Knicks Morning News (2016.09.30)

  • [NYDN] Derrick Rose still a square when it comes to Knicks’ triangle
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:51:06 PM)

    Derrick Rose’s triangle immersion is going to require some time.

  • [NYDN] Kristaps Porzingis won’t be holding back 3-pointers for Knicks
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:39:43 PM)

    Given the green light by Phil Jackson, Kristaps Porzingis is heading into the season unafraid of releasing a pull-up 3-pointer.

  • [NYDN] ‘Fed up’ judge in Derrick Rose rape case orders end to bickering
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:19:28 AM)

    The federal judge overseeing Knicks guard Derrick Rose’s upcoming trial on rape allegations ordered a timeout on all the public sniping.

  • [SNY Knicks] Judge issues temporary gag order in Rose case
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 3:35:42 PM)

    A judge on Thursday ordered lawyers handling the lawsuit against Derrick Rose to temporarily stop talking to reporters.

  • [SNY Knicks] Hornacek says Knicks won’t hesitate to cut player on guaranteed deal
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 12:40:09 PM)

    Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek said the Knicks wouldn’t hesitate to cut a player who has a guaranteed contract if the situation calls for it.

  • [SNY Knicks] Reinsdorf’s “low blow” adds fuel to Noah’s burning fire of intensity
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:00:04 AM)

    Jerry Reinsdorf made a comment about Noah while addressing the media at his Hall of Fame induction earlier this month.

  • [NYTimes] Coach KG? Garnett Has Offers One Week After Retiring
    (Friday, September 30, 2016 7:03:35 AM)

    Just one week into his retirement from the NBA, Kevin Garnett has received offers to join the coaching ranks from the Cleveland Cavaliers and Los Angeles Clippers. Garnett, who ended his career last week after 21 seasons in the league, made an appearance at Clippers’ practise on Thursday and offered on-court instruction to the team that impressed head coach Doc Rivers.

  • [NYTimes] China’s Richest Man Serves Up Global Badminton Deal
    (Friday, September 30, 2016 5:27:27 AM)

    China’s Dalian Wanda Group, controlled by the country’s richest man Wang Jianlin, has signed an eight-year exclusive partnership with badminton’s international governing body, the latest high-level deal by Wanda to expand its global sports footprint.

  • [NYTimes] Seattle’s Breanna Stewart Wins WNBA Rookie of the Year Award
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 8:58:01 PM)

    Seattle’s Breanna Stewart is the WNBA rookie of the year.

  • [NYTimes] Coach Garnett? Cavs Coach Would Like Kevin Garnett on Staff
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 8:10:18 PM)

    Kevin Garnett never imagined himself coaching. Cleveland Cavaliers coach Tyronn Lue is making him consider it.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose shows his serious on-court attitude
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 7:35:00 PM)

    Derrick Rose takes every game seriously, and showed just how seriously at the end of Knicks practice on Thursday.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose says Knicks’ triangle is foreign, complicated
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 7:27:00 PM)

    Jeff Hornacek says he has the freedom to run the triangle offense the way he wants. But Knicks president Phil Jackson scolded the players when they didn’t run it the way he wants.

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: Kristaps Porzingis’ overall game improving
    (Friday, September 30, 2016 5:11:18 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: Kristaps Porzingis’ overall game improving

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ Derrick Rose getting used to ‘foreign’ triangle offense
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 6:30:41 PM)

    Knicks’ Derrick Rose getting used to ‘foreign’ triangle offense

  • [ESPN] Judge issues gag order in Rose rape lawsuit
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:27:10 PM)

    Judge issues gag order in Rose rape lawsuit

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis’ game has improved in two key areas
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:58:49 PM)

    It is fitting Kristaps Porzingis’ offensive growth entering his second NBA season is being unveiled at West Point’s Christl Arena, next door to Michie Stadium. On these hallowed grounds in the 1940s dawned the most prominent sports nickname of its time: “Mr. Inside/Mr. Outside” — an ode to Army’s legendary running backs “Doc” Blanchard and…

  • [NYPost] Knicks rookie with catchy nickname may be Carmelo’s backup
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 4:31:31 PM)

    WEST POINT — Knicks rookie small forward Mindaugas Kuzminskas has an intriguing nickname from his friends back in Lithuania. While Phil Jackson has branded him “Kuz,’’ his buddies have a niftier one. “It’s ‘Cheese,’ ’’ Kuzminskas told The Post after practice this week. “I’m smiling all the time almost. When you take a picture, you…

  • [NYPost] Judge affirms Rose rape accuser must reveal identity at trial
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 11:25:15 AM)

    A California judge Thursday affirmed his earlier ruling requiring the woman who has accused Knicks guard Derrick Rose of raping her in 2013 to use her real name during the civil trial that is set to start on Oct. 4. The 30-year-old woman, who is only identified as Jane Doe in the 2015 lawsuit, asked…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose sees Phil Jackson’s cranky side in rude triangle intro
    (Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:53:09 AM)

    WEST POINT — As a Chicago product, Derrick Rose admits to being in awe around Knicks president Phil Jackson. “He’s like a legend in Chicago,’’ Rose said. At Army’s Christl Arena on Thursday, Rose saw a little of the old, feisty Zen Master, the former coach who led the Bulls to six NBA titles in…

  • 38 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2016.09.30)”

    Two good happenings out of Knicks camp:

    1) Hornacek talking about increasing eFG this year, which presumably means fewer long 2’s and more 3’s

    2) Kristaps being given the green light to shoot 3’s as a trailer. And that his corner 3’s are “automatic” according to Hornacek.

