Knicks Morning News (2016.11.12)

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ Carmelo Anthony ejected in 2nd quarter in loss to Celtics
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:15:01 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony was off to a hot start, but he needed to cool down in the second quarter and was sent to the showers.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks working to improve Kristaps Porzingis’ defense
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 9:20:29 PM)

    The Knicks are trying to get Kristaps Porzingis to slap at the ball less and bend his knees and move his feet more to avoid picking up fouls and become more of a defensive presence. They want him to use his height and length to his advantage.

  • [NY Newsday] Willy Hernangomez: I won’t help opponents up again
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 9:19:37 PM)

    BOSTON — Willy Hernangomez got the message loud and clear: Don’t help up opposing players.

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony still hasn’t come to terms with Donald Trump’s election
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 9:09:00 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony still hasn’t come to terms with Donald Trump being elected President of the United States.

  • [SNY Knicks] Thomas, Celtics crush Knicks in Boston, 115-87
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 10:16:58 PM)

    The Celtics beat the Knicks on Friday night, 115-87.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis, Jennings have formed a surprising duo
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 8:33:15 AM)

    Kristaps Porzingis has formed an unlikely chemistry with point guard Brandon Jennings so far this season.

  • [NYPost] Why a frustrated Joakim Noah won’t blame the refs
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 10:20:59 PM)

    BOSTON — Joakim Noah didn’t want to hear about six technical fouls and two Knicks ejections. He said he thought the Knicks laid an egg even with all their fireworks and hot tempers that led to the second-quarter tossing of Carmelo Anthony in a 115-87 loss to the Celtics. The Knicks started in a bad…

  • [NYPost] Knicks, Carmelo Anthony lose cool in ugly loss to Celtics
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 5:34:10 PM)

    Oh, Brothers! Carmelo Anthony was ejected in the second quarter of Friday’s game against the Celtics by referee Tony Brothers for arguing a foul call. Brandon Jennings was booted in the fourth quarter. The Knicks suffered a complete meltdown with six technicals total and got routed by the Celtics, 115-87, in a TD Garden nightmare….

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony trails ref he’s berating until he gets tossed
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 3:50:41 PM)

    BOSTON — Carmelo Anthony was ejected in the second quarter of Friday’s game against the Celtics for arguing a foul call. It was his ninth career ejection and first since the 2012-13 season, vs. the Bulls. Anthony got booted with 4:44 left in the half for picking up consecutive technical fouls with the Knicks trailing Boston,…

  • [NYPost] Is Kristaps Porzingis’ height his glaring defensive flaw?
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 9:57:09 AM)

    BOSTON — Through seven games entering Friday’s game against the Celtics, Kristaps Porzingis’ offensive numbers are All-Star caliber — 19.1 points per game, 6.7 rebounds, 48.9 percent shooting and 44.7 percent from 3-point range. After his ugly back-to-back set last week, when he was benched in the fourth quarter at Detroit and posted zero field…

  • [ESPN] Does referee Tony Brothers have an issue with Carmelo Anthony?
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 1:45:33 AM)

    Does referee Tony Brothers have an issue with Carmelo Anthony?

  • [ESPN] Getting shots for Kristaps Porzingis a priority for Brandon Jennings
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 12:15:47 PM)

    Getting shots for Kristaps Porzingis a priority for Brandon Jennings

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: Hornacek insists Jackson didn’t force Rambis on him
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 6:08:22 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: Hornacek insists Jackson didn’t force Rambis on him

  • [NYDN] Anthony, Jennings tossed as Knicks get blown out by Celtics
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 7:38:14 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony wouldn’t let it go, so apparently referee Tony Brothers felt he had to go.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony still shocked Trump won election
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 7:07:55 PM)

    Days later, Carmelo Anthony still is coming to grips with Donald Trump’s election as president of the United States.

  • [NYDN] Anthony ejected from Knicks game for first time since 2012
    (Friday, November 11, 2016 3:56:39 PM)

    Anthony scored 12 points in the first quarter.

  • [NYTimes] Emboldened N.B.A. Coaches Rip Donald J. Trump’s Rhetoric
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 5:44:39 AM)

    Gregg Popovich, Stan Van Gundy and Steve Kerr have openly criticized Mr. Trump since he won the presidential election.

  • [NYTimes] Sports of The Times: Phil Jackson’s Role for a Night: Film Critic
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 2:17:14 AM)

    The president of the Knicks said that “Chinatown,” “Hoosiers,” “Rear Window” and “The Searchers” were his four favorite films.

  • [NYTimes] Celtics 115, Knicks 87: Carmelo Anthony Is Tossed, and So Are the Knicks
    (Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:51:30 AM)

    Anthony was ejected from the game after arguing a call in the second quarter, and the Knicks’ hopes of winning the game soon followed.

