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Monday, October 23, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.10.12)

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Traffic Cones and High-Fives: A Glimpse Behind the Warriors’ Curtain
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:00:23 AM)

    For three days, a college coach from Texas was allowed to watch the N.B.A. champions practice up close. Not everything was complicated, he learned.

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis not worried by MSG hosts’ comments nor sore hip
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:29:58 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis says his hip is on the mend and his psyche was never wounded.

  • [NYDN] Knicks boss Dolan severed ties from Weinstein 16 months ago
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:22:30 PM)

    The Knicks James Dolan and Milwaukee’s Marc Lasry, are navigating their way past one of the industry’s biggest scandal in decades.

  • [NYDN] Porzingis says he’ll be ready for Knicks’ season-opener
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:21:50 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis isn’t ready to commit to Friday’s final preseason game.

  • [NYDN] Knicks, Nets have NBA’s worst odds to win title this season
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:54:06 AM)

    It’s going to a be a long hoops season in New York, according to Vegas bookmakers.

  • [NYDN] Knicks announce signing of point guard Trey Burke
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:37:15 AM)

    The Knicks have signed Trey Burke, the team announced Wednesday morning, along with a photo of the point guard inking the contract.

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ ‘football player’ drawing comparisons to Iman Shumpert
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:45:51 PM)

    Knicks rookie shooting guard Damyean Dotson wears the same “21,’’ has similar facial features, strong build and the same agent in Happy Walters. Oh, and one more trait. Dotson also plays defense like former Knicks first-round pick Iman Shumpert. Tim Hardaway Jr. has noticed the parallels. He played a season-and-a-half with Shumpert. “Dot, when you…

  • [NYPost] Porzingis doesn’t sound optimistic about his last tune-up
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:39:02 AM)

    The next time you see Kristaps Porzingis on the court, he may be shaking hands with mentor Carmelo Anthony at center court in Oklahoma City before tip-off. Whether Porzingis’ sore right hip allows him to play the preseason finale against Washington on Friday is still a mystery, but the Knicks’ 22-year-old franchise player vowed he’ll…

  • [NYPost] Knicks add Trey Burke to chaotic point-guard situation
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:15:32 AM)

    With Joakim Noah’s drug suspension for the first 12 games, the Knicks are granted an extra roster spot and likely will use it on a point guard. On Wednesday, the Knicks may have found one. They signed former Utah point guard Trey Burke to a non-guaranteed contract. He’s likely not here to solve their point-guard…

  • [ESPN] Knicks sign former lottery pick Trey Burke
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:43:50 AM)

    Knicks sign former lottery pick Trey Burke

  • [SNY Knicks] Damyean Dotson getting compared to former Knick Iman Shumpert
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:00:26 PM)

    Knicks rookie Damyean Dotson hasn’t been with the Knicks for long, but he’s drawing some high praise from his teammates.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis still uncertain on when he’ll return to action
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:54:05 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis (sore right hip) sat out for Wednesday’s practice and still has not committed to an exact return date, he told reporters.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks have worst odds to win 2018 NBA title
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:48:10 PM)

    The Knicks are set to have another bad season as Vegas odds have them as a longshot to win this year’s NBA title

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks impressed with Ntilikina’s work ethic off the court
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:00:37 PM)

    Knicks rookie PG Frank Ntilikina is impressing his new team even when he isn’t on the court.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks sign PG Trey Burke
    (Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:54:57 AM)

    The Knicks have announced they signed PG Trey Burke.

  • 66 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.10.12)

    1. Frank

      What a win by the Yankees last night, although that was a major choke job by the Indians — what’d they give up, like 9 unearned runs in a 5 games series? It’s like Cleveland sports used up all their karma with the Cavs coming back from 3-1 down.

      Interesting comp in those articles between Dotson and Shump — it really is true when you watch the way Dotson moves around the court. Body type, athleticism – really similar between the two. Dotson even has Shump’s old number. Hopefully Dotson can actually shoot.

