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Tuesday, December 12, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.10.06)

  • [NYDN] Nigel Hayes: I want a Knicks fan to prove me wrong about NYC
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 1:30:56 PM)

    Nigel Hayes, the gregarious small forward fighting for a Knicks roster spot, has a challenge for the fans of his new team: prove him wrong.

  • [NYDN] Ex-Knick comes to Cam Newton’s defense over sexist remarks
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 9:18:37 AM)

    As Cam Newton faced backlash for his sexist remarks to a female reporter, former Knick James ‘Flight’ White came to his defense.

  • [NYDN] Knicks’ Frank Ntilikina out Friday with bruised knee
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:10:19 AM)

    Knicks rookie Frank Ntilikina is doubtful for Friday’s preseason game because of a bruised right knee.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ Kanter a vanishing breed in NBA: Big man with inside moves
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 7:26:54 PM)

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Enes Kanter considers himself a throwback, a center who can play with his back to the basket and hurt teams with an array of post moves.

  • [NY Newsday] Frank Ntilikina to miss Knicks’ preseason game Friday
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 3:21:24 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — The Knicks left for their first road preseason game Thursday without Frank Ntilikina.

  • [SNY Knicks] Nigel Hayes challenges Knicks fans to change his mind about NYC
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 6:24:44 PM)

    Knicks small forward Nigel Hayes knows he drew attention when he called New York “too big” and “dirty,” and now he wants the fans to do their best to help change his mind.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis will likely play forward more than center this season
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 5:10:07 PM)

  • [SNY Knicks] Ntilikina out for Friday’s game due to bruised knee
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:15:24 PM)

    Knicks rookie PG Frank Ntilikina (contused right knee) is out for Friday night’s preseason game against the Wizards.

  • [NYPost] Defense the next challenge for Knicks’ Enes Kanter
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 11:00:24 PM)

    WASHINGTON — The Knicks understand Enes Kanter isn’t here to solve their defensive woes. He’s an old-school, 6-foot-11, back-to-the-basket center and voracious offensive rebounder. Defense hasn’t been the new Knicks’ strong suit and he even lost playing time in last season’s playoffs with the Thunder because of that deficiency. After the Knicks allowed 115 points…

  • [NYPost] MSG’s Alan Hahn on Ntilikina, Porzingis and all things Knicks
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 6:41:17 PM)

    MSG Network analyst Alan Hahn talks Frank Ntilikina’s potential and the good quiet around the Knicks right now with The Post’s Justin Terranova. Q: What has been your early impression of Ntilikina? A: Defense really stood out more than anything. He has a 7-foot-3 wingspan for a guy who is 6-5, 6-6. He’s smooth and…

  • [NYPost] Knicks superfan Michael Rapaport has epic evisceration of James Dolan
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:22:14 AM)

    Actor/comedian Michael Rapaport was once a fixture on the Garden’s celebrity row, but now may have to think twice before asking for front-row comps. In his soon-to-be-released book, “This Book has Balls,” the lifelong Knicks diehard and New York native viciously attacks owner James Dolan, even making fun of his singing the blues. Rapaport takes…

  • [NYPost] Frank Ntilikina injuries piling up early
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 9:02:44 AM)

    WASHINGTON — John Wall will have to wait. Knicks rookie point guard Frank Ntilikina will miss Friday’s preseason game against the Wizards with a bruised right knee. Ntilikina hurt his groin Monday, but still played in the preseason opener Tuesday against the Nets, during which he looked smooth running the offense despite shooting just 1-for-7…

  • [NYPost] Jeanie Buss: My brother doomed my life with Phil Jackson
    (Thursday, October 05, 2017 7:03:23 AM)

    For Jeanie Buss, Zen just couldn’t go the distance. The Lakers owner shared during an appearance at the annual espnW: Women + Sports Summit on Tuesday that her romance with former fiancée Phil Jackson was doomed after her brother, Jim Buss, didn’t bring Jackson back as coach in 2012. Jackson was interested in the position, but…

  • 87 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.10.06)

    1. Frank

      Ntilikina might be injury prone. He might be slow-footed and a bad shooter. But boy am I glad Derrick Rose is off this team. He just has zero insight and is as dumb as rocks. I mean look at this:

      Derrick Rose has had a strong start to Cavs training camp. He says the only difference between his game now verus last year with the New York Knicks was that back then, nobody was watching. “I was doing the same thing last year, but when you’re losing and you don’t get any highlights, just look at the box score and you don’t really see the game,” Rose said. “It is what it is.”