  • 43 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.11.12)”

    What an ugly game. The officiating was..uneven, and the team completely fell apart without Melo. I was looking for Rose & KP to step up, but by the looks of last night, we have a looooong way to go. Clearly some of the C’s are playing above their heads (I’m talking to you Avery Bradley), ans Isaiah Thomas is alot better than folks give him credit for. But, I thought that without Horfotd, that we would match up pretty good with Boston. Last night was *Yeezy voice* bad- real bad- Michael Jackson

    In the light of the new day I feel the Knicks were knocked if their game by the refs. I watched Celtics steals that looked more like assault and no calls. Meanwhile the Knicks got called for touch fouls.
    Refs can easily turn a game.
    You can’t tell me one team took 49 foul shots and the other took 17 and call that fair.
    Should be an investigation.
    This is a game you forget. It reflected nothing about the team.

    Right! When I got fed up and switched to The Exorcist on FOX, we shot better overall(even though they had us on 3’s made and attempted), had more boards, assists, and blocks. Those things typically lead to a dominant performance.

    But you know what? Just like a lot of closed minded and under-informed people blamed everything on Obama lol..I’m gonna blame everything on Trump. We lost the game because Trump lol..gotta laugh to keep from crying!

    In all seriousness, if there was ever a game to be determined by mostly officiating from start to finish- it was this one.

    *Yeezy voice* bad- real bad- Michael Jackson

    “Got a light skinned friend look like Michael Jackson, got a dark skin friend look like Michael Jackson”

    LOL cracks me up every time

    I think Mike K was right. No playoffs this year. Gotta eat my poo early. I thought we were improved but was looking at us in a vacuum. Drose gets to the hoop but CANNOT finish. He either misses or coughs it up. What a frustrating and weird player. Brandon Jennings has no chance of making an outside shot. Obviously coach told him not to shoot and without that threat he’s not helping. Melo is not good enough to carry us. Every shot is contested. He’s quick and he makes them but his efficiency wanes as the game goes on. I don’t think it gets better 20 games in as we get cohesive though maybe our HORRIFIC defense could improve. Nowhere to go but up I guess.

    We do have some nice pieces. KP, Kuz, WHG, Noah, CLee. Melo needs to waive the NTC and we need expiring contracts and a late 1st rounder (he’ll go to a playoff team so it won’t be a lottery pick most likely). Rose needs to go. Jennings needs to go. This core, plus a couple of high picks, plus some prudent FA choices and we actually could return to relevance next year. Until then, more nights than not we’ll be on the losing end.

    We were completely robbed by the referees. Just what kind of a league is this where this stuff can happen? Are we allowed to sue?

    @5. Lol. Tear it down! We lost a game that was the epitome of a poorly reffed game. Good teams keep their composure, but it is still just 8 games into the season. Last night means nothing.

    Though tonight will be revealing. I expect a bounce back game. Anything less will be disappointing.

    The Knicks take a lot of jump shots, and they lack guards who can prevent penetration, so free throw discrepancy is probably going to be an ongoing problem for the team. They’re 25th in offensive FT/FGA and 26th in defensive FT/FGA, and 29th in free throw discrepancy. This has been a consistent feature of the Phil Jackson Knicks. They were 22nd in free throw discrepancy last year and 30th the year before that.

    I didn’t get to see much of last night’s game but there’s universal agreement the Knicks got screwed by the refs. Fair enough. But free throw discrepancy does not look like a problem that is going to go away based on our personnel.

    I’m not sure I’ve ever heard Mike Breen so critical of the refs, FWIW.

    But, from the get-go, Rose was horrible. OTOH, Hernangomez looked very good for a 2nd straight game.

    I don’t normally like to call out refs but that was atrocious.

    Drose…… twenty games

    Disappointed in the showing last night.

    that melo ejection seemed crazy. worse was having to watch it through the celtics feed on League Pass, where Heinsohn and Gorman thought it was a perfectly natural development and seemed surprised that Melo didn’t get deported to Mexico on the spot. notwithstanding that bullshit, the Knicks guards are a huge defensive problem. Rose and Lee are overplaying their guys and constantly getting beat backdoor or getting left way behind trying to go over screens, which is leaving the defense scrambling. Jennings mistakes are less consistently described because he is a random number generator on defense. Zinger’s defensive energy seems to come in spurts this year whereas last year it seemed more consistent. Melo’s help defense is also a problem. Noah has been excellent but 23 minutes is 23 minutes.

    Didn’t get to catch the game, but Lonzo Ball guys, Lonzo Ball. Let’s abandon the 37 wins crusade. Bench all the good guys and play Rose a lot.

    Refs did miss a few calls, but the game was lost because our Knicks are performing up to their talent level: 37 wins.

    That means they will lose roughly 55% of the time. Or win almost every other game, if you are into positive spins.

    More or less on schedule so far: all players have a good game here and there, an occasional great game and mostly forgettable or just downright bad performances.

    That’s the way deeply flawed teams operate.

    We lost because the refs threw Melo out and gave the Celtics a hundred extra free throws. That’s the only reason we lost.

    Don’t say otherwise.

    Going 4-6 over the first 10 games would be fine by me considering our schedule and the team turnover. So just beat Dallas or Atlanta and we’re doing fine.

