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Knicks Morning News (2017.02.28)

  • [NYTimes] Raptors 92, Knicks 91: Knicks Get Younger in a Hurry, but Aren’t Quick to Abandon Playoff Hopes
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:42:20 AM)

    After releasing Brandon Jennings and losing Joakim Noah to surgery, the Knicks built a 17-point lead against the Raptors — and lost in the final seconds.

  • [NYTimes] News Flash: Warriors Heading to Playoffs (and the Earth Is Round, Too)
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 2:26:11 PM)

    With a record of 49-9, the team has clinched a berth with a mind-boggling 24 games to play. It sealed the deal on Feb. 25, the earliest date ever.

  • [NYTimes] As Rosters Lock In, the Best N.B.A. Games This Week
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 9:42:10 PM)

    The Celtics, who stayed put at the trade deadline, and the Cavaliers, who are trying to add Deron Williams and Andrew Bogut, meet on Wednesday in a battle of Eastern powers.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo misses game-winner at buzzer as Knicks fall to Raptors
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 9:14:46 PM)

    The Knicks’ youth movement began in earnest Monday night at the Garden.

  • [NYDN] Joakim Noah undergoes knee surgery, season likely over
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 6:13:21 PM)

    It was only a matter of time before Joakim Noah’s body broke down.

  • [NYDN] Knicks to waive Brandon Jennings
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 6:13:12 PM)

    Unable to find a trade for him at the deadline, the Knicks are planning to waive Brandon Jennings.

  • [NYDN] Henrik Lundqvist says James Dolan has ‘been the best owner’
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 9:18:34 AM)

    Many hate James Dolan, but apparently The King does not.

  • [NYDN] The Knicks actually did a smart thing by cutting Brandon Jennings
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 6:10:52 AM)

    The Knicks front office actually has a pulse. Imagine that.

  • [ESPN] Tuesday’s Knicks News: Time for Courtney Lee to step up
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 4:52:42 AM)

    Tuesday’s Knicks News: Time for Courtney Lee to step up

  • [ESPN] Will the Knicks target Jrue Holiday in free agency?
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:36:37 AM)

    Will the Knicks target Jrue Holiday in free agency?

  • [ESPN] NBA Rumor Central: Where will Brandon Jennings land?
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 3:35:03 PM)

    NBA Rumor Central: Where will Brandon Jennings land?

  • [ESPN] Sources: Season likely over for Knicks’ Noah
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 12:03:58 PM)

    Sources: Season likely over for Knicks’ Noah

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ PG swap: Jennings gone, Randle signs
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 8:36:17 AM)

    Knicks’ PG swap: Jennings gone, Randle signs

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony misses game-winner as Knicks lose to DeRozan, Raptors
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 9:42:32 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony scored 24 points for the New York Knicks, but finished a 9-for-26 night when he missed a long jumper as time expired in a 92-91 loss to the Toronto Raptors.

  • [SNY Knicks] Hornacek: Knicks aren’t tanking despite cutting Jennings, losing Noah
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 7:19:31 PM)

    Following the release of guard Brandon Jennings and an injury to Joakim Noah, New York Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek said the team is not tanking to get a better slot in the NBA draft lottery.

  • [SNY Knicks] Stefan Bondy talks Knicks moves on Daily News Live
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 6:41:11 PM)

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis out Monday, expected to return vs. Magic on Wednesday
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 5:29:00 PM)

    Knicks forward Kristaps Porzingis will miss his second straight game with an ankle injury when New York faces the Toronto Raptors on Monday.

  • [SNY Knicks] 3 Keys: defensive communication, next season, and the 15th roster spot
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 4:00:39 PM)

    In this week’s edition of “3 Keys,” SNY.tv’s Keith Schlosser takes a look at the Knicks’ defensive communication, making assessments for next season, and the rotating fifteenth roster spot.

  • [SNY Knicks] Noah has arthroscopic surgery, expected to miss rest of season
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 3:00:27 PM)

    Knicks C Joakim Noah had arthrosopic surgery on his left knee on Monday and will be reevaluated in three-to-four weeks, the team announced.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks cut Jennings, sign Chasson Randle
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 12:50:27 PM)

    The Knicks have cut PG Brandon Jennings and will used the open roster spot to sign free agent guard Chasson Randle, the team announced Monday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Advice from Anthony helped Hernangomez turn corner
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 11:15:46 AM)

    Knicks rookie center Willy Hernangomez has received advice from veteran Carmelo Anthony, which has helped the young big man turn a corner in his first year.

  • [NYPost] Courtney Lee has to show up like this for Knicks more often
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 7:48:46 PM)

    When Courtney Lee rose off the Madison Square Garden court and released a high-arcing 3-pointer that went softly through the nylon to give the Knicks a one-point lead with 10.6 seconds remaining, he put the cap on a 16-point performance the Knicks need more of for the duration of his four-year, $50 million contract. However,…

  • [NYPost] Phil Jackson made an absolute mess of this Knicks season
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 7:11:31 PM)

    At the end of his press conference before Monday night’s game against the Raptors, Jeff Hornacek assured everyone the Knicks were still trying to win games. It only sounded like the death of a season. First Hornacek confirmed center Joakim Noah would be out three to four weeks after undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery. Then the…

  • [NYPost] Knicks throwing in the towel even as they promise they won’t
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 4:52:03 PM)

    Brandon Jennings is gone for good, Joakim Noah might be done for the season and the Knicks’ focus on playing the young guys is about to go into full swing. However, coach Jeff Hornacek firmly denied the Knicks are in tank mode — four games out of the No. 8 seed with 23 games left…

  • [NYPost] Fighting Knicks refuse to tank in thriller — but still do the job
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 4:41:35 PM)

    Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek and his players didn’t get the email from Phil Jackson they ought to think about tanking. Before tipoff Monday against the mighty Raptors, Hornacek said angrily, “Who says we’re trying to lose? What does that mean?’’ And they did almost everything not to lose. In the thrilling end, however, Toronto All-Star…

  • [NYPost] Why Knicks wanted a second chance at Chasson Randle
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 3:12:13 PM)

    It’s been a full-circle journey for Chasson Randle this season. First, he tore up the summer league in Las Vegas for the Knicks. Next, he dominated the D-League in Westchester before being picked up by the Sixers on multiple 10-day contracts while living in a hotel room. Then, just as he moved into an apartment…

  • [NYPost] Joakim Noah’s year — and days as a starter — may be done
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 7:02:22 AM)

    After this season, Joakim Noah has three years left on his $72 million contract, but his days as a starting center may be over. Odds are Noah’s first disastrous season as a Knick is finished, with his signing fast becoming Phil Jackson’s worst mistake as team president. The oft-injured Noah had arthroscopic surgery on his…

  • [NY Newsday] DeMar DeRozan outduels Carmelo Anthony as Raptors edge Knicks
    (Tuesday, February 28, 2017 1:16:52 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony watched his shot bounce off the back of the rim, ripped off his headband and spiked it on the floor as he walked off the court.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ Joakim Noah has knee surgery, probably ending his season
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 10:40:57 PM)

    Phil Jackson’s offseason just keeps looking worse.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks waive Brandon Jennings and sign Chasson Randle
    (Monday, February 27, 2017 12:50:37 PM)

    The Knicks waived veteran backup point guard Brandon Jennings and signed undrafted rookie Chasson Randle, the team announced Monday.

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    171 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.28)

    1. Frank

      Not sure this is notable, but I have fully embraced the tank, not just from an intellectual standpoint (I’ve been there for a while), but from an emotional / fan standpoint. I literally was wishing and hoping that Melo would miss that shot last night. And was happy when he did. That feels like a milestone.

