2015-16 Game Thread: Knicks @ Celtics

You know what would be a fun win? The Knicks winning tonight in Boston against the Celtics, who are 3.5 games ahead of the Knicks for second place in the Atlantic Division (man, the East is so bunched up together – the Celtics are in the #8 spot in the Conference while being just 3 games back of the #1 seed – that’s insane).

The Celtics are a good team, winning with a particularly even scoring load (driven in large part by the fact that they really don’t have a go-to scorer, so everyone has to get involved). Hopefully the Knicks can clog them up a bit tonight.

It would be swell to see Porzingis have another good game. He’s been in a bit of a lull as of late.

The Knicks are 4-0 in their division so far this year, including one of their best wins of the season in a win in Toronto against the division-leading Raptors.

Let’s go Knicks!

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106 thoughts to “2015-16 Game Thread: Knicks @ Celtics”

  1. So, will Fisher wait until the starters are sweating profusely before pulling any of them out, or not?

    BTW, very exciting Jets win today!

  2. Anyone else notice Fisher’s suit game has taken a big step back this season? Not that it’s bad, but he’s not nearly as sharp as he was last year.

  3. what do yoy guys think of the3 way rumor that has ny giving rolo,o uinn, dwill and calderon for dwight howard and babbitt?

    im not a howard hater like the rest of nba fandom, i think his thirteen ppg and twelve rpg would be a great addition and in theory his game should open up kp right?

  4. thats what i love about kp even if he doesnt score a point he does so many other things that hes worth starting

  5. Why would we trade one guy who needs PnR to succeed for another guy who needs the PnR to succeed when we’re not running much PnR? I’ll pass.

  6. Dreadful shooting by both teams. This does seem like the the back end of the back to back for both teams.

  7. kahnzy dwight knows hes not an alpha anymore hell get ten a game on putbacks thanks to melos kobe assists, little known fact even in a down year dwight is top 5 in o rebounding

  8. kahnzy dwight knows hes not an alpha anymore hell get ten a game on putbacks thanks to melos kobe assists, little known fact even in a down year dwight is top 5 in o rebounding

    Forgive me if I’m not willing to just take your word on that. If we’re going to trade Lopez, I’d rather get back a guard who’s not on the wrong side of his prime.

    I mean, prime Howard? Sure, you do that deal in a heartbeat. But current Howard is pretty much guaranteed to miss a third of every season, plus I’m pretty much done with primadonnas.

  9. I’m getting the feeling that it’s just a matter of time before the Celtics blow it open. I hope I’m wrong.

  10. Celtics are running their offense through Jose Calderon the last few possessions … ;-) wink phucking wonk

  11. Dwight Howard has the maturity of a 9 year old and is NOT a team player – a big No Thank You to trading for that clown

  12. Jim Cleamons says the key is to “stay in front of” Thomas. Uh, no guard on the Knicks roster can do that, though.

  13. Keep focusing on Fish’s wardrobe and you might be able to overlook how good he has his team playing.

  14. Man, wasn’t it nice to think that we were actually a decent team for a while there in November? I miss those days. At least we’ll have our lottery pick next summer (2017). So we’ll be on our way out of the basement in like 3 more years.

    *sigh*

  15. They have Porzingis, though, so they’re doing well for the future. It just won’t always look good in the here and the now.

  16. Jim Cleamons says the key is to “stay in front of” Thomas. Uh, no guard on the Knicks roster can do that, though.

    Fisher’s fault, obviously.

  17. Who is the only Knick with a double double in this game? And 3 blocks too! Oh yeah, its that guy that someone on here thinks shouldn’t be playing. He wants to save him for 2017.

  18. I wonder how much Crowder’s hair weights? It’s gotta feel like getting hit in the face with a club when he does a spin move.

  19. If Crowder cuts his hair, he might gain an inch or two on his vertical.

    Seems like Olynyk has 20 fouls tonight.

  20. Who is the only Knick with a double double in this game? And 3 blocks too! Oh yeah, its that guy that someone on here thinks shouldn’t be playing.