    Billy had 5 TOs last night, which is quite bad. He was also 4-13 from the field, which is also really bad. He was great on the boards, though. I’m fine with him getting minutes because you can see the potential, but he was pretty bad last night no matter how he looked. Noah was pretty solid last night, but most of the team played like shit.

    Many of Billy’s misses were on put back attempts while rebounding on the offensive glass. That’s why stats can be so meaningless.

    I’m pretty Ball is gonna shoot up draft boards unless UCLA really underperforms tho

    Ball is a lottery pick already. He’s one of the elite guards in the draft along with Dennis Smith, Markelle Fultz and the French guy Frank Nkilitina. Those four plus Josh Jackson and Harry Giles are the top prospects right now, but of course a lot will change as these guys get some run at the NCAA level.

    I’m just going off DX which has him slated at 14. If that’s accurate we have a decent shot at him–but I don’t think we will, barring a Melo trade.

    Lonzo Ball reminds me of a 6’6? Jason Kidd.

    I had the same thought when I saw his highlights. Ball probably has a better jump shot than Kidd but he’s also not as fast on the break. Kidd was faster than the wind at that age.

    Tony Brothers & co fucked what it could be a pretty exciting matchup last night.
    Box score is telling SHIT about the game.
    The truth is that the Knicks started slow but regained their composure pretty soon.
    Then they were fucked by the refs.
    They kept fighting.
    Fucked harder by the refs and then they lost their cool and the game was over.
    Last time i remember so shitty officiating it was against Leflop Heat on the 1st game of the 2012 playoffs.

    Lonzo Ball reminds me of a 6’6? Jason Kidd.

    For my money, J Kidd is one of the greatest bball players I’ve ever seen. I’d put him on my list with AI, Magic, Jordan, Dream, Shaq, TIMMAY!, KG, Stockton, LeBron, Bird,Kobe, Zeke, and Len Bias. I’ve never seen Lonzo ball (see what I did there?), but if he’s garnering comparison to Kidd- I like him already

    I’m not really seeing Kidd’s speed up the court from him. Still would want us to take him.

    reub, Porzingis punched the ball. That is a T every single time. The refs were bad, but the Ts in the second half were all deserved.

    It’s an interesting draft class but Lonzo and Markelle Fultz are the two guys I’m most excited to watch in college. Fultz is unreal off the pick and roll and has an elite first step, and unlike many prep guards he already has a highly developed jump shot. He’s on a pretty crummy Washington team that is not anywhere near the top 25, but he looks like a potential #1 overall pick to me.

    I’m firmly on the Lonzo Ball hype train!

    yeah, after a somewhat encouraging game against Brooklyn, this was a shitshow… terrible officiating, but the Knicks did very little to help themselves out there.

    we need to cut the cord on the D-Rose experiment, soon… he’s not looking like a real NBA talent against good defenses.

    The best case scenario would be if Melo waived his NTC and we got some decent assets back, bench or waive Rose and rest Noah so he can be 100% physically next season… the Knicks could build a really good team with KP, Courtney Lee, Noah and one of Ball / Fultz / Ntilikina and great bench depth with Hernangomez, Kuzminkas, O’Quinn, LT etc… if we get picks or a decent player back in the Melo trade, that would make a team that could compete for the playoffs in 1-2 years, before Noah gets to Theo Ratliff’s expiring contract level.

    but seeing as this is the Knicks we’re talking about, we’re probably trading every possible asset for Rudy Gay or some shit and getting 37 wins.

    Kidd is not an exact comp for Ball, but there are some definite similarities. He has Kidd’s innate feel for the game and his 3-D spatial awareness. He’s a box score stuffer like Kidd was. He might not quite have Kidd’s speed but Kidd’s jumper was very fugly early in his career and Ball can already shoot.

    @32 agree, Fultz honestly looks like a star in the making, he already has amazing shot selection (pretty much only threes or drives), is an elite athlete and could fill both guard positions… I might be overreacting, but he looks like a little Wade sometimes on the court.

    that’s why I’m in the Lonzo Ball train, because I think Fultz will actually be a top 3 pick and the Knicks have pretty much zero chance of getting a top 3 pick.

    I’m not saying he’s going to be anywhere near as GOOD as Jordan, because nobody is, but Fultz does look reminiscent of him at times.

    @36 yeah, I’m trying not to get too hyped about him, but he looks amazing.

    this is a great chance for the Knicks as a franchise, there’s at least 7 really good prospects that would fit amazingly well alongside Porzingis (Smith, Ball, Ntilikina, Fultz, Tatum, Jackson and Isaac)… hell, even De’Aaron Fox and KP’s compatriot Rodions Kurucs could end up becoming great players.

    at least Phil apparently isn’t willing to part with the 2018 pick, which is a good sign that he might not be going all-in on this group of players.

    I really like the Knicks’ chances tonight, because they’re such a weird team. Get demolished by the struggling Celtics and then beat the rather good Raptors.

    Brian, it only happens when you don’t think it or say it. Consider that prospect now jinxed, LOL.

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