown so far.

    That’s. The. Problem.

    So far they’re 3-6. That’s a 27-win pace. So yeah, they’ll play better than that probably. They’re probably more like a slightly sub-.500 team.

    Which is pretty much the worst case scenario. #Knicks

    The Knicks have played one team that had been pegged to finish under .500. We have no idea what the team is yet. The next 3 games will be a good test of that

    It’s not the record. It’s more the way they’re losing. We’re 26th in SRS. Our expected record by Pythagorean Wins is 2-7. We just happened to have some better games against beatable teams.

    While I don’t expect the Knicks to continue to be this bad as long as they stay healthy, losing any one Lee, Noah, Melo or KP would be devastating for this team given how thin the bench is. Hell, even losing Rose or Jennings would be pretty problematic given that our 3rd PG is Vujacic. If you took the minus sign out of Vujacic’s WS/48, he’d have the best WS/48 of any Knick since Kenny Sears in 1959.

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    Justin Holiday stinks. If there is something that guy is good at, I am completely unaware of it.

    He’s good at having long limbs.

    It’s not the record. It’s more the way they’re losing

    Doesn’t that go to what I said? They are playing all good teams while they are tryna figure it out on the fly. I think Rose missing the pre season put a yuge damper on the time to come together as a unit

    Randle played solid in his first DLeague game today. He’s good insurance for Rose/Jennings (according to some here he’d probably be an upgrade).

    If Noah goes down then maybe KP unleashes his potential at the 5. I’d feel comfortable with KOQ/Willy backing him up in that scenario.

    I’d only feel real worried if Melo/Kris or Lee go down.

    yo can I get a Chris Paul or Russ Westbrook right now they are really good at basketballing

    I don’t get why folks are so down on Rose. Considering that he’s still coming back from major injuries, missed practically all of preseason and is pretty much trying to find his place in the offense- I think he’s doing pretty well. Sooner or later those shots are gonna fall and those fouls are get called. Guys, when was the last time we had ANYBODY that could attack the rim at will? I’m not saying this to say that I expect him to be an all star, but he is the only person on the team right now that consistently gets in the lane. Everyone else shoots jumpers all game..except Noah & Willy. That’s gotta be worth something once the chemistry comes. I hope..shit, I really don’t want to be wrong about the impact I think Rose can have with this roster.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is, I can live with what he’s doing right now. But in another couple of weeks I expect improvement

    1) Between N’Dour, Porzingis, Hernangomez, and Ron Baker, the Knicks have four young and useful players. Plumlee sucks and Kuz is in his athletic prime so they don’t count.

    2) The Knicks with a guy like Porzingis are on the right track no matter what happens this season (as long as Porzingis doesn’t have an issue in his development). Hernangomez also looks like a player so if we can draft a guy like De’Aaron Fox, Terrence Ferguson, or Monte Ball next June we’ll have a good stew going.

    3) Part of me wants the Knicks to blow the team up and trade Melo and Phil Jackson to the Lakers for whatever youth they will give us or whoever the highest bidder would be. The other part of me is intrigued by what Rose, Melo, and KP can do together and figures we won’t win a chip until Porzingis is in final form anyway.

    4) Derrick Rose plays for the New York Knicks and we traded Robin Lopez, Jose Calderon, and Jerian “DNP-CD” Grant for him. Get over it.

    @reub — If your loyalty is to the team over the players and front office, then you would feel compelled to defend the team by critiquing the mistakes the FO makes and the flaws in the roster. If your loyalty is to the players and front office, then you will support them even if the players and the choices the front office makes aren’t in the best interest of the team. You seem to fit a lot more into the latter category, which is no better or worse way of rooting than my way IMHO.

    Markelle Fultz scored 30 points on 17 FGA, and also had 7 rebounds and 6 assists, and the craptastic Washington Huskies team he plays on still lost at home to Yale. YALE.

    Kevin, he might be a useful 2 guard, he’s just not a guy who is going to get the team offense going.

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