      Dude, you were playing in New York City for the Knicks. Everyone was watching and you were barely passable on offense and a complete train wreck on defense.

      He just has no idea what winning basketball is about.

      Anyway – regarding Ntilikina – not sure what is up in Z-man’s bonnet about him. Let’s have a little optimism here! We have a physically gifted player who likes to play defense, and by all reports has really impressed as a barely-19-year-old. In general we should really temper our expectations here – according to B-R, in the last 20 seasons, exactly ONE rookie PG has posted a WS/48 >0.100 at age 19 (Kyrie Irving) despite there being many 19 year old guards drafted during that time. Even if you extend that to age 20, the only PGs (rookie or 2nd year player) that are added are Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Tony Parker, and James Harden.

      We’re going to have some growing pains. If he averages 8 points, 5 assists, a steal, and a TS of 52 I think that’d probably be a reasonably acceptable rookie year. In fact – only 3 guards in the last 20 years have reached that threshold at age 18-20 –> CP3, Kyrie, and Jrue Holiday. If by age 21 he’s still averaging that, then we have a problem.

    2. ILoveHatetheKnicks

      I came away encouraged by Frank’s performance.

      Pros – looked pretty solid in the pick and roll (his handle not being good enough to play pg is a little overblown); got the team into good sets; didn’t play over his head; played good defense and seemed very engaged on that end

      Cons – shot poorly (though I thought there were a couple of make-able shots he missed); wasn’t as aggressive when chances presented itself for him to be.

      Overall he was okay. Looked better in the first half than second half. Wonder whether that had something to do with him bumping knees with Kanter. I would have liked to see him go tonight to see what adjustments, if any, he would have made.

    3. johnno

      “I was doing the same thing last year, but when you’re losing and you don’t get any highlights, just look at the box score and you don’t really see the game,”
      Derrick Rose is as dumb as rocks (and seems like a pretty bad guy, too) but the ironic thing is that this part of his statement is 100% true. Whoever wrote the article said that he has had a “strong start” to training camp. They probably mean that he looks athletic and aggressive attacking the rim — which was exactly how he looked last year. And if you just look at the box scores, he looks like he had a pretty good year. He thinks that the box scores don’t tell the whole story about what kind of year he had, which is also 100% true. Where he is way off base is that he thinks that he had a much better year than the box scores show, but those of us who had the misfortune of actually watching him play on a regular basis (although I admit that I checked out by the all-star break) realize that he was much worse than what the box score shows.
      “But boy am I glad Derrick Rose is off this team.”
      Truer words were never spoken. He may be my least favorite Knick of all time.

    4. DS

      You know who gets a free pass? Prokhorov. I barely hear his name mentioned when ppl discuss the trainwreck that resulted from the KG trade. He wanted to win immediately, applied pressure to management, and then he faded away out of the spotlight when things went belly up.

      @1 – Please stop talking about Frank’s succeptability to injury. You’re making me feel upset. :)

    5. lavor postell

      Like all rookie PGs Frank is going to struggle at times. Just want to see the glimpses of what he can be when he fully develops. He can shoot 3s and looks capable of hitting the screener in PnR and PnP going back to his time in europe. It’s the drive and kick out to shooters, pull up shooting and getting to the rim that we’ll want to see some flashes of during the season that I’m most interested in.

    6. Z-man

      Frank et al.,
      My point is that no one should be projecting him as a starter for this year yet. Hornacek is not going to just throw him out there as a starter if he is not ready, and there is absolutely nothing yet to indicate that he is. Unless Hornacek has been ordered to tank, and assured that his job is safe no matter what his W-L record is, he’s mostly gonna play the guys that give the team the best chance to win. His job is on the line, and I expect him to coach that way. As such, Frank needs to show something in the next couple of weeks. I see this as perfectly logical, not having something in my “bonnet.”

    7. iserp

      Z-Man, the competition for the PG spot is Sessions and Jack, and that is not a very high bar. Not to mention that Hornacek liked to play 2 PG lineups. Perhaps Sessions starts all year out of respect for veterans, but Ntilikina will surely play 20+ minutes. Besides, coaches are usually pressured into giving playing time to the team’s lottery picks.