      Huge week for the tank coming up with 2 games against Orlando, 1 against Philly, and 1 against the Bucks. if we can somehow go 1-3 or worse, we’ll be in good shape.

      Really, Hornacek should listen to Charley Rosen and play Sasha 15 minutes/night at PG. And for pete’s sake, play Melo less. 38 min for Melo in a tanking situation? C’mon MAN!!!

      In any case, I think we really just need to end up in the top 8 somehow. Obviously I’d love to get Fultz, Ball, Josh Jackson, or Isaac, but beggars can’t be choosers. I’d be happy enough to get Dennis Smith, Fox, Ntilikina, or Monk also. I just don’t want to be stuck looking at Miles Bridges, Markkanen, or one of the centers.

      If we somehow end up with the 10th pick, I would actually not be against trading down and getting some other assets, maybe picking up Anunoby and/or Kennard.

    2. wetbandit

      I know we want to lose games at all, but how many of the following do we even lose: two games each vs. magic, 76ers, nets. We also play the Bucks, Pacers, Pistons and Heat. Only 22 games left. Unless we actively tank and bench people like KP, HG, and Oquinn, these are a ton of games I see us winning.

    3. wetbandit

      Oh, and Lee. He’s playing very well, and his TS in .569., his d is great- he had 5 steals and 2 blocks last night (well above his average, he was playing out of his mind last night) He’s the kind of player I love, but wrong timing.

      Did you know we have 7(!) players with a TS above .540?? Wouldn’t have guessed it, means our defense must be really terribly terrible.

    4. Philmelo

      Fortunately and unfortunately for us its a pretty tight situation at the bottom, so its not unthinkable that we could get a top 6 pick with a win total in the late 20s. Philadelphia, for all of its best efforts to fail, has looked pretty good since the break. Last night against Golden State they more than held their own until the very end. I also wouldn’t be too discouraged by our effort against the Raptors. They haven’t played so hot since Lowry went down with wrist injury, as evidenced by their loss against the Magic.

    5. kevin5318

      I think this team will miss Jennings more than they think. Rose is our only “PG” and he had to play 40 mins just to have some playmaking on the court.

      We can’t keep playing Melo and Rose 40 Mins a game so I think the 4th pick is definitley in play.

    6. Brian Cronin

      The thing that really kills me about Rosen is that he got so offended about the reaction to his last piece and being seen as a mouthpiece and then he comes out and just does the same shit again. So obviously he doesn’t really care about being seen as a mouthpiece, or else he wouldn’t keep doing it.

    7. Totes McGoats

      RE: Immediate future of the Knicks.
      1. Willy Hernangomez- I know it’s a small sample, but he seems to be good for 10ppg 10rpg 1bpg 1spg 3apg a night on a mid 50’s fg% and 75% ft. He’s very efficient and with his skillset, it bodes very well for the team at the C spot- whether we run the triangle or not. He doesn’t need alot of touches and he always shows up in good spots.
      2. Draft- Any pick in the top 10 is fine with me because Ntilikina is projected to go around 10. That said, if we end up drafting him as a worst case scenario, then Phil will have done well. I’d prefer Ball or Isaac, but I would have no gripes with Ntilikina as a Knick. However, if he gets drafted before we pick then Phil needs to trade down and pick up an extra asset or 2. There’s still helpful talent to be had a little later in the 1st.
      3. Ron Baker- Why oh why are we making him a PG? Why can’t he be a playmaking SG next to a scoring PG like Randle or Rose? I think he’s better defensively at the 2. Of course he does fine as a PG and holds his own, but I don’t see him as primarily a PG. He makes a really good combo guard though, and I’m intrigued by the possiibility of a Randle/Baker backcourt.
      4. Larry Sanders or Plumlee? Both please..especially if Phil can stretch Noah after this season

    8. Philmelo

      We can’t keep playing Melo and Rose 40 Mins a game so I think the 4th pick is definitley in play.

      Melo and Rose for 40 minutes a game is a wonderful recipe for failure, especially when they wear down in the 4th quarter as they figure out how best to heroball in turns.

    9. ptmilo

      The thing that really kills me about Rosen is that he got so offended about the reaction to his last piece and being seen as a mouthpiece and then he comes out and just does the same shit again. So obviously he doesn’t really care about being seen as a mouthpiece, or else he wouldn’t keep doing it.

      ha! this blog should be renamed saving private brian. you’re the only honorable optimist left in the heart of darkness. you’ve been manning this blog since the stuart gray area and you are still suprised when someone’s inner troll beats out their inner diva!

    10. Bruno Almeida

      I do think Rosen gets genuinely annoyed when people say he’s just Jackson’s mouthpiece, but then he remember he’s still gotta keep getting dem checks…

      From his “analysis” it is pretty obvious he would already be without a job if it were about basketball knowledge.

    11. Mike Kurylo Post author

      The Knicks should officially issue a trigonometry test to every player right now. If you fail, it’s a DNP – Failed Trig.

      Oh so then they’re leaving the door open for Kyrie. He’s a real whiz with two dimensional concepts.

    12. mase

      Torn about waving rose. Sure he helps our tank and occasionally hurts it.

      I just don’t like watching him play

    13. Accidentank 2017

      The way Courtney Lee was playing last night has me salivating for a Rubio and Lee back court next season with Lee’s replacement somewhere on the roster already.

    14. bockadoo

      @14 Lee’s replacement will be Alonzo Trier from AZ. Might have to trade our two 2nd rounders for a higher 2nd rounder to get him.

    15. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      1. Willy Hernangomez- I know it’s a small sample, but he seems to be good for 10ppg 10rpg 1bpg 1spg 3apg a night on a mid 50’s fg% and 75% ft. He’s very efficient and with his skillset, it bodes very well for the team at the C spot- whether we run the triangle or not. He doesn’t need alot of touches and he always shows up in good spots.

      Thanks for the per-game stats. Needed those.

    16. Totes McGoats

      Yea Jowles..I’m not well versed in the advanced stats yet, so I’ll defer to yal on that. Does his advanced stats match up well enough to justify my opinion on Willy?

      I’ll catch up on advanced metrics sooner than later..I’m workin on it

    17. Hubert

      Pardon me for not being up to date on recent discourse, but Jowles are you all in on Miles Bridges bc you think he’s the top player in the draft or because you think it’s unlikely we’ll tank successfully enough to get Fultz or Ball? I tend to ignore college basketball, but now that the accidental tank is picking up steam, I find myself intrigued in this NCAA season. I hear there are two studs, but your new name makes me curious if there are glaring statistical warnings in Fulkes and Ball that concern an evidence-minded person such as yourself.

    18. Hubert

      Not sure this is notable, but I have fully embraced the tank

      Every morning I go to the NBA Standings on ESPN, click on league, then sort in reverse order.

      We picked up two spots last night. Top 4 is in within our grasp.

    19. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      Pardon me for not being up to date on recent discourse, but Jowles are you all in on Miles Bridges bc you think he’s the top player in the draft or because you think it’s unlikely we’ll tank successfully enough to get Fultz or Ball? I tend to ignore college basketball, but now that the accidental tank is picking up steam, I find myself intrigued in this NCAA season. I hear there are two studs, but your new name makes me curious if there are glaring statistical warnings in Fulkes and Ball that concern an evidence-minded person such as yourself.

      I have no real opinion on Bridges except that I want a top-3 pick, not the #10. Tank is what I want.

      Honestly, there’s no real way to know whether Fultz and Ball are for real, but everyone is talking about this draft class like there’s never been anything like it. It’s probable that >7 of the top ten picks will be mediocre or worse, so I wouldn’t get too hyped about any of them.