    3) Knicks won’t be afraid to cut guys with guaranteed contracts. I’m looking at you Marshall Plumlee and Lou Amundson. I’d so much rather see Randle, Baker, and NDour make the team.

    4) Derrick Rose is struggling with the Triangle (shocker!) but says the Knicks are practicing a lot of PNR. Music to our ears.

    “The Knicks organization, I don’t think they’re afraid to cut a guy with a guaranteed contract if there’s another guy that’s better,” Hornacek said. “So these guys are competing every day and there may be one or two of these guys that can make it , so you’ll never know.”

    Lou Amundson, Marshall Plumlee, Maurice Ndour and Sasha Vujacic are all guaranteed on small deals for the Knicks.”

    Yes! More of this. Please Baker over Sasha. I don’t want “experience” or “intangible’s” or “leadership”. I don’t want “upside” either. I just want the best players to play.

    Hornacek also said the two and the five starting spots are up for grabs. I kind of thought the starting five was close to set, but he only cited Melo, KP and Rose as set starters.

    If Rose is struggling with the triangle, does it mean Hornacek is here to implement Jackson’s system, not his own?

    Hornacek seems to be here to implement some sort of hybrid triangle.

    I suppose it’s inevitable that Rose would be named the starter, but it’s silly to talk about competition and shit when you’re handing him the job.

    Thank you, reub. Even if they’re competing against an exciting young superstar like Tony Wroten?

    I don’t understand why reub is still here when he obviously should have defected to, to explain to the skeptics there how Tony Wroten is going to lead Memphis to the finals this year.

    I just don’t understand what set of consistent logical criteria leads to Rose being locked in as a starter and not Noah. If we’re handing things out based on past achievements than they’re both in. If it’s based on last year’s play then they should both fight for their spot. If it’s based on other options on the roster than Noah would have the leg up on Rose. Minor point since we all know they’ll both start but still it seems odd.

    To me it could mean that hes thinking about starting Melo at PF and Staps at C…..I think I could dig that.

    That gives Noah extreme flexibility depending on game situations

    Didn’t Noah have a bit of a hissy fit about being benched by Chicago last year?

    Yeah I don’t think Noah would take that kindly to coming off the bench, and as much as I like the Melo at the 4 and KP at the 5 combo in theory, this roster isn’t built for it at all. You need a lot of wing depth to play small a significant portion of the time, and the wing depth on this team is frankly terrible (we lack depth basically everywhere to be honest, but the wing is probably the worst). If you start with Rose-Lee-Lance-Melo-KP then your first wing off the bench is who? Kuz, Holiday or N’Dour? Don’t think that’s going to cut it at all. I think that lineup can be really good for us in some small doses this year but we can’t lean on it too heavily unless/until one of those guys actually shows they’re capable of playing real NBA minutes.

    Funny how nobody was criticizing the coaching, the system, or the GM when the Knicks were at .500 past the halfway mark last year with arguably the worst starting backcourt of any non-tank team in the league.

    Oh, wait, I forgot, Rose is way worse than Calderon, Lee is a low-usage non-impact minutes-eater, Jennings is a no-conscience chucker with a wooden leg, Noah is a washed-up corpse on an albatross contract, Holiday will make Jerian look like Magic Johnson, Lance is a one-hot streak wonder, we have a bench loaded with euroscrubs and D-leaguers, and Hornacek is an unwilling puppet. So yeah, we suck.

    You know it’s dark when the rallying cry of the optimists is “Have you forgotten that we were .500 at one random point last season?!?!?!?!”

    I’m not sure what kind of topsy-turvy world we’re living in where someone is arguing that being critical of the team when it does dumb stuff or performs poorly and being complimentary of them when they do good things or perform well is somehow strange.

    Hornacek specifically talked about competition for the 5 spot, and also about KP as an assured starter, so he’s not thinking of KP as a center. If you want to see the interview, it’s on Knick’ I agree that if Noah’s not assured starter, shy should Rose be, but that’s not what Hornacek said

    Ian Begley
    ESPN Staff Writer

    Jeff Hornacek said all the back-end-of-the-rotation guys have impressed thus far. He said this of rookie Willy Hernangomez: “Willy’s just a very knowledgeable player. He’s got a great feel for the game. He’s got great finishes. To me, he’s like that Marc Gasol type….So he’s got a bright future.”

    No, it’s that people criticize a system or a coach or a GM even though the team greatly overperformed expectations until Melo stepped on a ref’s foot with a team and a coach that were much worse on paper. And they did it playing beautiful, unselfish basketball…best I’ve seen from the Knicks in a long time, probably since the Amare but pre-Melo era.