    2. KnickfaninNJ

      Even If Dotson can’t shoot and is the equivalent of Shump, that’s still a great result for where he was drafted.

    3. ess-dog

      To my eye, Dotson looks a lot sturdier than Shump, hence the football player reference. When you watched Shump run (back then) it looked like he was doomed to shatter, maybe because he was lighter.

      Interesting note: Canyon Berry’s measurements are filthy. He had the best no step vert in the 2017 class, and was at the top at most other guard-type speed/skill measurements. He even has basically the same wingspan as Donovan Mitchell. I guess he just wasn’t very good at basketball?

    4. swiftandabundant

      Yeah if we got a stronger Shump who can shoot that’s a damn good player to find in the second round.

      This is why we need more second round picks! We got 2 this year. We need more!

    5. DRed

      Shump was a different sort of player than Dotson, at least coming into the NBA. He was much more of a playmaker and had 3x the steals, but he couldn’t shoot nearly as well. Dotson did 2 things in college-he took jump shots (87% of his FG attempts last year were jumpers) and he got boards. He didn’t drive, he didn’t pass, he didn’t turn it over, he didn’t foul people, he doesn’t seem to have done much other than take jump shots and rebound.

    6. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Dotson is going to push Lee for minutes this season. I’m not saying that Dotson is better, because he’s not (Courtney Lee is a lot more talented than his reputation), but he’s younger, cheaper, and competent defensively. Dotson to me looks like one of those .200 WP48 players that deserves playing time from early in the season. If he can shoot threes and rebound, play him with Frank and Timmy. The Knicks need strong rebounding and floor spacing around KP.

    7. JK47

      The Knicks got pitiful rebounding from their guards and wings last year, so if Dotson can help out with the rebounding that’d be great.

    8. DRed

      The combo of good rebounding, good 3 point shooting and very low steals/assists is pretty rare in NBA history.

    9. DRed

      Dotson to me looks like one of those .200 WP48 players that deserves playing time from early in the season

      Let’s pump the brakes on this one. There were 17 players in the NBA last season who played more than 500 minutes and had a WP48 over .200

    10. lavor postell

      The good thing about his rebounding is that’s usually one of the most stable and translatable skills from college to the NBA. If his shooting carries over then he profiles as a very solid role playing wing.

    11. JK47

      The hype level around here about Dotson is completely insane. He’s already a starter, he’s already a .200 WP48 player, he’s already the long-term answer at SG…

      He’s had a couple of nice games in the preseason but let’s get real here.

    12. mase

      We need to roll with the best rotation possible to avoid demoralizing losses like the one in opening night is going to be.
      Hornavek needs to go with a rotation that maximizes rebounding and distribution and defense.

    13. kevin5318

      @11 He’s pretty unique in that sense especially for a guard. Seems like Jeremy Lamb who can actually shoot.

    14. JK47

      I don’t think there’s any way to rearrange the deck chairs of this roster to get a competent defense on the floor. There are too many crummy defensive players on the team. I’m just about certain this will be a bottom-5 defense.

    15. Frank

      Yeah we have generally bad defensive players, and have a coaching staff that hasn’t shown any ability to scheme well enough to cover that stuff up. I mean, Berman said in his article that Sessions has locked up the starting PG job. if our starting lineup is Sessions, THJ, McDermott, KP, and Kanter, that will be most hilarious defensive lineup in the league.

    16. mase

      Why so negative?

      There are players who can play defense, losing rose and melo is almost addition by subtraction… I have high hopes for frank if he ever gets on the floor.
      My point is that we probably won’t be good but we have more portential and that’s something to be hopeful about.

      Can doncic play defense ? Ha

    17. swiftandabundant

      It will be interesting to see how management reacts to Hornaceck this season. I don’t think they except the team to be any good but I still think Horns (and the rest of the coaching staff) is probably on the hot seat. Horns (and Rambis) are Phil leftovers. He’s had one decent NBA season as a head coach. If he doesn’t show a clear game plan and the young players don’t show improvement, I expect him to get fired at the end of the season.