      Look at 2015:

      Towns – very good
      Russell – all hype, no production
      Okafor – the worst mistake the Sixers have made
      Porzingis – overrated and bad (sorry Z-man)
      Hezonja – I didn’t think you could shoot that badly and stay on a roster
      Cauley-Stein – good last year, sucks this year
      Mudiay – possibly the worst guard in the NBA
      Johnson – no thank you, can’t hit the broad side of a barn
      Kaminsky – “Final Four Pedigree,” sub .500 TS% in the NBA
      Winslow – “the next James Harden” only with a .393 TS% (not a typo) this season

      Production is relative, so it should come as no surprise that finding an “impact” player in the draft is really, really hard.

    20. Ambrosenyk

      “Porzingis – overrated and bad”

      Glad someone said it. Nowadays, I spend more time wondering why people think/thought he was good rather than the other way around.

    21. Frank O.

      With the coming schedule, the Knicks conceivably could go on a run, perhaps winning as many as 8 of 11 games. Knicks could be 32-38 in short order
      The schedule favors them winning more games.

      I think this tank thing is interesting, but I actually think the Knicks will play better giving fewer minutes, like 30 to 34 minutes per to Rose and Melo.

      if I look at the whole remaining schedule of 22 games, 16 are winnable. There are a few loses in there where the Knicks would be swept by teams, 4-0 – hard to do – that I call losses.
      That means they would be 40-42.

      A very Knick-like outcome.

      Face it. They played hard last night and deserved a win. At some point some of these tight losses will go their way. This team knows how to play offense. Even a slight defensive improvement could mean they finish strongly.
      I know that isn’t what people want, but it’s not crazy.

    22. Hubert

      Thanks. I see he is projected after the top 10. I was curious if you thought this was a potential Kawhi Leonard situation where a stud player is being overlooked.

      Interesting note on Porzingis. I’m sure I’ve missed some lively debate on that one. His hype has certainly outpaced his production by a lot, but I remain very optimistic.

    23. the don nelson era

      We have such a soft schedule, I don’t see how we get into the top 5 without some ping pong love. That win vs. Philly was tough.

    24. Frank O.

      I usually agree with Jowles on any number of things, but I think he’s wrong on KP.
      Too quick to judge. He’s a kid with extraordinary skills still growing into his body.
      He’s shown absolute brilliance at times.
      He has classic young player problems:
      Body not fully grown;
      Too many tick-tac fouls;
      Prone to emotional swings;
      affected by his surroundings; and
      over-settling on the outside jumper.
      And he doesn’t have a guard that helps him.

      He’s going to be great.

    25. Hubert

      With the coming schedule, the Knicks conceivably could go on a run, perhaps winning as many as 8 of 11 games. Knicks could be 32-38 in short order
      The schedule favors them winning more games.

      Ten out of 13 on the road. OK, one of those road games is in Brooklyn, but one of the home games is v Golden State.

      I am thinking 3-10 is possible. Gotta get off to a good (i.e. bad) start against Orlando and Philly.

    26. mase

      towns is v good but kp is bad… what a joke.
      how many games have the timberwolves won, and they have a pg!?!

    27. Ambrosenyk

      I don’t like the “X player would be so much better if he had a good PG to play with” argument.

      That being said, I think outright calling KP bad is hyperbole; I just don’t see a guaranteed star with his production. Seems like a decent, charismatic player and not much else up until now.

    28. Hubert

      if I look at the whole remaining schedule of 22 games, 16 are winnable

      But, on the bright side, 22 are losable :)

      Soft schedule or not, we suck.

    29. Accidentank 2017

      Porzingis is a bad rebounder for the position and therefore WP48 hates him. It’s really that simple. Porzingis needs to be a better rebounder and he needs to foul less. He also needs more dunks. Porzingis right now is not a productive NBA player and that is for a multitude of reasons, but I know he will get it together and be the impact player we know he can be.

    30. mase

      its a dumb argument but in this case it holds true that kp playing with rubio would be a major increase in his production. h’s stuck trying to figure out how to play ‘hero ball’ instead of getting wide open looks and finishes.

      having a facilitator makes all the difference in the nba. phil has truly failed kp in this regard.

    31. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      Porzingis is a bad rebounder for the position and therefore WP48 hates him. It’s really that simple. Porzingis needs to be a better rebounder and he needs to foul less. He also needs more dunks. Porzingis right now is not a productive NBA player and that is for a multitude of reasons, but I know he will get it together and be the impact player we know he can be.

      Yes, all of the above. But right now? Not good. He’s still young, but I’m not sure that you can teach a guy to become a good rebounder, especially when he spends a lot of offensive possessions parking on the perimeter and waiting for one of his ball-hog teammates to not pass the ball to him.

      I’m sure he’d be more productive next to someone with good court vision like Ray Felton, but getting a pass-friendly PG is a bit of a stretch for this team.

      Too quick to judge. He’s a kid with extraordinary skills still growing into his body.

      He could be good someday, of course, but he has not been good. That’s all I’m saying. I also think that Russell will be a much better player in 3-4 years, and that Towns will someday win an MVP if he lands with a competent organization after MIN. But today? Not good.

    32. Ambrosenyk

      KP taking horrible turnaround jumpshots is not Phil’s fault. A player of his “alleged” caliber should recognize inefficient offense and he has yet to do so. To be clear, I still see his ceiling as an above average player, but we’re at the point where his flaws have become glaring.

    33. the don nelson era

      Even with his injury hardships this year, KP has improved his offensive efficiency despite the presence of Derrick Rose and a more selfish Melo.

      I don’t really know how much the organization will hinder his development (it’s hard to imagine the current regime’s roster construction tendencies helping him) but it seems like there’s still plenty of room for cautious optimism.

    34. Bruno Almeida

      Im fine with Porzingis to be honest, he’s very skilled and has 2 more years to figure it out.
      worst case scenario: he never does, team interaction is overrated and he’s just a bad rebounder and mediocre shooter who defends decently: give him a medium sized extension or let him leave / trade him.
      best case scenario: team interaction matters some, he figures out how to foul less and playing closer to the basket without black hole teammates helps his rebounding and efficiency a lot, sign him to a max extension.

      most probable scenario is he’s a .560 ts% guy who’s a decent rebounder and shot blocker as he gets stronger and smarter and he becomes a valuable 2nd or 3rd piece, probably a bit overpaid for his overall production… might be more valuable in the right team / situation in the future.

    35. DRed

      It’s a bit too soon to hand out grades on the 2015 draft.

      Kristaps is 7’3″, can play defense and he’s shooting 38% on his 3 pointers. He’s definitely been overrated on his production, but let’s not close the book on his before his age 22 season.

    36. Totes McGoats

      RE: KP
      I won’t argue that at this point he is a tad overrated. He has the size, athleticism, and skillset to be elite. The question is where is he mentally? Remember, he’s still very young and impressionable. The current environment doesn’t help him in that regard, though he does seem mentally tough enough to push through. But..he’s a kid. The only kid our Knicks have had success with is Patrick Ewing. Times were different then, and the locker room was better equipped to support a growing neophyte. Ewing also was a RUFF RYDA ;) who had that requisite dogged mentality to bust ass.

      Our locker room and leadership is a bit sucky right now, which is bad because there is now plenty of youth there. Everybody that I consider to be in leadership positions aren’t doing a great job leading. Rose is the point guard, but he doesn’t interact or encourage. He’s a hired gun not a floor general. Phil is pullin some high school antics at the top. Hornacek, who may be a good leader, is kinda handcuffed by Phil’s demand that he runs what he wants him to run. Hard to lead the troops if the troops see that you can’t be your own man. Melo is doing a better job than all of them, which doesn’t really say much. I do appreciate his grace, focus, and willingness to try to guide the youngins. KP may be doomed, but what do you do? Trade him and start the cycle again with another talented, impressionable youngster? We desperately need him to develop, and he doesn’t have the best examples in front of him right now

    37. Frank O.

      He could be good someday, of course, but he has not been good. That’s all I’m saying. I also think that Russell will be a much better player in 3-4 years, and that Towns will someday win an MVP if he lands with a competent organization after MIN. But today? Not good.