    For a guy that gets his knickers in a twist when he thinks he’s being mischaracterized, you are certainly taking what I’m saying in a twisted fashion. I’m all for playing KP, and getting him some much needed experience. All I’m saying is the guy isn’t the savior we want him to be yet, and that that is just fine. And if you think 12 points on 10 shots is something to write home about, I’m sorry to inform you that that is rather pedestrian. I do like the boards and blocks though (even if blocks are a fairly overrated statistic), and especially the way he blocks it like Clyde often notes.

  21. Kahnzy, blocks can be overrated, but KP does challenge lots of shots and changes many others. I think his rim protecting is legit.

  22. When Lopez and KP are both on the bench, the Knicks interior defense vanishes. Not saying that as a criticism, just an observation.

  23. Kahnzy, blocks can be overrated, but KP does challenge lots of shots and changes many others. I think his rim protecting is legit.

    I won’t disagree with that.

    Kazney only looks at the boxscore.

    And Fisher’s wardrobe.

    He thinks this team is well coached.

    Goodness…do you understand what the word mediocre means? I’m pretty sure I’ve used that word a lot to describe Fisher. The difference between us is I’m going to blame the players first, Fisher second (because, you know, the players are the ones actually playing). You blame Fisher first and the players…like never. And hey, Fisher was looking pretty snazzy last year, nothing wrong with noticing that. I’m sorry that offends you.

  24. Kazney is fixated on Fisher’s wardrobe for some reason. And stats. And the year 2017….the Year of the Fish.

  25. Nice play by Derrick!

    It’s unbelievable that we don’t even have one guard playing well recently.

  26. Kazney is fixated on Fisher’s wardrobe for some reason. And stats. And the year 2017….the Year of the Fish.

    I give up. Reading comprehension clearly isn’t one of your strong points.

  27. Statistical Analysis. Humor. Knicks.

    I’m sorry if talking about stats bothers you…but if they do, you’re probably in the wrong place.

  28. kahnzy,

    its called logical inference, melo is a volume scorer, dwight is one of the best offensive rebounders in the game, RIGHT NOW. dont “take my word for it” blow the dust of your neurons and get some synapses firing, it can be done, even by a substandard troll.

    dwight is a perfect fit for this knicks team for a number of reasons.

    one: hes a guaranteed ten rpg, something the knicks sorely need.

    two: him plus kp in the paint provides elite rim protection.

    three: even off his prime he must be accounted for down low which leaves kp open to hit jumpers, ditto melo and afflalo.

    four: dwight is one of the better back to the basket bigs in the game offensively.

    next time you give a half assed dismissive retort to a legitimate post, make sure you know more about the game than them.

  29. Only chance Knicks had of stealing this game late was Melo and he hasnt taken a shot in the last 4 possessions which not coincidentally all ended in bricks by KP (twice), Gallo and Afflalo who both had wide ass open 3pters.

  30. its called logical inference, melo is a volume scorer, dwight is one of the best offensive rebounders in the game, RIGHT NOW. dont “take my word for it” blow the dust of your neurons and get some synapses firing, it can be done, even by a substandard troll.

    I’m sorry you think disagreeing with your statement that Howard would easily fit in is trolling. I disagree, try not to let it bother you so much.

  31. Unfortunately considering the schedule the next couple of weeks things will only be getting worse for the Knicks. Just hope they can win a game here and there and not totally collapse over this stretch.

  32. And now Anthony gets his two misses. Plenty of blame to go around.

    Indeed. This is not a good basketball team. Certainly better than last year, but far from really competing for a playoff spot.

  33. @68. Agreed. Still frustrating to watch a game like this. Got it to 5 and has several chances to get it to 2 or 3. No one stepped up in the 4th.

    My personal bug is AA. Other than when he gets to post up much shorter defenders, he seems to me below average in everything.

  34. Things that need to change:

    1. We need whatever it was that Afflalo was supposed to provide: perimeter defense and shooting.

    2. We need whatever it was that Galloway was supposed to provide: perimeter shooting and defense.

    3. We need a frigging point guard. It’s 2016, and every team worth a damn has a good-to-great PG. And those that are just “good,” are great defensively. Calderon’s 0/2. I don’t care how many fouls and bad shooting nights Galloway has, he needs to be out there over this 25 minute thing.

    4. We need actual plays that don’t start with a stupid triangle and O’Q/RoLo with the ball at the 3. Come on.

    5. I saw a couple great Melo/KP PNR’s, they just weren’t successful. But they were open. More of that!

  35. @68. Agreed. Still frustrating to watch a game like this. Got it to 5 and has several chances to get it to 2 or 3. No one stepped up in the 4th.