      So I am projecting the following distribution of minutes to start the season, you tell me where it is wrong:

      Sessions 24 / Ntilikina 20 / Baker 4
      THJr 32 / Lee 10 / Baker 6
      Lee 20 / McDermott 15 / Beasley 13
      KP 32 / KOQ 10 / Beas 6
      Kanter 24 / Willy 24

      With Dotson, Thomas and Kuz playing sparingly depending on injuries and how Baker, McDermott and Beasley play.

    8. Totes McGoats Makes 18mil For 14ppg

      The only things that encourages me about Ntilikina’s debut is how comfortable he looked and his engagement on the defensive end. Looked like a seamless transition for him, albeit against the Nets. Still though, I liken this to how John Thompson used to make the Hoyas schedule. Early on, the schedule wasn’t very challenging, but it gave guys confidence going into the meat of the schedule. That said, Ntilikina loked promising enough to possibly be the starter at the 1 once the season starts. If Kanter and McBuckets start, Hornacek might hafta start him- but I’d probably run him out there 20 minutes a night for most of the season. Now if Willy starts, we can feel comfortable with Sessions starting.

      One thing I’d LOVE to see is Nigel Hayes make Lance expendable. A team like Milwaukee could use veteran glue guys like Lance & Lee maybe for Henson- leaving Mills to find a good deal for KOQ resulting in a draft pick.

    9. GoNyGoNyGo

      @8 – You have Lee playing 30 minutes. I thing he’ll play much less and expect Kuz to play much more. You left Noah out of the the equation at center and I think he see’s more than 10 minutes per game.

      About Ntilikina’s injuries. Back in the day I was convinced (still am) that Joe Torre invented injuries to rest players for a couple of weeks. Every player has some sort of injury every day of the season. It’s like Bill Belichick listing Tom Brady with a “shoulder” every week for the past decade. It’s a farce. Frank bruised his knee. Of course it hurts. Maybe there are other reasons, like seeing other players play because he’s getting spot action this season? We all know how hard it is to become a starting PG in the NBA. This might be a way to make excuses for reduced PT. I think that Frank holds the clip board for much of this year.

    10. Owen

      I miss Bargs. If you are going to be old, bad, and capped out, you might as well be hilariously awful. And there has been nothing in the NBA more hilariously awful than Bargs in the last decade.

      Bargs was really in a class by himself and I am glad that, since we were going to suck anyway, I was privileged enough to get to watch him not play defense in the NBA for my team.

      I honestly think if you are starting a hall of fame for the worst players in NBA history you have got to think about him as one of those first ballot, inner-circle guys, just given how many minutes he actually played and where he was drafted and the fact that someone once gave up a first round draft pick swap for him long after it was clear how bad he really was.

      Although, we are going to be bad this year too, and for the first time in 15 years there isn’t a single player on the team I have a problem with.

      That could be refreshing actually.

    11. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Kuzminskas should be out of the rotation IMO. McDermott is the same player except 3 years younger and better at basketball. Part of me thinks McDermott will have a breakout year because he might actually be our best perimeter shooter and scorer. He’s great at cutting to the basket and finishing all the while he can shoot the 3. All of the other things like rebounding, passing and defending he might not be good at but he’ll get buckets. I’d start him because he’s a better offensive player than LT is at defense, and Courtney Lee probably won’t rebound well enough to justify minutes as a 3.

    12. JK47

      Hornacek will have to dole out roughly 4000 minutes of PG play. Sessions isn’t the kind of workhorse who is going to rack up 2500 minutes. If the Knicks are lucky Sessions plays maybe 2000 minutes, and will probably play more like 1600-1800 minutes. That leaves something like 2000-2400 minutes to dole out to Frank, Jack and I guess Scrappy Doo, who is not a point guard but whatever.

      So Frank will probably get something like 20 MPG no matter what, because there are simply not enough warm bodies to play the position.

    13. Z-man

      iserp, I don’t get where the Frank 20+ minute number comes from, or why you expect him to play more than Ron Baker, who they just gave a 2 yr/$5 mill contract to. But as I said, my point is that we don’t have anywhere near enough data to feel strongly about anything. We’ll know a lot more after he (hopefully) plays against Harden and Wall in upcoming preseason games.