      Jowles,
      Fair comments.
      I think also the Achilles heel thing has been more problematic than the Knicks were letting on.
      He’s like a lot of players who think injured they are still better than the guys coming off the bench…and as a result their individual performance/stats suffer.

      Russell and Towns have bodies that are more advanced.

      I think comparing KP to Giannis in his second year is instructive. IN some regards, KP is ahead of Giannis in development.
      Comparable TS% and eFG%. Comparable rebounds/36. KP better from the line. Far better from 3 pt.
      Giannis was more effective from short range. KP with better PER, Giannis has better WS/48 .117 to .102.

      Giannis needed to adjust to his body as well. He’s all world now.

    38. JK47

      Porzingis came into the league as a raw 20-year old who was expected to take a while to develop, and he surprised in his rookie season by holding his own in 2000 minutes. He rebounded better than expected (9.3 TRB/36) and at times looked like a difference maker on defense. So far, so good.

      You’d expect a player like that to develop in his sophomore season, but Porzingis has not developed much. His rebounding has declined precipitously, and his hot start scoring the ball has dissipated greatly. Porzingis came roaring out of the gate, with a .598 TS% and .564 eFG% in his first 18 games. Since then? He has a .517 TS% and .476 eFG% from game 19 on.

      In short, he has been butt for much of this season.

    39. thenoblefacehumper

      If Porzingis had last years’ rebounding (glad we traded Robin Lopez for Derrick fucking Rose) with this years’ shooting efficiency this conversation would be a lot different. Obviously that’s a very rudimentary way of looking at things and there’s no way of knowing if he’s capable of doing both, but that seems like the blueprint going forward. I’m also sympathetic to the argument that the roster this year seemed tailored to make sure he developed as little as possible, but we’ll never know how much that does or doesn’t matter. We definitely should not operate under the assumption that he’ll be a franchise saving superstar, which makes getting a good draft pick this year even more important.

      Every morning I go to the NBA Standings on ESPN, click on league, then sort in reverse order.

      We picked up two spots last night. Top 4 is in within our grasp.

      If that god damn buzzer beat against Philly rimmed out we’d be tied for 5th! It’s such a tight tankathon race this year, every loss matters and all wins are bad.

    40. mase

      crazy talk here.

      putting a core of vets around KP at age 21 was bad, ‘win-now’ mentality and now we ‘re questioning his development.
      basically, instead of developing him its “save our franchise, second coming of jesus”… and you guys are criticizing him and saying hes regressed to be a rotation player.
      gimme a break.

    41. DavidCorperial

      Don’t forget guys that Kristaps is one of the best rim defenders in the league. That is something that he is elite at and doesn’t get talked about enough.

    42. Frank O.

      Porzingis came roaring out of the gate, with a .598 TS% and .564 eFG% in his first 18 games. Since then? He has a .517 TS% and .476 eFG% from game 19 on.

      I really think this declined due to injury. But that’s a guess

    43. Accidentank 2017

      I’m 100% with Jowles. I think Porzingis is the real tank commander and that’s perfect because he should be playing a ton of minutes. Playing Kyle O’Quinn instead of Kristaps Porzingis is not a good way to tank. Porzingis’ poor rebounding at the position makes up for Hernangomez’s stellar rebounding efforts and allows the tank to flourish.

      Next year if we pick up Rubio and keep both of Lee and O’Quinn we can be really good. I think we’re in a really good position to get ahead going forward, especially if we trade Melo (a 3 team trade where Melo goes to Cleveland, Love goes to Minnesota, and we get Rubio and Minnesota’s 1st would be a grand slam) and find a way to not sign Tyreke Evans to a max deal. A group of Rubio, Lee, O’Quinn, 2 1st round picks, and Hernangomez could make things a lot easier for Porzingis. And even if Porzingis never develops into a double digit rebounder, putting good defenders and great positional rebounders around him will bring out the strength in his game. Porzingis should really develop into a high usage/efficiency scorer, an average rebounder, and a roamer in the paint on defense. Right now he’s a player not strong enough to dominate on either end and ends up with high foul totals because Derrick Rose can’t stop a nosebleed and Porzingis ends up having to contest too many attempts at the rim.

    44. Frank O.

      I believe KP will settle at a 10 rebounds/36 guy.
      He’s going to get stronger, and he won’t be hanging on the 3 pt line all the time.

    45. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      basically, instead of developing him its “save our franchise, second coming of jesus”… and you guys are criticizing him and saying hes regressed to be a rotation player.

      But he has regressed to be a bad rotation player.

      We can play the Frank game (not Frank O.) and be like:

      It’s possible that Porzingis becomes a plus rebounder and makes an All-NBA team.

      It’s possible that Porzingis turns into Dirk 2.0 and starts putting up >.600 TS% seasons on high volume.

      It’s possible that Porzingis was just injured this year and next year he’ll resume his development toward MVP-level play.

      But we can look his actual production this year and call it “bad.” He has played badly. There is no way around it, whether you look at PER (he’s basically the same as last year!) or WS48 (he’s basically the same as last year!) or VORP (he’s basically the same as last year!) or BPM (he’s basically the same as last year!) or WP48 (holy shit why is our “future MVP” 7’3″ forward rebounding more like Bargnani?).

      actual production =/= future production

    46. JK47

      I do think that this has been a lost year for Porzingis, and that he’s better than this. The one thing Porzingis has learned playing in this offense with Rose and Melo is that you better force some shots up if you wanna get your pointzz. Maximizing Porzingis’ talents on offense has not been a priority at all. I’m actually pretty “meh” towards Hornacek as a head coach. Developing Porzingis was his #1 job, and he hasn’t put the kid in much of a position to succeed. I also think the nagging injuries and the inexplicable policy of rushing KP back from those injuries hasn’t helped much either.

      KP has gone from being a great prospect to a classic sophomore slump case. I think he’ll get back on track, but that is far from a guarantee.

    47. Bruno Almeida

      I agree that it’s fine to criticize KP’s production while still remaining hopeful for the future, because there are reasons to be hopeful for once with the Knicks.

      on the futurology part, I think he’ll be fine, I think he needs the circus around him to go, Derrick, Melo, all the bullshit, and for the team to focus on developing him.

      if he were playing for the Spurs he’d be a backup for two seasons and would “inexplicably” become a star in his third or fourth year.

    48. SJK

      @51, I totally agree. The most disappointing/frustrating thing this season has been the franchise’s inability to understand that Porzingis’s future growth should be the hands-down number 1 priority. Stop rushing him back from injuries, stop forcing him to stand in the corner while Rose dribbles head down into three guys in the paint.

      If it were up to me, I’d sit KP down, explain to him that this team is hurting him as a player and that I’m afraid of him developing bad habits, and then sit him the rest of the year.

    49. thenoblefacehumper

      On Earth 2, we’re still pretty bad but the Grant-Porzingis pick and roll has everyone hopeful for the future.

    50. mase

      @52
      if he we’re on the spurs he would be being groomed to be a lengthy kwahi -lite…instead of here where he is the savior while playing along crappy, narcissitic, overpaid “super stars”

    51. Ambrosenyk

      For everyone defending KP (some arguments valid, some not so much), take a look at David Lee’s metrics in his second year v KP’s second year.

      Lee – TS% .652 / WS per 48 .191 / BPM 3.8 / VORP 2.5
      KP – TS% .549 / WS per 48 .101 / BPM 0.0 / VORP 0.8

      Completely random comparison, yes, but the narratives attached to both players is what makes this interesting. Lee was considered the stopgap guy before we got a “real” star like Amar’e Stoudemire. KP is allegedly a future superstar. Let the numbers speak for themselves..