    So all this nonsense about triangle v. no-triangle is just drivel.

    I mean Rose’s full comment also doesn’t sound like he’s particularly frustrated about having to run the Triangle.

    “It’s complicated a little bit right now because it’s new to us,” Rose said. “It’s foreign. But I think the more we work on it and the way the coaches are putting it into the offense, it’s a little bit easier.

    “It’s like 40 to 50 options on one side of the floor. It’s like giving you your space for creativity. It’s like if you’re doing it the right way, you could do everything you want, you could freelance, but you just got to know where you’re going.”

    Also went on to explain how it’s not just going to be Triangle all the time

    “At the end of the game or a game-winning shot or something like that, I don’t think it’s going to be the triangle,” Rose said. “Either me or Melo will have to create for someone to take the shot.

    “We’ve been running a lot of pick-and-roll. I feel that’s my game, pick-and-roll. Having two people on me, it creates and opens up space for everyone. We’re just trying to make things simple and make the easy offense.”

    Also his agent is B.J. Armstrong who was a big factor in facilitating the trade, getting Rose on board with the it and has been on the radio a couple of times this summer and talked about how he talked to Rose about the system and he was excited and getting prepared to play within it.

    Either way from the early training camp stuff it seems that they’re trying to get early offense and if that produces nothing they’ll use the Triangle in the halfcourt. They can run a bunch of the stuff that Hornacek ran in Phoenix out of the base Triangle set and can move the weak side pinch post player out to the weak side wing to recreate some of his other sets.

    Count me as someone who isn’t particularly worried about the triangle as long as we get good players. I am very worried about our inability to do the latter, though.

    “You know it’s dark when the rallying cry of the optimists is “Have you forgotten that we were .500 at one random point last season?!?!?!?!”

    Yeah, more than half a season (46 games) and the exact point where the star of the team missed a chunk of games and the coach got fired is “random.” Got it.

    Count me as someone who isn’t particularly worried about the triangle as long as we get good players. I am very worried about our inability to do the latter, though.

    Your concerns are justified, but we’ll have a much better idea on Tuesday. I like what we have in theory, but agree that there’s a bunch of 6 foot plus question marks on this team. Can’t wait to see them in action.

    Your concerns are justified, but we’ll have a much better idea on Tuesday.

    You mean the day Rose misses the 1st preseason game to go on trial? =)

    i really like the fact that Phil’s brought them up to the hudson home for wayward boys and girls the last couple of years – it’s hard to imagine the team not coming away with a greater appreciation of the importance of teamwork and individual sacrifice for the greater good of the group…

    totally understand and appreciate joakim’s misgiving’s about being there – the place definitely has a strong and sometimes somber vibe…i hope he decides to take some time to interact with the cadets – really great group of amazing young men and women…

    So, the Knicks’ Euro contingent is KP, Cheese K, and H-bomb?

    (The last one is my creation for Hernangomez).

    It’s complicated a little bit right now because it’s new to us,” Rose said. “It’s foreign. But I think the more we work on it and the way the coaches are putting it into the offense, it’s a little bit easier.

    Uh, who exactly is “us”? Not Melo, KP, Lance, Vujacic, KOQ, Lou. Didn’t Thibs play quite a bit of Triangle (about 33% of plays) when Rose and Noah were there? Did Thibs avoid the Triangle when Rose was on the court? Cue posts on “Triangle-like” versus Triangle in 3..2..1

    Damn,Ben Simmons fractured a foot bone

    Well the positive is that it wasn’t Embiid. Speaking of injury, am I the only nervous Nellie here on H’cek’s cryptic comment about the starting center still to be determined? If it’s not that he’s considering starting KP at the 5, what else could it really be except Noah is not quite right physically?

    How could he play small ball without putting KPMG at the 5?

    If he wants to use a true center that is not Noah, I think he has a choice of Hernangomez or O’Quinn or maybe Amundsen or Plumlee. Honestly, I can’t imagine any of them as starting centers, but O’Quinn at least has enough NBA experience and skills that Hornbeck might be thinking of him as a possibility. I have posted before that I think O’Quinn will be better this season than last, but I can’t imagine him being that much better. So I am mystified by the whole situation.

    And how many of you wanted to tank last year so the Knicks could draft him?

    Good thing we didn’t and instead have Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah, who never get injured

    Philly needs to fire their training staff or their scouting staff considering that all of Noel, Okafor, Embiid, and now Simmons are going to miss extended periods of time because of lower body injuries.

    I wonder to what extent a training staff is responsible for injuries. 33 pounds seems like extreme weight gain, but of course anyone playing basketball is in danger of rolling an ankle. That being said, it seems that athletes on certain teams seem to get more stable with age. Steph Curry is an example, also second act Grant Hill. I remember watching Zydrunis Ilgauskas in MIA at the tail end of his career and he looked like he had 5% body fat. Q Richardson was downright fat with NYK but also toughened way up when he got to Riley’s camp. These last two were at the end but seemed to be doing everything to prolong their careers and there looked like some serious science and discipline behind it.

    Maybe pitchers of Shirley Temples aren’t the best therapy…

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