    14. Z-man

      JK, I agree, unless Frank can’t stay on the court, either due to foul trouble, poor play or injury. I think it’s more likely that he is used as he was in Strasbourg…both at the 1 and 2. He’ll be much less of a liability at this point at the 2, where he can focus on being a 3 and D guy who can dribble and pass a bit (much like Shump during his rookie year.) If he’s either the starting PG or plays 20+ minutes a game at PG, we’re gonna lose 60 games. That may be a good thing, but I doubt that Horny is going to buy into that, at least early on.

      And this is not to knock Frank. First-year PGs generally suck, and he wasn’t even playing PG at Strasbourg. At best, he will have a very steep learning curve.

    15. Z-man

      @15 maybe that’s true, but whether you like it or not, he’s been invested in by the guys who make those decisions. He will get a long look before he gets benched.

    16. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      I really don’t know how long a look Baker will get as a point guard. If McDermott can ball there’s not much room for him in the rotation between Frank, Sessions, Lee, and TH2. Kuz, Beasley, McDermott, and LT figure to occupy time at the 3, which leaves little time for a key piece of the rotation, Courtney Lee, to play the 3. I think Baker only gets minutes as a PG when Sessions or Ntilikina can’t go, sorta like Sasha Vujacic did last year. I know we’re wasting $11M this way, but I don’t see how Lance Thomas and Ron Baker belong in our rotation. Ntilikina, Sessions, Hardaway Jr, Lee, McDermott, Beasley, KP, O’Quinn, Kanter, Hernangomez, and Noah all deserve playing time ahead of those two. I doubt we’ll see more than 1,200 minutes from either guy without injuries playing a role.

    17. Z-man

      Lance Thomas was overpaid by Phil Jackson. Ron Baker was overpaid by Steve Mills. He’ll get a long look.

    18. nicos

      It was only one game but Frank looked like Ron Baker part two to me. The only really good play he made in the pnr was the dump off to Kanter which he probably should have shot himself. Other than that he made two really bad passes for turnovers and a couple of safe passes that led to long two pointers which happened to go in. He tended to stop way beyond the three point line if there was any ball pressure though he did get by Russell a couple of time when Russell reached in- something I’m not sure he’ll be able to do against better defenders. He looked awful trying to finish around the rim- not explosive at all. Still, it’s one game and one where he probably had some nerves and may have been less than 100%- I just didn’t see any cause for optimism (for the immediate future- like early in the season) on the offensive end. Not saying at all that he won’t wind up a decent point guard- I just didn’t think his performance was particularly good.

    19. lavor postell

      I would play Baker over Sessions and not think twice about it. Baker at least has a chance to get better. Sessions is what he is. On nights where Ron sucks ass and Frank is being a rookie, both of which could be frequent, Sessions can get burn then, but he’s not a priority at all.

      @20 – 1 of those awful turnovers was him barely missing Kanter on a side PnR for what would have been an easy flush. He also setup Kanter for another bunny before that which Kanter somehow missed and which Frank probably should have just shot himself. Finally, he also setup KP for a 3, which he passed up on to attack a closeout and take a 1 dribble pull up which he made, but didn’t give Frank credit for an assist.

      It’s preseason and it’s the Nets, but he showed nicely, especially in his first stint on the court. He still has a lot of work to do, but on the evidence of preseason so do his contemporaries in the rookie class.

    20. ClashFan

      The Knicks PAID Baker, so they’re going to play him some if he’s healthy. At the 1, I think Sessions, Frank, and Ron may all rotate and get good minutes. If Lee is dealt, Ron will get some time at the 2, also.

      It is only one game, of course, but McD looked good, esp. in the first quarter. He can do more than just spot up and shoot. D is the issue, but he looked relatively fast running around; however, he did sag in a a lot and seemed to drift around at times (Beasley did, too), leaving shooters open. That might be a team/Hornacek, issue.

      Yeah, just laughed at DRose’s comments. He’s always been like that, completely entitled and tone deaf.

    21. DRed

      If Sessions was terrible last year because he was hurt and is league averagish this year there is probably some value to putting him out there over Baker/Frank to give our young bigs reps with a point guard who can run an NBA offense.

    22. lavor postell

      @24 – I agree with that, but I’d give the young guards the priority on a given night and if they’re struggling then throw Sessions on. I’m not saying he should never play just because he’s a vet, but I want to give the priority reps to Frank especially and then Ron, who could conceivably improve at 24 years old.

      Honestly, if he played over Ron I wouldn’t care, but Frank needs to be given plenty of run and, as other have pointed out, based on the contract Ron got it’s likely he’s going to get plenty of opportunities.