    18. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      I think Shump had a little more “hop” in his step when we signed him, but all the injuries took their toll. I don’t think he’s the player now he could have been. Dotson may be the more complete prospect now and could (maybe even should) be the better player soon.

    19. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      What I meant is that he looks like that efficient Landry Fields/Ronnie Brewer type role player who does his job and has great per minute stats. I’m not saying he will be that, but that his combination of 3 point shooting and rebounding at his position is the exact type of statistical profile that looks great under WP48.

    20. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      @22 I agree. I’m hoping he can expand his offense a bit. We haven’t seen much, but I think he can put the ball on the floor a little more than he may have in college.

    21. 2FOR18, understands math

      I think Frank/Lee/Dotson/Oquinn/KP has a shot of being a decent defensive lineup with some competent coaching.

    22. Frank

      Best outcomes for this season would be:

      KP looking like a viable 1st option
      Frank showing some promise even if productivity not there yet (he’s only 19)
      Dotson showing he belongs in the rotation
      Kanter showing enough that perhaps he’s tradeable at the deadline
      Noah showing enough that he’s at least useful, if not a trade candidate.
      And most important –> We lose 60 games and pick one of Bagley, Porter, or Doncic.

    23. thenamestsam

      Dotson’s low steal rate is a bit of a red flag to me. It’s pretty hard for me to believe that someone is going to be a good NBA defender (especially right away which a lot of people on here seem to be projecting) if he wasn’t generating steals in a mediocre college conference. Obviously steals are not a particularly good measure of overall defense but if you do good defender things like have good positional awareness, good hands and good athleticism, you stay focused and make good rotations etc. you should get a decent number of steals in college. Count me as skeptical on him being more than just okay on defense.

    24. kevin5318

      On defense Dotson seems to navigate screens well(much better than Shump ever did), contests shots and doesn’t let guys by him easily. If he can do that + the rebounding and 38% 3pt shooting then we’ll have a pretty solid piece on our hands.

      The low steal numbers really are perplexing tho. He seems to have no problem pressuring but never really reaches for the ball.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UQatGiXBGw

    25. DRed

      Dotson’s low steal rate is a bit of a red flag to me. It’s pretty hard for me to believe that someone is going to be a good NBA defender (especially right away which a lot of people on here seem to be projecting) if he wasn’t generating steals in a mediocre college conference. Obviously steals are not a particularly good measure of overall defense but if you do good defender things like have good positional awareness, good hands and good athleticism, you stay focused and make good rotations etc. you should get a decent number of steals in college. Count me as skeptical on him being more than just okay on defense.

      I agree with this. Steals is a good rough proxy for defensive awareness. Yes, having long arms and quick reflexes help, but look at how good Jason Kidd was at getting steals when he was old as dirt (his age 39 season would have put him first in steals on the Knicks last year). Good rebounding helps team defense though, so if he can shoot and play mediocre positional defense I think he could be a useful player

    26. er

      Mike Dantoni remains a moron with a gimmick. He plans to play Harden and Paul 18 mins a game together. Wow LOL

    27. er

      And this senile motherfucker had the nerve to take shots at others

      Phil was probably the worst thing to happen to the Knicks since the Larry Brown era

    28. ptmilo

      Mike Dantoni remains a moron with a gimmick. He plans to play Harden and Paul 18 mins a game together. Wow LOL

      seems okay

    29. MKinLA

      Go read that SI article if you want to be depressed about the NBA. Those are professional, full-time scouts evaluating players based on POINTZ and stressing the importance of the mid-range game. Unbelievable.

    30. Brian Cronin

      And most important –> We lose 60 games and pick one of Bagley, Porter, or Doncic.

      Especially important to lose a lot of games this year as it’ll be harder to lock in a top 4 pick (and, something like an 80% chance at a top 3 pick) after this season.

    31. Brian Cronin

      Holy Crap! A mass media article that doesn’t rip the Knicks, and, in fact, is optimistic! You have to scroll down quite a way to find the Atlantic Division comments:

      Tim Hardaway’s contract isn’t untradeable? Whoa, heady praise!