    My personal bug is AA. Other than when he gets to post up much shorter defenders, he seems to me below average in everything.

    Yeah, when AA has a chance to post up a lot he’s very efficient. He’s just a stopgap though, as I think he’ll opt out, but even if he doesn’t it’s only one more year. When was the last time the Knicks had really good guards? Seems like forever. Lin, maybe? Anyone else? In a league that’s getting smaller and smaller, and which has been dominated by guard play for the last several years, the Knicks have been woefully deficient in the backcourt.

  36. While Phil Jackson’s tenure has been far from ideal thus far, I do hold out hope that he’s not dumb enough to do that.

  37. DeMar DeRozan is essentially the more athletic version of Arron Afflalo. He’s a good corner three point shooter and a good post up guard. Only real difference is DeRozan is a transition threat and a better penetrator. You couldn’t tell from their numbers, but I could definitely see DeRozan in the triangle. Hopefully it doesn’t happen because, if it does, that means he got the money we were trying to give Durant or Whiteside.

  38. Gotta thank the Pats for electing to kick. They must have thought the offense was ran by Geno Smith or Mark Sanchez. Merry Fitzmas!

  39. As usual the only hope I have of watching a decent team for an entire season is the Yankees, even the mediocre version Ive watched the past 3 seasons. A “bad” Yankees team is still 1000X more enjoyable and successful than the Knicks and post Super Bowl 46 Giants.

    Congrats to the Jets, hopefully they don’t blow their playoff spot by losing next week….

  40. The day the schedule came out I said the Jets would miss the playoffs by losing to Rex’s Bills on the last day. It’s too Jetsy not to happen

  41. Well if the Steelers lose they are in regardless so its not all on them. They play at Cleveland though so you would think the Steelers would win but they lost today at Baltimore so who knows. Jets clearly have the tougher game though.

  42. The Jets just don’t seem like the SOJ this year, though. We have a quarterback this year. 29 TDs to 11 INTs and 60% completion rate. Everyone sucks until they get a QB. It just so happens that we have a loaded defense and really good skill position players. I’m just worried about special teams. They could lose a game for us in the most Jetsy manner ever. Quigley is horrible.

  43. Please God, give Grant Sasha’s minutes and most of Calderon’s point minutes. Calderon should be the back up 2 guard and the 3rd point. Galloway and Grant have to get more minutes to develop, especially Grant. He’s the only guy who can penetrate even a little bit and can move his feet better than Calderon. If Calderon doesn;’t shoot a lot he is useless.

    The Knicks losing and Melo putting up consistent numbers and minutes are an interesting potential nexus……

  44. Jimmer’s shooting, pentrating and passing might be an improvement for this backcourt although his defense will be meh.

  45. All of our guards combined provided us with 14 points and 7 assists total for the game so there’s some room for improvement.

  46. Well, we definitely aren’t a good basketball team. We have some talent (although almost all of it is in the frontcourt) and in a lucky year it wouldn’t be much of a stretch to compete for 8th in the East. I mean, if you had this identical record last year you would have easily been in the hunt, if I recall correctly.

    I already said a lot of times that I don’t like Fisher a lot as a head coach. I don’t like him especially because he is a really poor in game tactician, is a crapshoot at ATO playcalling and is increasingly demonstrating a proclivity for calling timeouts with 14 seconds on the clock juuuust as someone does something good. He’s certainly doing something about rotations, only it took him half a season to understand what he had to do but well, better late than never.

    But it just can’t be all Fish’s fault. We are a deeply flawed team with a glaring need at backcourt. We are a strangely inconsistent team in sending to and calling from the D-League (send there Grant and Early for a couple of weeks, come on, and call someone up to give him Sasha’s minutes).

    I’d be glad not to see Fish on our sidelines anymore (I honestly think his head coach experiment is 80% on its way to failure), but the truth is you can do only so much as a coach to cover your team’s weaknesses, and we have too many of them.

  47. This is a pretty lousy team, a bottom of the lottery team. There is no covering up of the glaring hole at the guard position. Galloway is barely an NBA rotation player. Calderon is one of the worst defenders in the NBA at any position. Sasha? Please. Afflalo is more of a competent backup than a solid starter.