    23. DRed

      Yeah I really wish our roster fit together better so that we could run out some Frank/Baker backcourts. Obviously there’s nothing stopping us, but the money we’re paying Lee/THJ probably means they’re getting most of the minutes at the 2

    24. ClashFan

      I hope the Knicks properly manage/limit Frank’s minutes. This is going to be a long, grueling season for him, both physically and mentally.

      Nothing wrong with bringing him off the bench for a while to work against opposing backup point guards for awhile. I imagine there will be some nights when he gets under 20 minutes, even if healthy.

      Minutes will need to be soaked up at the 1.

    25. lavor postell

      @25 – What we need is a consolidation trade. If we could package KOQ and Lance for 3 I think we could free up more minutes to experiment with small lineups and alleviate our logjam at the 5. Idk who such a player would be, just thinking out loud.

    26. Z-man

      “I hope the Knicks properly manage/limit Frank’s minutes. This is going to be a long, grueling season for him, both physically and mentally.

      Nothing wrong with bringing him off the bench for a while to work against opposing backup point guards for awhile. I imagine there will be some nights when he gets under 20 minutes, even if healthy.

      Minutes will need to be soaked up at the 1.”

      I wouldn’t be surprised if the Knicks look for a young PG on the waiver wire. But it’s also possible that Sessions, Baker and Jack play a combined 40mpg and Frank gets the scraps. It’s also possible that Frank gets sent to the G-League a few times to play 40 MPG against that level of competition. I see no problem with keeping him there until he’s consistently piling up decent stats. If he can’t show well consistently in the G-League, he’s certainly not ready for anything but garbage time minutes of NBA action. Ant that’s not just about Frank, that’s about any young player.

      Last year, Baker averaged 12.5 points, 7.0 assists, 5.3 rebounds and 2.3 steals at a TS% of .542 in 4 D-League starts @ 36 mpg. Would that be too much to ask of Frank?

    27. danvt

      It was only one game but Frank looked like Ron Baker part two to me.

      Totally wrong. IDK what you were watching. He penetrated in the P&R at will. He had a couple of TO’s and shot poorly but his handle, knowledge of the game, vision, size and strength are NBA ready.

      It’s also possible that Frank gets sent to the G-League a few times

      I don’t think so. I think, he’s going to start. He looked clearly better than Sessions. I understand you taking the role of the voice of reason for this blog and respect the evidence you bring to underscore your points but I think FN is going to be the exception to the rule. He’s good right now. Of course, all I have is the dreaded eye test, but I’d be willing to wager that he’s the starter and a serious bright spot from day 1. The obvious caveat being health.

    28. lavor postell

      But it’s also possible that Sessions, Baker and Jack play a combined 40mpg and Frank gets the scraps.

      No, this isn’t possible and if Hornacek does that he should be fired. You don’t give a first year lotto pick on a rebuilding team as shitty as the fucking Knicks 8 minutes a night behind Sessions, Baker and Jack. You don’t send him down the G-League to prove himself like you do a UDFA like Ron Baker without a fair shot in the NBA. That’s not protecting him from pressure, that’s piling it on him.

      I also don’t understand why you think he’s gonna be scrapping for minutes behind Jack and is going to be treated like that based on anything Hornacek has said so far.

    29. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Ron Baker got paid on a technicality. He agreed to the minimum salary deal but we had to renounce him to sign TH2. I guess they made good by giving him the full MLE. They didn’t value him at that dollar amount; Steve Mills just made a terrible decision in terms of cap management.

      That being said, I doubt anybody on the Knicks feels like they have to play Ron Baker because of his $5M AAV. In the grand scheme of things he’s an afterthought.

    30. Z-man

      @30 well, Hornacek’s supervisors might fire him if he starts out the year 3-17 because he’s playing a 19 yo 2-guard at the 1, so whatever.

    31. Z-man

      Of course, all I have is the dreaded eye test…

      with the eyes looking through rose-colored classes…

    32. Z-man

      I’d be willing to wager that he’s the starter and a serious bright spot from day 1

      I wonder if there’s a Vegas line for that, and if not, what it would be. I’d say 5-1 on the “starter” and 3-1 on the “serious bright spot from day 1″

    33. Z-man

      I’d sign Felder the minute he was released, but I’ve had the irrational hots for him since before he was drafted.