    32. Cock Jowles, #1 League-Average Superstar

      Go read that SI article if you want to be depressed about the NBA. Those are professional, full-time scouts evaluating players based on POINTZ and stressing the importance of the mid-range game. Unbelievable.

      yeah but think about how many combined years of experience they have jotting down notes about hustle and intensity and intrigue on their clipboard while you sit around staring at spreadsheets on websites like they actually mean something useful you fucking nerd

    33. er

      I think you “stat heads” are a bit too smug about the numbers. It should probably be a 70-30 or 80 20 split
      Between numbers and scouting. There are things that you just can’t record in stats that happen on the court. Activity, anticipation smarts…idk but they are there.

    34. Owen

      Dray is grating, though I kind of love him for reminding me of Mase. But I don’t think you can put the rest of the Warriors in the same bucket as him. They are a pretty likable bunch in my book playing a very attractive brand of ball.

    35. lavor postell

      Durant made alt Twitter accounts to anonymously defend himself against Internet trolls. Draymond is grating but KD is thoroughly unlikable and the king of corny.

      They’re gonna win it all running away though, again.

    36. ClashFan

      The more of these weird behavior articles that come out about Phil, the more I wonder if he’s in the early stages of Alzheimer’s. I’m not saying that to be funny as I’ve watched two family members drift off into this.

    37. Z-man

      GSWs are amazing. Steph Curry is the greatest shooter who ever lived. Maybe not the clutchest, but the greatest. I hope someone puts together a team that can put them on their heels, but if they are healthy, who can possibly beat them? Their 4th best player ran off 37 points in a quarter and it didn’t seem all that flukey. They have the quintessential finishing lineup for this era: 5 two-way stars who are all high-IQ players. Iggy is crazy underrated in that regard.

      I hate them but have to give them their due. Maybe they beat the 72-10 Bulls, maybe not, but I’d put them against any team ever. Now take away the 3-pet line and allow hand-checking and hard fouls and then it gets interesting.

    38. JK47

      So Ntilikina missed all of summer league and will end up having played in a whopping one preseason game, and KP is already banged up?

      Auspicious beginnings.

    39. Totes McGoats Makes 18mil For 14ppg

      Hornacek is failing mightily at being coy. 1st it was the D’Antoni beef..now it’s the starting Center. It’s so easy to figure out. Kanter is easily the best roll man out of the bigs and is the biggest threat on offense out of the Centers on the roster. While I think Willy can and will be as much of a threat, he has a broader skillset and isn’t as aggressive as Kanter yet. Putting him on the second unit can make for a dangerous 2nd team offense. Starting 5 is set and probably has been for a bit. Kanter/KP/McBuckets/TH2/Sessions with TH2 & Lee at the wings vs smaller teams. As good as Dotson has played, I don’t think Hornacek wants to give him a big role just yet, but he may have no choice soon as Dotson is essentially a bigger, younger, cheaper, and more aggressive version of Lee. A second unit of Willy/KOQ/Dotson/Lee/Ntilikina would be kinda nice to throw at teams and disrupt their offensive flow, but Beasley’s there and we may need his scoring on that unit

    40. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      I think you “stat heads” are a bit too smug about the numbers. It should probably be a 70-30 or 80 20 split Between numbers and scouting. There are things that you just can’t record in stats that happen on the court. Activity, anticipation smarts…idk but they are there.

      In every area of life I have ever observed carefully, intelligence and worth ethic in combination may be worth more than natural ability. Of course if you have all 3, you can become elite. But if you are very intelligent and work hard you will go very far even if you have only average ability. That’s why a guy like Nitti has so much upside. There may have been more talented athletes in the draft, but it’s already becoming apparent he’s bright and from all reports he’s a hard worker. Put that together with his length and he’ll figure out a way to become an excellent player and then work at it until he is.

      If I was in charge of a team I’d do 2 things before I even considered drafting someone.