    52. er

      if I look at the whole remaining schedule of 22 games, 16 are winnable. There are a few loses in there where the Knicks would be swept by teams, 4-0 – hard to do – that

      This is the point I was trying to make last night. If the Knicks play as hard as they play last night the tank may go up in flames in the last few weeks of the season

    53. er

      Re: KP I agree he’s been bad. I think the leg injuries are a big part of it. He came out so hot. So there is hope for next year. I think it’s bs that people blame his poor play on other players. He has looked flat out soft plenty of times. That isn’t derrick Rose’s fault.

      I do agree he needs a facilitator but he also needs to develop a low post game. He’s 7’3 for gods sake

    54. Frank

      Re: KP – it’s hard to know how much his lack of development is due to the “he’s just not that good” factor vs. things that he is less responsible for.

      For instance, he only uses about 15% of his possessions as a roll man out of PNR, or about 2.9x per game – compare that to Anthony Davis, who uses 25% of his possessions as a roll man or about 6.7x per game. His best play right now is probably off PNP, but he doesn’t have guards that get him the ball in the right place or at the right time. Mike Breen must be so sick of saying “and Porzingis is just wide open!” while Rose goes around a KP pick and drives into traffic. And even when the ball is actually thrown to him, it’s often too late (when the defense has had time to recover). On top of that he seems allergic to shooting the 3 off the PNP — that is a coaching thing as opposed to a KP ability thing.

      I mean seriously – KP could/should be a very dangerous PNP player, but somehow he uses the same % of his possessions in the post, where he is obviously not ready/strong enough to be even marginally efficient from there (he is in the 22nd percentile). That’s coaching and triangle.

      He has tons of offensive ability, but it feels like it’s being used all wrong. 25+% of his possessions should be off PNR/PNP, 5% or less on post-ups, and only against guys much smaller than him. He is not ready to iso anyone unless it’s like Frank Kaminsky. And he should be running off screens a lot – he has great footwork and is just really good at it.

      He should add 1-2 pieces to his offensive arsenal per off-season — like this year, develop a baby jump hook and 1 counter-move, and don’t worry about all the dribbling and crossovers.

      The coaches should tell him to stick to the offensive pieces that he has reasonable efficiency doing — even if that means his usage drops from 24 to 18. Kawhi didn’t have a usage of 24+ until his 5th season. Better guard play would go a long way too.

    55. Z-man

      Seriously, I think calling KP “bad” is a stretch. He’s playing to a very “average” WS48 and and above-average PER at age 21. He definitely has a “motor” issue this year, seems gassed more often than not, and that is concerning. That said, he’s very similar to the player Dirk was at that age:

      http://bkref.com/tiny/Va9tw

      KP was the better rebounder and shot-blocker, worse passer.

      Dirk is the most compelling comparison, so I say it’s still too early to tell. Check back when he’s 24.

    56. Zanzibar

      I’d just like to mention that KP leads league in important stat: BRef nicknames/minutes played. (Zinger, KP6, Unicorn, Godzingis, Porzingod). I just hope the next one isn’t KPlumlee.

    57. mase

      @58

      alleged future ‘superstar’…everyone who’s calling him that are the same people who think melo is a superstar. i would go so far as to argue the idea of a ‘superstar’ is an outmoded concept, thats an argument for another day.

      he is still a player you dont trade for anyone but another young player. if you proposed a KAT for KP swap, the jury would be out IMHO… 50/50 split on opinion across the board even though KAT is the more developed player.

    58. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Yeah KP has been pretty much a league average player this season–which is exactly what he was last season.

      I’m holding out hope that he turns it around next year (he’s still the prospect from that draft that is going to take the most time to develop despite being ahead of schedule) but it’s clear that he’s not a guaranteed superstar like Towns or Jokic (who are already superstars.) This makes getting a good draft pick this year and next absolutely *essential* to the future of this team.

    59. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      Dirk is the most compelling comparison, so I say it’s still too early to tell. Check back when he’s 24.

      At 23, the Knicks have to decide whether to make him the designated player and extend him through his age 28 season at 25% of the cap (as it’s unlikely he hits the 30% provision). That is troublesome.

    60. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      he is still a player you dont trade for anyone but another young player. if you proposed a KAT for KP swap, the jury would be out IMHO… 50/50 split on opinion across the board even though KAT is the more developed player.

      I’m guessing you’re a person who would be in the “keep Porzingis camp,” and for that, you’d be very wrong.

      Would you trade Porzingis for Jokic right now?

    61. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I’d trade KP and our first this year for Jokic without blinking

    62. JK47

      The whole coaching/management scenario of this team is a complete fucking mess.

      We’re playing the Triangle, we’re not playing the Triangle, we are playing the Triangle. Hornacek is the coach, Rambis is the defensive coordinator. The defense still sucks ass 60 games into the season, and Rambis is still the defensive coordinator. The GM makes ZERO personnel moves and mainly busies himself by throwing Twitter shade.

      I like Jeff Hornacek personally, as a human being. He seems like a truly decent guy. In the right circumstances with the right personnel he could probably succeed. I don’t know whether it’s Phil’s meddling or the insistence of supreme toady Kurt Rambis lurking around or the selfish play of Rose and Melo or what it is, but this team was playing a more coherent brand of ball last year under Fisher. This year’s team is a disorganized mess.

      Fire Phil and start over.

    63. Frank O.

      or everyone defending KP (some arguments valid, some not so much), take a look at David Lee’s metrics in his second year v KP’s second year.

      Lee – TS% .652 / WS per 48 .191 / BPM 3.8 / VORP 2.5
      KP – TS% .549 / WS per 48 .101 / BPM 0.0 / VORP 0.8

      Completely random comparison, yes, but the narratives attached to both players is what makes this interesting. Lee was considered the stopgap guy before we got a “real” star like Amar’e Stoudemire. KP is allegedly a future superstar. Let the numbers speak for themselves..

      I think this is crap. Lee doesn’t have KP’s physical gifts, or range.
      First, KP’s usage was twice that of lee’s in year two. KP has played in almost as many games so far as Lee did that entire season. KP takes twice as many shots as Lee did in year two.

      I still think year two Giannis is the best comparative. Giannis has special physical traits, as does KP.

    64. the don nelson era

      Never forget James Dolan extended Isiah by multiple years because the team occupied the #8 spot in March, after Anucha Sanders filed suit and just before the team went into a tailspin to finish out the year.

    65. Frank

      KP vs. Jokic is not a tough call this moment but is a tougher call for the future.

      As great as Jokic is on offense, he is equally awful on defense- literally the worst rim protector in the league with a DFG% of 59 whereas KP is 6th in the league at 44%.

      Jokic is also currently playing in an offense that is basically built around him and what he does well (which is everything), whereas KP is 3rd-4th banana on offense fighting for shots in an ancient/outdated offensive system and is playing out of position on defense (which is partly his fault because of his rebounding deficiency).

      Hard to say. I guess I’d take Jokic going forward but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.

    66. Ambrosenyk

      Again, my intention for posting the Lee – KP comparison was not to make any sweeping statements about which player is better. I posted the numbers to 1) share a friendly reminder that David Lee was a good player for us and 2) highlight how perception can skew the way we value a basketball player. Ofcourse, the skewed view of players won’t be as strong on a objective numerical site like this, but mainstream audiences, analysts, sbnation posters have an issue with valuing players.

    67. Frank

      And re: KP and his max extension – will be interesting to see if he actually goes for the max. The other euro players eligible for max extensions didn’t actually ask for the max — Giannis and Gobert both took less. Giannis took a deal that pays him $25MM per year (about a 10% discount from the max), and Gobert took even a bit less than that. They’re both still huge % of cap, but even a little discount is worth something.