    34. lavor postell

      @33 – Sure, they could do a lot of things. Barely playing the 8th overall pick at all and handing him a starting role at 30+MPG a night aren’t the only options. I feel pretty confident that if he gives Ntilikina 20-25 minutes a night and we’re 3-17 it won’t just be because he’s struggling though.

    35. GoNyGoNyGo

      Lavor, I agree that Frank will play about 20-25 mpg and yeah, we have a logjam that demands a trade.

    36. geo

      I’d sign Felder the minute he was released, but I’ve had the irrational hots for him since before he was drafted.

      is there anything “statistically” (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/feldeka01.html) that supports him being an nba point guard?

      just looking at his numbers from last year (ugh, it’s been a while since i’ve tried making sense of all that stuff) it’s hard to tell – it doesn’t look like he had much of an opportunity to play (understandably so considering the focus of the cavs)…

    37. iserp

      @Z-Man, I see Baker more of a SG, Jack as done, and Sessions incapable of logging too many minutes. And usually teams are also invested in their 1st round picks, so unless he is completely lost, he will stay with the team and play minutes. Just look at the Nuggets with Mudiay, who was picked in a similar position and played terribly the 1st year (and the 2nd…).

      About Noah, I was just writing the lineup to start the season. I guess the rotation will change as Horny figures out what style of play he wants, and how the new additions fare.

    38. iserp

      Felder would be a nice pickup, he had very few opportunities in Cleveland, and might still turn out good. And we lack PGs… (and hence the reason of 20+ minutes for Frank)

    39. Bruno Almeida

      This Frank thing is honestly such a non issue.

      To get relevant minutes all he has to do is be better than Jarrett Jack and Ron Baker. That means he probably needs to be less bad than the bottom 50-100 players in the league. I think he can be a top 350 player in the league, and he should be playing anyway just on basis of being 19 and having high potential.

      If Ron Baker is what z-man thinks and improves to the point where his production is significantly better than last year AND Frank is not impressive, than by all means give Baker minutes over him. If he’s decidedly worse than Ron Baker and Jarrett Jack he’s completely outmatched and unplayable in his first year and should not get minutes anyway.

      I don’t mind if he’s a starter or not from day one, just that his potential deserves minutes and the fact that the other options are terrible only makes it easier.

    40. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      I don’t understand why people are so sure Frank won’t contribute to wins as a rookie. You’re talking about the most decorated French draft prospect possibly ever. 2 time rising player of the year in LNB Pro A, he started on a team that went to the LNB Pro A championship game as an 18 year old, and he won the FIBA Euro U18 Championship to go along with MVP honors for the tournament. Chances are he was the second best young player in all of Europe last year, and the first is Luka Doncic. He’s a high energy defender, he has a high basketball IQ, he’s already comfortable in the pick and roll (that was in his draft report), and he’s a physical specimen at the point guard position. I don’t think he’ll come in and be an above average player from the beginning, but I do think he’ll be good enough defensively that he will always be playable.

    41. DS

      Joakim to play tonight. I just looked at his numbers and I expected them to be slightly worse, given how negatively he is portrayed. Having 8.8 RPG and .106 WS/48 is not setting the world on fire and is certainly not worth $18 million per season, I just expected Mozgov-level suckiness or something.

    42. lavor postell

      Noah is pretty interesting. He’s never going to live up to the contract, but can he give you that defense and rebounding for 20 minutes or less a night, not shoot like Drummond from the free throw line (used to be good) and finish slightly better at the rim? His last 3 seasons aren’t indicators the shooting and finishing may be totally gone, but maybe the defense and rebounding aren’t completely out of the question.

      I think it best to view anything Noah can give you as a pleasant surprise, but plan as if he’ll be a total zero.

    43. djphan

      Most decorates french prospect is a bit hypernolic….

      The key stat to look for with frank… and really any of the rookie pgs… is there 2p fg%… frank struggled in this area even during the u18s and it’s the main reason why alot of pgs fail….

      It didnt look like he has that ability to finish in the paint yet and he looks a bit slow but he was slightly better than i thought he’d be.. he will need to contribute and not fall totally flat if hes gonna make it…

    44. johnno

      Does anyone else think that Ntilikina is capable of a Shumpert-level rookie year? Most of us were pretty encouraged by rookie Shumpert and thought that he had a good future. His problem was that he never improved one iota from his rookie year.