      1. Give him an intelligence test designed specifically to measure areas of intelligence correlated with basketball learning and excellence.

      2. Reasearch his work ethic.

    41. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      Tim Hardaway’s contract isn’t untradeable? Whoa, heady praise!

      lmao

      Every contract is tradeable if you are willing to include enough picks.

    42. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      Mike Dantoni remains a moron with a gimmick. He plans to play Harden and Paul 18 mins a game together. Wow LOL

      I don’t know where that was reported or if it will actually happen. I suspect they’ll be together more than that. 25+/- minutes sounds more like it. Then you can have one of them running the point for around 10+/- minutes while the other is out and almost always have one of them on the court. But if it’s true, I’m sure he has discussed it with both players and Morey. Morey is no moron despite some moronic moves along the way.

    43. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      The more of these weird behavior articles that come out about Phil, the more I wonder if he’s in the early stages of Alzheimer’s.

      I think he’s always been a very bright but eccentric guy that probably smokes a lot of weed. Assuming I am right about that last point, when you get older, getting high puts you to sleep. I used to be able to drink all night and go to work the next morning. Now, 1-2 beers on a Friday night and I might fall asleep before Robert Randolph and Friday night Knicks.

    44. DRed

      Yeah you want to have one of them on the floor at all times, and you don’t want to play either one crazy minutes in the regular season. Add in a minute or two of garbage time and I figure it’ll probably be more like 20-22 minutes a game together. CP3 is relatively old and you probably aren’t catching the Warriors in the regular season, so don’t push it.

    45. ClashFan

      @51
      That might explain the sleeping during a workout, but not the weird behavior he was showing in meetings with players and agents, etc.

      The recent article reminded me a bit of my grandmother, who would say odd things and make weird comments. This grew over time. A bit later came the dementia.

      At any rate, Frank’s out again tomorrow? Bummer. I hope he isn’t being looked at by the Mets’ medical staff!

    46. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      I’ve seen highlights of him from Europe. Must see TV.

    47. Ntilakilla

      Well, Dennis Smith Jr. hobbled off the court in tonight’s preseason game between the Mavs and the Hawks. If he were playing for us all we’d be hearing right now is how cursed/doomed/incompetent our organization is for picking an injury prone PG. Hmmmm…..

    48. Ben R

      I’m a bit worried about Frank. His knee issues have been lingering since before the draft. I know he supposedly hit knees in training camp and this is unrelated to his previous injury but it’s the same knee so call me unconvinced.

      How many games do you think he plays this season, 50? 55? 60?

    49. Donnie Walsh

      This Warrior team is soooo unlikeable.

      I like everything about them. (Especially the basketball parts)

    50. stratomatic says you can't play defense if you keep getting players than can't defend

      And he’s a turnstile on D lol

      Probably, but at least they have Deandre Jordan in the middle. We have Enes Kanter.

    51. danvt

      yeah but think about how many combined years of experience they have jotting down notes about hustle and intensity and intrigue on their clipboard while you sit around staring at spreadsheets on websites like they actually mean something useful you fucking nerd

      I’ve learned my lesson about going against advanced stats based analysis. The only thing I’d say is that, though advanced stats are predictive of the future most of the time, they aren’t predictive of the future all of the time. For example, when you buy a stock (I hear, lol) you want to buy it when it’s value is low and then hope it increases in value. You look for signs that it will. A good NBA GM looks for bargains. Players who can be signed at a good salary number and who, there’s reason to believe, will outperform that number and perhaps deserve a better number the next time the contract is up. I would say, the vast majority of the time they fail to do it. They sign someone who stays what he is or falls off. However, on a good team, usually there are people who’s stock has risen. For example, without Isiah Thomas and Jae Crowder, who had been available at bargain rates, BOS is middle of the pack and doesn’t go to the ECF last year. In summation, as bloggers it’s easy to look at spreadsheets and burn people for being dinosaurs. As a GM, you have to evaluate athleticism, work ethic, and intelligence and make bets on potential. Twelve Kevin Durant’s don’t just walk through the door.

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