    68. SJK

      Stefan Bondy Verified account? @SBondyNYDN Follow

      The triangle is back and Jeff Hornacek said management will use remaining months to determine which players fit system and which don’t.

      I’m really close to being done. Can we collectively pick a new team? Jazzblogger.net, anyone?

    69. Frank

      Just to finish the thought on Jokic — just like Jowles loves to say that you’re either a good rebounder or you’re not, it’s hard to imagine Jokic learning how to protect the rim or to become nimble enough to be a good PNR defender. You can definitely have an elite offense with Jokic – not sure if you could ever have an elite or even average defense with him as the last line of defense.

      I’m not sure you can have either an elite offense or defense with KP, but at least the physical potential is there on offense, and he has already shown himself to be an elite rim protector. It is true the rebounding will probably never get significantly better. But it’s easier to find a good rebounding partner than an elite rim protecting partner.

    70. nicos

      I think that a big chunk of Kp’s issues are physical- both seasons his activity level has declined as the season has gone on. If he can get to the point where he can maintain his early season activity level throughout an entire season he’ll be a very good player even if he doesn’t develop a low post game. While I don’t doubt his work ethic, I do wonder if he’s ever going to be able to stand up to the physical nature of the game.

    71. mase

      @77

      the perception of d. lee at the time was a ‘workpail’ stat stuffer who we all liked and wanted to keep but salary was the issue if i remember correctly…but that is exactly what he turned out to be considering his renaissance in s.a., so how is the fanbase player perception skewed?

    72. Frank

      I’m really close to being done. Can we collectively pick a new team? Jazzblogger.net, anyone?

      I’m low-key thinking about following the Nets at least as a secondary team to root for. I like what Sean Marks is doing there. Love Kenny Atkinson.

    73. Igno-Bot 3000

      I’m really close to being done. Can we collectively pick a new team? Jazzblogger.net, anyone?

      Honestly the NBA is way too fun these days to waste any more time on this team

    74. er

      I would take KP because of his defense. Jokic is a superior player but he is also a true 5(KP isn’t yet)

      KP needs to work on his passing and his post game. I think he can get there

    75. Bruno Almeida

      which players fit the triangle… holy shit, this might low-key be the worst news so far after the deadline.

      it pretty much cements the fact that Jennings was waived for “resisting the triangle” and the Rosen piece is pretty much Phil’s philosophy for this team.

      yeah, I have zero optimism right now… if this is the philosophical approach he’ll take to the draft, the only hope we’ve had is pretty much gone.

    76. Bruno Almeida

      I’m already seeing the Knicks get an improbable top 5 pick and using it on Monk because he’s a SG who can go 1v1 in the triangle.

    77. DRed

      Triangle schmiangle-how about getting some good basketball players and then worrying about the fucking system.

    78. Frank

      is Phil trying to get fired (or opted-out)?

      Gotta figure Melo vs. Phil power struggle hits high gear in June around draft time.

    79. JK47

      I’m really close to being done. Can we collectively pick a new team? Jazzblogger.net, anyone?

      I’m just here for the lulz at this point. As long as Phil Jackson is running this team we’re in basketball purgatory, so I might as well enjoy some gallows humor and laugh at his myriad failures.

      More triangle! Great! This will be hilarious. I have two more years of fail that I get to rage-snark at. Wheee! As I’ve said many times, the Knicks are impossible to enjoy as a regular basketball team. You have to enjoy them as a bizarro team, and revel in the fact that they do everything possible to ensure perpetual mediocrity. The Knicks are enjoyable as farce and tragicomedy.

    80. JK47

      I love that the conclusion Phil made from this season is that it failed because the team didn’t play enough Triangle. Next season when it fails again it will be because today’s young whippersnappers are just too damn dumb to play the Triangle.

      If he was an NFL coach he’d be playing “three yards and cloud of dust” and wondering why he’s always getting his ass kicked. If he was a baseball manager he’d bunt all the time.

    81. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Jokic isn’t a great defender but he’s not awful despite his rim protection numbers (defensive tracking stats and especially fg% near the rim are notoriously noisy as well…)–he has a positive DBPM and doesn’t get lost so much as he has issues with lateral movement in the PNR due to his comparative lack of athleticism. It’s true that KP will likely always be significantly better on defense than him. I just think that KPs ceiling is slightly lower than what Jokic is currently at–a top 5-10 player in the NBA. Can’t imagine him being any better than that.

      Also this triangle stuff is absolutely nuts

    82. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      So is it worse to be a Knicks fan or an American citizen in the era of God-Emperor Trump?

    83. thenamestsam

      I love that the conclusion Phil made from this season is that it failed because the team didn’t play enough Triangle. Next season when it fails again it will be because today’s young whippersnappers are just too damn dumb to play the Triangle.

      Since Day 1 here Phil has made it pretty clear that it is his sincere belief that the triangle is basically the basketball holy grail. If you do it correctly you will win. Therefore if we’re not winning (and we’re not) the only logical conclusion is that its because we’re not traingle-ing correctly. We’ve seen these exact same stories emerge every year when the team goes through a rough patch, and its what eventually got Fish fired.

      Phil not only doesn’t realize the team he put together isn’t talented enough to win, he’s not even smart enough to realize that’s the question he needs to be asking. That’s why this is a big deal, not because the triangle can’t work in the modern NBA (though I think its an open question).

    84. Farfa

      It’s pretty much unbelievable how much Phil has been terrible this year. He didn’t get anything right, and he still doesn’t understand that the system is not the problem.

      If Dolan was a guy who really cared for the team, he’d fire him as soon as he could.

    85. JK47

      Phil is closed-minded, petty and egocentric, and the game of basketball has passed him by. And he is going to get his ass kicked as long as he continues to run this team.

      He just doesn’t get it. Sucks for us.

    86. Farfa

      BTW, I was completely aghast at Wally’s commentary. This is a guy who a) doesn’t understand basketball or b) is too much worried about his salary.

    87. er

      @102 it’s because we are spoiled in NY. He’s a run of the mill color guy around the rest of the league

    88. Philmelo

      @58

      What? David Lee was 23 his sophomore year, KP is 21. Jesus, if you’re going to make a comparison at least make a fair one.

    89. Hubert

      Guys, this triangle thing is the best news we’ve had in a while. Accidental tank just got a shot in the arm. We might even start seeing Sasha Vujevic again.

    90. Frank

      I can only hope that Hornacek is going along with this for the tank, and not because he really wants to run the Triangle.

    91. wetbandit

      I really don’t buy the assumption that advanced stats are player-specific and not situation-specific. There are plenty of big men who have had their WS48/TS numbers bump up after a trade/addition of a good passing PG. (DeAndre/Blake with CP3, Gortat/Morris with Wall, Aldridge/West with Parker, at first glaces. Checked out of curiosity– Dirk did just as well with Kidd, but then again he was Dirk fucking Nowitzki at 30 years old)

      Do we really think it is more likely that KP isn’t good or is it more likely that the regressed numbers are due to being used poorly on offense, parked on the 3 so can’t dunk/put-back/rebound, disgusting drama everywhere, new teammates, new teammates that suck, not being passed to when open, schemes where he is fed the ball 15′ away, having to deal with guards penetrating at will, then fouling too much because of that, leaving man open because had to help with the penetrating guard, etc., etc.

      COME ON! And as for Jokic—– give me a big man who can defend at a great level (KP is doing that!), rather than an offensive big, and I’d be more likely to win a game. A big who only defends is always > a big who only shoots. And KAT>KP.

    92. the don nelson era

      Am I crazy or are our big offseason acquisitions particularly unsuited to running the Triangle? Noah can’t shoot, Rose can’t shoot or think. Phil is so defective.