    45. JK47

      Noah rebounds, and that’s about it. He has lost a lot of foot speed so he is not the defender he was in his prime, in fact I think he’s a shell of himself on the defensive end.

    46. JK47

      I’m not watching this, but the boxscore says Beasley has 3 rebounds, an assist, a block and a steal in eight minutes.

      Maybe he was using only 10 percent of his basketball ability before coming here.

    47. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      The Knicks’ best offensive unit this year is going to be Ntilikina, TH2, McDermott, Beasley, and Kanter/KP.

    48. DRed

      Beas is a super talented guy who will never put it all together, but he’s been okay the last couple years

    49. ClashFan

      IDK if the Knicks 3 point shooting is sustainable tonight.

      Seems like the Knicks leave a corner 3 guy wide open on D just about every time.

    50. Grocer

      We’ve got some okay defenders, but the bad defenders are so easily exploitable. Exciting fast pace basketball!

    51. ClashFan

      Kanter scores, and efficiently, too. So far tonight, 14 points on 9 shots.

      Dotson got some good minutes in the first half, and looked okay.

      One huge issue is that no one can stop Wall. He’s penetrating at will, scoring, and getting good looks for everyone.

    52. ClashFan

      If the Knicks are showcasing Lee, he’s helping with it. He’s 4/6 from three. Also, he’s +11 so far tonight and Sessions is +14.

    53. d-mar

      Really like what I’m seeing from THJr. He just seems really comfortable out there, makes good decisions and that quick release 3 pointer is deadly.

      I think he’s underpaid (-:

    54. ClashFan

      Kanter seems to be getting under the skin of the Wiz big men a bit.

      NBA.com has gone completely nuts. I couldn’t get the stream to work again, but I was using it for the updated box score. Now, that’s gone and it has the Knicks game and Hawks/Pistons listed as in Pregame.

      Roku stream is okay again, and the NBA app has only crashed once, so far!
      :-)

    55. ClashFan

      Well, there goes my LP stream for Roku. It stopped, and now it also lists the Knicks game as in Pregame.

    56. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Beasley is going to deserve a lot of minutes if he’s going to rebound the way he’s been rebounding in the pre season.

    57. ClashFan

      @79
      Yeah, but he needs to stop chucking (3/10 tonight) and play better D. From what I saw in the 4th he started his floating around stuff again. He also barked at Sessions and THJ earlier tonight.

      I missed the last 5 min. of the game as League Pass melted down on all three of my devices.

    58. DRed

      I was mostly watching the Yankees-only thing I heard was it was last minute decision and Horny would explain why after the game

    59. d-mar

      Pivotal moment of the Yankees game: 6th inning, 2 outs, 2 on, Green is overpowering pinch hitter Chisenhall, 0-2 count, ball hits knob of his bat, umpire rules HBP. Girardi doesn’t challenge, Lindor then hits a grand slam.

      Girardi is gonna be second guessed big time, changed the whole series.

    60. Frank

      29 turnovers?!

      Didn’t watch any of the game but Noah’s line is pretty impressive on a per minute basis.

    61. ClashFan

      The good news is that the team is trying hard, running plays, in motion, making passes.

      The bad news is lots of bad passes, etc. Very sloppy at times and some overpassing. It’ll probably be like that a lot for awhile until guys get more used to each other and the rotations get tighter.

      The D looked better in the 2nd half. Less guys left wide open, etc. Of course, Wall sitting most of the half helped.

    62. danvt

      with the eyes looking through rose-colored classes…

      Awfully sure of yourself…

      I’m just saying that, from his pedigree, his draft position, and what I’ve seen of his game, he has a chance to earn some minutes and be pretty good. Maybe even start. You’re saying he could end up losing out to un-drafted FA’s and going down to the minors. You’re going to get quoted a bit if you’re wrong.

    63. ess-dog

      Beasley just isn’t a smart player on either side of the ball. I’d really prefer they use him as a backup in limited minutes.

      Both Sessions and Jack suck on D. The door is wide open for Frank. Lee and Hardaway at least try. Kanter is also terrible on D, especially in transition. I’d for sure start Willy, and Noah could take the backup minutes. McD has issues, but he’s the best look at the 3 this far. He just runs out of gas quickly.

      Dotson looks very active on D. I hope he can log minutes.

      I guess Frank/TH2/Lee/Dotson/McD/KP/Willy/Kanter should definitely be in the rotation, and I guess Sessions. Probably Thomas or Beas too.

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