    To complicate matters, the triangle is not a good offense for these guys. Opponents are figuring out that they can play Rolo or O’Quinn one-on-one and leave them uncovered from the outside (like Chandler, they are horribly unsuited for drawing double-teams in the post, a critical component of the triangle.

    30-35 wins is looking pretty realistic right now. We can still clean up on the bottom-feeders, but can’t beat any team with a solid backcourt unless we play perfectly or someone goes off. Alas, that’s what we were projected as, so it shouldn’t seem all that disappointing.

  48. To complicate matters, the triangle is not a good offense for these guys. Opponents are figuring out that they can play Rolo or O’Quinn one-on-one and leave them uncovered from the outside

    Pretty recently there was a sizable contingent of people on here arguing that our relative over performance rendered any talk of altering the offensive system stupid. Now that said over performance has largely faded, and our offense currently ranks 23rd, hopefully people (Knicks’ coaching staff included) will be more open to changes.

  49. I’m neutral towards the triangle. I think it has done a pretty good job of generating ball movement. One of the biggest issues with this team is that nobody can seem to finish when they’re near the hoop. We’re hitting just over 54% of our layups which is 22nd in the league and our usage for layups is 19.98% good for 27th in the league. We need to get both of those up if we’re going to become a better team. 58% on a 23% usage would probably have us at .500 right now. We’re doing a great job defending around the rim as well with opposing offenses hitting just 55% of their layups against us.

  50. I don’t have an opinion about the triangle except for the rings that PJ flashes. That being said, the glaring problem is (and has been from day-1) our guard play. Period. Guards that cannot guard are the problem.

  51. Oh, and…

    #91 – Thanks for the link. I’m desperately waiting for the day we can hand out 10-day contracts and invite Jimmer to the Garden.

    As for the Jets, I’m with them all the way. Great win yesterday. I bit off all of my nails in the 4th quarter.

  52. The Knicks are really only one or two guards away from being a very competitive team so hang in there guys!

    And for the stat lovers, Porzingod is ranked within the top ten players in the league right now for interior defense. Like I’ve said he’s always a major game changer for us!

  53. Wow, a lot of discussion on this thread about an NBA trade rumor reported by the veteran bball reporting team over at Movie News Guide.Com– everybody’s go-to source for breaking NBA news.

    (The writers there are so above and beyond other news sites that they have decided the comma is for losers like Woj and Beck. Here is their gem of an opening paragraph (er, sentence): “A possible trade scenario for the upcoming free agency this coming summer will once again involve Dwight Howard of the Houston Rockets but this time in a blockbuster three-way deal that will include the basketball organizations of the New Orleans Pelicans and New York Knicks”.)

  54. How would this lineup strike you?

    Howard
    Melo
    Porzingis
    Lawson
    Afflalo

    Bad. Lawson+Howard in New York is a recipe for disaster. That’s the sort of “just go for big name stars with little regard for anything else” move the old guard would have made, and we would have immediately regretted it. Let’s no longer make moves for has beens and guys with clear mental issues, please.

    I definitely agree that we need a big time upgrade at the point, but I don’t think the guy with the drinking problem is the solution. I also agree that Lopez is the proverbial square peg in the round hole (or is it round peg in a square hole?), but a guy on the wrong side of 30 with a lot of recent injury issues, as well as the ever present primadonna attitude, is also not the solution. If we’re to make a trade with Houston, for whatever reason, I’d much rather somehow swindle them out of Capella. Unfortunately Morey is too smart for that.

  55. I’ve concluded it’s going to be between difficult and impossible to get this where we want it until we change the coach and system. No matter who we bring in, you can expect their value to decline within this stem and with this coach.

  56. Howard
    Melo
    Porzingis
    Lawson
    Afflalo. beats

    Lopez
    Melo
    Porzingis
    Calderon
    Afflalo. every time.

    But I know that you like to be difficult.

    What did KP6FORR.O.Y call you again? Oh yes, a substandard troll. He might have been being kind.

  57. Don’t think there’s any possible world where you want to be agreeing with KP6ROY

    I think you’re the one with the poor attitude, reub–in this thread and elsewhere. I would be a bit more civil if you enjoy posting on this board.

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