    93. the don nelson era

      If you want to learn to enjoy Wally, tune into a Cavs game and listen to Austin Carr for 5 minutes.

    94. JK47

      Phil’s perception of the Triangle as be-all end-all causes him to make terrible roster moves. He didn’t see Carmelo as a flawed and limited player, he saw a guy who was “talented” but just needed triangulization. He didn’t see a broken down and hobbled Joakim Noah, he saw a guy who would be a great player because he can pass out of the pinch post.

      He has a completely unrealistic view of what the triangle can achieve. He seems to think the triangle made Jordan and Kobe and Shaq and Pippen great. He’s wrong. It was the other way around.

    95. Bruno Almeida

      @111

      I think this is spot on.

      He truly, genuinely believes that he was the main reason why they won all those titles, and all his stars had to do was to have faith and be willing to learn.

      Also, I will love to watch the mainstream media trying to explain why the Pelicans still suck.

    96. Bruno Almeida

      @114

      well, just shows how stupid they really are… and thank god Holiday is staying in New Orleans unless they decide to fuck up their roster even more.

    97. the don nelson era

      I think this is just proof of how stupid the Knicks are to think they’ll have a chance at Jrue. That’s apart from the fact they’re supposedly a toxic FA destination. Even if they go scorched earth on the roster, they’re 3 million dollars short of his max contract and they definitely need to outbid other teams to land him.

      I bet this time last year, Phil and Mills were looking at the upcoming free agent list for this summer and had Westbrook pencilled into the lineup.

    98. Philmelo

      @118

      Phil thinking a ball dominant guard like Westbrook would want to then sign here to play for years in a Triangle offense is laughable to me. If that’s true he really doesn’t get it…

    99. Frank

      Phil thinking a ball dominant guard like Westbrook would want to then sign here to play for years in a Triangle offense is laughable to me. If that’s true he really doesn’t get it…

      lol – they may not want to play in the Triangle period, but the Triangle has worked out ok for a couple ball-dominant guards. I think their names were something like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan?

      Re: Jrue Holiday – I now agree with noblefacehumper and others that we are in no place to be offering a huge contract to Holiday and expecting it to work out, even though I think he is a good 2-way PG.

      That said – I think if we dump Rose we will have something like 21-22MM in cap space. If we stretch-waive Noah, that opens up another $10MM more. So we could get to max $. Even short of stretch waiving Noah, my guess is we could trade KOQ and Kuz without much of a problem if just to clear cap.

      Re: Jrue wanting to leave NOP — supposedly pretty much every one of DMC’s teammates have hated playing with him. So that might be a reason he would consider leaving.

    100. Philmelo

      I think their names were something like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan?

      Its odd you present Kobe as an counterexample to my point. He famously fought with Phil throughout his career on this very issue and you can bet that if he had the choice back then as a FA coming into LA, he probably wouldn’t have gone there for this reason.

      Second, even Jordan never had Westrbook’s insane 41.7 USG% in his career. Westrbook is on a whole other plane.

    101. yellowboy90

      I had a horrible vision of N.O. trying to fill out their roster by S&T Holiday to the knicks in a 3-way deal for Rubio, Lee, and more cap relief.

    102. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      COME ON! And as for Jokic—– give me a big man who can defend at a great level (KP is doing that!), rather than an offensive big, and I’d be more likely to win a game. A big who only defends is always > a big who only shoots. And KAT>KP.

      lol clueless

    103. wetbandit

      Ok Cock, remember this- Jokic will never be a top player in this league solely due to his horrendous defense.

    104. Bruno Almeida

      @120

      I laughed so hard watching this, my goodness… it’s getting to the point where Fultz is getting drafted for sure ahead of Ball because of his family lol.

    105. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      Ok Cock, remember this- Jokic will never be a top player in this league solely due to his horrendous defense.

      he already is

    106. thenoblefacehumper

      One of the reasons I liked the Hornacek hire is because he has made it very clear throughout his coaching career that he is a believer in analytics. Take a look at this interview with Zach Lowe in 2013:

      You guys were either no. 1 or no. 2 in midrange jumpers, and fell way below the league’s average in 3-point attempts. Do you want to change that?

      Oh, yeah. We gotta get rid of that long 2. I’m not opposed to the middle jumper, in that 15- or 16-foot range. I think all but two teams that were in the playoffs, their effective field goal percentages were above 51 percent. If you can shoot 15-footers and shoot 52 percent, OK, you’re beating the average. You can’t totally discount those shots.

      Especially as defenses get better, sometimes they are the only open shots you can get. You’re not getting a corner 3 or a dunk every time down against the Pacers.

      Right. We’ll take a look at it all. But the ones we have to eliminate are the ones that are within 4 or 5 feet of the 3-point line. Those are low-percentage shots worth two points.

      It’s very difficult for me to believe this guy is now some hardcore triangle zealot like his boss. I guess he’s just doing what he’s told and we’re pretty much fucked until Phil is gone and Dolan hires the next big name retread savior.

    107. Bruno Almeida

      Jokic will never be a top player in this league solely due to his horrendous defense.

      It kinda maybe worked fine for one german dude called Dirk Nowitzki.

      Jokic is an incredible player… you can like KP more than you like him, but straight up denying that he’s a great player is completely delusional, the stats and the eye-test even agree on this case.

    108. er

      @120

      I laughed so hard watching this, my goodness… it’s getting to the point where Fultz is getting drafted for sure ahead of Ball because of his family lol.

      I think this one is the worst tho. Hes only 15, and hes a complete ass already. Lonzo seems way more grounded

    109. thenoblefacehumper

      Jokic vs Porzingis is pretty simple. Jokic is already producing at a superstar level. We hope Porzingis can do that one day. They’re the same age. Anyone taking Porzingis over him is just being delusional.

    110. MSA

      Jokic will never be a top player in this league solely due to his horrendous defense

      There are so many example of elite player that were bad defenders.

      Harden, Dirk, Nash, Barkley just to name a few.

    111. MSA

      I think this one is the worst tho. Hes only 15, and hes a complete ass already. Lonzo seems way more grounded

      An even bigger ass is their father.

      That dude must shut up ASAP.

    112. Sir Robin

      Things KP does well:
      – Rim protect
      – Run the floor
      – Shooting, especially 3s
      – Dunk
      – Compete
      KP has bad FOOTWORK, which is at the root of all the things he does poorly:
      – Rebounding (he can’t always just jump to rebound-Rodman was a great position player (and also a pogostick leaper, but more importantly a great position player).
      Low post defense
      – Picks
      – Dribbling
      – Passing
      – his sometimes inconsistent shooting
      – Conditioning-more on this later
      KP needs a big man to coach him on offense and on defense.
      Low post offense:
      – DON’T put the ball on the floor
      – Receive the ball back to basket; keep your arms up and then turn to the basket
      – Learn to set proper picks
      Low post defense:
      – Take a better defensive stance-his feet should be placed wider on the floor
      – Shouldn’t cross his feet (how often do you see a short player drive around him)
      – Don’t jump into players
      He is being utilized horribly:
      – He is not a 3- he is a 4 – may someday be a 5.
      – On offense he is obviously being told to just run to the 3 point line. Sometimes he moves well without the ball, but they just want him to shoot if open or pass. His dribbling into smaller players is comical.
      – On defense, he is not being utilized properly either. He should not be on the perimeter; he should be matched against 4s or 5s exclusively.
      In sum, KP is a young player with great potential to whom the Knicks to date have done a great disservice. His coaches and teammates seem to have given him little direction or assistance. He will not get better magically or mysteriously, but with the proper training. I hope he gets that.

    113. Bruno Almeida

      @133

      oh yeah, I don’t think Lonzo is a head case at all, but his father… damn, he just cannot shut up, and it’s clearly rubbing off on the youngest ones.

    114. the don nelson era

      The Knicks won’t be drafting him anyway, but does his representation even matter when the kid’s just gonna sign for the rookie scale?

      The dad’s gonna spout off either way, agent or not.

    115. bockadoo

      The Knicks are no closer to having an organization with a sound philosophy since Riley left. Just directionless patchwork crap over and over. To contrast, as amazing as it may be, my NY Metsies now have quality pitching throughout the organization with position players coming too. They will be very good for a long time Alderson has done an amazing job turning them around. He is light years ahead at his job than Phil is at his.

    116. Bruno Almeida

      LaVar did say he didn’t want to be an agent, but that he wanted his kid to enter the NBA with his own brand already, the triple B whatever he keeps talking about…

      I’m getting a Michael Jackson’s father vibe from this dude.

    117. dtrickey

      I can’t recall where I read it, but wasn’t Hornacek trying to tee up workouts with Karl Malone for KP over summer? Gotta think a summer in the gym with the Mailman can only do wonders for KP’s game. Also a long shot, but considering our young bigs, I wouldn’t mind seeing them try bring back Ewing in some capacity. Absolute long shot, but he has received some decent praise from the work he has done with bigs (e.g. Dwight Howard).

    118. domiknick

      @kc1nyk?
      Report: #Timberwolves had wanted #Knicks SF-PF Mindaugas Kuzminskas in addition to PG Derrick Rose in PG Ricky Rubio talks.

      I like Kuzzzz as much as the next guy but if this is really what held up that deal…man…

    119. Cock Jowles, All-In on Miles Bridges

      edit: nevermind, Lavar Ball seems to be in love with his kids’ performance, not express dissatisfaction

    120. Accidentank 2017

      We should definitely be adding Ricky Rubio in the off season, especially if Minnesota is willing to give him up for peanuts. I’m not too worried about letting Rubio pick up meaningless wins for another organization as he is destined to play here next season.

      The only thing I’m really about with the off season is the cap space Phil Jackson will inevitably screw up. Hopefully Phil’s triangles and Dolan’s Trump support will keep us from signing anybody.

    121. ClashFan

      How long before Cousins’s act wears thin in NO? Or, has it already?
      :-)
      Not sure what to make of the triangle news today. As DRed said, I don’t care. Let’s just get some better players here and commit to a real rebuild…

    122. JK47

      The latest triangle shit really is hilarious.

      They’re gonna be heading into year four of this thing and they still haven’t made it work. Apparently it’s the most complicated fucking thing ever devised, and then on top of it Phil brings in like ten new players every season so they have to start from scratch every year.

      Nobody can coach it and barely anybody can play it, and for damn sure nobody actually WANTS to coach it or play it. It’s like we can’t play normal fucking basketball, we have to resurrect this ancient extinct mystical Jedi basketball religion to prove that Phil was right all along and that the Triangle is the most magical form of basketball ever played.

      Maybe it’s not worth it? Maybe the downsides of the Triangle outweigh its upsides in 2017. Maybe it’s time to try something else?

      How’s it goink?

    123. Sir Robin

      @144. Dtrickey, I agree. Mailman may deliver the goods to KP. May even instill a work ethic as well, which seems sorely lacking in the organization.

    124. Bruno Almeida

      It’s just Phil’s most recent ego trip when he realized that his players will be remembered and credited more for the titles than him…

      I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual reason he accepted the Knicks job was because of this, to try to prove that him, and the mystical triangle, were responsible for the wins and not the players.

      it sounds so stupid that it might just be true, because Knicks.

    125. Totes McGoats

      So wait…Jennings asks to be traded or bought out so he could play more, but then signs to be John Wall’s backup? PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA! Alot of playin time behind that guy..

      Should’ve gone to Toronto or Cleveland had Phil cut him loose soon enough. OKC has a need.

    126. er

      KD got hurt tonight….hyper-extended knee. Heres a A super weird stat:

      KD and Carmelo have only played each other 13 times. Mind you they were in the same division from 2007-2011. That’s 16 matchups between the teams right there. They have only played 2 times since Melo has been a Knick. One of the two is always hurt when the teams match up. Its suuuuper weird. lol

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&hint=Kevin+Durant&player_id1_select=Kevin+Durant&player_id1=duranke01&hint=Carmelo+Anthony&player_id2_select=Carmelo+Anthony&player_id2=anthoca01

    127. thenoblefacehumper

      I think Jennings wanting more playing time was just Wally’s spin. He didn’t want to be on a shitty, toxic team.

      Willy unlikely for tomorrow. We’ll be trotting out, like, two above average players. Your move, Orlando.

    128. Accidentank 2017

      Phil Jackson and Melo need to go. Rubio and a 1st round pick need to stay.

      Best case scenario for the front office is what happened in Toronto where the coach stayed but Masai Ujiri came in and built a powerhouse. The most likely scenario is Phil Jackson stays and further ruins the Knicks with terrible signings and more tweets.

    129. Accidentank 2017

      No Willy doesn’t help too much. That means O’Quinn plays heavy minutes against his former team.

    130. DRed

      I think Jennings just wanted to go to a better team. He’s a free agent on team getting kicked off national TV because they’re so boring.

    131. DRed

      Like, if we got a bunch of good players and put them in the triangle I bet the team would be a lot better. But the triangle or lack of triangle isn’t the reason this team sucks at defense.

    132. Bruno Almeida

      I mean, Jennings is 27, it’s not like he’s Deron Williams chasing rings at whatever cost.

      he probably just wanted to leave the Knicks because he realized the situation was ridiculous and he was losing whatever prospective value he would have in this offseason… with Washington he’s certainly going to play at the very least one, more probably two playoff series and showcase himself with a good team for potential suitors… it makes a lot of sense to choose Washington, which desperately needs a backup, instead of going to the Raptors, Cavs or Thunder to play 5 minutes per game.

    133. Bruno Almeida

      it does make a lot of sense for Hill, even if Utah is a perfect spot for him.

      when he’s been healthy he has produced at borderline star level and he’s still young enough to get max offers in the summer… if Utah wasn’t going to offer him the max, because they are concerned with Hayward’s extension, it makes a lot of sense for Hill to keep his options open in a market that’s going to be very poor in terms of good PGs in free agency. Curry, Paul and Lowry are re-signing probably, and after that it’s Hill, then Teague and Holiday and a gigantic drop off right after to Collison, Rose and Patty Mills.

      According to the cbs report the Spurs are also going to be looking for an upgrade at PG, which would be an even better fit for Hill than Utah.

    134. dtrickey

      According to the cbs report the Spurs are also going to be looking for an upgrade at PG, which would be an even better fit for Hill than Utah.

      Pop was a massive George Hill fan too back when he was with the Spurs.

    135. Bruno Almeida

      it didn’t look super ugly from what I’ve seen… Warriors said it was a hyperextended left knee, no more news until the MRI.

    136. Brian Cronin

      The extension stuff really doesn’t matter because the Jazz were literally hampered by the rules which say that they can offer him a lot more in July than they could now. So while it could mean that Hill will leave the Jazz, it doesn’t have to be that. There’s basically little to no reason for him to take an extension now when the Jazz could offer him so much more in July (on top of perhaps the open market driving up his salary).

    137. Brian Cronin

      Aw, poor Calderon. He’s getting cut by the Warriors before he even actually signed. Matt Barnes is going to take his place after Calderon will technically be signed (as they promised they would sign him) but then waived right away. With Durant’s injury, wing help was more important for the Warriors.

    138. Brian Cronin

      it didn’t look super ugly from what I’ve seen… Warriors said it was a hyperextended left knee, no more news until the MRI.

      Woj is reporting that the Warriors think it is more serious than initially expected. Yeesh.

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